America's Cup decision today....What do the locals think? Do you want it there? Pros? Cons? Economic impact outweigh everything else? And.... how will it affect the local fishing?

Want it, YES. Will it happen? Probably not. Fishing? All those hiding on Aquidneck Island will have a more difficult time now and will be forced to spend more time over bridges.

Awaiting the final decision and I'm unsure of Newport's odds. I do want it for the monetary boost and jobs it would provide the state. Also recall the glory days of Dennis Connors and Ted Turner in Newport. In any case I fish the other side of the Bay.

Personally, I'd love to see it come back. That being said, the town can't handle the crowds.

As far as fishing does, it won't effect it very much IMO.
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I would like to see it in Newport. Although I think the new facilities would have to be elsewhere, I just can't see the inner harbor handling the teams for 2 or more years. Maybe we can get rid of that last carrier and build a world class facilities down on that pier.

I live in Newport. Would like to see it but not if tax payers have to foot the bill. They have to tell me how to pay for it. I suggest a tax levy on all marinas, boat dealers, etc. They want it here - they should pay for the improvements at Ft Adams. That state park belongs to all residents of RI - I'd hate to see the park given over to another private entity like yacht racing. You already have Sail Newport taking over a section of my park. Try fishing off the floating docks at Sail Newport - they chase you off. I'm afraid of more space being taken over by the sailing crowd. The bilionaire from BMW Oracle is holding Newport and San Fransisco over a barrel. I'd kick him in the ass and send him to Italy if he's not happy.

DZ

Crowds have been down noticably over the last few years so it would be good economically.

Its not going to happen.

Would love it to happen,with all of Jerry's contacts I'd be working nonstop for the next two years.

Its not going to happen.

Would love it to happen,with all of Jerry's contacts I'd be working nonstop for the next two years.

The Comittee has to announce today or some legal wragglin will have to occur. I'm thinkin SF has it, with Larry Ellison being out there, but who know's neither city has finalized anything.

Who's Jerry?

The Comittee has to announce today or some legal wragglin will have to occur. I'm thinkin SF has it, with Larry Ellison being out there, but who know's neither city has finalized anything.

Who's Jerry?

Kirby.I've worked for him for the past 17yrs.

I am a cynic, the whole thing is about pushing the price lower. Without Newport, SF has little or no competition otherwise

It would be great for businesses, as a chef I know the restaurants have been slower in past year, with this year being the worst in a long time.

As far as fishing I only fish at night and I NEVER see anyone except the two guys I fish with.

Most guys who fish Newport are blitz seekers.

Don't think it will happen though.
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Kirby.I've worked for him for the past 17yrs.

Okay, now I know who you mean. I didn't think you were in the boat business though.

Okay, now I know who you mean. I didn't think you were in the boat business though.

I'm not.I work for his construction company.

Sources say San Francisco has America's Cup. | San Francisco Examiner (http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2010/12/souces-say-san-francisco-has-americas-cup)

Radio is stating that a SF paper is reporting that SF gets the Cup.

Larry wins:

"The deal meted out will require Ellison’s team to invest upfront into Piers 30-32, just south of the Bay Bridge. In return, The City will provide free rent and longterm development rights on that and other nearby property for decades.

San Francisco will also invest millions in city services into the race, but city officials have said it is worth it in exchange to the $1 billion or more in tourist dollars they expect to come to the region during the race"



Newport doesn't have the space or money.

no

Newport may not have the money, but if the right
ventures got behind a hosting push,,,,,,,,,,,,,it COULD happen.

for me and my viewing pleasure~~~
there is NO BETTER place on God's blessed seas to watch The America's Cup!! i also believe that the winds and waters off of the City by the Sea test a 12Meter's mettle better than most places, and certainly so when it comes to the placid Pacific. likewise, there is something so quintessentially New England about watching those majestic boats as they make the point at Castle Hill from a day's endeavors of tacking and jibbing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

while SF may have the city and the culture to pull it off,,,,,,,,,
by NO MEANS or stretch of the imagination do they have the America's Cup History that NPT does. logistics;smojistics!! NPT is a clusterfluke in the summer w/ or w/out The Cup. and as far as losing "your" Fort Adams, DZ, the sacrifice seems worth the boon to many facets of Newport's struggling economies tourism being at the fore.

it would be GREAT for the area businesses and, imho, would NOT impact the fishing at all,,,,,,,,,,,
doan we ALL know by now, there's no feesh in Newport, especially not in the summer!!??!!
:grins: :grins: :wall: :wall: :grins: :grins:

Ummm, Jess.... There hasn't been a 12 meter built or raced in the Cup since 1987.

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Lots of dough.

However, at the bottom it says that Newport may get one of the prelim events.

Ummm, Jess.... There hasn't been a 12 meter built or raced in the Cup since 1987.

Not only that, but when they raced in Newport, they were so far out that you couldnt see them from shore. What you got to see was them being towed in and out by the support boats.
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Newport may not have the money, but if the right
ventures got behind a hosting push,,,,,,,,,,,,,it COULD happen.


