The deleted thread was interesting. Two guys who know each other. One gets to a spot first. The other is put out and gets nasty. Things escalate. Friendship's get ruined. We all sympathize with the victim, but I suspect most of us have been on the other side to some degree or the other. Let's have a poll and come clean.

I knew that thread would be gone......Gawd forbid someone who acts like a Jack-Wadd get called out for his actions!

Awe man... I missed it. :(
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Shame its someone here. Yea nebe I think it's pretty common in alot of stuff.
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Someone who ought to know better and be ashamed acting that way!

You won't see us North Shore guys acting like that :buds:........:hihi:

Yak Rats have floating rocks......thats the way to fish!!!:uhuh:

Larry,

I'm not taking sides on this particular incident. What happens if there is more to the story or not? The communication has already been shaped and peoples minds had pretty much been made.

Hopefully the parties involved can work it out without too much conjecture from the peanut gallery.

Back to Numby's question. Yeh, its brought out some bad in me, espeically when I see a vehicle parked where it wouldn't have been if I hadn't show that person in the first place. Go one step further and reflect on the same if someone else showed me the spot :smash: :devil2:

Maybe we rationalize we'll only have limited dances with the girl and get all territorial and chancy, and make calculations of risk and reward which are different then we would otherwise do in a normal situation. Something more primal? Competition, fear of Loss, KOTH?

Yak Rats have floating rocks......thats the way to fish!!!:uhuh:

Wrong, Larry. Boats get worse than shore spots in my experience...... by a long shot. Kayakers are far from immune.

I've wanted to throw timmy in a few times but only because he was out fishing me (badly). :smash::fury::wall::rotf2:

It wouldn't work TJ, the stork would just swim back with that big Timmy grin on his face.:rotf2:

or worse yet, with a big fish in his teeth.

God forbid the hero of Team SB gets what he deserves.He got a pass last fall when he tried to jump the spot where Fireman was pounding large,now he gets another pass when he harrasses Rick at pretty much the only spot he fishes regularly.Do as I say,not as I do...Did Fireman threaten the hero? No,just shake your head and wonder.Why did the thread get pulled?Shouldn't people be warned there is an a hole in WPT?Even if it's a fellow SB'er?

I agree with SD! People need to be held accountable for this behavior!

how you treat others
is the most important
thing there is...no matter
what your doing.

There's an A-Hole in all of us...no matter what we are doing. Thats what makes us human (Try Driving w/ me some time :hee:)

Whatever the 2 of them workout is all that matters....its between them...not us.

It wouldn't work TJ, the stork would just swim back with that big Timmy grin on his face.:rotf2:

or worse yet, with a big fish in his teeth.

So very true!

Seems to me there is some tradition to being a hard man jerk out there. A law of the jungle primal type of thing. Almost sexual. You defend your turf and intimidate the upstarts. Drive off the challengers to your harem. The bigger and meaner the better.

It becomes almost expected of fishermen as they reach their peak, the act of intimidating or humiliating others as a sign and privilege of what you have "earned". A tradition that becomes an accepted behavior for the very best fishermen, and one that many up and comers are quick to emulate as they seek status and self-approval through the sport.

I note a strong tone of this in many magazine articles (C Soares in particular) as well. The talk of charter guys running others into the stones, all part of the initiation to the sport, and fair play once you've earned your place. I think it has close parallels to hazing and bullying in other phases of life. I think many of us buy into it at some point in our fishing lives.

There's an A-Hole in all of us...no matter what we are doing. Thats what makes us human (Try Driving w/ me some time :hee:)

Whatever the 2 of them workout is all that matters....its between them...not us.
That's true to an extent, but people can also change. Unless an event occurs and they are publicly exposed they are unlikely to though.
I think many folks here know the person in question regarding this event, but I believe this behavior will just continue unless things are brought to light. Don't just sweep it under the rug.

I'm glad I missed the deleted thread.

Finding someone fishing my spot doesn't bother me much because there's always somewhere else to go. I even met someone from this site who was really nice when I was fishing one of "my" spots and realized it was also "his" spot, probably for longer than I had fished it.

What brings out the worst in me is people who don't respect the fish or the area they fish. Last night, I was fishing the canal with a buddy and we split up for a while. I ended up within earshot of a couple of loud younger guys who were talking about how one was going to keep a short fish until the Coast Guard showed up and measured it and made him return it to the water. I didn't realize the Coasties measured fish at the canal? Anyways, I moved further away and when I went back by their location later, I picked up a bunch of plastic bags, hook packages and a water bottle. For cryin' out loud, take it with you or put it in a trash can. It's not like you're having to carry 50 pound of crap back to your car.

