Heard some ugly stories of surf buds getting held up late at night around the southshore area. Guys threatning to shoot people if they don't hand over their wallet,watch,rod... bad enough with the breakins down the canal in the wee hours..I fish late at night alot when there is really no one around and this concerns me..anyone else hear anything??

Eventually these dirtbags will F with the wrong guy(s) and get their heads kicked in.
Hopefully that will just happen - nobody will know but them and we'll (and the cops) never hear about it...

I wondered about this same thing as I was getting ready to go out last evening on the south shore. To carry or not to carry?? If someone asks me to give them my wallet they will surely be surprised to see what comes out of my waders....... Eventually they will ask the wrong guy to hand over his things.

Where else have you guys heard of this happening recently?

Eventually these dirtbags will F with the wrong guy(s) and get their heads kicked in.
Hopefully that will just happen - nobody will know but them and we'll (and the cops) never hear about it...



we can only hope. a lot of guys i know are licensed to carry.

Where have the vehicle break-ins occuring around the canal? Just curious.

Heard some ugly stories of surf buds getting held up late at night around the southshore area. Guys threatning to shoot people if they don't hand over their wallet,watch,rod... bad enough with the breakins down the canal in the wee hours..I fish late at night alot when there is really no one around and this concerns me..anyone else hear anything??

take my wallet and my watch ,but dont mess with my rod its worth more than both of those other things cell phone too.

If they ask me I'll be handing it over.
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Nothing changes an attitude quite like a boga grip to the head followed by korkers to the face.

Might be time to start listing some generic places where this is happening and more buddy system. I have some places I love to fish solo and some places I love to fish solo but am wary of thugs.

If they ask me I'll be handing it over.
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Screw your rod, and who want's a married man's wallet, I'd go for your plug bag. :humpty:

Might be time to start listing some generic places where this is happening and more buddy system. I have some places I love to fish solo and some places I love to fish solo but am wary of thugs.

I agree!

Where are some of these places?

I haven't been doing well this year in my standard spots and am going to start trying some new spots. I don't want my greeting to be 3 random guys who try and take all my stuff.

carry one of those small super bright led flash lights. I have one that fits in palm of my hand with 21 leds on it. Its like a spot light, the temp blindness followed by the the beat down he'll get with me swinging a club and an igloo ice chest will probably mess up his evening.

:fishin::fight::fishin:

Sounds like I'll be expediting my search for carry weapon. I got licensed earlier this year but haven't bought anything yet. The misses has been apprehensive as to her comfort level of a gun in the house but when she reads about this crap and the incidents of people getting robbed in areas I work, the more comfortable she gets with the idea.

Ya that's an idea !

i wonder if the thugs know we "arnt suppose" to carry on the canal...Im going to have 3 stella sw's i may be packing some insurance from now on at the ditch.....:wavey:

Sounds like I'll be expediting my search for carry weapon. I got licensed earlier this year but haven't bought anything yet. The misses has been apprehensive as to her comfort level of a gun in the house but when she reads about this crap and the incidents of people getting robbed in areas I work, the more comfortable she gets with the idea.Just curious about the length of time from placing your application with the police dept to getting your LTC permit.I placed mine the last week of April and am still waiting for the call from the PD.The detective said appx 40 days.Is it working days or calendar days?

I heard there have been some problems around Braintree/Quincy area. The problems down the canal have been going on for sometime now.Breakins to vehicles and bullying by some drunks and such..There have been some pretty hammered guys fishing down there lately roaming the service road at like 2-3am. Guy offered me some free bait one night and said I would have to follow him to his car to get it a few weeks back..I declined thinking nothing of it, now I wonder what he was up to..I was alone..

I'll be fishing the drop late tonight but staying close to home,,I'l take a dozen fish and a few small keepers for the grill over a hassel at the ditch.. time to check chatam..go see the boys at the goose and fish with "THE GOODS".. least it's safe up that way!!!

Paul, if all we have to do to get your stuff is ask.....can I have your rod and plug bag??

lol. I thought it had to be a stick up. I'm 5' 6'', 155 and 53 years old and I figure if I just hand it over I'll live to fish another day. My days of handing out ass kickings end when I out grew beating on my sisters.

lol. I thought it had to be a stick up. I'm 5' 6'', 155 and 53 years old and I figure if I just hand it over I'll live to fish another day. My days of handing out ass kickings end when I out grew beating on my sisters.


