Obama in campaign mode: 'Delivered on change that we can believe in' - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/150361-obama-in-campaign-mode-we-have-delivered-on-change-that-we-can-believe-in)

:rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2: :rotf2:

CHANGE....

Yea all new taxes and #^&#^&#^&#^& rammed down our throats.

It's better.


See ya Spence :hee:

the only change "i see"

is that i only have
change as in "coins"

in my pocket :doh:

clearly delusional....

Obama in campaign mode: 'Delivered on change that we can believe in'
By Sam Youngman - 03/16/11 10:39 PM ET

President Obama boldly proclaimed Wednesday that he had fulfilled his most daring but abstract 2008 campaign pledge: "Change we can believe in."

Obama told a gathering of top donors and Democratic officials that, while his work is not finished, "we have made extraordinary progress over these last two years."


"When you look back at the track record of work that we've done over the last two years, I think it's fair to say the promise we made to the American people has been kept, that we have delivered in change that we can believe in," Obama said.

Yea all new taxes and #^&#^&#^&#^& rammed down our throats.

It's better.



Scott, did your federal tax rate increase? Your payroll tax? I can't find information anywhere that says these things have increased on anyone. I know many states have raised rates, but which taxes specifically has Obama raised?

Very interesting views on both (all?) parties
David Stockman: The U.S. Is In A "Race To The Fiscal Bottom" (http://www.businessinsider.com/david-stockman-us-is-in-race-to-the-fiscal-bottom-2010-10)

Scott, did your federal tax rate increase? Your payroll tax? I can't find information anywhere that says these things have increased on anyone. I know many states have raised rates, but which taxes specifically has Obama raised?

ugh, as much as it pains me, got to agree with Zimmy. Taxes have not increased under Obama. The deficit has.
here is my 2 cents on our presidents progress

1. Two wars - still fighting them. Most of the progress in Iraq was the result of Bush's work. Obama barely mentions Iraq. Afgan? Whats the plan? update?
2. Guantanamo - still open and no plan on how to close
3. Govt. transparency - do your own web search, both sides agree he as done very little
4. Uniting the country - more divided than ever
5. Economic crisis - TARP was Bush's. O's team administered it
6. Stimulus package - big chunk of $ paid out. So, whats it done? Their website is terrible, cant make any conclusions on success or even where the money is. The biggest idea and most expensive was a tax break, hidden in paychecks that no one knew about. great idea!
7. The worlds view of us - suddenly everyone loved us once O became president. A few months back, barely reported by the media - Napolitano stated the US is more likely to have a terr attack now than immediatley following 911. Think about that! despite all the good will, bowing to leaders and hugs and kisses, we're more likely to have an attack NOW

Although I am biased, follow up on any of what I posted above. Its all spot on. So O delivered on his plan? His promises?

ugh, as much as it pains me, got to agree with Zimmy. Taxes have not increased under Obama. The deficit has.
here is my 2 cents on our presidents progress

1. Two wars - still fighting them. Most of the progress in Iraq was the result of Bush's work. Obama barely mentions Iraq. Afgan? Whats the plan? update?
2. Guantanamo - still open and no plan on how to close
3. Govt. transparency - do your own web search, both sides agree he as done very little
4. Uniting the country - more divided than ever
5. Economic crisis - TARP was Bush's. O's team administered it
6. Stimulus package - big chunk of $ paid out. So, whats it done? Their website is terrible, cant make any conclusions on success or even where the money is. The biggest idea and most expensive was a tax break, hidden in paychecks that no one knew about. great idea!
7. The worlds view of us - suddenly everyone loved us once O became president. A few months back, barely reported by the media - Napolitano stated the US is more likely to have a terr attack now than immediatley following 911. Think about that! despite all the good will, bowing to leaders and hugs and kisses, we're more likely to have an attack NOW

Although I am biased, follow up on any of what I posted above. Its all spot on. So O delivered on his plan? His promises?


there's this...
too bad the house switched huh?