Personally, I think fishing brings out the best in me. Gives me time to think about all the important things in life. My family, friends, career, health, etc. It helps me relax so I can focus in this stuff...the real life stuff. I guess some folks let the fishing experience become a fantasy world, or a new reality and it takes over. If that reality is disturbed its like the end of the "world", the world they create to escape shortcomings in real life.

Based on what I was part of last night, I can see it certainly brings out the worst in others.
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The deleted thread was interesting. Two guys who know each other. One gets to a spot first. The other is put out and gets nasty. Things escalate. Friendship's get ruined. We all sympathize with the victim, but I suspect most of us have been on the other side to some degree or the other. Let's have a poll and come clean.

Things definatly change.. that's for sure... "friends" tend to get a little more secrative if not down right testy...this seems to happen more when you have to work a little harder... I have a life long friend who is retired , thus he has more time on his hands than I do( yes I'm jealous)... he seems to make a habit of calling when he's finding it tough for bass ( or cod and haddock for that matter)... he and I fished together for years, he knows a good deal of the places i fish, he just does not want to invest the time and fuel to go and try them... , since his retirement, he no longer fishes with me, but when he can't find fish during the day, he'll check my boat for evidence ( blood ,scales,flies, general disorder etc.) knowing that i wont wash it or stow anything when I get in @ 2Am and need to leave for work @ 6:30 the next morning.. then the calls begin...at this point, I haven't heard from him since mid winter when he sends me pictures of all the trout he is catching ice fishing while I'm at work ( an invite to join in on the fun is never made)...at that point i have no choice but to LIE about the bass fishing.. because if i dont, he'll be in my way next time, more than likely with a buddy ( kid on the dock too lazy to get a real job and THINKS he's going to get rich selling stripers )... most people that know me learned a long time ago not to ask, I just think he feels entitled... I normaly dont tell anyone ( well maybe one trusted friend, because they haven't invented a torture nasty enough to get him to talk) or ask anyone whats going on one way or the other.. it keeps things peacefull... if the area i want to fish is conjested... I'll move on.. i like running the only diner in town... I just dont want to be forced out by someone i know.. it's a big ocean.. I'll find more fish.. sometimes just not as close...

Recently a member here PM'd me about fishing together, he's a real good guy... but i declined because he fishes out of a Kayak... I still have a few places that are a 'yak free zone, i told him i want to keep it that way.... I felt bad, I truely did.. but I knew, if I took him to the spots that were hot at the time... I'd have a armarda of 'yaks there the next time I wanted to fish.. been there done that..... so.. the moral of the story is.. when it comes to fishing ( bass fishing in specific) I'm just another S.O.B. on the water....:fury:

Look we are all guilty of some transgression at some point in time. Years ago RIRockhound and I had guys following us around because we were catching large. We started taking 2 trucks to throw people off.

It happens. I had a former surf partner who I taught the ropes, go behind my back and pull 3 30# fish out of my honey hole and never told me until weeks later. I was fishing in another location hammering 20s and invited him. he said he was busy. yeah, busy catching 30s in my spot. So it was simple, we never fished together again.

Some people forget where they came from....someone showed THEM how and where once upon a time whether they believe that or not!:uhuh:

I didn't see the original thread, but think I get the idea.

I have never been pissed off about getting to a spot and seeing someone I know there. If someone I don't know is there, yeah, I could get pissed :grins:

If I bring someone to one of my spots, I better have a good idea about the person's character before doing so. If we get into some fish, would I expect them never to go back??? Not a chance, and they could expect the same from me :uhuh:.

If you want to fish alone all the time, then don't bring anyone with you (my inner Yogi Berra talking).

I gotta say, I'm kinda shocked we are talking about who we obviously are... I'm thinking there is either more to the story or they are pulling our legs about a "confrontation"... The apparent (alleged) perpetrator showed me that spot and was very friendly and helpful when I started fishing around here... I just never really took him up on invites... To much like work to me but I was grateful for the hospitality regardless.
.. Doesn't sound right
... Are we sure we know the id of the accused??
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I think it definitely brings out a kind of primal animalistic behavior in all of us. It's funny when you think about it, most aren't trying to make a living on this or feed their family, it's mostly just supposed to be fun, but we are all human and that is just the way it is...., just look at how heated poeple get if something bad happens on the golf course, or at a ball game, or anyplace esle that is supposed to be fun....

