Way to go I Team !!!!!! Google these people .. They are on Facebook too .. They are trying to close Plymouth Long Beach,where thier summer home is, under the guise of being bird lovers . They sell calenders and ask for tax deductible donations to raise funds to shut down the beach . Only Plymouth Long Beach where there summer home is .

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This foundation is 3 people ,,, San Francisco millionare Cate Muther , her husband Dennis Aftergut,and Scott Heckler who is in report . scammers .. here's the facebook page ..

Welcome to Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Goldenrod-Foundation/148578321846683)

I'm really tweaked over two things by this topic.

One, the seemingly optical rectumitis suffering people that will go through such means to exclude others, and second, the fact that we had a previous topic on this that has gone missing that I cannot find.

If you don't like it, let the taligate hit you in the ass on the way to the airport.

Nice response to them on Facebook, Tagger. They've been trying to do this for about 10 years. Fortunately, it doesn't seem like they've gotten very far with it.

where is Taggers post ......

I wanted to tell them to f themselves & their money ..but there wall leads right to the calender

where is Taggers post ......

I wanted to tell them to f uck themselves & their money ..but there wall leads right to the calender

Discussions ,,, New ideas for facebook post ...

I think if there were no birds left on that beach, that person would still fight to have the access closed off. I'd be willing to bet they are more interested in privacy than helping the bird population (I could be wrong though).

From the sounds of it, they are trying to stick everyone in the :bshake: with "their golden rod"

Disgusting. Everyone should voice their opinions on Tagger's FB post.

I can respect those who fight wholeheartedly for conservation (even though I'm convinced that those fenced-off areas are just coyote buffets. judging by the tracks I've seen), but this is just a sad attempt by a few elitists to keep an entire stretch of land to themselves.

nice back up on facebook Kevin .. Make note that Goldenrod house pristinely located on the point of Long Beach is Tax Exempt .. Yup they pay no taxes ,, another scam of being a non-profit foundation .. Makes you wonder if this is the only case of this ..

If cars shouldn't be allowed on that sandy spit, then houses shouldn't either.. bull doze em and create a wildlife preserve after seizing the land by eminent domain.

Id like to smash his face in. Its pretty sad that the town doesn't have enough money to fight them in court. Unreal.:wall:

We have gone back and forth with them on Facebook. Many of us asked viable questions ie: where are the facts and who are the people that did the studies. Come to find out it is people they paid. They in turn deleted all of our questions and responses and closed the FB page to comments. They are a joke. GOLDENFRAUD!

If cars shouldn't be allowed on that sandy spit, then houses shouldn't either.. bull doze em and create a wildlife preserve after seizing the land by eminent domain.

that's what i was thinking if they actually win and get their way.

F'em

Imagine being so selfish! I got to figure these people are in for a "hot foot" treatment when they pass on into the afterlife!

that's what i was thinking if they actually win and get their way.

F'em


Nahh, they might almost accept that. We want batter and more access, not less and less accessible access.

special arrows come to mind

More like CIA Ed!!!:uhuh:

I think the best approach would be to rat them out to the IRS.They are losing out on a good deal of tax money,and they can afford to go after these #^&#^&#^&#^&ebags.Anyone know an irs agent?

I just joined the anti Goldenrod group .. cost nothing ..

Name and Address | Plymouth Beach For All Coalition (http://www.plymouthbeachforall.com/civicrm/profile/edit?reset=1&gid=1)

I dont want to stir the pot, but do you guys think is is a good thing for the beach?? If this is why people want to keep it open to driving, I would want it closed. I took this off of their facebook page... i am sure they are only using the worst photos that they can find, but does the beach look like this often????

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs909.snc4/72219_158167314221117_148578321846683_260239_42539 17_n.jpg

I dont want to stir the pot, but do you guys think is is a good thing for the beach?? If this is why people want to keep it open to driving, I would want it closed. I took this off of their facebook page... i am sure they are only using the worst photos that they can find, but does the beach look like this often????

