View Full Version : Suitable Eeling Stick?

08-20-2002, 10:52 AM
I'm currently looking at a used factory Lami SB 136 3M spinning rod (something like 10 feet+). Yellow blank.

It's got a very soft feel, kind of like a rubber band, that would be good for throwing pencil poppers. Bassmaster has something like it that he uses for jigging. :eek:

Do you think it would be good for throwing eels at night, with braided line?



08-20-2002, 11:02 AM
It'll do it but its a heavy blank. You'll get tired I think.

08-20-2002, 11:24 AM
Go light young WeeWalker. No fun a heavy stick is to throw...

08-20-2002, 11:48 AM
Thank you Mike and Obi-John (you do a mean Yoda). ;)

If I might ask...

1) What is/was the best application for this stick?

2) For eeling, would you want a stick with more back bone?


08-20-2002, 01:21 PM
It was an extremely popular all around rod. It can be used for plugs and eels and you can also stick a piece of cut bait or clams on there and toss it out with a 4 OZ sinker. Trouble is it weighs about a pound.

For eeling , a really nice rod is the AllStar 1265/2. The arra 1204 and 1205 are also excellent but more money. The AllStar 1265/2 weighs about 5.5 OZ. Big difference if you are casting all night. I think you'll find the old Lami Fiberglass rod are used a lot by people ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g bait now. They don't have to cast evry minute.

The SB136-3M would be good for bigger pencil poppers though cause its whippy.

08-20-2002, 02:01 PM
WW - usually use a 9' Batson 1088 or 1089 for eeling and occasionally a XRA1205. I go to the 1205 or 1089 when I feel the need for a little more backbone. Sometimes, the stiffer blanks can lead to lip rippin on the eels depending on how you hook them.

I have not yet tried the AllStar that Saltheart mentions but a few people that fish them love them... I would be very curious how well it tosses an eel on the souped up MagE...

08-20-2002, 03:51 PM
My eel stick is a Lami SMB1083 built conventional by Rob Savage of NC. It has a moderate action that really lets me lay into it. Its a little heavier than the graphite blank would be but had it built very tip light so it fishes very light! It has yet to tire me out!

Nice rod and I believe the blank is about half the price of its graphite brother.

08-20-2002, 04:16 PM
Wow, thanks for all the follow-up info folks.

John, you really piqued my interested re: throwing eels with a conventional.

I prefer conventional reels, even at night...seems you can get more fighting leverage on a fish with a revolving spool reel (correct me if I'm wrong). Obviously, distance isn't as much of a necessity at night. But there is the convenience offered by a spinning outfit...

I guess a night-time reel would necessitate a level-wind...if you were going to eel a rocky area (like most of RI), what kind of setup would you lean towards? Would you use a heavy (50 lb. or heavier) braided line?

Swivel connection to the leader? Or tie direct?


08-20-2002, 04:24 PM
I also have the 1083, glass, I like it alot. Mine is spinning, and I use it for eels, and plugs up to 2oz.

08-20-2002, 04:27 PM
FWW - I thought you used convetionals for eeling or are you pulling my leg a little ???

Seriously, if you use a conventional regularly, why wouldn't you consider it for eels. I know there are people that use spinners when eeling that normally would use conventional but I don't really give it mouch thought ( I don't think much).

I also don't bother with non-levelwinds, I'm more than happy to have a mechanical device laying the line down rather than with me worrying about it.

I tie direct leader to line but lately I've been using those tiny heavy duty spro swivels. They are smaller and slicker than the smallest knot I can make with 50# leader (I don't bother with putting glue on like some people & I haven't gotten around to using braids on conventionals). Those spros are less prone to picking up weeds than a big swivel or big knot.

So if you're using conv reels for other types of fishing but not for eels, give it a shot. There is no better way to let the bass pick up and run than with a conventional, and they are alot lighter than some spinning bait runner.

I'm just trying to figure out ways to get an extra 10-20 feet on an eel cast...

08-20-2002, 04:53 PM
To get 10 or twenty feet extra on an eel bigger eels. :)

I like 35 lb Spectron on an abu 6500 reel for eeling . The mag control on a Mag Elite does give you a little extra cushion for error casting them into the wind.

I use a 30 LB Ande leader with the 35 lb Spectron. A good long one.