When money is involved it can truly show the worst in a person. I'm not talking about this particular instance, just many others I've seen in the past.

Seems to me there is some tradition to being a hard man jerk out there. A law of the jungle primal type of thing. Almost sexual. You defend your turf and intimidate the upstarts. Drive off the challengers to your harem. The bigger and meaner the better.
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I'm going to quote myself, because that's what #^&#^&#^&#^&s do.

I think, however, I'm on to something with the Freudian crap.

Sex is important (until after you have teenagers, anyways). We are wired to reproduce at all costs (which explains marriage, and expensive restaurants). Passing on genes (i.e.sex) drives animal behavior. We are all animals (except Sauerkraut who is related to mold). Animals compete for mates, and try to collect and keep as many mates as they can find. This means they are wired to challenge for, fight for, and defend what is important. It is also why it sucks to wear glasses, but that is another story.

Well for a lot of us, fishing is important. The more important it becomes, the more likely it will trigger the same anti-social behavior that animals use to defend their sexual interests. Which, of course, means the best approach is to get laid before going fishing. Barring that, it is best to fish alone. I hope you find this helpful.

Next week we will discuss expensive reels and penis envy.

i do get a kick out of this "secret spot" stuff. there isn't a place on the striper coast that hasn't been fished hard in the last 50 yrs. i have had guys in their 30's tell me about "their" spot. i haven't the heart to tell them i was fishing the same place, under the same conditions, 50 years ago.
perhaps it is the little boy in all of us.

I'm not competitive so a lot of this stuff doesnt make sense to me. There are a handful of people I am happy to share info with. I'll call them when I have some news but I try not to cross a certain line. I attended a gathering with some guys on this site who in my opinion are some of the best canal fisherman there are - Prior to this year, I had fished the canal and never caught a single fish, and yet I never asked any of these guys for info. I had ample opportunity drinking some beers to pick their brains, Im not comfortable doing that. I've seen guys come to this site as newbies, buddy with some good fisherman and next thing you know they're pounding large. Good for them. Its not me.
I really appreciate some of the people I've met on this site, I marvel at how incrediblly nice many of these people are. I received a few calls this year that put me on to fish at the canal, I really appreciated that info and the people that called me had to put up with me giggling like a school girl since I was so damn excited. Fishing still does that for me. I hope I wont lose that, its the only reason I go. I really have no clue what my point is........

i do get a kick out of this "secret spot" stuff. there isn't a place on the striper coast that hasn't been fished hard in the last 50 yrs. i have had guys in their 30's tell me about "their" spot. i haven't the heart to tell them i was fishing the same place, under the same conditions, 50 years ago.
perhaps it is the little boy in all of us.

i.e. Me? :love:

. I really have no clue what my point is........

but it is a good post:rotf2:

I love to fish. I fish every chance I get. But to me there is a definite etiquitte. If someone is in a spot you move on. If it's an open area you move far enough away that you don't affect their fishing. Plain and simple. I've never climbed on top of someone's spot and I've told a bunch of guys they were too close and to move.That's just plain decency.

Never had problems with friend, but the guys you didn't know that wants the spot right on top of you. Have had it happen during the day and in the middle of the night and it does piss you off. I tend to move away if someone is fishing in the general area I want to fish. Thou can think of one time it worked out, was working a hole on one of the outer Cape beaches, about midnight a couple of guys find me and start to set up right on top of me. Lights on, shinning them on the water, on the beach as they set-up. Pissed off I start walking, the bite where I had be had died, so it was time to move anyways! Found fish again 15 minutes later, so it worked out.

You just never know. A few weeks ago I bumped onto someone while getting dressed at a spot. I was ready first and didn't wait. I hurried to what is the usual preferred spot. This guy (being a courteous nice guy) walked an extra hundred yards giving me plenty of room. He caught a 42#ER and I caught one 26" schoolie. I displaced him into his best fish of the year (so far).
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I had someone camp out on my drift a few weeks ago. I had a bit of a burr up my ass and explained I would be likely snagging his line. We did tangle once and he kindly moved and apologized, and then said he knew better fishing etiquette and shouldn't have stopped there to fish in the first place. In the conversation as he was packing to move I did invite him down to where I was seeing that if we fished side by side (or side by each as they say in RI) we wouldn't likely get tangled and I wouldn't have felt like a jerk. Turns out, he seems like good people and if I handled it better maybe i would have a better fishing acquaintance..

Which, of course, means the best approach is to get laid before going fishing.
You guys are going to have to thank my wife for making me a nice guy.