Lol, good one Paul.

I cant see my self getting into a fight with a couple of guys. I would do all i could to avoid/deescalate the situation. I cant see something like that happening with just one person trying to mug you of your gear.

Screw your rod, and who want's a married man's wallet, I'd go for your plug bag. :humpty:

A married man's wallet has his driver's license and that's about it...Paul's plug bag on the other hand....

I would reach into my surf bag, pull out my bucktails, and let them have it!

This is bad news. I usually fish alone, but will keep this mugging thing in mind. No need for this kind of problem.

http://blogs.amctv.com/future-of-classic/death-wish-bronson.jpg

If you know the movie, Paul Kersey had just about enough too...

Just curious about the length of time from placing your application with the police dept to getting your LTC permit.I placed mine the last week of April and am still waiting for the call from the PD.The detective said appx 40 days.Is it working days or calendar days?
The Deputy Chief here couldn't have been easier to deal with and assured me that he'd put my application into the state that day I met with him, as long as my background check came up clean. My application went in March 17 and I had my license in-hand mid-late April. He told me, "The state has been really slow lately. If you don't have your license within 6 weeks, give me a call and I'll check with the state."

According to the MA licensing process, the state is supposed to have the applications processed and the license in the mail within 40 days but those who make the rules are allowed to break them.

If I were you, I'd check in with the person who took your application and I'd be calling the state.

Heard some ugly stories of surf buds getting held up late at night around the southshore area. Guys threatning to shoot people if they don't hand over their wallet,watch,rod... bad enough with the breakins down the canal in the wee hours..I fish late at night alot when there is really no one around and this concerns me..anyone else

hear anything??

I heard of one story of this in Quincy and the story sounded a bit off.
Who are these people telling you this and where did it happen? Did it happen to them or they knew someone , who knew someone, who knew someone?
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A kind word of advice to all you gun packing wannabe vigilantes:

























Don't forget to put the water in...

Can we post the town or towns where this has been reported? I would like to know if I have to be looking over my shoulder when I get out.

There was an article in the Patriot Ledger a couple of weeks ago about a fisherman who got mugged near the CVS on the Southern Artery in Quincy.

There was an article in the Patriot Ledger a couple of weeks ago about a fisherman who got mugged near the CVS on the Southern Artery in Quincy.

Yeah, I remeber hearing about that one. Guy woke up in a ditch hours later???

Should I watch my back on the mean streets of Scituate, Marshfield, and Duxbury?

Yeah, I remeber hearing about that one. Guy woke up in a ditch hours later???

Should I watch my back on the mean streets of Scituate, Marshfield, and Duxbury?
Unfortunately the stuff that makes people commit robbery is everywhere. The places where you would least expect it are where you should keep your guard up the most. I couldnt tell you how many cars have been broken into in my neighborhood, stuff stolen from yards etc. Keep in mind these people arent the ones struggling because of a tough economy, they are drug addicted low life. Our hard work and nice gear is only another fix for them. There is safety in numbers fish with friends if you can. If these jackwagons are carrying weapons ,nothing is worth a shot at your life. The thought of blinding them with my led light and introducing them to my dive knife sounds great sitting behind a desk but in reality I dont know how I would react.

So this "problem" has happened once or twice....... This is basically a wasted thread!

It amazes me how in the world someone can criticise this as a wasted thread.:fury:We are all trying to help one another out here. If it happened to you"FISHING FOOL" or a friend of yours you might feel a little different.:smash: NO ONE wants to get mugged or beaten up and one or two times is too many. Save your criticism please for something constructive and give us all a break:wall:

I'm a quincy resident. If you're fishing anywhere near Father Bill's homeless shelter, you're asking for trouble. I also would be very careful fishing at night at Chappel rock. It's very secluded and the it seems that East Boston's finest have seemed to claim it as their territory.

As I said before I carry my .38 when I'm fishing the back river in Weymouth as much for the coyotes as the rabid heroin zombies.

The last thing you need walking back to your car in the pitch black is a rabid coyote.

Hey settle down. 4 people have asked for specific location and no one can provide them! What that tells me is that this is not factually based. "Give us all a break"? What are you talking about????
Try and make sense (facts)!

PS: I wouldnt loose my things I'd be filling out paper work for the dead guy who tried to rob me!

