A good amount of 50LB class fish were caught in Delaware Bay the Last two weeks, more than previous years... We Landed this 53.9lber in a tourney this past week.... Water was well into the 60's. Thursday felt like summer....

Nice Fish! Road trip!!!

yoyo :uhuh:

Thats where they are....

I just hope most of those fish are getting released for the good of the fishery :uhuh:.
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I just hope most of those fish are getting released for the good of the fishery :uhuh:.
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Yeah right
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i am in!


Nice Fish! Road trip!!!
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Nice fish CowHunter

The bunker bite is totally on down in the Delaware Bay....

Unlike past years where we moved a boat down there for the fall we are keeping both of them up here in Margate and just "jumping on" with a few friends... but they have been mugging them up.

This is a pic of a friend and family with a 58.29#....54" length, 32" girth. The angler is the young lady on the far right...13 years old, and the new Junior World Record Holder if all goes right !

But as happy as she is, I think it's Dad that is smiling the most!

http://www.sportfishermen.com/board/members/ladyangler-albums-off-hook-stripers-fall-2010-picture6877-58-29-lb-striped-bass-weighed-13-yr-old-juliana-merighi-aboard-her-fathers-boat-partnership-54-incher-32-girth-caught-while-chunking-fresh-bunker-lower-del-bay-sunday-october-24.jpg

I just hope most of those fish are getting released for the good of the fishery :uhuh:.
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You really think people that only post here to show pictures of themselves and their friends holding big fish they caught on bait are releasing them?

now thats some fish-porn !!
:drool:

I just hope most of those fish are getting released for the good of the fishery :uhuh:.
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They were all released into coolers, but hey at least they were caught recreationally. There were dozens of 50's caught in the last two weeks, the boys down there are all enjoying a banner year, they are not complaining that the fishery is dead, for them its been getting better the last few years...

You really think people that only post here to show pictures of themselves and their friends holding big fish they caught on bait are releasing them?

I really don't think it makes a difference if these fish were caught on bait or a plugs, boat or surf, regardless it was their last meal. In return some happy guys are eating some good striped bass with their families!

Yeah right
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Second that.

Almost time for the annual winter slaughter!

I'll be posting daily updates all winter.

Actually, they are enjoying a heaping helping of toxins and carcinogens with their families sharpie.

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Nice report, Ken. I'm jealous. Hey, if I was down there, I would be out fishing for them, with pogies, and keeping some. But that is me. And I am now on the north shore of Boston with no fish around......:smash:

While I feel Ken posts pics here to antagonize,he always has an audience to lead with their chin.Sheeple like woody,who most likely eat crap every day that they can't even pronounce are ripe for the picking.
Well done Ken, never got a chance to congratulate you at the Cup party but you and your team put a whuppin on the field.Woody might serve the stripers and those who illegally abuse the right granted to fish them if he took a road trip to Rudee Inlet and saw the redneck carnage that goes on over the fence.

I really don't think it makes a difference if these fish were caught on bait or a plugs, boat or surf, regardless it was their last meal. In return some happy guys are eating some good striped bass with their families!

Yeah, the bait part of my comment was the main point.

They were all released into coolers, but hey at least they were caught recreationally. There were dozens of 50's caught in the last two weeks, the boys down there are all enjoying a banner year, they are not complaining that the fishery is dead, for them its been getting better the last few years...

The Delaware Bay fishery really seems to be in good shape. I'm convinced the fall D-Bay fish are the Delaware River spawning stock, which doesn't seem to have nearly the amount of problems with disease and lack of spawning success that the Chesapeake fishery does, which is remarkable when you see what those fish have to swim past in order to reproduce.

While I feel Ken posts pics here to antagonize,he always has an audience to lead with their chin.Sheeple like woody,who most likely eat crap every day that they can't even pronounce are ripe for the picking. Well done Ken, never got a chance to congratulate you at the Cup party but you and your team put a whuppin on the field.Woody might serve the stripers and those who illegally abuse the right granted to fish them if he took a road trip to Rudee Inlet and saw the redneck carnage that goes on over the fence.

Say what?:confused:

:lurk: Let winter begin!:rotf2:

Nice fish, the fall migration is on!

Hey Kenny, when ya gonna start sending some of them large back into the sea bro? I've killed alot of large myself over the years, but looking back I know it aint healthy for the stocks man. You dont need any more fanny patting brother, everyone knows ya catch em :)

A good amount of 50LB class fish were caught in Delaware Bay the Last two weeks, more than previous years... We Landed this 53.9lber in a tourney this past week.... Water was well into the 60's. Thursday felt like summer....