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs909.snc4/72219_158167314221117_148578321846683_260239_42539 17_n.jpg

Who cares anyway the beach was there to enjoy before the houses were.

I don't know if it looks like that often Nebe, but I have seen the cape beaches look like that.

supply and demand

apparently the demand for space needed for plovers far outweighs the space allowed for humans.
The law allows us to share the beach, this is what happens.

I want to know if those goldenrod people drive out to their homes(excuse me, I mean research stations) and why aren't the plovers keeping them away too? shouldn't they walk from the lot like we have to out in PTown

I don't know if it looks like that often Nebe, but I have seen the cape beaches look like that.

supply and demand

apparently the demand for space needed for plovers far outweighs the space allowed for humans.
The law allows us to share the beach, this is what happens.

I want to know if those goldenrod people drive out to their homes(excuse me, I mean research stations) and why aren't the plovers keeping them away too? shouldn't they walk from the lot like we have to out in PTown

Sums it up nicely. The ORV buggies are continually conceding access, space, and entire weeks / months to the Plover and people like Goldenrod. Constraints like that help create situations like that image, which Goldenrod will then use to stir up the troops, uhmm, I meant, armies, darn - legions, flock, yeh flocks. They probably don't like the term army, or troops either. (OK so I runneth over a little there).

Nebe that picture was taken way back in the 80's before any beach management plan was in place. As were many of the pictures on their FB page. You will never see that beach looking like that again. That was one of the things we challenged them about. They are spewing lies and pictures like that. The Town, Feds and State all approve of the management plan that is in place and they are running out of money to fight them and the constant appeals.
PBAC(Plymouth Beach For All Coalition) is doing a fantastic job digging up the facts. I urge all of you to visit their Facebook page and learn the "backed up" FACTS. We are waiting on the Judges decision to the latest appeal to come any day now.

Let's Take Back Plymouth's Long Beach | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/PlymouthLongBeach)

everyone needs to join this page

ORV Impacts to Birds and Habitats | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=24048&id=148578321846683&ref=mf)

:smash: Because there are bird footprints in the tracks they're being displaced.

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s

Welcome to Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/PlymouthBeachForAll) PBAC facebook page

Plymouth Beach For All Coalition (PBAC) is the official name of the group fighting for access on Plymouth Beach. The MBBA is helping all we can and standing behind them 100%

Sorry Westportmania I meant to copy the picture not quote you.

Welcome to Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/#!/PlymouthBeachForAll) PBAC facebook page

Plymouth Beach For All Coalition (PBAC) is the official name of the group fighting for access on Plymouth Beach. The MBBA is helping all we can and standing behind them 100%

Sorry Westportmania I meant to copy the picture not quote you.

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Nebe that picture was taken way back in the 80's before any beach management plan was in place. As were many of the pictures on their FB page. You will never see that beach looking like that again. That was one of the things we challenged them about. They are spewing lies and pictures like that. The Town, Feds and State all approve of the management plan that is in place and they are running out of money to fight them and the constant appeals.
PBAC(Plymouth Beach For All Coalition) is doing a fantastic job digging up the facts. I urge all of you to visit their Facebook page and learn the "backed up" FACTS. We are waiting on the Judges decision to the latest appeal to come any day now.

sounds like we can use a judge that will stop granting them appeals :wall:

Plymouth beach for all (except for non-Plymouth residents, unless I am missing something in the orv sticker application. Just sayin.)
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Id like to smash his face in. Its pretty sad that the town doesn't have enough money to fight them in court. Unreal.:wall:

Whoa there! Wait...I agree, punch in the face seems fitting.:uhuh:

Plymouth beach for all (except for non-Plymouth residents, unless I am missing something in the orv sticker application. Just sayin.)
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I don't use this beach .. If this happens there could start a trend evrywhere. If it hasn't already .