You said this was a WASTED THREAD!!!! Most of us here are married and have families.We gave you places,Quincy,Braintree,The ditch. Check with the State Police if you want more info.To most of us who fish late at night and have families this is VERY SERIOUS and not to be made light of. Better for you to keep your mouth shut:fury:If someone died how would you feel... college students!!!!:smash:eat some humble pie and don't ever criticise a post like this..:wall:

PS: I wouldnt loose my things I'd be filling out paper work for the dead guy who tried to rob me!

and hopefully not behind bars for killing some lowlife who wanted your fishing pole.

they do happen... I'm pretty sure it was westport last year where someone had rocks thrown at them and a 75yr old fisherman was robbed by this guy,

http://www.wickedlocal.com/westport/archive/x1885878577/g12c000000000000000cce1bfec5755b99363de61b51831fd1 36eaadd8c.jpg
Licino Fernandes Lopes, 22, was charged with armed robbery, assault and battery on an elderly person, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, larceny of more than $250 and intimidating a witness. Two others, one a 16-year-old, are expected to be charged with the same crimes. Four others could be charged with disturbing the peace, said police spokesman Detective Jeff Majewski.

Read more: Fishermen attacked, robbed at beach - Westport, MA - Herald News Fishermen attacked, robbed at beach - Westport, MA - Herald News (http://www.wickedlocal.com/westport/archive/x135736327/Fishermen-attacked-robbed-at-beach#ixzz1QUhx2OKE)


Scum bags....

It happens guys so be aware of your surroundings! And you damn well not pull out you gun if you aren't fully prepared to use it and seriously feel like your life is being threatened.

I wonder if it makes any off you gold VS owners make you wish you went with black.

I suspect if you shoot someone trying to rob you, you'll probably get off, but it will cost you 10's of thousands of dollars and wreck several years of your life.

I don't know this for a fact, but I'd guess if you use deadly force to protect yourself outside your home you will put yourself in a position where you need to justify it in court. That is not likely to be easy or cheap.

Blowing the head off some 18 yo kid who wants your wallet to feed his Percocet habit is probably frowned upon once tempers have cooled. Better to give him your rod and go steal Paul's.

So this "problem" has happened once or twice....... This is basically a wasted thread!

I don't know about the fishing part but you sir, certainly are a fool.

Better to give him your rod and go steal Paul's.


:rotf2:

I used to fish some very sketchy places, but dont even bother anymore due to the losers that hung out in those areas. I got in the habit of never using the headlamp within visual distance of the truck, that way, you can see if anyone is in the surrounding area (canal is tougher with the lights, but doable). Dome light was always shut off in the truck and parked in a darker area so no one can easily see car lights and you. I got good at getting in the car and driving away fast too! The way I look at it, your eyes are adjusted to the night, and you can see someone around or coming at you. Best defense is to avoid the conflict to begin with. When someone is close to you, thats when they could knife or shot you easily...

I've had some very sketchy people approach me and some buddies, - the key was being aware that they were approaching. A 60 pound boga and dive knife out in view is pretty threatening, but if youre off into the darkness its just as tough for them to figure out whats going on and leaves them more uncomfortable than you!

I'm thinking if I'm in waders and in the water and some guy is throwing rocks at me, he is indeed threatening my life. I'm not going to go deeper into the water(for obvious reasons) to get out of range and am certainly not going to get any closer to him for fear his aim may get better.

I'm thinking if I'm in waders and in the water and some guy is throwing rocks at me, he is indeed threatening my life. I'm not going to go deeper into the water(for obvious reasons) to get out of range and am certainly not going to get any closer to him for fear his aim may get better.

what would you do? I'm thinking I can cast a bucktail farther than he can throw a rock (shut up vic!).... But then again he was out numbered.. Maybe one 3oz smiling bill to the noggin would even the odds a little more :smash:

I'm thinking if I'm in waders and in the water and some guy is throwing rocks at me, he is indeed threatening my life. I'm not going to go deeper into the water(for obvious reasons) to get out of range and am certainly not going to get any closer to him for fear his aim may get better.

A reasonable argument, but once you shoot him it is not going to matter one bit what you thought, it is going to matter what the DA and a jury think, and that is probably going to cost you and your family a real lot of money and angst. Count on it.