ABC News Obama's Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011
February 26, 2009 12:00 PM

President Obama's budget proposes $989 billion in new taxes over the course of the next 10 years, starting fiscal year 2011, most of which are tax increases on individuals.

Why would it pain you to agree with me? I am usually right (ask my wife) :). I am with Jimmy on a lot of that stuff, but the country more divided I believe is based on much unfounded rhetoric about things like Obama raising taxes. He is a scapegoat for a segment of people that as a group are easy to incite at the moment.

He said he would reform health care, he did. What one thinks about that depends entirely on opinion at this point.

He was pretty close on with the plan for transition in Iraq. He didn't fix it, but I don't think he was wrong with what he said.

He doesn't know what to do about Afghanistan. he was never very specific about Afghanistan. I think he is gonna be hurt by Afghanistan mostly in his own party, if people pay attention to it.

More likely for terror attack has little to do with "world view" of us. There may be other things he has messed up with homeland security, but I would have to look into it more before concluding. Al Qaeda and its cronies don't follow world view. The arabs aren't going to like us as long as we side with Israel. As an aside, if the nutso's who think Obama is a muslim looking to install Sharia law here were correct, he would be very popular in the mid-east. His popularity in Europe is much higher than his predecessor. Can we call that one a draw?

Guantanamo- he was basically wrong about Guantanamo. He should have known how difficult it would be to safely shut down. However, it will be hard for him to defend keeping people in custody without enough evidence for trial.

Overall, I think it is a mix of what he said. Health reform, more oversight of financials. Middle class tax relief. Transition in Irag.

Economic stimulus- hard to know. Economy has grown, even if at too slow a pace. What would have happened without stimulus is debatable, but entirely based on opinion.

as was Reagen's is PURE charisma
But he ain't no Reagen

He isn't delusional he's diabolical
he is simply using primarily the power of persuasion

combined with the power of Suggestion
in a very Skillful way .... that's a given

His Ability to get things accomplished
has backFIRED tremendously

his people are already abandoning ship!

Obama in campaign mode: 'Delivered on change that we can believe in' - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/150361-obama-in-campaign-mode-we-have-delivered-on-change-that-we-can-believe-in)


maybe this is what he was referring to?


March 17, 2011
Democratic Socialists of America reach their goal ahead of time
Kerem Oner

DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) is the largest socialist organization outside of the CPUSA (Communist Party U.S.A.) honest enough not to masquerade as something other than what they are.

In 1997 DSA goals to attain by 2017 included:


A U.S. President from the Progressive Caucus, a 50 member socialist caucus in Congress, successful programs of the likes of universal health care, progressive taxation, social provision and campaign finance reform.

Little could they have known that almost a decade before their deadline, they would have practically achieved every one of their stated goals.


Their not-so-secret plan to achieve these goals was to take over the Democrat party, which they accomplished as apparent from the current crop of Democrats and the demise of the conservative, true "blue dogs" like former Democrat Senator Zell Miller (GA), whose book 'A National Party No More' is a must read for every American who cares to inform themselves about the transformation of the Democrat party. The CPUSA also joined the DSA in this goal as far back as the 1970s and admits that their members run for political office under the banner of the Democrat party.

In fact, the CPC (Congressional Progressive Caucus), with its 83 declared members, openly espouse the principles of socialism and publicly had signed onto the agenda of the Democratic Socialists of America. It was organized by the DSA per DSA's own admission. Like Obama with his seemingly multitudinous radical associations, the current estimated number of Democrats who were active in DSA (or had very close associations with likes of DSA or CPUSA), is well above their 1997 goal of 50 congressional members.

As our radical-in-chief likes to say, this is a teachable moment for those of us who still cherish the principles our great constitutional republic was founded upon.

Yea all new taxes and #^&#^&#^&#^& rammed down our throats.