Awesome fish for both captain and angler once again. :buds:

Hey Kenny, when ya gonna start sending some of them large back into the sea bro? I've killed alot of large myself over the years, but looking back I know it aint healthy for the stocks man. You dont need any more fanny patting brother, everyone knows ya catch em :)

Sorry bud.. That fish was worth over 6K.. If I have a choice over killing a 50LB fish which is near the end of her life expectancy range anyway or 6k, Thats a no Brainer.. I let way more fish go than I catch..

http://www.fishasa.com/tournaments/utsch's10_results.htm

And Yes I plan on killing more for this one for a shot at 100K plus

http://milliondollarrockfishchallenge.com/

Beats bitchin about those that catch em over the winter... Its looking to be a warm winter this year, alot of fish down south will be inside three miles well into 2011...

keeping all these big fish is irresponsible. plain and simple

keeping all these big fish is irresponsible. plain and simple

How big do you think these fish get? How many fish were recorded over 54" inches?? Al McReynolds fish was just that 54"... Just like humans, they reach a certain age and die... We all are aware of the class of fish that are prime spawners.. it Aint 50+lb fish... Besides, If I let it go it Gives JohnnyD a long shot in catching it one day, (Same as winning the lottery), and we dont want that! :-)))

keeping all these big fish is irresponsible. plain and simple

Each fisherman is entitled to their opinion. If cowhunter catches monsters, and decides to keep them that is his choice, and right.
How can someone be irresponsible when they are abiding by the rules in place ? If anything, try to change the rules, IMHO.

How can someone be irresponsible when they are abiding by the rules in place ?

interesting question

interesting question

HOLY SH!T!!!!
No word of a lie, I think that pic might be my younger sister!!!!!
Go Girl, Go.

HOLY SH!T!!!!
No word of a lie, I think that pic might be my younger sister!!!!!
Go Girl, Go.


In Israel? :rotf2:

It is not the killing of big fish that is hurting the stocks. As Ken pointed out, they are past the prime breeding time. It is the 2, 28" fish that is killing the stocks. Day in and day out.

The 32 to 38" fish are the prime breeders. All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs and in fact most of the eggs the females of that size, 40 to 50#, carry are sterile.

Let's stop this bitchin' about killing big fish. There are enough guys on this board that kill 30 to 40" fish every night that shouldn't be casting stones. Put back the mid size fish and let them become elderly. Why do you think there are not 50s caught everyday. Because some jamoke took home 2, 28" fish 10 times this year so he could be a DUDE and brag to his neighbors.

I get a a real kick out of some of the people who release 2 or 3 fish and think they are conservationist.

...All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs....

I've been searching for info on this and can't find anything. Where did you learn this?

I agree that it's the constant killing of 30"-40" fish that is the issue. I have to scratch my head when I see all these guys who fish hard and frequently constantly taking fish. Just b/c the law says it's OK doesn't mean it's the most responsible thing to do.


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All the big fish have past the time of carrying viable eggs and in fact most of the eggs the females of that size, 40 to 50#, carry are sterile.



Can you link to literature that supports this statement? I would like to read it. Thanks


Redlite- Cute sister... and she can party :buds:

[QUOTE=zimmy;808665]Can you link to literature that supports this statement? I would like to read it. Thanks

Zimmy and Woody, I will try to find the article. I read it a few years ago but I also have heard theories that contradict my statement.
But it does make sense when you think about it.

What species, including humans, have females that are fertile at the end of their life cycle? None. No women 70 or 80 years old getting pregnant. No dogs, cats, elephants, lions or tigers or apes or bears nearing the end of their years are having babies.

It would make no common sense that Stripers would be the lone anomoly on this entire planet that allowed the female of the species to remain highly fertile at the end of their life.

Piemma, you are wrong, and you are too smart a man and too good a fisherman to pass on such error.

Fish are not mammals.
Their fecundity increases with size/age. Here is an article on sea bass (there are similar studies on striped bass) Maturity, ovarian cycle, fecundity, and age-specific parturition of black rockfish | Fishery Bulletin | Find Articles at BNET (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDG/is_3_102/ai_n6237275/) . It only takes a moment to read the abstract and learn something.

Large bass breed at a different time of the spring than smaller bass, which increases the odds of a successful breeding year (since spawning success is in part weather dependent).

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class.

If, like cowhunter, you want to legally kill large striped bass for whatever reason, go right ahead...it is your own business and, under current law, your right.

It is, however, long past time to drop the rationalization about large fish not being important breeders. It is a delusion people use to fool themselves that they are not hurting the fishery AND OTHER FISHERMEN when they kill these fish.

Fishing legally is not the same as fishing responsibly.

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class. George, i know for a fact that this happens with clams.have seen many areas were there are a few chowders and cherries and in following years the same areas are paved with clams.though this hasn't happened very often in recent years.that statement also makes me wonder why people think that taking less fish will do anything to help the stocks.my focus would be on why aren't the fish we have aren't reproducing at a greater rate.is it because we are killing the big fish or envoirmental factors.

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It would make no common sense that Stripers would be the lone anomoly on this entire planet that allowed the female of the species to remain highly fertile at the end of their life.

