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UserRemoved
04-20-2011, 09:59 AM
DRUDGE: BOOK TO REVEAL OBAMA'S TRUE IDENTITY? (http://drudgereport.com/flash7.htm)

Dis should be good :lurk:

Raven
04-20-2011, 10:15 AM
cool

Piscator
04-20-2011, 10:24 AM
Funny that wikileaks doesn't have a copy of it, thought they had everything.........

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 11:47 AM
DRUDGE: BOOK TO REVEAL OBAMA'S TRUE IDENTITY? (http://drudgereport.com/flash7.htm)

Dis should be good :lurk:
This will be moronic.

Read a great book the other day about how Bush consulted with leaders of the New World Order before orchestrating 9/11.:smash:

PaulS
04-20-2011, 12:11 PM
It's really sad to see that the birthers won't take up arms to keep this country a democracy while all over the world people are fighting and dying to overthrow governments who don't promote democracy. The birthers must not love this country.

buckman
04-20-2011, 03:13 PM
It's really sad to see that the birthers won't take up arms to keep this country a democracy while all over the world people are fighting and dying to overthrow governments who don't promote democracy. The birthers must not love this country.

I beg to differ. If they feel Obama was not born in this country and are willing to stand up against those that call them crazy, then they must love this country very much.

RIROCKHOUND
04-20-2011, 03:41 PM
BILL O'REILLY: President Obama Has A Birth Certificate (http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-oreilly-obama-has-a-birth-certificate-video-2011-4)

buckman
04-20-2011, 04:09 PM
BILL O'REILLY: President Obama Has A Birth Certificate (http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-oreilly-obama-has-a-birth-certificate-video-2011-4)

Fox is a joke.:rotf2:

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 05:29 PM
I beg to differ. If they feel Obama was not born in this country and are willing to stand up against those that call them crazy, then they must love this country very much.
Or they are grasping at straws because the other guy's crook was elected over the crook they support.

PaulS
04-20-2011, 06:03 PM
I beg to differ. If they feel Obama was not born in this country and are willing to stand up against those that call them crazy, then they must love this country very much.

How is just complaining about it doing anything? They should take up the arms that we heard about. In Libya they're fighting and dieing for democracy.

buckman
04-20-2011, 07:57 PM
How is just complaining about it doing anything? They should take up the arms that we heard about. In Libya they're fighting and dieing for democracy.

I'm not sure we are ready for that?????
Isn't this whole Libya thing over with yet? Didn't Obama brag that he would only take "days" to do what Bush took 9 years ( what ever math he used for that) to do???

Swimmer
04-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Trump alledgedly has had a team of P.I.'s scouring HI. looking for the truth.

You know, in retrospect, I have to show three pieces of I.D. to replace a lost or stolen driver's license, two pieces of I.D. to pass through security to to board a plane, one piece to cash a check, so why doesn't the guy running for president prove he was born here.

RIROCKHOUND
04-21-2011, 01:36 PM
But Swimmer, it's none of you're business...
next question....

PaulS
04-22-2011, 07:48 AM
Trump alledgedly has had a team of P.I.'s scouring HI. looking for the truth.

You know, in retrospect, I have to show three pieces of I.D. to replace a lost or stolen driver's license, two pieces of I.D. to pass through security to to board a plane, one piece to cash a check, so why doesn't the guy running for president prove he was born here.

I want to see them all. Pls. post them online.

RIROCKHOUND
04-22-2011, 08:33 AM
No, no no,
Trump is only talking about this issue because the media wants him to.
Hell, even Minnesota Palin is running from this issue...

buckman
04-23-2011, 05:50 AM
No, no no,
Trump is only talking about this issue because the media wants him to.
Hell, even Minnesota Palin is running from this issue...

Just a little FYI, the whole birther issue started with your party, when in the spring of 2008, Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.



Read more: Birtherism: Where it all began - Ben Smith and Byron Tau - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html#ixzz1KLHD4PzI)

spence
04-23-2011, 06:37 AM
Just a little FYI, the whole birther issue started with your party, when in the spring of 2008, Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

That's not what that article says. What it does say is that Andy Martin (crackpot) started it in 2004 and attacks against his lineage really ramped up in 2007.

That "Clinton supporters" questioned his credentials to serve anonymously doesn't seem to really indicate that the Democratic party started the Birther movement.

Unless you're Buck.