Actually, two years into Obama's first term I believe taxes are at their lowest rate in history.

-spence

his people are already abandoning ship!

and worse...

Clinton announced that she’s done with Obama after 2012 — even if he wins again.

“Obviously, she’s not happy with dealing with a president who can’t decide if today is Tuesday or Wednesday, who can’t make his mind up,” a Clinton insider told The Daily. “She’s exhausted, tired.”

He went on, “If you take a look at what’s on her plate as compared with what’s on the plates of previous Secretary of States — there’s more going on now at this particular moment, and it’s like playing sports with a bunch of amateurs. And she doesn’t have any power. She’s trying to do what she can to keep things from imploding.”

Clinton is said to be especially peeved with the president’s waffling over how to encourage the kinds of Arab uprisings that have recently toppled regimes in Egypt and Tunisia, and in particular his refusal to back a no-fly zone over Libya.

In the past week, former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton’s former top adviser Anne Marie-Slaughter lashed out at Obama for the same reason.

The tension has even spilled over into her dealings with European diplomats, with whom she met early this week.

When French president Nicolas Sarkozy urged her to press the White House to take more aggressive action in Libya, Clinton repeatedly replied only, “There are difficulties,” according to Foreign Policy magazine.

“Frankly we are just completely puzzled,” one of the diplomats told Foreign Policy magazine. “We are wondering if this is a priority for the United States.”

Or as the insider described Obama’s foreign policy shop: “It’s amateur night.”

Obama is an unqualified clown who is in way over his head. The one thing he got right in the last 3 years was ordering that the Somali pirates be taken out. Other than that. he's a train wreck.

The economy? Obama said unemployment would stay below 8% if we passed his stimulus bill. How did that work out? We spent what, $750 billion? Obama says 4 million jobs were saved or created (whatever saved means), and even if you believe that, it works out to $187,500 per job. Most of those jobs are in the public sector, since much of the money was given to local governments. What liberals cannot seem to grasp is that the more public employees there are, the higher taxes must be. That doesn't seem too complex to me, but libs can't grasp it. The Chinese, for God's sake, are telling us to put a brake on the spending.

Foreign policy? Iraq has gone exactly as the Bush administration scheduled it to go, and that country is much better off than it was before we invaded. Afghanistan? Ater talking endlessly about what a bad idea the Iraqi surge was, it seems to me Obama adopted the same strategy.

Candidate Obama said that Gitmo was a stain on America's greatness. President Obama realizes Gitmo serves a purpose.

Bashing the Cambridge police? Civilian trials for terrorists? Not taking a stand on the appropriateness of the so-called grouind zero mosque? Saying republicans have to sit in the back of the bus? Has the guy done ANYTHING to fix social security or medicare? Adding trillions to the deficit?

I'll say one thing about Obama. As incompetent as he is, he was smart enough to pick an attorney general and a secstate who make him look brilliant...

Not taking a stand on the appropriateness of the so-called grouind zero mosque?

You mean the same one that Bloomberg took? That the mosque has been there for years and that a community center is certainly within their rights to build and any ban would be un-American and unconstitutional?

I'll say one thing about Obama. As incompetent as he is, he was smart enough to pick an attorney general and a secstate who make him look brilliant...

veep too!....ugh...that's depressing :confused:

No employees no payroll tax. I don't know what has increased RIGHT NOW because I haven't sat down with the acct yet.

There's been new liquor taxes, new cigarette taxes, LESS state aid (causing higher state and local taxes), new telecommunication taxes, ALL since ya buddy barry took office.

If your going to tell me that obamacare isn't a tax increase or the fact they that HAVE raised the deficit which will need to be paid with new taxes........

JUST BE PATIENT.:smash:


Scott, did your federal tax rate increase? Your payroll tax? I can't find information anywhere that says these things have increased on anyone. I know many states have raised rates, but which taxes specifically has Obama raised?

No employees no payroll tax. I don't know what has increased RIGHT NOW because I haven't sat down with the acct yet.