08-20-2002, 04:59 PM
i use the lami gsb1201m. i wrapped it as a conventional. i match it either with an abu 6500mag non-levelwind or a 145 squidder. both are spooled up with 30# mono. i wouldn't even consider using a spinning set up for eeling. the feel that i need is not acheivable with a spinner. i also prefer the non-levelwind as i can feel everything the eel does. the above blank is a bit pricy, but i am extremely happy with it so far. it is NOT a schoolie rod! i'll put its strength this way: the first fish i caught on it was mid tide at quonny b'way on an eel. the fish weighed just under 25#'s, and i surfed him in......:eek: ..... can't wait to truly test the power of this rod.

08-20-2002, 05:26 PM
When I say "Eel rod" I mean for from the beach. If you are tossing them into Quonny Breachway or the Canal or something like that , you need something heavier than the rods I recommended.

08-20-2002, 05:32 PM
Hey FWW! No one has mentioned rods built on Pac-Bay/Sabre blanks- They're U.S. made and pretty affordable. I built a really nice eel'lin rod on a P.P/S #IGSC1207 that I cropped to 9'6" and mounted a Penn 525 to. The graphite rod is very sensitive so you can really feel when your about to get a hit- the eels start to shiver. The only problem is that I have to teach the eels French because the rod casts so far..........:hihi: Anyway I still use a Lami SSB 1362 a lot for spinning in the suds...It really rockets them out there and the blank weighs 8.75 ozs.-not an awful lot. Go to a custom shop- they'll be happy to let you try different rods out.....Work Stinks- FISH!

08-20-2002, 08:14 PM
batson 1088/1208,,,,,,,,,best alround plug/eel rods

pac-bay blanks are made in CHINA.........not usa...sorry

08-20-2002, 08:16 PM
The only problem is that I have to teach the eels French because the rod casts so far hehehe.... The Azores would be fine enough for me...

The PacBays are made in China and are essentially the same as the Batsons as "Batson" formerly worked for Pac Bay. Roughly the same as the PB, I find the Batsons a little crisper feeling and they are cheaper too. One odd thing about the Batsons is that the take off 2 inches on each one as it is so the 9 footer is really 8-10"...

08-20-2002, 08:55 PM
Originally posted by capesams
batson 1088/1208,,,,,,,,,best alround plug/eel rods

pac-bay blanks are made in CHINA.........not usa...sorry

What he said :D

get a Rainshadow/Batson
nice and light and plenty of stick to do the job.

08-20-2002, 09:26 PM
I use a xra 1204 for eeling and a lami 10' its a grey blank and made only for eeling forget the numers on it.
bet that batson 1087 would toss an eel nice
with braid Ya dont need conventional. spinning is easy and I have no problem with feel mono or braid;)
go with a 10' rod WeeWee
this is the rod U talkin Bout, Its cut down to 9' 10" from 11 feet for tossing Humungus wood and live bait..
136 2 f

08-20-2002, 10:17 PM
IF you want ta toss a big woodie , try a 1209 batson. dang I ran outta line on me reel.

08-21-2002, 09:38 AM
Wow, thanks again fellas!


I guess it's a thing called habit. Most of the places I have eeled on the shore was with a spinning outfit at night...b/c I was too chicken to try a conventional reel loaded with braid. The thought of powercasting a conventional loaded with braid STILL scares the crap out of me. But, the nice thing about eeling at night don't need to powercast!

Obviously, while drifting eels on a boat or on bridges (Anthiers or "Big" Bridge on the Vineyard is an example), I have always defaulted to conventional.

I'm kind of schizo, b/c on the rare occasion I soak a bait at night I use a non-levelwind (with mono) conventional!

You's scary we are on the same wavelength with the swivels. Because I've been experimenting with those low profile SPRO's too!!! They are great b/c they can pass through your guides w/o chipping them, but, on some of them it's a little harder to tie the mono on the eyes tightly. :eek: :smash: :happy:

Some people I know have strong feelings about eeling with swivels. The major objection I have heard from die-hard eelers is that the swivel causes the eel to rotate, imparting an un-natural and thus un-appealing action in the water.