Couple years ago at a sketchy spot I had a bunch of guys come up on me so I held my flash light in there faces like a cop and said, "Can I assist you gentleman" Loudly. They left quickly with out incident, but if they didn't, i was way out numbered.

Couple years ago at a sketchy spot I had a bunch of guys come up on me so I held my flash light in there faces like a cop and said, "Can I assist you gentleman" Loudly. They left quickly with out incident, but if they didn't, i was way out numbered.

remember the time at eel spot C.? I thought it was gonna get interesting... Always makes you think when a car load of spanish dudes all wearing red walk up on you. :buds:

I didn't mean to start a mid-season chitstorm about locations of vehicle
B & E's. I park in out-of-the-way places along the ditch, and just wanted to have a heads up about anything going on. Some guy stopped at 12:30 a.m. last week and ask how I was doing. I didn't know him I don't think. Thought it was strange. I didn't really return his discourse and he road off.

I didn't mean to start a mid-season chitstorm about locations of vehicle
B & E's. I park in out-of-the-way places along the ditch, and just wanted to have a heads up about anything going on. Some guy stopped at 12:30 a.m. last week and ask how I was doing. I didn't know him I don't think. Thought it was strange. I didn't really return his discourse and he road off.

Frank, if it was last Tues., I think I rode past you around that time, but I didn't stop or say anything because I wasn't sure if it was you or not.

If alone and depending on the spot....I will carry because it makes me feel safer. Nuff said

They may leave you alone if you show them your nuts.
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Throwing rocks? Whats that about? Some kids just being a nuisance?

I have been following this thread and it is extremely disturbing. I fish at night and it's a long walk down the boardwalk at night. I make the trip several times a night sometimes (alone) to go to my rig in the parking lot. My biggest fear so far has been running into a coyote or a skunk. I have thought many times about pepper spray.
I never really thought anyone would want to bother a fisherman. I rarely have anything except my gear with me.
A few years ago there was an attempted rape, during the day in a secluded area of the Refuge. Since then I always make sure I have my knife on my belt and carry the walkie with me. What do I need in order to purchase pepper spray or mace?
I really think this puts a damper on the whole fishing experience and it sad that we have to even think about these things.

about the size of a small egg
put it in a sock...it should be tied tight @ the rock
have the sock hanging out your back pocket

now ya have a little thumper easy to grab
that looks like a rag
only use it where deadly force is warranted.

for coyotes you just HISS like a snake, they go quick
skunks you stand still or back up and or waitem out.

that's it I'm hiring a body guard. I am starting to fear more from the guys here now.:ninja:

I have been following this thread and it is extremely disturbing. I fish at night and it's a long walk down the boardwalk at night. I make the trip several times a night sometimes (alone) to go to my rig in the parking lot. My biggest fear so far has been running into a coyote or a skunk. I have thought many times about pepper spray.
I never really thought anyone would want to bother a fisherman. I rarely have anything except my gear with me.
A few years ago there was an attempted rape, during the day in a secluded area of the Refuge. Since then I always make sure I have my knife on my belt and carry the walkie with me. What do I need in order to purchase pepper spray or mace?
I really think this puts a damper on the whole fishing experience and it sad that we have to even think about these things.

Nothing for pepper spray, LTC for mace.

that's it I'm hiring a body guard. I am starting to fear more from the guys here now.:ninja:

Ill guard your plug bag....I promise.
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I already carry a throw down knife, now I am going to bring a throw down cell phone, they can have it and I'll keep my good one to call the cops after they leave.

that's it I'm hiring a body guard. I am starting to fear more from the guys here now.:ninja:


I'll take the job Paul

I won't even charge you

plugs either




Fishing is supposed to be fun
it's a shame some of the places and times we choose to fish has to be like this. I guess there are bad apples everywhere.
I have pepper spray at home but never felt I needed to bring it fishing with me, maybe I should. there was a bear spotted on the southcoast so ........