JUST BE PATIENT.:smash:

I was just checking Scott :). Your taxes are very likely lower now then under the last regime. There will certainly be tax increases in the future since the liquid part of the budget can't be reduced enough to slow the debt. However, at the moment he has not raised taxes. We already pay for Obamacare anyway when some uninsured person heads to the ER for a runny nose. Alot of stuff needs to be fixed, but the tax issue right now is more perception than anything.

You must have missed this paragraph so I'll cut and paste again :rotf2:

There's been new liquor taxes, new cigarette taxes, LESS state aid (causing higher state and local taxes), new telecommunication taxes, ALL since ya buddy barry took office.

Like I said BE PATIENT :spam:




I was just checking Scott :). Your taxes are very likely lower now then under the last regime. There will certainly be tax increases in the future since the liquid part of the budget can't be reduced enough to slow the debt. However, at the moment he has not raised taxes. We already pay for Obamacare anyway when some uninsured person heads to the ER for a runny nose. Alot of stuff needs to be fixed, but the tax issue right now is more perception than anything.

you forgot a WAR

the FAILED drug WAR of 60 years

it's a BUSINESS for PROFIT
for the Prison country with more
inmates than any country on EARTH

we the tax payers are paying for it
over a Trillion dollars spent already
and drug use is UP and UP and UP

TAX the drugs

You must have missed this paragraph so I'll cut and paste again :rotf2:

There's been new liquor taxes, new cigarette taxes, LESS state aid (causing higher state and local taxes), new telecommunication taxes, ALL since ya buddy barry took office.

Like I said BE PATIENT :spam:
I thought there was no liquor tax in MA any more?

-spence

No Liqour SALES Tax anymore

Actually, two years into Obama's first term I believe taxes are at their lowest rate in history.

-spence

That's only because the Bush tax cuts were extended against his wishes.

Unless Obamacare is defunded or repealed we will be working 7days
a week for the Government to pay our taxes.

on top of all this...

food prices are and will be going sky high
highest increase in 36 years it is said
to the point it will be the main focus quite soon...

because the retailers have squeezed the product smaller
and added all the packaging reduction tricks possible
to not raise the price too fast.

now with the products being obviously very Puny to begin
with it will cost 5% more in a matter of weeks

Although he hasn't "raised" our taxes, what he has done has affected so many facets of our lives that the taxes will be levied/applied at state/city/town levels.
That's how he will claim that he hasn't raised taxes.

It's just the Obama "trickle-down" theory, that's all!

on top of all this...

food prices are and will be going sky high
highest increase in 36 years it is said
to the point it will be the main focus quite soon...



Yup, with price increases on gas, oil and food, inflation is about to
rear it's ugly head. :(

That's only because the Bush tax cuts were extended against his wishes.

Unless Obamacare is defunded or repealed we will be working 7days
a week for the Government to pay our taxes.

The only part he didn't want to extend was the tax break Bush made for incomes over 250000 or so. He wanted them to go to the rate they were in the 90's. Many very smart economists have said that those tax rates from the 90's are reasonable and would be much better for the economy than the current rate of debt growth. The republic party prevented a return to the tax rate of the 90's. So the debt grows, aid to the states is reduced (as Scott points out) and the economy still stalls as is has since those tax rates were inacted. For 8 years the republicans grew the debt. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy never boosted the economy as Bush said they would. He was re-elected. Now people are screaming about Obama for TARP that Bush created. the one thing he has done is the health bill, which in the end may not cost much more than it currently costs to pay for uninsured peoples health care, which we already do. Lastly, I could give 2 shts if a 6 pack of beer costs a bit more cause of taxes. I would feel the same way if I smoked. Obama has not raised income or payroll taxes, he has cut them. I will revisit this thread in another year and we can discuss it then. As you said Scott, I will just wait :) Until then, I will pay a few extra cents on my locally produced American made Southern Tier IPA without any complaints and order my 1 oz needles over the internet from MA and forgo state tax:spam:

roflmao

see you next year :D

Obama is an unqualified clown who is in way over his head. The one thing he got right in the last 3 years was ordering that the Somali pirates be taken out. Other than that. he's a train wreck.