-spence

scottw
04-23-2011, 08:44 AM
attacks against his lineage (racists)

That "Clinton supporters" questioned his credentials to serve anonymously doesn't seem to really indicate that the Democratic party started the Birther movement.

Unless you're Buck.

-spence

but if McCain supporters had questioned his credentials to serve anonymously, or not, it would absolutely indicate that the Republican party started the Birther movement. :uhuh:

striperman36
04-23-2011, 09:17 AM
they do not issue birth certificates in Hawaii.

buckman
04-23-2011, 09:38 AM
That's not what that article says. What it does say is that Andy Martin (crackpot) started it in 2004 and attacks against his lineage really ramped up in 2007.

That "Clinton supporters" questioned his credentials to serve anonymously doesn't seem to really indicate that the Democratic party started the Birther movement.

Unless you're Buck.

-spence

"Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve. (See: Birther debate alive across U.S.)

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008."

I find it hard to believe that the Clinton's could do this too. :)



Read more: Birtherism: Where it all began - Ben Smith and Byron Tau - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html#ixzz1KMCrTk7l)

UserRemoved
04-23-2011, 10:09 AM
News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BIRTH_CERTIFICATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-23-09-58-07)

And I still don't believe it. Records can easily be falsified....especially with what he had at stake...and the money behind him.

striperman36
04-23-2011, 10:13 AM
I think he's going to be King of Egypt or Libya in 2013

UserRemoved
04-23-2011, 10:19 AM
WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME.

I think he's going to be King of Egypt or Libya in 2013

scottw
04-23-2011, 10:54 AM
I think he's going to be King of Egypt or Libya in 2013

Gaddafi routinely refers to him as "my son"...hmmmm?? :rotf2:

spence
04-23-2011, 11:23 AM
News from The Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_BIRTH_CERTIFICATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-04-23-09-58-07)

And I still don't believe it. Records can easily be falsified....especially with what he had at stake...and the money behind him.
Well, that and the foresight to know in nearly 50 years he'd be running for POTUS.

-spence

scottw
04-23-2011, 12:07 PM
Well, that and the foresight to know in nearly 50 years he'd be running for POTUS.

-spence

or Prime Minister

President Obama Wanted to Be Prime Minister of Indonesia
4/20/11
Photo: Courtesy of Barack Obama
New York Times scribe Janny Scott went away in 2008 to research and write a book on the life of a woman who would have never expected to ever become a topic of such intense curiosity: Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who died in 1995. This week, the Times Magazine is running an excerpt of the book, A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother, which not only illuminates the life of Stanley Ann during her time in Indonesia, but provides new insights into the childhood of the man who would eventually become president.

Then there's this anecdote:



“What do you want to be when you grow up?” [Obama's stepfather] Lolo asked Barry one evening, according to Saman.

“Oh, prime minister,” Barry answered.

spence
04-23-2011, 12:57 PM
I'll bet the Clinton's bumped her off.

-spence

UserRemoved
04-23-2011, 01:10 PM
Your killing me :rotf2:

Well, that and the foresight to know in nearly 50 years he'd be running for POTUS.

-spence

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 06:42 AM
Hawaii slams door on birth certificates (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292053)

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 06:45 AM
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg

SNOWBAMA'S live birth certificate.....or so he CLAIMS...

And one issued ONE DAY LATER by the same hospital.

http://www.wnd.com/images/090802bc9.jpg

I call BS on the securitone paper...I don't think this existed back then....

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 07:58 AM
HERE IT COMES

"OBAMA TO SHOW LONG FORM BIRTH CERT "

Breaking news on Drudge. This ought to be good. Look at all the time he's had to falsify it :hee:

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 08:05 AM
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

There you go....

Raven
04-27-2011, 08:06 AM
so that's what's in the red tool box
on Hawaii five -O

wo Fatt has it now...:uhuh:

PRBuzz
04-27-2011, 08:46 AM
Released today via the White House!

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 09:02 AM
STILL don't jive.

Look at the numbers...what he gave out and the picture of the person who posted theirs from the next day....

something STINKS

RIROCKHOUND
04-27-2011, 09:14 AM
Scott:
can you please post your original long form birth certificate?
Otherwise, I can't buy any more plugs :smash:

Christ... even Michelle "Minnesota Palin' Bachman even said this is a dead issue....

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 09:18 AM
Sorry the town hall got closed...budget cuts Bryan :rotf2:

Scott:
can you please post your original long form birth certificate?
Otherwise, I can't buy any more plugs :smash:

Christ... even Michelle "Minnesota Palin' Bachman even said this is a dead issue....