:fishin:

I HAVE BEEN FISHING THE CANAL FOR OVER 20 YEARS 2-3 TIMES A WEEK MOSTLY ALL NIGHT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AND HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR A SMALL GROUP OF PUNKS ON THE CAPE SIDE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. KNOCK ON WOOD

I don't want to be afraid but people suck. I used to always feel safe where I fish. Thanks for the critter advise Raven. I see lots of coyotes but they usually take off. I worry about coming up on one and surprising it. I actually had a stare down with a coyote once. I don't know who was more scared. He came out of nowhere on a black night sniffing around my rods. He was 3 feet away from me. Shined my light on him and he just stood there. staring. It was a pup and I am guessing that since I was on the refuge he had never seen a person before. I got tired of staring at him and told him to git. Ha ha he got.
Those nights when it's dark and you smell skunk are a long slow walk to the parking lot. I am going to look into pepper spray for the human predators.

Back River in Hingham

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_in_the_news/White_Supremacy/homeless+murder+MA+9.07.htm?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_the_News

I say if you guys carry shoot to kill, justified homicide !

On a side note,
One day last summer I was in the Sportsman's Den in quincy.
Ronnie (the owner) was helping an older woman (I'm guessing in her mid 60s) with a device that rapid loads her clip, don't remember the size gun .38 maybe.
I thought that was AWESOME !
Would love to be there and see some thug try to purse snatch this nice old lady and end up getting their f^^^ing head blown off !

I HAVE BEEN FISHING THE CANAL FOR OVER 20 YEARS 2-3 TIMES A WEEK MOSTLY ALL NIGHT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AND HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR A SMALL GROUP OF PUNKS ON THE CAPE SIDE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. KNOCK ON WOOD

Wanna-be gang bangers from that apartment complex across the street from the ball field/glass factory/Sagamore post office.

Would love to be there and see some thug try to purse snatch this nice old lady and end up getting their f^^^ing head blown off !

You gonna go to court to see her sentencing hearing too...

Justifiable Homicide is when your life is threatened.....not your purse.

I know its cool to get all "Clint Eastwood" about it.....but you better make damn sure that you have absolutely no other recourse to save your life before you pull the trigger....that includes walking away from a situation instead of escalating it...or you'll end up being Bubba's Butt Buddy or the next 20 to life.

Not saying the dirtbag purse snatcher doesn't deserve it......but is it really worth it for a fishing rod, or a plug bag.

You gonna go to court to see her sentencing hearing too...

Justifiable Homicide is when your life is threatened.....not your purse.

I know its cool to get all "Clint Eastwood" about it.....but you better make damn sure that you have absolutely no other recourse to save your life before you pull the trigger....that includes walking away from a situation instead of escalating it...or you'll end up being Bubba's Butt Buddy or the next 20 to life.

Not saying the dirtbag purse snatcher doesn't deserve it......but is it really worth it for a fishing rod, or a plug bag.

Great point. If you shoot and kill an unarmed person (especially one with no violent criminal history), it's gonna be tough to justify self defense. Spending years in jail away from your family would be much worse than losing some fishing gear.

Even if you were able to stay out of jail, would you be able to live knowing that you took someone else's life over some replaceable stuff?

To me its not right the way the MA shooting criteria leaves all the burden on the person being attacked in the first place. In MA you need to stand on your head and do everything possible to try to run away etc when despite you minding your own business someone comes along who is willing to do violence to steal your property. Will he kill you? How do you know?

This is an absolutely true stury. I have a friend from Peterborough , NH who was held up at gun point on the main drag through Peterborough. The guy demanded his wallet. He took out his wallet and handed it to the guy. The guy shot him point blank in the stomach and walked away. Just shot him for the hell of it despite my friend readily handing over the wallet. Now I am far from bloodthirsty but I think the use of a gun should extend to protecting your property too.

I was approached once at a very remote spot at the canal by a guy in street cloths (not waders etc) who had to worm his way through 25 feet of brush to get to where I was. He stands still hidden in the bushes and asks me , "are you alone"? Not how's the fishing or are they biting , etc. "Are you alone". Fortunately I was actually fishing with Tim and Charlie from SOL and they started yelling at me like what was I doing talking to the bushes. As soon as this guy saw I was not alone , he turned and ran away.

Now I did not see a gun on him but there is no doubt in my mind that he was packing. From that day forward I started fishing much more public areas along the canal and seldom alone anymore.

Now for the most part , you either are a damned fool to approach a guy who spends his spare fun time standing on rocks on the waters edge all night with the intent to rob him unless... you are armed.

Anyway , that's my rant on the subject. :)

You gonna go to court to see her sentencing hearing too...

Justifiable Homicide is when your life is threatened.....not your purse.