Influx that is very true. It is a resident only beach but precedence can steamroll down the coast. What happens in Plymouth can have a huge effect on what happens everywhere. We can not allow people like this to take our access away.
If Goldenfraud wins this battle just think of how many whack jobs will come out of the woodwork and start suing your town and your beach. They have taken enough already.

* Goldenrod wants to shut down the beach to ALL human activity. It is only a resident only beach for a drive on permit. Anyone can walk on. If they get their way nobody will be allowed on that beach.

...and if you think that is bad check out this article. It seems that non-profit organizations do not have to pay the lawyers even when they lose because of the ESA. Essentially we are paying for our own demise. The lawyers win either way.
Environmental Lawsuits Rake in Billions for Lawyers | NowPublic News Coverage (http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/environmental-lawsuits-rake-billions-lawyers)

more like GoldenNIMBYrod foundation, tax exempt part is unbelievable on top of everything else, this situation as far as beach access goes has to be the worst yet, if I was a Plymouth taxpayer this would be the deathmatch:mad:

That beautiful wrap around deck on their "personal" property is brand spanking new. I wonder how much that disturbed the birds while it was being built. They also do not want boats coming near or landing at the point. They say the wake from the boats disturbs the birds. They are out of control NUTS! When confronted they stumble and grasp at straws. They are bigots, they only want people on their side to post on their page. LMAO they recently asked for pictures of shorebirds for a new calendar. I had pics of a bird I rescued from being beat in the surf, taking shelter from the wind against my cooler. They didn't pick mine, must have been the coexistance thing stopping them.

Whoa there! Wait...I agree, punch in the face seems fitting.:uhuh:

Watching his wig fly off would be pretty funny stuff if you ask me. But a guy like this would sue the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of you. Pure scumbag!!!

It has already been established that if these effers get their way,the rest of the state would be inclined to follow along.As a precedent would be set,that noone had the $ to oppose in court.If I was a M#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&(which,I'm glad I'm not):smash:I'd take this very seriously.

Watching his wig fly off would be pretty funny stuff if you ask me. But a guy like this would sue the #^&#^&#^&#^& out of you. Pure scumbag!!!

Hecker is a Duxbury resident but he is not fighting to protect shorebirds in his own hometown. Wonder why? No money in it I guess.

I think the best approach would be to rat them out to the IRS.They are losing out on a good deal of tax money,and they can afford to go after these #^&#^&#^&#^&ebags.Anyone know an irs agent?


The Mass DOR are the people to call and complain to about this fraud..........................

Drive out to Saquish and see what the residents do to the fencing the bird freaks put up. Kindling wood is one their favorites uses.

They are the same type of people that belong to Stripers for Ever. They want everthing for them selves. :)

I am not saying preserving access is not the most important issue shore fishermen face. I hate how hard it is to access many areas. I just find it ironic that the organization is called Plymouth beach for all when it is resident-only for orv permits. We all know that without vehicle access, in particular parking, the beach can be called "public" but that's really pretty disingenuous is only residents are allowed. Just a gripe I have with MA beaches in general. It's only a step away from what these whack jobs want to do, if you think about it. It's all about limiting access.
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I am not saying preserving access is not the most important issue shore fishermen face. I hate how hard it is to access many areas. I just find it ironic that the organization is called Plymouth beach for all when it is resident-only for orv permits. We all know that without vehicle access, in particular parking, the beach can be called "public" but that's really pretty disingenuous is only residents are allowed. Just a gripe I have with MA beaches in general. It's only a step away from what these whack jobs want to do, if you think about it. It's all about limiting access.
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In this case the "FOR ALL" means Shorebirds, Wildlife, Reasearch Workers, Dogs and humans living (or playing) in coexistance. Plymouth beach could not handle the influx of vehicles should it be open to the public. Letting residents only drive the beach is no different than letting "fishermen only" drive the beach and that is what many of them are, especially at night.

The decision came down in favor of Plymouth Beach. PLYMOUTH WON AGAIN. It is not over but this is good news. I will post more when I see something in writing.

The decision came down in favor of Plymouth Beach. PLYMOUTH WON AGAIN. It is not over but this is good news. I will post more when I see something in writing.