JoeBass
04-27-2011, 09:53 AM
He's provided everything....short form, long form, article from the paper saying he was born on that date,he let experts authenticate the original. I'm totally satisfied and so are most of his opponents.

JohnR
04-27-2011, 10:08 AM
Or he can continue to drag this out make much of the opposition look like idiots.

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 10:10 AM
Will Release Of Obama's Purported Birth Certificate Give Rise To New "Certer" Movement? | The Smoking Gun (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513)

PaulS
04-27-2011, 10:11 AM
I want to see the results of his driving license exam.

JohnnyD
04-27-2011, 10:12 AM
Birthers should be removed from the voting pool.

The Dad Fisherman
04-27-2011, 10:27 AM
I heard he has a low Sperm Count too....

Big Sploogers movement out there now

PaulS
04-27-2011, 10:46 AM
The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

JoeBass
04-27-2011, 11:26 AM
The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Now that's funny!

The Dad Fisherman
04-27-2011, 12:07 PM
The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Or if his Parents had just named him Bob

JohnR
04-27-2011, 12:23 PM
The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.


Ooops - could this be a race card about to throw down? Yeh. cause THATS the reason. Where did I put that "yawn" smiley.

Redsoxticket
04-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Trump placed his bet on red and BLACK won
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UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 12:53 PM
:rotf2:

Trump placed his bet on red and BLACK won
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

spence
04-27-2011, 12:53 PM
Ooops - could this be a race card about to throw down? Yeh. cause THATS the reason. Where did I put that "yawn" smiley.
Without the race factor there likely is no Birther movement. I'm not sure how any rational thinking person could ignore this.

-spence

The Dad Fisherman
04-27-2011, 01:14 PM
I seriously don't think it is a race thing....I really think its a name thing.

spence
04-27-2011, 01:29 PM
I seriously don't think it is a race thing....I really think its a name thing.
It's a combination of factors...call it the "other" quotient if you want, but race is all about lineage which this movement is about. Obama is not like you and me...

-spence

JohnnyD
04-27-2011, 02:09 PM
I seriously don't think it is a race thing....I really think its a name thing.
There's no way it's a name thing. People would never use his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, or emphasize his middle name and try to make Islamic ties.

UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 02:39 PM
Are you being smart or saying this never happened? That was brought up a number of times in his campaign. He sicked his lawyers on every single one of them.


There's no way it's a name thing. People would never use his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, or emphasize his middle name and try to make Islamic ties.

JohnR
04-27-2011, 03:16 PM
Without the race factor there likely is no Birther movement. I'm not sure how any rational thinking person could ignore this.

-spence

What? For real? Because he's black, half black, or part white? YGTBSM.

That's like saying the Truthers are prejudiced against people that fly black helicopters - maybe they are racist for painting helicopters black :devil2: (bad attempt at sarcastic humor).

I'm sure there are people that cling to this out of racism, just as there are people that voted for him because he's black, half black, or part white. There are people that voted for him solely because they hoped it would move the country beyond the racial demons that have been deteriorating over the past decades.

A lot of people hold the presidential qualification to a very high standard which allows some people wittingly and unwittingly to hijack that. But that's OK, keep telling yourself its because of race.

Jackbass
04-27-2011, 03:34 PM
A nail somewhere was just hit on the headOr he can continue to drag this out make much of the opposition look like idiots.
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UserRemoved
04-27-2011, 03:47 PM
They say it's a FAKE designed in Illustrator.

YouTube - President Obama's Birth Certificate PDF has "Layers" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo&feature=player_embedded)

spence
04-27-2011, 03:51 PM
I'm sure there are people that cling to this out of racism, just as there are people that voted for him because he's black, half black, or part white. There are people that voted for him solely because they hoped it would move the country beyond the racial demons that have been deteriorating over the past decades.
The issue here doesn't have anything to do with someone who would vote for Obama simply because he's black...I'm sure there were many but hell, a lot of people just close their eyes and make a mark.

This is about a sustained effort to undermine his legitimacy because he is a black guy with an Islamic name. A quite effective effort in fact to "connect the dots"...Obama is not like "us", therefor his agenda can't logically serve the American interest.

That a lot of Obama policy has been supported by Republicans over the years doesn't seem to be particularity of interest to the Birthers or those Republicans riding on their coat tails.