Eels and Salmon to start. Eels are beleived to breed into their 30's.

It seems weird to chastise cowhunter for keeping large fish, because many folks here are involved in the stiper cup, including myself. If any 50 lb fish was to be caught during the cup, it is most surely going to die.
Throwing stones seems slightly hypocritical, imho.
Are we any less responsible when we kill large fish for our own clubs ?

Way to go Kenny and congrat's to the young lady angler and dad!!

People generally dislike winners.Yankees,Celtics,Patriots etc.Kenny has proven year after year he is capable of catching and killing large fish and relishes putting it in your face.I have a feeling this need will diminish with maturity.The guy who taught me the most about fishing for bass is an equally accomplished angler who makes it a point to never "pose".Self promotion is not for everybody but Ken has it mastered,no doubt the consumate "poser".I thought DaveS made a great post where he was able to feed Ken's ego and tell him to knock it off at the same time.Some day it will sink in,but until then he will bend over for more fanny patting.He seems to need it and no doubt enjoy it.Perhaps someday he will become an angler who the fishing community respects like Rockfish9 who has gained it by quietly respecting his fishery.

It seems weird to chastise cowhunter for keeping large fish, because many folks here are involved in the stiper cup, including myself. If any 50 lb fish was to be caught during the cup, it is most surely going to die.
Throwing stones seems slightly hypocritical, imho.
Are we any less responsible when we kill large fish for our own clubs ?

Cow Hunter is under the gun here because he makes his living off of a public resource, one that he appears to have little respect for. That and the fact that he enjoys showing off his kills.

Not everyone kills fish for their clubs or tournaments. Every year I fish multiple tourneys with my club, but I have absolutely NO intention of weighing in a big bass. If I were to catch a fish over 20lbs. it would go back. I don't kill. Period. Case in point- I had 2 new PBs over 42" in 1/2 hour last month. I spent upwards of 15 minutes reviving and releasing each one, rather than tossing them in the rocks and gunning for more.

As for the Striper Cup, I have posted my views here before, and suffice it to say, I find their insistance on running a kill only tournament to be irresponsible and self serving. In fact, I no longer subscribe to that periodical due to their stance on this issue.

Piemma, you are wrong, and you are too smart a man and too good a fisherman to pass on such error.

Fish are not mammals.
Their fecundity increases with size/age. Here is an article on sea bass (there are similar studies on striped bass) Maturity, ovarian cycle, fecundity, and age-specific parturition of black rockfish | Fishery Bulletin | Find Articles at BNET (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDG/is_3_102/ai_n6237275/) . It only takes a moment to read the abstract and learn something.

Large bass breed at a different time of the spring than smaller bass, which increases the odds of a successful breeding year (since spawning success is in part weather dependent).

Genetic studies suggest that many good year classes are actually the result of a small number (a few hundred) fish that happened to hit it right. Wipe out a single pre-spawning school of fish and we may wipe out an entire year class.

If, like cowhunter, you want to legally kill large striped bass for whatever reason, go right ahead...it is your own business and, under current law, your right.

It is, however, long past time to drop the rationalization about large fish not being important breeders. It is a delusion people use to fool themselves that they are not hurting the fishery AND OTHER FISHERMEN when they kill these fish.

Fishing legally is not the same as fishing responsibly.


Keep in mind guys that bass can live to be 30 years, which underscores the importance of the largest breeders in the population.

Fish over 40" should be off limits to everyone. If you catch one bigger, get her measurements and have a fiberglass replica made.

Striper Cup is not a kill only tournament. Just sayin'.

Striper Cup is not a kill only tournament. Just sayin'.

Tell me more Larry.

They have a catch and release program in place for people who enter fish in the tourney? Do some research.....check their website for details. Furthermore in their defense they have made numerous changes in their tournament to promote catch and release and to keep the mortality rate for the tournament low. Keep in mind many of the fish that do get entered would more than likely have been kept by their catcher regardless of the tournament.

My mistake they are for pounder pins only on the C and R.

• CATCH & RELEASE -Fish caught and released by registered participants can be entered for pounder pins only. Catch-and-release affidavits will be available at weigh stations and provided online as a downloadable PDF. Fish should be weighed on a handheld scale or measured for length and girth and converted to pounds using the formula (Girth x Girth x Length / 800). Catch-and-release fish are not eligible for prizes, club points, or trophies. Catch-and-release fish do not count against your one fish per week limit and can be submitted for fish caught outside of a participant’s registered division.

You can get a pin for practicing C&R.:banano:

You asked and many would like a pin to mark a personal accomplishment.....might not mean that much to you Woody but it does to others.....and if they can do that and release the fish whats wrong with that??

winning team is stiil dead fish, sold for profit. let's have it be C&R. Who's winning then?