I suppose, and I'm just guessing at this point, that if you use a slow enough retrieve, you could mitigate the rotation of the eel. But I'll have to experiment in the tub tonight to verify! :p

I'm hearing wonderful things about the Allstar, Lami XRA's and Rainshadow blanks for eeling. Looks like I'm gonna have to give Saltheart another call for a special purpose stick! :D

Bassmaster...that stick you have is a classic...does the weight of that blank slow you down after a while?

Thanks again...


08-21-2002, 12:32 PM
FWW - I prefer mono to mono but have been going to the spros when weedy. I have no problem knotting them. When of the reasons for swivels when eeling is because of spinners - not a problem with conventionals...

As for fishing with braids and powercasting? I don't really do either and get by fine with mono on the conventionals...

D Blizard Jr
08-21-2002, 02:56 PM
I agree with you John!

I recently caught my thumb while powercasting mono on a conventional reel, and I would hate to think of what would have happened if my thumb got pulled in on a braided line!!!

The strength & diameter on braid is great, but I think that it is not a wise choice to use on a conventional reel from shore.

Although braid is good for spinning reels... I personally wouldn't recommend using it for surfcasting on a conventional reel.

Mono works just fine & is much safer!!!

08-21-2002, 06:43 PM
Capesams. are they B.S'n me?. My Pac Bay/Sabre blank was imprinted " Proudly made in the U.S.A ". So does their catalog. Where did you get your info?. If they lied to me , I'll raise hell! :af: Check their page at

08-21-2002, 07:03 PM
Wee Wee, Nope... cast all night and day

08-21-2002, 07:12 PM
Don - braid is OK for conventionals I just have not gotten around to it yet. On my spinner, I found out casting with Spiderline can cut a finger though :eek5:

JF - was it a blank that said that? Or a production rod, the rod may have been proudly made in the USA or it might be an older blank...

08-21-2002, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Justfishin'
Capesams. are they B.S'n me?. My Pac Bay/Sabre blank was imprinted " Proudly made in the U.S.A ". So does their catalog. Where did you get your info?. If they lied to me , I'll raise hell! :af: Check their page at

I believe that is a recent thing but you have to also realize as long as a certain percentage of a product is made in USA it can still be labled as such. That's just speculation though, since this is the internet and I can just say whatever I want to:smash:

I think capesams likes Bob Batson :D and for good reason:happy:

08-21-2002, 10:21 PM
THIS could get very long, but I'll not make it so.

1. blank only is made in china, shp. here to usa......alot[penn] an others are built in mexico from the blanks that came from china.

2. how I know this is because I've had very long talks with the owners of pac-bay[sabre]

3. he told me that he had 5000 rod butts sitting on the loading docks waiting to get shp.ed to mexico so they could start building.

4. 1 co. alone there makes 125 rods a day, this is why you can buy them here so cheap.

5. 1 time he started to laugh very hard, I asked him to let me in on the joke, And I quote...he said if you could take off all the stickers on most of the rods in a store that you would find their mod. # on the blanks[made in china]

6. NOW..Bob Batson who was p/bay's back bone got sick & tired of their games left. an took half the workers with him to start up a new co. same blanks, but much better quality[rainshadow] these blanks are like the OLD sabre blanks that some of us just love. but these too are NOT made in the us, again over sea's

7. going back to #5...[I quote] those $455.oo fly rods you see at orv..... shops are our blanks[cheap $ like 35.00]. of corse they'll give you a new 1 if you break the 1 you just bought, not a bad profit.

8. So what you don't know won't hurt you as the saying go's.What go's on behind closed door's around the world would put the public in a tail spin.

9. that $500.oo vs reel/ how much do you think it cost to make?

10. AND yes , I've had long talks w/ bob batson too. when you spend lots of $ with these people ,they start talking back[info] or are they just telling stories?

08-22-2002, 05:52 PM
Capescams, I will get to the bottom of this crap, trust me . Any way, I've been building rods for about 10-12 yrs. now and I've sold several rods on Pac Bay 'US' blanks- and I don't like being a liar. The Orvis ( and others) 'we'll replace it free' scam is'nt news to me .When someone demands an unconditional guarantee from me,I won't build them a rod- they're looking to abuse it. Abuse isn't what fishing is about-It's about learning to get along with our planet. Anyway ,nobody has had any problems with the P.B. rods-but I am going to give my wholesaler and PB a call. Who do you get your Rainshadows from? By the way, I don't use PB components-I know they're Taiwanese (or the like) :D Work Stinks....FISH!!!!