Not me.I fish alone.Don't provide reports and if I do they are lies.I don't take pictures.I just like fishing and the water.

Why do i miss all the good threads on here before they get yanked. Ive gotten pissy a few times while fishing but usually just bite my tongue and walk away. The canal does bring out the best in us though sometimes. I have told people that we will cross when im drifting eels, i will just drift a little farther and they usually leave. In the surf i havent had many annoying experiences yet. had one little run in on Block last year which kind of surprised me.

...... I picked up a bunch of plastic bags, hook packages and a water bottle. For cryin' out loud, take it with you or put it in a trash can. It's not like you're having to carry 50 pound of crap back to your car.

Actually it's more like 5 lbs. of crap located squarely above their shoulders!

The one and only time I can remember offering to force my will on someone was at the canal, with someone blatantly crossing Tyler's line when Ty was working perfectly in line with everyone else. The guy was wrong, after two times I offered to impose my will to him if he did it again, and explained Ty was casting in turn with everyone else . He moved after realizing I was right , just couldnt understand how to cast with everyone else and tried blaming moose. Thats about the only time I would really get upset.

I will gladly fish with courteous people, I will go to war with others who feel I'm fishing their spot and try and push me out. If someone is already there I find another spot, no big deal. People don't have to earn my respect they have to earn my disrespect.

I don't get to upset fishing, I'm there to relax and have a good time, there are plenty of other spots to move to if it gets to bad, but I have been known to punch real jerks in the face just ask the guy at the bar after the Bruins Game last December

I just don't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about all the chestbeating. Still happy to help others to a point...But I run solo, and mostly in the dark and dawn hours. Have had exactly one other person out fishing on my boat this year, PaulS. But he's from way out of town. Yeah, I do get followed, but tend to stay away from favorite spots on weekends, especially during the daylight. If someone beats me to a place I wanted, they got up and got live bait before I did, that's all... Share solid, no BS info exclusively with one local guy, who put himself through school many moons ago comm fishing all species down around Montauk. He also lurks here and has posted a handful of times. Select others have my cell phone. Other than bait, you won't get me to talk on the radio.
So this year it is more about me... That is me, enjoying each and every fish. Remembering the long winter months while landing most fish, to put the moment more clearly into focus. Released more quality fish this year than I can remember n the past. No Comm ticket this year. No Striper Cup tourney this year. Just fishin' when I can and fishin' hard. Hopefully smart too. Love my boat. Love livelining. Like Joe, Rockfish, I just don't want to have to tolerate others when I'm out there. I think he and I have reached a similar place, in that neither of us will suffer fools...

We are all animals (except Sauerkraut who is related to mold).

LMFAO
:rotf2::rotf2:

There is no such thing as "my spot".

I just don't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about all the chestbeating. Still happy to help others to a point...But I run solo, and mostly in the dark and dawn hours. Have had exactly one other person out fishing on my boat this year, PaulS. But he's from way out of town. Yeah, I do get followed, but tend to stay away from favorite spots on weekends, especially during the daylight. If someone beats me to a place I wanted, they got up and got live bait before I did, that's all... Share solid, no BS info exclusively with one local guy, who put himself through school many moons ago comm fishing all species down around Montauk. He also lurks here and has posted a handful of times. Select others have my cell phone. Other than bait, you won't get me to talk on the radio.
So this year it is more about me... That is me, enjoying each and every fish. Remembering the long winter months while landing most fish, to put the moment more clearly into focus. Released more quality fish this year than I can remember n the past. No Comm ticket this year. No Striper Cup tourney this year. Just fishin' when I can and fishin' hard. Hopefully smart too. Love my boat. Love livelining. Like Joe, Rockfish, I just don't want to have to tolerate others when I'm out there. I think he and I have reached a similar place, in that neither of us will suffer fools...

I like the way you think Ross

You just never know. A few weeks ago I bumped onto someone while getting dressed at a spot. I was ready first and didn't wait. I hurried to what is the usual preferred spot. This guy (being a courteous nice guy) walked an extra hundred yards giving me plenty of room. He caught a 42#ER and I caught one 26" schoolie. I displaced him into his best fish of the year (so far).
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I knew there was a reason I wanted you to go to block with me,,,:rotf2::rotf2:

missed it . This working in the day time stuff sucks.

George your wasting your time with this Dr. career stuff. You should be in the comedy game.