There is more than enough money to bring it to Newport.
The powers that be are too happy in their little corner to bother.

Won't ever happen nor will there ever be a NYYC sponsored boat ever again.

i also believe that the winds and waters off of the City by the Sea test a 12Meter's mettle better than most places, and certainly so when it comes to the placid Pacific.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SHO3mFiQoLQ/RyBYOgXqXPI/AAAAAAAAABw/D_4YDpsISuo/s320/sinking.jpg

Just go down the NYYC anchorage, those boys ain't lettin no CA rich kid in, and particularly not Larry E. after all his fightin about the AC. Let him hang on the West Coast or in Malaysia

Post the video of that..... Those carbon/plastic thingies go to the bottom fast.....

Ummm, Jess.... There hasn't been a 12 meter built or raced in the Cup since 1987.

You can sail on a 12 any day you want in NPT,even pretend you are a hand in a simulated race.Some of those boats go to Saint Maarten for the winter for the same purpose.

You can sail on a 12 any day you want in NPT,even pretend you are a hand in a simulated race.Some of those boats go to Saint Maarten for the winter for the same purpose.

I know where 2 are currently winterized down in Melville

I know where 2 are currently winterized down in Melville

4 at New England Boatworks
2 at Hinckley
2+ at Newport Shipyard

few others scattered about (Herreshoff Museum etc.)

Post the video of that..... Those carbon/plastic thingies go to the bottom fast.....

Look how placid it is in the Pacific.

YouTube - America's Cup - Boats breaks and sinks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA-REPv-ReY)


SD: all the boats are original race boats or trial horses. No new 12's have been built.

4 at New England Boatworks
2 at Hinckley
2+ at Newport Shipyard

few others scattered about (Herreshoff Museum etc.)

4? I am missin a few I am going to have to find them

I haven't gone over the Hinckly.

4? I am missin a few I am going to have to find them

I haven't gone over the Hinckly.

1 past the paint building.
2 next to where they had Titan's rig when Hall finished it (across from waterline)
1 inside

SD: all the boats are original race boats or trial horses. No new 12's have been built.

And without major surgery/modifications (like adding a deck to keep the water out) most 12 meters would likely sink in offshore conditions. Can't imagine taking one to St Maarten on its own bottom....

And without major surgery/modifications (like adding a deck to keep the water out) most 12 meters would likely sink in offshore conditions. Can't imagine taking one to St Maarten on its own bottom....

Dockwise. :)

Nirvana is at NEB next to Blue Yankee
Towse is now Commodore of NYYC. :O

I've always loved Gleam.
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I think Valiant, and maybe Heritage are housed up here.

1 past the paint building.
2 next to where they had Titan's rig when Hall finished it (across from waterline)
1 inside

Well that explains why I can't find the 4th one.

I'll look for the other 2 this week at lunch, I love cruising through to no think about something IT related for about 20 min and the drive back and forth along Burma Road is relaxing to

Ummm, Jess.... There hasn't been a 12 meter built or raced in the Cup since 1987.

while you are right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

still, those were the best of racing times, no?

and i do see 12Meters doing their thing from time to time in the harbor and around Beaver Tail.
those are amazing boats, i miss watching them sail!!

Not only that, but when they raced in Newport, they were so far out that you couldnt see them from shore. What you got to see was them being towed in and out by the support boats.
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not from shore,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

from a boat, my bruthah~~~ and YES! i do recall them being towed in and out,,,,,,,,,,,,,
still an awesome sight and worth the price of admission.

There is more than enough money to bring it to Newport.
The powers that be are too happy in their little corner to bother.

Won't ever happen nor will there ever be a NYYC sponsored boat ever again.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SHO3mFiQoLQ/RyBYOgXqXPI/AAAAAAAAABw/D_4YDpsISuo/s320/sinking.jpg

likwid~~~

i am talking about the avg conditions,,,,,,

i am sure that there have been many storms that could sink
these racing vessels out there; but, generally speaking, isn't the Pacific much calmer than the Mighty Atlantic??

what the frick do i know anyways,,,,,,,,,,,
the only sailing i've helmed was a 17' Prindle(sp?) on Lake Walden outside of Houston. or as rail meat for some of the local yokels out of Ida's. wish i knew more and sailed more to be honest. it's "a little" above my pay scale for the time being,,,,,,,,, still, i love to watch The Cup and i do believe that it would be GOOOOD for Newport!!
:grins: :grins: :grins:

I have a friend who has been a captain on the 12's for over 10 years.And while they are not new,they are well maintained,regal vessels.He has some bone chilling stories about transporting boats back from St.Maarten.I've been down there to visit him before.If a 12 year old girl can sail around the globe,it can make transport look sane.