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:

Not everyone kills fish for their clubs or tournaments. Every year I fish multiple tourneys with my club, but I have absolutely NO intention of weighing in a big bass. If I were to catch a fish over 20lbs. it would go back. I don't kill. Period. Case in point- I had 2 new PBs over 42" in 1/2 hour last month. I spent upwards of 15 minutes reviving and releasing each one, rather than tossing them in the rocks and gunning for more.

As for the Striper Cup, I have posted my views here before, and suffice it to say, I find their insistance on running a kill only tournament to be irresponsible and self serving. In fact, I no longer subscribe to that periodical due to their stance on this issue.

Woody - You seem to be a big advocate of C&R from your post. You admit to catching fish. Is it fair for me to say anyone who uses plugs is irresponsible because the treble hooks RIP THE FACES OFF of these beautiful fish we all seem to respect. Even a single hook can gut hook a fish RIPPING ITS STOMACH OUT OF ITS MOUTH. Can I go further to say that if someone cares so much about the fish why not give up fishing for them and devote more time to preservation of the species.

It took 15 minutes to revive each fish??? You played that fish too long and are using too light of tackle - are you irresponsible. Sending off a poor, tired fish like that can be worse than what Kenny is doing as that fish might not make it, and it probably died anyway. Your fish could have ended up dying as you over stressed that fish - it never will contribute to the gene pool. So at least Ken fed his someone with his fish.

With "PBs" of 42", it sounds like you're keeping track of numbers too? Thats competitive as well.

Also - you own fishing gear. Think of all those nasty epoxies, chemicals and other stuff that goes into the products you buy. Have you ever used a bathroom with a septic tank near the ocean. Thanks for contributing to nitrification of our beloved esturaries, slowly sufficating the baitfish that support these striped bass.

Have you ever thought about it from that perspective???

Cow Hunter is under the gun here because he makes his living off of a public resource, one that he appears to have little respect for. That and the fact that he enjoys showing off his kills.

And what do you do for work??? Can you honestly say you've never hurt a resource to put money in your pocket?

Kenny is an accomplished angler that catches large fish.......there is no denying that
keep in mind that he is also a charter captain........so did you guys ever think that every time he is posting large that are caught....they may be the clients choice to kill the fish..he could be just putting them on the fish.....the same way corsetti did it

everyone has their own opinions....don't get me wrong....but what he is doing is legal

in my eyes....with what you guys are saying he is posing or bragging....he is also marketing him and his charter business very well......therefore more clients.....theefore making more money doing something he loves to do


smart man kenny :)

he also gets on TV fishing shows that help promote his business


I'm pretty sure, the more we fish, the more we learn
and some of us change our decisions about things like tournaments and catch and release, and some of us don't appear to try too hard to sway others to their opinions since it a personal choice while others we be outspoken about it.

I like what Bob Pond had to say, something like a striped bass is too important of a fish to be caught only once.

But I also respect others choices to keep cows either for money of fame or food or whatever reason as long as it's legal. I know if I paid big money for a charter and I got a 50 and wanted to keep it, I certainly would.

5 years from now, I don't think as many guys will be giving pats on the back to the cow killers. We are on a downward trend and until everyone wakes up, it's only going to get worse
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And what do you do for work??? Can you honestly say you've never hurt a resource to put money in your pocket?


I'll address both your posts in this one.

In decades of fishing I have never ripped the face off a bass. If my plug hooks them badly I cut off the hook rather than pull it. And on the very rare occasions that I have fished eels I have used circle hooks.

As for my gear being too light... I fish a Lami 1201M with a ZB 25 and 50lb. Braid. My drag is set at 12lbs.. I fought those fish for no more than 5 minutes each. The fish were stressed by the warm water, so I took as much time as they needed to swim off strongly.

And no, I haven't raped a resource to put food on the table or green in my pocket. I'm a teacher.

As for that other crap. LOL.
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Ditto
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How can anybody fish for decades and have a PB of 42"?
I hope you teach better than you learn.
Teachers must do well to fish with ZB's.
Larry tried to explain it was not a kill only tournament and provided information stating such at your request.You seemed unimpressed by his efforts, yet still admit you fish tournaments with your club.Are these tournaments strictly C&R?If not,how does your conscience justify participation?How do you justify fishing eels when they are in a state of decline?
Keep in mind I am not criticizing any angler who is conservation minded unless they are hypocrites.I will also add that picking a scab on the internet will never accomplish anything besides a well worn debate.This passion you have for bass would serve them better at a regional level.Thank You.

And no, I haven't raped a resource to put food on the table or green in my pocket. I'm a teacher.

As for that other crap. LOL.
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You were just crying about conservation of the species, then you're saying the other stuff I pointed out is crap. You even "LOL" it. You bust on Kenny, but you're attitude is far worse as you think you aren't negatively impacting anything.