The economy? Obama said unemployment would stay below 8% if we passed his stimulus bill. How did that work out? We spent what, $750 billion? Obama says 4 million jobs were saved or created (whatever saved means), and even if you believe that, it works out to $187,500 per job. Most of those jobs are in the public sector, since much of the money was given to local governments. What liberals cannot seem to grasp is that the more public employees there are, the higher taxes must be. That doesn't seem too complex to me, but libs can't grasp it. The Chinese, for God's sake, are telling us to put a brake on the spending.

Foreign policy? Iraq has gone exactly as the Bush administration scheduled it to go, and that country is much better off than it was before we invaded. Afghanistan? Ater talking endlessly about what a bad idea the Iraqi surge was, it seems to me Obama adopted the same strategy.

Candidate Obama said that Gitmo was a stain on America's greatness. President Obama realizes Gitmo serves a purpose.

Bashing the Cambridge police? Civilian trials for terrorists? Not taking a stand on the appropriateness of the so-called grouind zero mosque? Saying republicans have to sit in the back of the bus? Has the guy done ANYTHING to fix social security or medicare? Adding trillions to the deficit?

I'll say one thing about Obama. As incompetent as he is, he was smart enough to pick an attorney general and a secstate who make him look brilliant...



Finally we agree on something...:buds:

CHANGE



White House to cut access to half of federal websites - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/13/obama-administration-cut-access-federal-websites/)

Actually, two years into Obama's first term I believe taxes are at their lowest rate in history.

-spence

OMG!!!! complete BS:rotf2:

In a switch, GOP's Michele Bachmann talks of empathy - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-bachmann-empathy-20110616,0,7584994.story?track=rss)

POKE that dragon

lets go play some more golf, take another vacation, and eat steak rubbed with giraffe loins and picadilly plovers

I wouldn't even poke that dragon with... oh never mind :biglaugh:

And so starts the liberal smearing campaign.

CHANGE

"The President is creating an 11 member Government Oversight
and Accountability Board."

There goes the website deletion savings.

But imagine 11 new jobs created for and by the government.

Got to be 500k each a year :hee:

It's only money right?

MORE CHANGE

Mrs. Obama’s South Africa Trip Cost Taxpayers Over $500,000 | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier (http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/06/27/michelles-south-africa-trip-cost-taxpayers-500000/)

.....these solo first lady trips....

Obama pushing behind scenes to win over big-dollar donors - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-pushing-behind-scenes-to-win-over-big-dollar-donors/2011/06/24/AGO5NGoH_print.html)

I think I just puked on the dragon.

Stupid is as stupid does. I can't believe there are people on this planet that feel this jackass is worth a billion dollars.

:smash: I'm telling you they're going to do it on money alone. At any cost. :smash:

.....these solo first lady trips....

Damn liberals sending their first ladies solo on the taxpayers nickel...

USATODAY.com - First lady begins her first solo trip overseas in Paris (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/05/13/laura-bush-europe.htm)

oops.... :smash:

by KEITH KOFFLER on JUNE 29, 2011, 12:54 PM

The Obama campaign appears to be signaling that its fundraising totals for the second quarter of the year – the first since President Obama announced for reelection – will not be as robust as the campaign would like.

In an email to campaign supporters today, President Obama unmistakably sought to downplay money.

We’re closing the books on the first fundraising quarter of the 2012 race at midnight tomorrow.

A lot of folks will be interpreting our numbers as a measure of this campaign’s support.

They’re not wrong, but they are wrong about why.