Doing an ocean passage on a 12 from the mid 70's to the 80's would be akin to fishing the edge of the continental shelf in a center console. You can do it, but.............
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Doing an ocean passage on a 12 from the mid 70's to the 80's would be akin to fishing the edge of the continental shelf in a center console. You can do it, but.............
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Has anyone mentioned Dockwise? :rotf2:

I went to all but race 7 in 1983. I sailed out for race 7 with the fleet but it was postponed do to lack of wind so i sailed from the race grounds back to guilford Ct. It was a great experience to see the whole scene in newport. The Aussies are great party animals. I thought it was good that Australia won and even better when Conner won it back from them. There were some great cup defenders leike Intrepid and courageous and Freedom. Many thought the older freedom was a more capable all around boat than liberty which of course lost it. Austarlia ll was a big inovation. It also had a great crew and captain. What Stars and Stripes did to develop a boat to win it back in 87 was really a phenominal show of engineering , sailing and financing efforts. They built 3 trial horses then incorporated all the best in Stars and Stripes 55 which was a remarkeable boat for sailing off the coast of Austarlia. Conner , although disliked by many many many... :) was a great captain and redeemed himself by winning it right back in 87.

After that it all went to hell with rules becoming court battles and really stupid boats being built. That era ruined the reputation of the Cup as we knew it.

Anyway , its not coming to newport. All that infrastructure that handled it in 83 is all shopping centers and condos now. i didn't like the whole Fort Adams thing. leave that for the everyday people. Let the gazzilionaires buy and develop private property.

After that it all went to hell with rules becoming court battles and really stupid boats being built. That era ruined the reputation of the Cup as we knew it.

Don't worry, Larry Ellison is doing it again.

RIP ACC boats. :(

I found America II and Freedom outside today. Where's the 3rd one outside at NEB? Some unnamed white appears to be 12 meter in the row 4 sale though,

I found America II and Freedom outside today. Where's the 3rd one outside at NEB? Some unnamed white appears to be 12 meter in the row 4 sale though,

Thats #3
Its one of the aussie boats (I believe Australia II).
#4 is in the 2nd shed, unless they moved it.

Is Shindig still right at the gate? (the blue hulled sled)

Thats #3
Its one of the aussie boats (I believe Australia II).
#4 is in the 2nd shed, unless they moved it.

Is Shindig still right at the gate? (the blue hulled sled)

yes it is. so that's 4.

there is no markings on the white one at all, its the size and the odd keel that gives a distinct re-look

Thats KZ3 then. One of the first fiberglass 12 meters.

Thats KZ3 then. One of the first fiberglass 12 meters.

Nice 1986 trial horse. Yes its a pig compared to recent yachts

Nice 1986 trial horse. Yes its a pig compared to recent yachts

Il Moro is for sale (The red IACC that sat at Hinckley/Hood for a thousand years) on the west coast for $150k. :rotf2:

One of her keel bulbs is still at Hinckley.

Il Moro is for sale (The red IACC that sat at Hinckley/Hood for a thousand years) on the west coast for $150k. :rotf2:

One of her keel bulbs is still at Hinckley.

She was in the water last year along with a twin. Red correct?

She was in the water last year along with a twin. Red correct?

Yup. Some "team building"/day sailing company bought her and realized there's no money in "team building" anymore.

Yup. Some "team building"/day sailing company bought her and realized there's no money in "team building" anymore.

Lol.
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Reality..... This is what awaits every era of Cup participants (both boats and crew...) US 49 being fit into a dumpster.

Reality..... This is what awaits every era of Cup participants (both boats and crew...) US 49 being fit into a dumpster.

So true, they are obsolete after the rich guy finishes the series

Reality..... This is what awaits every era of Cup participants (both boats and crew...) US 49 being fit into a dumpster.

That was a case of some idiot buying it and trying to afford it.
Most of the sailors are still around racing on sleds and in the Med.

AC is more of a side thing these days for crews/drivers.

Anyone remember when one of the guys from another country got arrested for scuba diving under Connor's boat to take a picture of the keel and got arrested? A friend's friend got arrested for public drunkedness that same night and ended up being handcuffed to the guy. They had to do a perp walk the next day while the guy was still in his wetsuit. He made a few papers.

You got it wrong. The diver was trying too look at australias new revolutionary winged keel. We knew their keel was different, but didn't know about the wings.
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Thats correct. A lot of effort went into getting a look at Australia ll's keel. I remember the diver incident.

I wonder why it was determined that the diver had broken the law and what law he broke?

Trespassing?
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Maybe tresspassing. In the water is certainly below the high water mark. Anyway , just curious as a trivia thing.

im completely assuming that when a marina is granted permits for docks, its property lines then extend into the water and at least a boats width around each dock. But again... i have no idea.

Not only that, but when they raced in Newport, they were so far out that you couldnt see them from shore. What you got to see was them being towed in and out by the support boats.
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You had to watch the boat races from a boat. Not very difficult to pick up a ride. But you didn't need a boat to watch all the hot babes the races brought to town!

Dennis Conner is still not allowed in Newport. :rotf2:

Dennis Conner is still not allowed in Newport. :rotf2:

This is true.
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