I don't care what you do for work - the stuff you us to conduct class and live on a day to day basis is slowly killing the environment too. Paper, printers, electronics, inks, dyes - its all contributing to the problem. I'm sure you're living in a modern style home, everything you furnish it with. Its all just a very small percentage, that all adds up in the end. Pat yourself on the back, you're a steward to the environment over here, while the manufacturing of the fishing gear you use is creating a nasty byproduct somehwere else. And whereever that is ( you don't care by the attitude of your post), it may be discharged into a water body. This won't hurt anything though, its 3,000 miles away across the ocean. We'll never see the effects of it over here.

You'll read this and laugh, thinking i'm crazy, but put it in perspective man. Just by you getting geared up to go fishing you're contributing to the problem as well. Yeah its a small percentage so you don't see a problem with that, and god forbid you stop fishing. You're the harmless catch and release guy. Seems like that is the same attitude you've come to hate.

Cow Hunter is under the gun here because he makes his living off of a public resource, one that he appears to have little respect for. That and the fact that he enjoys showing off his kills.

Not everyone kills fish for their clubs or tournaments. Every year I fish multiple tourneys with my club, but I have absolutely NO intention of weighing in a big bass. If I were to catch a fish over 20lbs. it would go back. I don't kill. Period. Case in point- I had 2 new PBs over 42" in 1/2 hour last month. I spent upwards of 15 minutes reviving and releasing each one, rather than tossing them in the rocks and gunning for more.

As for the Striper Cup, I have posted my views here before, and suffice it to say, I find their insistance on running a kill only tournament to be irresponsible and self serving. In fact, I no longer subscribe to that periodical due to their stance on this issue.

So, I have no respect for a public resource like striped bass because I kill a percentage every year as do MOST recreational and Commercial Anglers... People like you will never understand the fishery and thank God for that! All you know is what you read about and not what you have learned from experience. You dont need to say anymore, you fish tourneys but you dont have any intention of weighing a striped bass, (Makes Sense). Congrats on your decades of fishing to finally catch 2 42"ers (Personal Best).. You are decades away from a 30+lb fish unless they put a full moratorium in effect for the next 20 years! You dont like the striper Cup, Dont fish it, plain and simple and let those that fish it enjoy the tourney, (Im sure your view would be different if you had a shot)... You will never understand anyway. Glad your so educated on toxins in fish... Do you even know how they get the readings they do???? They take the ENTIRE fish and grind it up and test the samples... Im sure that you know where all these "Toxins" will be... Ill give you a hint, the least amount will be in the white fillet meat! Think They are grossly overstated? I know the type you are, more concerned about what everybody else is doing than what you yourself are because you know whats best for everyone. Dont judge others unless you want to be judged too... You are behind the curb a few decades...

Tight Lines Mr 12LB Drag... (Im sure it will be tight!)

They take the ENTIRE fish and grind it up and test the samples... Im sure that you know where all these "Toxins" will be... Ill give you a hint, the least amount will be in the white fillet meat! Think They are grossly overstated?



I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

You guys who judge others really are a hoot! You try to espouse your beliefs on others and believe they should do as you do because you yourself think your way is the right way!! Well as far as I am concerned I only judge those who do not act within the bounds of the law!!! As long as other folks do that I have no problem with them no matter what I believe to be "Right" as I personally believe! If someone wants to take a fish or 2 fish a day......I may not agree with 2 fish a day but its the law!! If they choose to take a large (What some of you refer to as "breeders".........and eventually are not many of them breeders?) then that also is their choice under the law! So step down off your friggin' high horses and pulpits people and let others be!!! Everytime someone posts a pic of a nice fish they chose to keep some ass-hole has something negative to say about it!!! If you don't have something good to say then close your pie hole!!! Cowhunter is right....people need to pay more attention to what "THEY" do and less attention to what other folks are doing!! Police yourself, practice catch and release if thats what you choose if it works for you........stop bashing others if they choose to keep a fish as long as they do it within the law then shut your pie hole and move on!!! Geeeeeeeeezzzzzzzz!:wall:

You asked and many would like a pin to mark a personal accomplishment.....might not mean that much to you Woody but it does to others.....and if they can do that and release the fish whats wrong with that??

I didn't say anything is wrong with it Larry. I just don't see how the SC can be considered a C&R contest if the C&R entries are not elilgible for prizes. Pins are nice, but they aren't really contest prizes. If one wants a shot at the goodies they have no choice but to kill fish.

Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?

Sorry if I disrespected you, as one of those guys implies, by not giving a gushy thank you for the info.. I appreciate it.

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Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?
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Everyone who signs up and shows up at striperfest has a shot at a boat whether or not they even weigh a fish in.

How can anybody fish for decades and have a PB of 42"?
I hope you teach better than you learn.
Teachers must do well to fish with ZB's.
Larry tried to explain it was not a kill only tournament and provided information stating such at your request.You seemed unimpressed by his efforts, yet still admit you fish tournaments with your club.Are these tournaments strictly C&R?If not,how does your conscience justify participation?How do you justify fishing eels when they are in a state of decline?
Keep in mind I am not criticizing any angler who is conservation minded unless they are hypocrites.I will also add that picking a scab on the internet will never accomplish anything besides a well worn debate.This passion you have for bass would serve them better at a regional level.Thank You.