I know its cool to get all "Clint Eastwood" about it.....but you better make damn sure that you have absolutely no other recourse to save your life before you pull the trigger....that includes walking away from a situation instead of escalating it...or you'll end up being Bubba's Butt Buddy or the next 20 to life.

Not saying the dirtbag purse snatcher doesn't deserve it......but is it really worth it for a fishing rod, or a plug bag.



You really think someone in their mid to late 60s or older and goes around with a legally permitteed loaded gun is worried about jail.

You really think someone in their mid to late 60s or older and goes around with a legally permitteed loaded gun is worried about jail.


I don't know....do your kid's Grandparents enjoy hugging them on a regular basis....or would they prefer to only do it when they Come during "Visiting Hours"....while a guard watches over them :huh:


....over 100 bucks cash and a $30 purse

Maybe it would be worth going to jail if they gave you conjugal visits.

I'd consider it to avoid X-mas with the In-laws :hihi:

well lets say that you are carrying and somebody pulls a gun on you, If you go for your gun, chances are you are gonna end up dead! It's a lose-lose situation here! Best way to go is fish with a buddy and you both carry!

I HAVE BEEN FISHING THE CANAL FOR OVER 20 YEARS 2-3 TIMES A WEEK MOSTLY ALL NIGHT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AND HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR A SMALL GROUP OF PUNKS ON THE CAPE SIDE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. KNOCK ON WOOD


Ditto, the punks were running through Bourne Scenic stealing coolers with beers in them, swilling them down and acting like idiots. Breaking glass on the access road and stuff. Someone has to actually turn up as a victim here for me to believe some of the innuendo and rumors.

And as far as OC Spray goes, FID card at the most. A new law a couple of years ago made the cost $25.00 for a pepper spray only license, renewable for free the next time around for the rest of your life.

well lets say that you are carrying and somebody pulls a gun on you, If you go for your gun, chances are you are gonna end up dead! It's a lose-lose situation here! Best way to go is fish with a buddy and you both carry!

For thirty seven years I told people the same as above, "when a crook robs you he is going to have his weapon already drawn and pointing at you." In response if your carrying a weapon and try to draw on the crook, the crook is going to put six in you before your weapon clears the holster." And in fact if the crook hits you with the first round, you'll will collapse to the ground in shock even if the round didn't hit you on one of the numbers.

We have this same thread every year. First rule of survival is flight. If you dont consider flight first then any jury or judge might conclude that whatever combat that took place was mutual in some respects. At your home/castle no flight is necessary, but anywhere else.....................just saying

We have this same thread every year. First rule of survival is flight. If you dont consider flight first then any jury or judge might conclude that whatever combat that took place was mutual in some respects. At your home/castle no flight is necessary, but anywhere else.....................just saying

Not everyone can simply run for it....
some are unable to do so because of limmited mobility :confused:
(ie handicapped or can't run...must stand and fight)

how would a judge and Jury look at that scenario?
as i don't see it as mutual... then.

This is an absolutely true stury. I have a friend from Peterborough , NH who was held up at gun point on the main drag through Peterborough. The guy demanded his wallet. He took out his wallet and handed it to the guy. The guy shot him point blank in the stomach and walked away. Just shot him for the hell of it despite my friend readily handing over the wallet. Now I am far from bloodthirsty but I think the use of a gun should extend to protecting your property too.


I was approached once at a very remote spot at the canal by a guy in street cloths (not waders etc) who had to worm his way through 25 feet of brush to get to where I was. He stands still hidden in the bushes and asks me , "are you alone"? Not how's the fishing or are they biting , etc. "Are you alone". Fortunately I was actually fishing with Tim and Charlie from SOL and they started yelling at me like what was I doing talking to the bushes. As soon as this guy saw I was not alone , he turned and ran away.

Now I did not see a gun on him but there is no doubt in my mind that he was packing. :)

Sounds like he may have been fudge packing... :biglaugh::biglaugh:

Sorry couldn't resist....

Sorry to hear about your friend.... Peterborough Diner is some of the best breakfast I've ever had!!!! Hangover breakfast that is.....

When someone threatens you with a deadly weapon (knife/gun) you can protect yourself!

Not everyone can simply run for it....
some are unable to do so because of limmited mobility :confused:
(ie handicapped or can't run...must stand and fight)

how would a judge and Jury look at that scenario?
as i don't see it as mutual... then.