08-22-2002, 07:39 PM
batson enterprises, inc.
sequim.wa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ask for bob batson,,,,owner


please be pleasent when calling,,,,,,,,they are.......thanks

OH... by the way, I use to build on pb too[old ones] the new ones are alittle to muschie now, thats why I use mr. batsons blanks, there like the old pb.....been buildin sticks fa 29 yrs..

08-22-2002, 07:44 PM
Batson Enterprises, Inc is an American owned and operated corporation, located in the Pacific Northwest town of Sequim, Washington.
We are home for the made in USA “Rainshadow” Fishing Rod Blanks and “Forecast” Rod Components. Our History includes more than 30 years of custom rod building, manufacturing, product development, and the supply of rod blanks and components to rod building enthusiasts, wholesale/distributors, and major manufacturers around the world.

************************************************** ***

I copied the above from the Rainshadow site and pasted it here.

I believe that "batson" brand rods are made overseas but "Rainshadows" also by Bob Batson are made in the USA. Suppose to be very nice blanks. I only ever built one rod on a rainshadow. A very light spinner which went (along with 6 other "practice rods" ) for "a give away price" at the Mass Bass Show to one of the guys here for his son. It seemed like a high quality blank to me.

08-22-2002, 07:56 PM
SALTHEART....hope all is many would you like to have, got lots ta play with. Saw your work around here somewhere[pic] nice job.

08-22-2002, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Saltheart
. I only ever built one rod on a rainshadow. A very light spinner which went (along with 6 other "practice rods" ) for "a give away price" at the Mass Bass Show to one of the guys here for his son. It seemed like a high quality blank to me.

And a fine rod it is Saltheart :D

Actually, Jenna uses it also.

08-22-2002, 08:17 PM
Hi Capesam. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm doing better.

I pretty much am only building on Lami , Loomis and Allstar blanks right now. Mainly because its what I've used over the years to fish and know them to be excellent. I am going to try some more Rainshadows though as they are getting rave reviews on the Rodcrafters' and Custom Rod Builder's Guild Boards. I've also gotten some inquiries for custom rods on them so there is an interest.

The six rods I just about gave away (one of which was a Rainshadow) at the show were made from blanks I had purchased way back to practice on but never got the chance. As soon as I got my rod lathe I had to build 3 Loomis rods for friends (No practice runs when using Gloomis blanks $$$) :) . By the time I got time to build the "practice rods" I already had lots of rods under my belt already. :) That's the way these things go!?!?! Those guys (guys I know and have fished with) got nice rods for a song. I hope to be able to do another half dozen "give aways" for next years show for other guys I know but can't promise I'll have the time.

In about a month I hope to be getting more adventurous and would like to meet you and discuss fishing , rodbuilding , etc. Looking forward to it

08-22-2002, 08:20 PM
Thanks Slipknot. Glad its being used and enjoyed. :)

08-22-2002, 09:20 PM
I also got a "test" rod. I only fished it a couple of time, but loved it. Unforunately so did my wife. It is now her rod. Thats ok cause there is another coming, and I have a fishing partner for life.:)

08-23-2002, 07:00 AM
SPEC. YOUR 1 lucky dog,,,,,,,All I get is "get that thing outta here",,,,,,,,,ah want a trade?:D

Love ta get together some time ta swap spit. I like maken rods for the workin man. most say I give my work away. which may very well be true.but they enjoyem more than the 1's with lot's of $.

08-23-2002, 09:27 AM
Good Thread.

Here's what I picked up for $65 yesterday, it looked ok, but l don't know a whole lot about these rods ( my last surf rod was a 9ft combo special w/ a Penn 704Z ) back in 1990.

Here it is:
Marado Tempest
TES102M 10'0' Medium Lure Weight 1 - 4oz Line Weight 15 - 40lb

Will an Ambassador 6500CS reel work with rod, I fished with the ol 704Z last night and I want to use a different reel, i've also got a penn 4400SS that I might use.

I got a couple hits fishing eels in front of Trailer Park in Brant rock last night, but no fish (bad drag on the 704z, thats my excuse, it cant be me), so the fishing wasn't great, but there was no mung in the water,so thats good news for the tourney this weekend.