:buds:

I've been waiting to hear, rumor mill was something might break by end of last week. Thanks for the update - keep it coming.

yup ..


PLYMOUTH — A long-awaited ruling by an administrative judge has upheld the management plan that allows off-road vehicles on Plymouth Long Beach.

Magistrate David Hoover’s recommended decision, released Tuesday, finds no merit in Goldenrod Foundation’s claims that the use of off-road vehicles on the beach constitutes a “take” of endangered species.

The ruling would maintain the town’s policy of allowing off-road vehicles onto the outer portion of the three-mile beach after protected piping plovers have fledged in early summer.

Goldenrod Foundation challenged the plan, claiming it did not adequately protect the plovers or roseate terns, another protected species.

Hoover heard testimony on Goldenrod’s challenge to the beach management plan last summer. His ruling found the challenge unsupported by meaningful or competent evidence.

The ruling also questions the motives of Goldenrod founder Kate Muther, who owns a private home on the beach and spends part of her summers there.

See the Midweek edition of the Old Colony Memorial for the complete story

Thanks Tagger!
Kudos to the Town of Plymouth and the people of Plymouth Beach for All Coalition for sticking to their guns and getting the true facts out in the open. Enjoy your beach!

Now I want to know what will become of this-"The ruling also questions the motives of Goldenrod founder Kate Muther, who owns a private home on the beach and spends part of her summers there."
Is she going to be allowed to continue this foolish witch hunt she is on?
All of this is a waste of time and money.

From Wicked Local 3 Hours ago. Looks like a small problem at Goldenrod


The whole thing was a scam' Hecker said as he left the Goldenrod Cottage for the last time. 'We all knew there was no meaningful evidence.'

'Ya, but we expected a little bit of COMPETENT evidence!! That's why we fired your A$$!' Muther could be heard yelling from the window.

'I did all I could for those mean, ignorant, selfish snakes.' Hecker mumbled under his breath.

'I can hear you. And I must say, I agree with everything except where you said you did all you could. Now leave! Go do nothing for somebody else!'

And that's how it ended.

From Wicked Local 3 Hours ago. Looks like a small problem at Goldenrod


Link PLEEEEZE ;)

OK - found the link: Judge upholds Plymouth Beach Management Plan - Plymouth, MA - Wicked Local Plymouth (http://www.wickedlocal.com/plymouth/news/enviroment/x1682028562/Judge-upholds-Beach-Management-Plan)

Will wait to find out if this is legit :buds:

That is a quote in the comments section. WOW!!!! Oh man I gotta know if this is true!:buds:

This is great news, now the town of Plymouth should sue them to get all there wasted money back

This is a concern for me. (My emphasis added)
“Twenty years of appeals and modifications have produced the most stringent beach plan in the state, the template. That’s the success,” McInerney said.

I hope they don't use the Plymouth plan as a template in other areas.

I'm not sure how strict Plymouth beach is but I drive Plum Island every fall and have heard that all the other beaches watch what gets done there (Plum Island) then set there rules accordingly.

As much as I love Plum Island after last fall I may never go back

This is a concern for me. (My emphasis added)


I hope they don't use the Plymouth plan as a template in other areas.

Most beach plans are like Plymouth's already with the exception of a total dog ban. (and they are working on changing that now)

All is silent on the Golden Fraud FB page. Most of us have been banned from posting there. I would love to see the link put up there for that article. Their "FANS" need to know the truth about them.

Goldenfraud filed another appeal.
Goldenrod filed an appeal of the Final Decision in Suffolk Superior Court on February 17, 2011.

My post on their FB page lasted all of 4 minutes before they deleted it! Frauds.

Andy Stevenson
More Plymouth sightings just in time for your appeal to the courts to ban beach access for your elitiest crowd I see. What a bunch of uptight,pretentios people you all are. Trying to ban access so people dont disrupt your vacation home on Long Beach.