Not a hardcore angler SD. I've been fising my whole life, but not as a psycho. Just an enthusiast. About 3 years ago I got into surf casting for bass. Sorry if my PB doesn't match someone else's, but it's still my best, and I'm not ashamed of that. Oh, it was a 45" fish I took that same morning as the 42" you guys have glommed onto. And the tourneys I have fished are just club tourneys like the MS challenge. I do it to support a good cause, and for the social aspects of it, not to kill fish and be a cool guy. And as I said, it is on rare, very rare, occasions that I fish eels. Why? Because I dont' fish to catch, I fish for the satisfaction of being out there in the surf. Catching is a bonus.

As for my profession and the reel I fish, that's silly. I work hard and do extra to buy the things I enjoy.

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

I didn't say anything is wrong with it Larry. I just don't see how the SC can be considered a C&R contest if the C&R entries are not elilgible for prizes. Pins are nice, but they aren't really contest prizes. If one wants a shot at the goodies they have no choice but to kill fish.

Couldn't they do a prize raffle for the C&R folks? If you submit an entry for a C&R then your name goes into a raffle for a decent prize. I think more folks would release if they could still have a shot at the truck or boat. No?

Sorry if I disrespected you, as one of those guys implies, by not giving a gushy thank you for the info.. I appreciate it.

No disrespect John at all.......I also think that is a great idea you have and if you contact OTW and present it to them I bet they will agree! Its worth a shot and if it helps save more fish I am for that!:)

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

Who is going to vote for Sarah in '12?

Enjoy fishing Woody,it is a great way to recreate outdoors. It is obvious you do it on your own terms and enjoy as well as respect the resource.That is as much your right as it is Kenny's to do it on his terms.The bashing gets tedious to some just as Kenny posting corpses of cows does.Although some folks may think too much is never enough when it comes to self-promotion as Jim Sylvester points out,but I can't help but think threads like these would be detrimental to a business. Ken has won numerous ASA tournaments not to mention being featured on television and publications for all to see his prowess in catching large.There should be enough information to fill plenty of web space or promotional fliers.The insatiable void is his ego.

You guys are right. I get carried away on my high horse at times.

I should leave the guys alone who obey the law, even if they may not be acting as responsibly as I would like.


At least we got some good news about the commercial quota NOT being raised!
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Hopefully something we all can agree on is trying to stop illegal striped bass fishing in the EEZ Zone.,

Ken posted last winter of boats running into the EEZ zone down south with impunity--no enforcement by the Coast Guard or anyone else. Illegal is Illegal. Continued fishing by hundreds of boats in the winter in the EEZ will do much more to beat down stocks than taking a rare 50.

By the way- Woody is the nicest guy you could ever meet, is a beloved member of our Club and whatever he says is based on his love for striped bass and his fairly recent getting into surfcasting. Rob

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.

WOODY FOR PRESIDENT

:hee:

LI was on fire yesterday

Guys relax, lets save the finger pointing till aaaaafter the moratorium.
Ok you pillow biting pickle smootcher :hihi:
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There was a 51 lber caught under the GW bridge the other day in the Hudson river. :)

I could sure use a good spot burn thread about now......

absolutely killing the tog around R32 south of the pigs. obviously not this week!

I think Mr. Cowhunter does some of his best fishing right here on this site. He obviously has the correct bait. Come on spring.

In Israel? :rotf2:

that was the name of the photographer "Israel Leal" of the AP. It is redlite sister for sure :devil2:

On a side note :biglaugh: I would like to add that I didn't get in on this thread to bash the picture posters for killing large, although I did get involved in the side discussion because it is interesting and important to me.

That said, in my opinion if someone makes these posts to get people worked up, more power to em.

If guys get worked up in response, than they should get a break too. Especially since they are concerned with their favorite activity maybe getting destroyed.

One might say that the detractors should start there own thread, but if the reaction is part of why cowhunter is doing it, then what better forum is there? (I am not sure if that is why he made this post... just repeating what I read here)

As far as it's legal so don't comment... I call bs on that (I can make analogies, but they isn't necessary ). Ok... just one... it is legal to marry your cousin in WV at age 13... doesn't make it right :yak5:

I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples?? Let me guess, they catch the fish, (on a plug with barbless hooks), cut a small sample,(where it doesnt hurt the fish), patch her up, and spend 15-20 min reviving the happy fish to let her go in the wild so somebody else can catch and release it!??? I never did say that 50+" NEVER Spawn...

Who is going to vote for Sarah in '12?