We measure our success not in dollars but in people — in the number of everyday Americans who’ve chosen to give whatever they can afford because they know we’ve got more work to do.*

Campaign officials revealed during the last week that they have set a target of raising $$60 million for the quarter from at least 450,000 donors.

But even $$60 million would not seem to be a very ambitious goal for Obama. He raised the same amount during the second quarter of 2007, just after he announced his 2008 campaign.

The campaign is hoping to raise up to $$1 billion total for the 2012 election.

The email reiterates a call for donors to give at least $$5 in order to be automatically entered into a raffle for dinner with Obama and Vice President Biden.

GREAT way to start the day!
Nothing makes me happier LOL
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Half a million billion kajillion dollars and the best he can do is a friggin MAGNET :rotf2:

On Obama's visit, presidential seal blew off his limo on I-76; it later was recovered | Philadelphia Daily News | 07/02/2011 (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110702_On_Obama_s_visit__presidential_seal_blew_ off_his_limo_on_I-76__it_later_was_recovered.html)

And yes this limo was ordered and built to HIS HIGHNESS's SPECIFIC needs/specs. Not any other president...O'SAMA The main man #1

David Spade -- You Can't Call Obama a D*ck! | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/02/david-spade-presient-barack-obama-msnbc-mark-halperin-tmz-on-tv-show-piece-clip/)

POKE

Obama On Fixing Unemployment: | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/08/obama_on_fixing_unemployment_im_ready_to_roll_up_m y_sleeves.html)



So where's he been all this time. Oh wait there's those 7 little wars going on. :smash:

Stand back! He's coming to save the daaaaaaaaaaay! He's ready to roll up his sleeves!

PROOF that O'bama ruined this country :hee:

Rubio: Every Aspect Of Life In America Is Worse Since Obama Took Over | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/11/rubio_every_aspect_of_life_in_america_is_worse_sin ce_obama_took_over.html)

"Every aspect of life in America today is worse than it was when [President Obama] took over. Unemployment higher. Interest rates. The only thing that has gone down in America over the last two years is the value of your home. This president has mismanaged this economy. He has been incompetent in his management of this economy," Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said on "Hannity."

Obama = the great Miss manager (in more ways than one)

PROOF that O'bama ruined this country :hee:

Rubio: Every Aspect Of Life In America Is Worse Since Obama Took Over | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/11/rubio_every_aspect_of_life_in_america_is_worse_sin ce_obama_took_over.html)

"Every aspect of life in America today is worse than it was when [President Obama] took over. Unemployment higher. Interest rates. The only thing that has gone down in America over the last two years is the value of your home. This president has mismanaged this economy. He has been incompetent in his management of this economy," Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said on "Hannity."

Rubio has a bright future with the GOP.

That being said, I just checked one of my IRA's and from when Obama took office until now it's up 68% without any contributions on my part.

And this is after a blistering recession, high energy prices, a new health care burden on private business and uncertainty as to how government will regulate and tax wealth in the future.

68%!!!

I'd be willing to wager that Rubio's retirement portfolio looks much the same if not better.

Which would make him a liar, or perhaps just a dope. Perhaps he doesn't have that bright a future with the GOP.

-spence

.

That being said, I just checked one of my IRA's and from when Obama took office until now it's up 68% without any contributions on my part.



68%!!!


-spence

:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

whose the dope?

:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

whose the dope?

Did you have a point?

-spence

we was warned

‪FDR Warning about Today's Republicans‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZGkNAUSvY)

‪Mr. President, Keep Your Word‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB9GVb-775o&feature=player_embedded)

Did you have a point?

-spence68%?????? from what?? Bernie Madoff didn't even get that.How about letting the rest of us get on that one.:wall::rotf2:

68%?????? from what?? Bernie Madoff didn't even get that.How about letting the rest of us get on that one.:wall::rotf2:
I'm obviously talking about the value of the IRA that was pummeled during the end of Bush's presidency and now is back so somewhat normal.