A lot of people hold the presidential qualification to a very high standard which allows some people wittingly and unwittingly to hijack that. But that's OK, keep telling yourself its because of race.
Obama's birth records have been around since 1961, and validated in 2008 or perhaps even earlier. This issue didn't have legs because of "presidential qualification"...the evidence has always been there that he's qualified to be POTUS.

-spence

JohnR
04-27-2011, 05:54 PM
The issue here doesn't have anything to do with someone who would vote for Obama simply because he's black...I'm sure there were many but hell, a lot of people just close their eyes and make a mark.

This is about a sustained effort to undermine his legitimacy because he is a black guy with an Islamic name. A quite effective effort in fact to "connect the dots"...Obama is not like "us", therefor his agenda can't logically serve the American interest.

That a lot of Obama policy has been supported by Republicans over the years doesn't seem to be particularity of interest to the Birthers or those Republicans riding on their coat tails.

Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

P.S. - Obama's mother is a born US citizen, what else do we need to know?

Obama's birth records have been around since 1961,

Which records :devil2:

(that was in jest)

PaulS
04-27-2011, 06:26 PM
Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.



I don't think for a min. all repubs. or teabaggers are racists. However, I think the vast majority of racists are teabaggers.

JohnR
04-27-2011, 06:47 PM
I don't think for a min. all repubs. or teabaggers are racists. However, I think the vast majority of racists are teabaggers.


Guess the racists I've seen in my life are a lot different than the racists you've seen in yours.

nightfighter
04-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Three pages???? Really???? WGAS???? Not me.More interested in finding a viable, competant replacement.....if I can survive this economy that long....

striperman36
04-27-2011, 10:08 PM
Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/)

Jerkinthedark
04-27-2011, 10:33 PM
I don't understand the argument? Obama is not the first completely non- qualified individual to hold this position, or, the only no substance, stuffed shirt to be elected President. However , he may be the first to get a free pass for his deplorable performance BECAUSE "he is different than you and I". Hope and Change is what I am looking forward to in the next election if one of the parties can offer us a candidate with some actual credentials and not a crowd favorite better suited to reality TV.

UserRemoved
04-28-2011, 04:21 AM
Coffee on keyboard :rotf2:

Afterbirthers Demand To See Obama's Placenta | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/afterbirthers-demand-to-see-obamas-placenta,6866/)

spence
04-28-2011, 05:35 PM
Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

P.S. - Obama's mother is a born US citizen, what else do we need to know?
While I've called out the racist elements I think gravitate towards the Tea Party I don't believe I've ever called the entire movement racist, rather I've asserted they need to own what's spread in their name...and a lot of Tea Party leadership have promoted these and other ideas along the same vein.

Regarding the Birther movement, it seems by the polls that this has infected moderate voters to some degree. While is sure seems like a crackpot theory to me a hell of a lot of Americans have responded to the constant drumbeat by the conspiracy theorists and Right Wing media. Why? I'd go back to the fear of the "other" and hence the race card...

I'm not aware of any other tin foil hat issue gaining so much public support in recent history.

-spence

JohnR
04-28-2011, 07:46 PM
While I've called out the racist elements I think gravitate towards the Tea Party I don't believe I've ever called the entire movement racist, rather I've asserted they need to own what's spread in their name...and a lot of Tea Party leadership have promoted these and other ideas along the same vein.

Regarding the Birther movement, it seems by the polls that this has infected moderate voters to some degree. While is sure seems like a crackpot theory to me a hell of a lot of Americans have responded to the constant drumbeat by the conspiracy theorists and Right Wing media. Why? I'd go back to the fear of the "other" and hence the race card...

As for the racist thing, I'm surprised that you didn't use the opportunity to shape the strategic parly line and combine in Spencers fashion to use the words racist, birthers, republican, and tea baggers all in one sentence :love: .

Part of the problem is the very wide brush being painted. Some people feel (myself included) that a Presidential Candidate needs to validate beyond a shadow of a doubt their eligibility to be President and on the key requirements is Natural Citizen. You can be a naturalized citizen and run for Congress, you cannot be a naturalized citizen and become Vice President or President. That is still the law. Back in the campaign days when people were harping on Obama, many on the left were bugging on McCain because he was born in Panama even though the children of Americans serving overseas (or Government officials) are considered born-here.