Maybe a visit from the "Yak Rats" could be in order?
Have a beach meeting, and claim that the Yak Rats are a non-profit organization, then they can file a complaint against Goldenfraud if they so much as fart in the yakkers direction.
Turn their idiocy against them and see how they like being on the receiving end of the stick.

If worse ever came to worse, maybe they could surround their luxury home.....I mean "research facility" with a fence preventing them for accessing it for as long as WE want, and claim its "for the birds" (literally)!!!

Hey ya know I am a birdwatcher too. I watch for birds dive bombing bait all the time. I even have some cool binoculars. If I bring a clipboard will they allow me to bask in the sun all day in the name of research?

Now ORV's are responsible for global warming and beach erosion.
The crap that comes out of this guys mouth is unbelievable. Someone needs to start a GOLDENFRAUD FB page so we can refute this guys venomous attacks on us.
The Goldenrod Foundation | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Goldenrod-Foundation/148578321846683)

The Goldenrod Foundation
‎2 good articles in Apr 3 Sunday Boston Globe on Sea Level Rise, with prediction that effect could be greatest in the Northeast. 2nd article about South Shore, "Perilous wave of the future". Another reason we need to focus on the reducing the erosion and destruction caused by beach-driving SUVs and why we should support increased protections for rare and endangered species of birds that nest on barrier beaches.

What the article makes me think is Geez maybe we better put these birds in zoo if we want to keep them. It in no way tells me that we need to keep trucks off the beach. It aggrevates me to no end that we cannot respond to this BS

Yeah, isn't it amazing that dissenting comments are deleted or blocked from their website, and then they cliam that they have had nothing but positive feedback from the public?
The "foundation" (i.e. eco-scam) is a joke, and the only thing worse than these walking, talking, reproducing piles of feces is any liberal judge that believes any of the crap they throw out as "alleged" true!

If they were to ever succeed, it would be a sad day for logical, free-thinking, intelligent anglers everywhere!

Ya know if I thought for one second that ORV's damaged the beach I would be against them. By following the rules and keeping away from the dunes we are doing no damage at all to the beach. The tide comes in and makes all my tracks go away. 6 hours later nobody would ever know I was there. That is the type of thing I would like to say to those Goldenfraud people and all those who believe them.

The Renewable energy earth loving crowd is farce for the most part. people want to be associated with it because it is trending up.

Next time you see a prius or a volt driving down the road ask yourself where the energy came from to charge the batteries to fuel that vehicle? More than likely from an electrical outlet in a home connected to the grid fed by coal driven turbines or nuclear rarely solar never wind.

The other thing to consider is what do we do with all the batteries when they have outlived there usefulness? Where do they go and how are they recycled. If you want to drive a hybrid or electric do it to save on energy costs not to save the planet your logic is flawed.

Those curly lightbulbs that you put in your home and they save you money. Loaded with Mercury. Not really a green alternative unless recycled properly.

The Renewable energy earth loving crowd is farce for the most part. people want to be associated with it because it is trending up.

Sorry, not true. Everything you talked about in your post is far better than the alternative. Leads to more striped bass in the end. The majority of people I know are renewable energy and earth loving crowd because it makes sense. They also like to drive on beaches to fish so I am not buying into your divisive crap that we are better off with current energy use. :) :yak5:
http://www.electroauto.com/info/pollmyth.shtml

The info below considers pollution from charging an ev vs pollution from int. comb. engines.
"Because California has a mix of cleaner fuels and renewable sources, several studies have concluded that improvements in air quality can be achieved easily by plugging in to EVs.

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) estimates that EVs operating in the Los Angeles Basin would produce 98 percent fewer hydrocarbons, 89 percent fewer oxides of nitrogen, and 99 percent less carbon monoxide than ICE vehicles.

In a study conducted by the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, EVs were significantly cleaner over the course of 100,000 miles than ICE cars. The electricity generation process produces less than 100 pounds of pollutants for EVs compared to 3000 pounds for ICE vehicles. "