And I was looking at the wrong chart, IRA only was 51%, and I'm glad it's back.
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obviously

we was warned

‪FDR Warning about Today's Republicans‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZGkNAUSvY)

What FDR warned against is today's Social Security system. He envisioned a pre-funded "insurance" system of compulsory contributions into a social insurance annuity for WORKERS to be used as a supplement to their own privately invested retirement plans. What developed in the 1940's was a shift, against his will, to a pay-as-you-go system that also progressively expanded to cover all sorts of beneficiaries other than contributing "workers." It is now just another compulsory regressive payroll tax that goes into the general fund and helps to pay all the Federal Government obligations.

It was known as far back as 1935, before the Social Security Act was passed, in the January 1935 report of the committee on economic security that "with an increasing number and even more rapidly increasing percentage of the aged, the cost of supporting old persons will be a heavy load on future generations . . ." and this was before modern medecine increased life span and before so many other then retirees were added to the S.S. rolls.

Arthur Altmeyer said in 1944 " it is a mathematical certainty that the longer the present day pay-roll tax rate remains in effect, the higher the future pay-roll tax must be . . . will eventually necessitate raising the employees contribution rate later to a point where future beneficiaries will be obliged to pay more for their benefits than if they obtained this insurance from a private insurance company." And also "retaining the present rate creates a moral obligation on the part of Congess to provide a government subsidy . . . to avoid levying inequitably high pay-roll tax rates . .. . this is recognized in the Murray ammendment . . . to the Social Security Act . . . [in wich] there is . . . to be appropriated to the trust fund . . . sums as may be required to finance the benefits . . ." Altmeyer was a student of one of the founders of the Wisconsin model of social insurance which was the model for FDR's plan.

So FDR might have been warning about Republicans of his time, but not todays Republicans who want a partial or complete reform of Social Security that would privatize it to resemble more closely his vision than the system that exists.

Did you have a point?

-spence

absolutely... your best, most recent effort to defend your earthly master, and in this case, discount the comments by Rubio was to grossly overstate the gains of "one " of your IRA's...I'll give you credit for a speedy correction after being called on it as Obama's revision of phony econmic numbers usually appear a week or two or more after he has misused the data, your elation over gains that can be mainly credited to the works of Bernanke Maidoff and the Toothfairy remind me a little of Soros proclaiming during the depth of the recession that he'd "had a very good year"...gloating over unsubstantiable and now "revised" claims and assailing Rubio in doing so :confused: is that your ONLY example that things might be better...Spence's IRA? .......cause I don't think it's gonna move too many people....

No one laughed.

Your term has been the biggest joke yet :hee:

Obama Makes Joke About Confirmation Process And No One Laughs | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/18/obama_makes_joke_about_nomination_process_--_no_one_laughs.html)

"IMPEACH BARRY NOW!!.. THIS IMPOSTER HAS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY AND WAY OF LIFE!!.. WE CAN'T EVEN AFFORD GAS OR GROCERIES WHILE HIM AND HIS WIFE LIVE LIKE ROYALTY!!.. 2012 CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH!!."

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absolutely... your best, most recent effort to defend your earthly master, and in this case, discount the comments by Rubio was to grossly overstate the gains of "one " of your IRA's...I'll give you credit for a speedy correction after being called on it as Obama's revision of phony econmic numbers usually appear a week or two or more after he has misused the data, your elation over gains that can be mainly credited to the works of Bernanke Maidoff and the Toothfairy remind me a little of Soros proclaiming during the depth of the recession that he'd "had a very good year"...gloating over unsubstantiable and now "revised" claims and assailing Rubio in doing so :confused: is that your ONLY example that things might be better...Spence's IRA? .......cause I don't think it's gonna move too many people....

It was one measure, one BIG measure that impacts every American and benefits tens of millions of Americans significantly.

Please put at least a little effort in it.

-spence

IMHO.