A lot of the kids I went to High School with were military brats born in Germany, Japan, and other corners of the world and most were all qualified to be president. The exceptions were those that were born when one of the parents was dual-citizenshiped in the host country that child was born in. A few of my friends had Amercian fathers, German mothers, and were born in Germany when they toured there before. Those kids were considered dual citizenship as well and had to choose their citizenship on reaching the age of 18 and IIRC they were not eligble to run for President.

Now Obama was born in Hawaii, it was a state, his mother is American, that discussion SHOULD be over.

But when anyone wants a high standard to be held for meeting the born citizen requirements they are now painted as birthers.

/rant


I'm not aware of any other tin foil hat issue gaining so much public support in recent history.

-spence

I wish I had saved the link, yesterday on CNN (I think) I ran across an article where they were stating that 1 in 3 Democrats thought that Bush was either behind 9/11 or was aware of the plans to do it and did not prevent it. There's your foil hat. A few people here have made comments that indicate protecting their scalps from sunburn with shiny metallic headgear.

spence
04-28-2011, 09:01 PM
As for the racist thing, I'm surprised that you didn't use the opportunity to shape the strategic parly line and combine in Spencers fashion to use the words racist, birthers, republican, and tea baggers all in one sentence :love:
HUH?

Part of the problem is the very wide brush being painted. Some people feel (myself included) that a Presidential Candidate needs to validate beyond a shadow of a doubt their eligibility to be President and on the key requirements is Natural Citizen. You can be a naturalized citizen and run for Congress, you cannot be a naturalized citizen and become Vice President or President. That is still the law. Back in the campaign days when people were harping on Obama, many on the left were bugging on McCain because he was born in Panama even though the children of Americans serving overseas (or Government officials) are considered born-here.

A lot of the kids I went to High School with were military brats born in Germany, Japan, and other corners of the world and most were all qualified to be president. The exceptions were those that were born when one of the parents was dual-citizenshiped in the host country that child was born in. A few of my friends had Amercian fathers, German mothers, and were born in Germany when they toured there before. Those kids were considered dual citizenship as well and had to choose their citizenship on reaching the age of 18 and IIRC they were not eligble to run for President.

Now Obama was born in Hawaii, it was a state, his mother is American, that discussion SHOULD be over.

But when anyone wants a high standard to be held for meeting the born citizen requirements they are now painted as birthers.
I think it's reasonable to expect that US Presidential candidates are actually Constitutionally eligible to take office.

But has anyone ever produced a shred of real evidence that casts doubt on Obama's credentials?

Seriously, does an obviously fake Kenyan birth certificate, and a number of made up conspiracy theories require this kind of response? Has anyone else EVER had this kind of scrutiny? Or more to the point has it ever been used to discredit their entire existence?????

I wish I had saved the link, yesterday on CNN (I think) I ran across an article where they were stating that 1 in 3 Democrats thought that Bush was either behind 9/11 or was aware of the plans to do it and did not prevent it. There's your foil hat. A few people here have made comments that indicate protecting their scalps from sunburn with shiny metallic headgear.
Hmmm, I assume you're referencing the 2006 Ohio University/Scrips poll of about 1000 people that answered:

Question:
There are also accusations being made following the 9/11 terrorist attack. One of these is: People in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to United States to go to war in the Middle East.

Answers: ( respondents)
Very likely 16%
Somewhat likely 20%
Not likely 59%
Don't know 5%

Source: New XHTML 1.0 Transitional Compliant Page (http://newspolls.org/surveys/SHOH33/18911)

Given the wording of the question I'm actually surprised the 20% somewhat likely isn't a lot higher...

Seriously, I've looked at many right wing sites that have made this accusation and using their own links the data referenced doesn't seem to make their own point...

What gives???

-spence

detbuch
04-28-2011, 10:40 PM
While I've called out the racist elements I think gravitate towards the Tea Party I don't believe I've ever called the entire movement racist, rather I've asserted they need to own what's spread in their name...and a lot of Tea Party leadership have promoted these and other ideas along the same vein.


Do "racist elements" "gravitate" to other parties? "Racists" don't have a separate party, do they? Is there something special about "racists" that "gravitate toward" the Tea Party that they alone should be "called out"? Is the Tea Party more laden with racists than any other party or other segments of society? Do you have some solid numbers to verify that? How is the Tea Party supposed to "own" what you claim is being "spread" in their name? Much of the spreading seems to be done by anti-Tea Party types--those who over-hype supposedly racist signs (many of which are not actually racist so are branded as "code" for racism) and ignore the predominant non-racist signs that speak fiscal, constitutional agendas. Which Tea Party Leaders have promoted racist ideas? Do you believe Islam needs to own everything that is spread in its name?