:yak5::yak5::yak5::yak5: my eyes:eek:

Enjoy fishing Woody,it is a great way to recreate outdoors. It is obvious you do it on your own terms and enjoy as well as respect the resource.That is as much your right as it is Kenny's to do it on his terms.The bashing gets tedious to some just as Kenny posting corpses of cows does.Although some folks may think too much is never enough when it comes to self-promotion as Jim Sylvester points out,but I can't help but think threads like these would be detrimental to a business. Ken has won numerous ASA tournaments not to mention being featured on television and publications for all to see his prowess in catching large.There should be enough information to fill plenty of web space or promotional fliers.The insatiable void is his ego.


Wow you seem to know so much about me?? Funny you dont preach that crap to your buddies that kill 50's because they keep killing, and they fish tourney's as do You, and they write articles, and they have done tv shows, and so on... If you caught a 50 you would be the FIRST one snapping pictures and running to the scales with it, how proud were you of the 40.25 you weighed in for the cup last year???You had a boat this year... 50's should have been jumping all in it!!! Had a bad season I take it? Expenses high? Dont even know ur backyard...Not easy when the fish arent stacked and you have to put some EFFORT in it... Your buddies catch a 50 and we all hear about it within hours so stop kidding yourself. Ive seen how you attacked other fishermen / surfcasters on here in the past, its what you do. Thanks for the lesson in business. I guess Business is really bad for me, all I get is meathunters and cowkillers calling, where are the C&R guys? Im so damn tired of filleting. Should of never sold the small boat! Enjoy the winter behind the computer! I need to find a bigger cooler damn it!

Sorry for getting all up your grill. Like I said, I get all crazy and judgemental at times.

If you wouldn't mind keeping us in the loop, there's a lot of us who would again like to know what's going on with the winter fishery off of VA and NC.

Be safe,
Jon

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples??.

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

I think there is a very distinct difference between fishing legally and fishing responsibly. So what if you're following the law, that doesn't necessarily make what you're doing right. Cowhunter is obviously very proficient at catching large. I think with that comes more responsibility. Pounding away at big fish throughout the whole year can't be good for the fishery. It's just common sense. If you keep removing big fish from the ocean, eventually there won't be any big fish to remove. How many people have been saying that the past few years are showing the same trends as the years leading up to the last crash? These warning signs seem to fall on deaf ears though. The type of mentality that exists up here would never fly down south, say in Florida and look at how their fishery is flourishing...

And BigFish, who are you to call people ass holes and tell them to get off their high horses? You're one of the most opinionated people on here and are constantly bitching and ranting about something. Honestly i'm surprised you don't take more of the conservationist approach seeing as how you couldn't seem to buy a fish over thirty inches this fall...

I was just doing my part for conservation this fall Bart! :rotf2:But seriously its good to hear from my fans! :rotf2:

I stand behind my comments Bart......am I opinionated? Sure am but who on here isn't? At least I have respect for other peoples opinions and other peoples rights to fish as they like as long as its legal and I don't sit on here bashing people for it as others do! Don't ever worry about my fishing Bart......I may go through slumps on occasion.....but I always get mine!:) Hey......have your people call my people.....lets do lunch!:jump1:

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.


What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. I pay attention to every detail. I just talked to him 3 days ago after he weighed and measured my fish for studies. They take the fish in its ENTIRETY and grind it up and then they may take a 1 gram or so sample out of it,, (I did not ask what the exact amount was), I know its not what you want to hear.... how dare they right?
You think everyone just tosses the rack of a bass? Many people, restaurants dont just fillet a fish and toss the rack in the trash. They use every bit of that fish, belly meat? Fish head soup? Smoked cheeks? People even eat the skin...Who are you kidding? You should send them a letter or maybe call them and tell them what you think should be the proper way to obtain these samples.. What parts of the fish they should pick and choose, and where these toxins, pcb's are greatest in a striped bass... Also lecture them that they dont have big enough blenders???

You are SOOOO WRONG

I was just doing my part for conservation this fall Bart! :rotf2:But seriously its good to hear from my fans! :rotf2:

I stand behind my comments Bart......am I opinionated? Sure am but who on here isn't? At least I have respect for other peoples opinions and other peoples rights to fish as they like as long as its legal and I don't sit on here bashing people for it as others do! Don't ever worry about my fishing Bart......I may go through slumps on occasion.....but I always get mine!:) Hey......have your people call my people.....lets do lunch!:jump1:

i'm more of a dinner and drinks type of guy :love:

Too funny Bart!:love: :rotf2:

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. .........blah, blah, blah

You are WRONG

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

I am not a scientist, marine biologist... This is what I was told, this is the process and the best way to get an overall reading. I know youd like to, but you cant go and tell people what parts of the fish, if any they should eat. I am sure they also singled out different parts of the fish to see where the highest levels are that why he said the majority of it is in the head, fat, blood lines of the fish... I trim my fillets and eat the white meat only...