The "duty to retreat" outside of the home has one important exception----you must be able to retreat "with complete safety". If a guy has you backed against a wall, you're surrounded by a gang, or your mobility is handicapped, there is then no duty to retreat.

You're also not expected to be able to outrun a bullet. ;)

Nothing changes an attitude quite like a boga grip to the head followed by korkers to the face.

LOL!:uhuh:

I've often wondered if a full swing of my 11'er to the face would hurt enough to put a normal (not PCP'ed up tweaker) person down. Might get lucky with a brachial Stun..

with a 4oz hopkins on the end of it, I be you could put just about anyone down....

As far as the "with complete safety" on the retreat goes... what do you suppose the scenario is if you are on the bubble weed covered rocks of the canal at low tide... by the time i found my footing up the canal to run, i could be dead six times. Maybe more depending how fast they can reload.

As far as the "with complete safety" on the retreat goes... what do you suppose the scenario is if you are on the bubble weed covered rocks of the canal at low tide... by the time i found my footing up the canal to run, i could be dead six times. Maybe more depending how fast they can reload.

The bottom line is, self-defense comes down to a question of fact for the judge or jury. All aspects of it. And Barnstable County is still a place where the average juror would be more inclined to side with the respectable citizen, with a clean record, over a guy with a record as long as the canal who approached a fisherman minding his own business. Regardless of the nuances of the law, and the instructions from the judge, jury nullification happens, and it happens most often in cases where punk confronts citizen, and citizen lays out punk.

The other thing to keep in mind on the Canal is this---you'd be dealing with the Bourne or Sandwich PD, and they also would be more inclined to side with you over a well-known local POS. You have to get charged first, to be prosecuted. ;)

Sounds like he may have been fudge packing... :biglaugh::biglaugh:

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Seamule strikes again!

Just curious about the length of time from placing your application with the police dept to getting your LTC permit.I placed mine the last week of April and am still waiting for the call from the PD.The detective said appx 40 days.Is it working days or calendar days?Just got a call from the PD.My LTC is at the station.The detective said that there is a high volume of applications in process.Be prepared to wait now at least 50-65 days.Now I have the OPTION.Rambo I'm not.

Even if you were able to stay out of jail, would you be able to live knowing that you took someone else's life over some replaceable stuff?

in a word...YES. if someone threatens my well being and wants me to hand over my hard earned posessions and i have the means to safely (as in mine) defend myself- i would using anything at my disposal. 60# boga, dive knive, 4/0 vmc, and other means depending which state i'm fishing in. just saying...

in a word...YES. if someone threatens my well being and wants me to hand over my hard earned posessions and i have the means to safely (as in mine) defend myself- i would using anything at my disposal. 60# boga, dive knive, 4/0 vmc, and other means depending which state i'm fishing in. just saying...

My point was about dealing with unarmed people trying to take your stuff from you. If they're armed, I agree with doing what you have to do.

BTW, I've seen that rod you fish at the canal. If you can keep them at rods length, you'll have no issues with them getting close enough to you to do anything

would you be able to live knowing that you took someone else's life over some replaceable stuff?

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Heres an article from the herald on the subject....... The writer has his own method for self defense..... check out the "T" shirt he wears while fishing......

ON THE FLY: Fishing with a firearm - Fall River, MA - The Herald News (http://www.heraldnews.com/sports/x135749605/ON-THE-FLY-Fishing-with-a-firearm)

Here's something for you all to think about. I've worked in a prison for 27 yrs. it's only gonna get worse. the do goodders are now working harder to give the scumbags more excuses to justify victimising law abiding people and ways to make us worse than the scumbags.Just remember a dead scumbag can't testify.Just make sure the do gooders don't see it happen.You'll get blamed for protecting yourself.

Here's something for you all to think about. I've worked in a prison for 27 yrs. it's only gonna get worse. the do goodders are now working harder to give the scumbags more excuses to justify victimising law abiding people and ways to make us worse than the scumbags.Just remember a dead scumbag can't testify.Just make sure the do gooders don't see it happen.You'll get blamed for protecting yourself.

Or as some I know use to say all the time, "I'd rather be tried by twelve than carried by six!"

I do know one thing, if I was inclined to shoot someone, I wouldn't post it here or anywhere else for the world to see and supeona (sic).