Regarding the Birther movement, it seems by the polls that this has infected moderate voters to some degree. While is sure seems like a crackpot theory to me a hell of a lot of Americans have responded to the constant drumbeat by the conspiracy theorists and Right Wing media. Why? I'd go back to the fear of the "other" and hence the race card...

-spence

As far as I have heard from major "Right Wing media," it regards the birthers as being crackpots as much as you do, and detrimental to the hopes of beating Obama in 2012. Most "right wingers" consider "left wingers" to be the "other", and would more than welcome a greater number of blacks, latinos, asians, and "moderate" whites to join them in defeating the "left wing" agenda.

scottw
04-29-2011, 03:47 AM
HUH?


Has anyone else EVER had this kind of scrutiny?

Has a President or presidential candidate ever been demanded to show his vital records? The answer is a most definite yes. Even Senator McCain had to show his birth certificate, and provide verification that he was indeed born on US ground in the Canal Zone, to parents engaged in the service of the country.


Has there ever been a problem with those vital records, in which people were not convinced by them, or where the records were unclear? Again, this is a definite yes. Both Presidents Arthur and Jackson had issues concerning their birth and records. In the case of Jackson, there was a question as to which state he was actually born in, although he was most certainly born in a state. In the case of Arthur, there was a question that he might have had dual citizenship at birth, thereby precluding natural citizenship, because his father was an Irish national. It is likely that Mr. Obama will end up facing this same question.


Has there ever been a controversy which dragged on for so long? The answer to that is no.

In all the previous controversies, the people involved took it seriously, including the press. They worked to address the issues, to present evidence and witnesses, and obtained legal opinions or rulings. This is where Mr. Obama's handling of the issue is unique: he belittled and prolonged it.

McCarthy is great
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265880/birth-certificate-where-are-indignant-questions-obama-andrew-c-mccarthy

UserRemoved
05-01-2011, 05:06 AM
Obama mocks Trump's presidential ambitions - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110501/ap_on_en_ot/us_obama_correspondents)

Ok this is some funny chit there.

"Obama's presentation started after the wrestler Hulk Hogan's patriotic anthem, "Real American," played. Images of Americana from Mount Rushmore to Uncle Sam were shown on the screen, alongside his birth certificate. And then he offered to show his live birth video, which turned out to be a clip from the Disney film, "The Lion King.""

"After a week when Obama released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate, he said Trump could now focus on the serious issues, from whether the moon landing actually happened to "where are Biggie and Tupac?""

"For Trump's decision to fire actor Busey instead of rock singer Meat Loaf from his TV show earlier this month, Obama quipped: "These are the types of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir "

"And then, as a coup de grace, Obama showed a screen with his vision of how Trump could bring change to the White House. "Trump" was prominently displayed in glittery letters and girls could be seen with cocktails on a Jacuzzi-augmented front lawn."

:hee:

Somethin tells me Donny ain't too happy

scottw
05-01-2011, 05:14 AM
glad to see that the president has plenty of time to joke, party, golf, go on Oprah and fundraise as the country swirls around the toilet bowl :uhuh:

he continues to be the least presidential president ever...definitely at his best when he is attacking a detractor that can't respond at that moment

buckman
05-01-2011, 06:30 AM
glad to see that the president has plenty of time to joke, party, golf, go on Oprah and fundraise as the country swirls around the toilet bowl :uhuh:

he continues to be the least presidential president ever...definitely at his best when he is attacking a detractor that can't respond at that moment

Coming to Boston next month and for a bargain price of 10K you can have your picture with him:rotf2: Pure class!!!

scottw
05-01-2011, 07:07 AM
for a bargain price of 10K you can have your picture with him:rotf2: Pure class!!!

"shared sacrafice" :uhuh:

let's see, now how did that line go?

oh, right...

"no trip on Air Force One to film Oprah ever fed a hungry child"

UserRemoved
05-01-2011, 08:18 AM
Boy I was gonna say just that the other day but figured Spence would come down on me again for poking the dragon too much. :rotf2:

glad to see that the president has plenty of time to joke, party, golf, go on Oprah and fundraise as the country swirls around the toilet bowl :uhuh:

he continues to be the least presidential president ever...definitely at his best when he is attacking a detractor that can't respond at that moment