Agian, I NEVER SAID large fish arent an important part of the breeding population... Just like in any animal they have a life span and will eventually die... They are not the PRIME breeders of the species and do not spawn every single year once they reach a certain age...

You know drinking out of plastic bottles may cause cancer too?? Why eat or drink anything? You eat Organic Foods Only???


Wrong? All I did was post a picture and you guys jumped all over me.... You think that gives me more of an incentive to release these fish?

Sorry for getting all up your grill. Like I said, I get all crazy and judgemental at times.

If you wouldn't mind keeping us in the loop, there's a lot of us who would again like to know what's going on with the winter fishery off of VA and NC.

Be safe,
Jon

I wouldn't apologize. He just comes here to get a pat on the back, stir the pot and talk about how the number of stripers killed should be reduced while posting pictures of stripers he killed.

Well, Ken, add another mistake to your list.

I called the MA state Dept of Public health and was connected to the head of the food lab.

State fisheries (ie the DMF) will grind up a whole fish when they want to investigate total toxin burden in the fish for fish biology reasons. This process (and the DMF itself) has NOTHING to do with testing for toxins that are harmful for human consumption.

That testing is done by the state DPH and the FDA. Unless the fish is eaten whole...such as anchovies....the policy is to fillet the fish, homogenize the fillet, and test only the edible flesh.

Now I realize that some people with really big mouths may eat 40lb bass whole, but it is not the standard practice so the DPH and FDA do not test fish that way.

I hope you find this helpful and cease spreading misinformation that will give people a false sense of security when they eat striped bass.

Wow this has got more action than my day time soaps. Mud slinging, name calling, science facts, pictures, more mud slinging, murder victims, food preparation techniques, bragging rights, character assassinations. Could have sworn we went thru this just this spring and last winter or last spring or all three. Going to be a long winter.

You forgot sexual advances Paul! Bart and I were steaming things up a bit!!:love:

You forgot sexual advances Paul! Bart and I were steaming things up a bit!!:love:

lol

Wow you seem to know so much about me?? Funny you dont preach that crap to your buddies that kill 50's because they keep killing, and they fish tourney's as do You, and they write articles, and they have done tv shows, and so on... If you caught a 50 you would be the FIRST one snapping pictures and running to the scales with it, how proud were you of the 40.25 you weighed in for the cup last year???You had a boat this year... 50's should have been jumping all in it!!! Had a bad season I take it? Expenses high? Dont even know ur backyard...Not easy when the fish arent stacked and you have to put some EFFORT in it... Your buddies catch a 50 and we all hear about it within hours so stop kidding yourself. Ive seen how you attacked other fishermen / surfcasters on here in the past, its what you do. Thanks for the lesson in business. I guess Business is really bad for me, all I get is meathunters and cowkillers calling, where are the C&R guys? Im so damn tired of filleting. Should of never sold the small boat! Enjoy the winter behind the computer! I need to find a bigger cooler damn it!

Best season for me to date Ken. I have a lot to learn but got a lot of hours on the new boat.Fluke,sea bass ,cod,haddock,tog,tuna,I even caught a couple bass.Fished with my brother a lot and really enjoyed my time on the water.It's hard without Bruce holding my hand, but I'll get there in time and have fun doing it.Expenses weren't a factor,you know my boat is cheap to run.Nice to hear business is good for you,I know you fish hard.You can use all those clients to catch fish for you to weigh in the tournaments right?Uh,where did I hear THAT?
Take it slow Hollywood.See you in VA Beach.

Wow this has got more action than my day time soaps. Mud slinging, name calling, science facts, pictures, more mud slinging, murder victims, food preparation techniques, bragging rights, character assassinations. Could have sworn we went thru this just this spring and last winter or last spring or all three. Going to be a long winter.


I was kinda thinking that with Law & Order off the air I'd be starving for those plots, but who knew? :rotf2:

I'm trying to chime in on this thread but don't know what to say. I'm like a deer caught in headlights. I like bass.

Best season for me to date Ken. I have a lot to learn but got a lot of hours on the new boat.Fluke,sea bass ,cod,haddock,tog,tuna,I even caught a couple bass.Fished with my brother a lot and really enjoyed my time on the water.It's hard without Bruce holding my hand, but I'll get there in time and have fun doing it.Expenses weren't a factor,you know my boat is cheap to run.Nice to hear business is good for you,I know you fish hard.You can use all those clients to catch fish for you to weigh in the tournaments right?Uh,where did I hear THAT?
Take it slow Hollywood.See you in VA Beach.

:fence::lurk:

Larry's on a tear. We kissed and made up earlier, and now he's working on Bart!

Boy's gonna catch somethin' if he's not careful.
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Nuthin' but hard truth and love for my fellow S-Ber's!:love:

Larry! Your such a slut!
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Larry! Your such a slut!
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lol NAAA hes 36 short of 20k,

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. All i am reading is crying on both sides. Man up were all to blame for the stocks declining.