The one and only time I can remember offering to force my will on someone was at the canal, with someone blatantly crossing Tyler's line when Ty was working perfectly in line with everyone else. The guy was wrong, after two times I offered to impose my will to him if he did it again, and explained Ty was casting in turn with everyone else . He moved after realizing I was right , just couldnt understand how to cast with everyone else and tried blaming moose. Thats about the only time I would really get upset.


The guy was probably upset Moose was casting twice the distance he was able too!!!:biglaugh:

Just take real foreigners fishing, they won't ruin your honey holes :biglaugh:

More seriously things I read today can be the same everywhere in the (fishing) world. I have a very good friend, who puts some time in boat fishing (:gh:OK does not count), a real fisherman : I can never tell wether he is paranoïd or not when he says that other fishermen follow his boat :
- we are only forty-ish and we did not invent fishing...
- the water belongs to everybody
- coincidence happens
-...
However I had to sign a blood oath when that guy took me to the right places at the right moment !

Anyway, I can really be pissed off when I see somebody is at a place I would like to fish, but will leave him alone (also a way not to show that guy that he is fishing a good spot, that he otherwise would not stick to, or might not know how to fish :devil2:)

And I only take on my boat people I trust, or do not have the luck to own a boat (and I am very sad when they get one :smash:)
Well I am not as much into fishnig as I used to be, so I do not think that fishing can bring the worse out of me (anymore); however I understand the kind of sad situations it can get people into :yak5:

I have been threatened by someone (well another paranoid, but now in jail : poaching when you are a so-called professional charter guide is not a goog idea) while fishing in January a few years ago, when we were probably the only two fools on their boat in the area !
But I also gave bird-names to people crossing my drifts, or even started the engine and voluntarily ruined the fishing just to show how unhappy I was :wall:

Forgive my poor english !

P.S. I go fishing with Denis tomorrow :buds::wiggle::rotf2:
We will launch the boat at :spam:, scout the :spam:area, catch big :drool: and definitely have a good time :uhuh::uhuh::uhuh:

i dont get fired up about the little #^&#^&#^&#^& anymore, very rarely when i go somewhere to fish will you beat me to a spot, i know when its gonna be bad out there so ill get there way early if i think i need to, not many guys out there gonna start something with me
weve all had the guy who has no clue cast over us,
one day fishing this spring there were what ended up being about 12 of us that just happened to the same area and some guy parks in the middle of us every cast he hangs me up i was nice the first time, a little loud to get the point across the second time, the third time, T.O stepped in and he guy never made another cast, i think he said something like eery time you cast your just gonna hang up that guym hes twice your size and half your age, i dont think id wanna piss him off,
the guys that take it too far need to meet someone who puts them in there place theres alwauys someone bigger or who can kick your assout there keep it up you will find em one day

i got eway bigger problems then someone on my rock

I like the way you think Ross

Me too Bob. I run at 2 in the morning. I am off the water by 7 and I never talk on the radio, (other than to talk to Clammer or RIRock).

one day fishing this spring there were what ended up being about 12 of us that just happened to the same area and some guy parks in the middle of us every cast he hangs me up i was nice the first time, a little loud to get the point across the second time, the third time, T.O stepped in and he guy never made another cast

Tony the Enforcer. don't underestimate his size, and more importantly don't #^&#^&#^&#^& with his drift...

missed it . This working in the day time stuff sucks.

George your wasting your time with this Dr. career stuff. You should be in the comedy game.

But cracking Sauerkraut jokes is a limited market.

I have the opposite problem crowd wise, none of my lame ass friends wanna go out for a PERFECT tide, like last night for example. And its a pain cuz its a buddy system type of spot with a long wade out to the sandbar Waaaaaaaaaa my waders leak, waaaaaaa i gotta work tomorrow, waaaaaaaaa there are noseums. Luckily I rallied my buddy who had just got on the cape... bunch of vaginas

Whos cleaning fish this morning?
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I have the opposite problem crowd wise, none of my lame ass friends wanna go out for a PERFECT tide, like last night for example. And its a pain cuz its a buddy system type of spot with a long wade out to the sandbar Waaaaaaaaaa my waders leak, waaaaaaa i gotta work tomorrow, waaaaaaaaa there are noseums. Luckily I rallied my buddy who had just got on the cape... bunch of vaginas

Whos cleaning fish this morning?
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I thought I was the only one in that situation. I fish 4 nights a week and half of them I can't find anyone willing to fish.
I've gotta find more poeple to fish with.

Karma is a bitch.... give it a few months or next year. so his gaurd is down...... and then Its pay back time when you least expect it.