The problem is not who is president or running the House. It is jobs. Every reccession that we have ever had has been lifted up by an uptick in manufacturing, followed by a increase in housing demand. Since we have sent millions of jobs overseas to China and India and whereever the hell else they wen,t there are very little of what I call general labor jobs out there. These are the jobs for the high school grad or drop-out that paid well and got them into the housing mkt. So no jobs for them, no demand for real estate, no demand for all the other serives. This is the first time I remember a reverse trickle down theory. The problem is trickling up.

I work and live in the Attleboros, when I moved here from Texas on 1995 the were 10"s of thousands of blue collar folks making a living in the metal and jewelry business over the last 15 years those jobs have left, Balfour gone, TI gone, Hasbro gone. Downtown is a wasteland and the unemployment rates are in the double digits. Wealth in the US is becomming concentrated at the very top levels.

The world had become a mkt village. As a manufacturer you can build in China and ship to the best mkt, then have the cash delivered to the country with the losest corporate tax rate. The only role that US has is banking and research and China is starting to challange us on the research end of things.

I am pretty sure we are screwed at this point regardless of what happens. We did it to ourselves, kept reelecting vote for sale government leaders. Lobbyists running the show in DC. I don't have an answer, but I really don't belive in the government or the US anymore.

It was one measure, one BIG measure that impacts every American and benefits tens of millions of Americans significantly.



-spence

Ya, if they had mucho gold in their portfolio.

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

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NOTHING would make my day better than to see this.

Ya, if they had mucho gold in their portfolio.

No gold in mine.
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No gold in mine.
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Too bad, up 72.84% since Obama took the reins.

Most money managers reccomend at least 5-10% in a well diversified portfolio.

Too bad, up 72.84% since Obama took the reins.

Most money managers reccomend at least 5-10% in a well diversified portfolio.
Don't think there's any in my 401K but the money market could have a bit.

-spence

Don't think there's any in my 401K but the money market could have a bit.

-spence

I doubt they would have it in your 401 K but you can have it in your IRA.
Buy it as spdr gold trust [symbol GLD] where you can trade it, or a good
gold mutual fund of which there are many, minning companies etc.
At $1570 an oz it's pricey now, some say it could hit 2-3000 oz but at
this point I wouldn't bet the farm on it. It can go down as fast as up.
Hedge against inflation and protection against financial collapse,
depends on which way O takes us. :)
Kinda like an insurance policy.

I doubt they would have it in your 401 K but you can have it in your IRA.
Buy it as spdr gold trust [symbol GLD] where you can trade it, or a good
gold mutual fund of which there are many, minning companies etc.
At $1570 an oz it's pricey now, some say it could hit 2-3000 oz but at
this point I wouldn't bet the farm on it. It can go down as fast as up.
Hedge against inflation and protection against financial collapse,
depends on which way O takes us. :)
Kinda like an insurance policy.

Gold prices are global, Obama might be able to influence, but there are much larger forces at play.

-spence

Gold prices are global, Obama might be able to influence, but there are much larger forces at play.

-spence

Yup, supply and demand, but one of the big reasons it has risen so rapidly, since he has been in office, is the global fear that we will end up following the way of Greece, and domesticaly a flight to safety.

DIS A POINT MINTS

AWESOME

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POKE

Obama Administration Exempting Schools From Federal Law?s Testing Mandate | CNSnews.com (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/duncan-states-will-get-school-testing-wa)

THAT is great. So now instead of fixing the problem of why the kids can't pass-THEYRE NOT LEARNING...let's just SCRAP THE TESTING :claps:

Nice Job MR PRESIDENT.

Just so Spence can't get too wound up..

"The plan to offer waivers to all 50 states, as long as they meet other school reform requirements, comes at the request of President Barack O'bama"

KICK

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15 more months :happy:
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Maybe less If someone would step up and start the impeachment of this turdschlocken
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1 more week down :happy:

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OOOOOOOOOO WHAT A SHAME


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