Why do i miss all the good threads on here before they get yanked. Ive gotten pissy a few times while fishing but usually just bite my tongue and walk away. The canal does bring out the best in us though sometimes. I have told people that we will cross when im drifting eels, i will just drift a little farther and they usually leave. In the surf i havent had many annoying experiences yet. had one little run in on Block last year which kind of surprised me.

I love the canal. Great place to meet new fishing buddies!

47790

I’m pretty easy going when it comes to my favorite pastime of surfcasting but that wasn’t always the case. Many tides ago when I fished for money I often found myself pissed at other fisherman. Each hook-up was $$$. Fishing for $$$ brings out the worst in fishermen.

I’ve witnessed the gold rush shantytown atmosphere on block. Hand guns bandied about, fistfights in the wash, police called down to southwest point to settle disputes. Surf fishing back then was anything but relaxing and not for the faint of heart. But I was hungry for bass back then – if you weren’t aggressive you sat on the beach and let others catch the cows.

I tend to fish mostly alone unless I cast certain spots that have always been what I consider “picket line” locations like lining up on a cobble bar. I would consider the canal such a location where fishing in a crowd should be expected as the norm – especially during daylight. I do like casting in the company of a few guys on this site, Tagger, TattooBob, PaulS, to name a few, as they are good company and very considerate.

Not much “gets my goat” nowadays – although lobster gear buoys are my demon – if I had any guts most wouldn’t be floating “attached” where I fish – but my cooler conscience prevails.

What I’ve also found is that many of the younger casters (and a few of the vets) tend to have no consideration when surfcasting. I attribute this to the fact that many of these new guys didn’t start surfcasting in the more traditional ways of the past. That is starting out with short boots and splash pants, graduating to chest waders, then onto a wetsuit if desired. This gradual transition forced surfcasters to learn how to fish the shallow littoral areas where bass spend a good amount of their time. The younger generation now tend to jump right into a wetsuit and want to swim to the farthest perch they can see, completely ignoring the littoral zone. Because of that many have no clue how to catch shallow water bass in the first two waves and in fact swim right through the bass on their way to that off shore rock in the domain of boats – I call them “I wanna be a boat” casters. This is fine as long as they use some consideration and do not swim right in front of other traditional surfcasters - but many do. They just need a little education.

As I get older I see this surf casting game changing and it’s pretty fascinating to say the least. But I worry that this new generation doesn’t seem to get involved in the issues of fisheries management, public access, etc. This does not bode well for the future of surfcasting.

The deleted thread was interesting. Two guys who know each other. One gets to a spot first. The other is put out and gets nasty. Things escalate. Friendship's get ruined. We all sympathize with the victim, but I suspect most of us have been on the other side to some degree or the other. Let's have a poll and come clean.


There's nothing clean about casting over someone's head while they're out on a perch and retrieving your tackle in a way to hopefully snag them...nothing clean about throwing rocks at someone who swam out to a rock before you did. This incident deserved exposure. We should all be aware of things like this to better prepare ourselves when in similar situations. It's a shame it got closed. Perhaps better policing would have been to delete the posts or replies that the moderator found offensive or pot-stirrish. Closing it won't hide the fact that it happened, but it does hide further details on these types of issues for people new to this sport who may not expect such animosity to arise...but Ti, err John...it's your site. :blush: :hee:

At my age, I can't see me throwing rocks at someone because I'm mad at them. There are other ways of dealing with people that bother me :chatter: OR :fight: This "problem" between these 2 particular people should have obviously been handled differently.

I've had the pleasure of knowing Rick for a few years now. He has yet to do me wrong. I think he's a class act. A VERY giving person. If what's catching was forgotten at home, he is quick to have it for you. Wrong rod for that particular application, he's got one for you to use. Forgot to pick up eels, reach right into his cooler and help yourself. Need a place to crash, find a corner in his home or truck and sleep. No worries, never asking for anything in return. Also not a pompass ass who thinkgs "his way" is the only way to catch fish, he listens as well as gives opinion. With the amount of people that I've seen at his "Fishing" parties, I am surprised that others have not vouched for his character, not that he needs it, I'm just surprised is all. :confused:

I too have fished that area for many years, decades before meeting Rick, not always targeting our Stri-ped friends but fishing in general. I do not recall ever seeing anyone carrying boulders out into the ocean to erect and then have "rights" to their very own personal rock pile, but then again...I wasn't there every living minute to witness it. I still can't believe this went down the way it did. :hs: Kudos to Rick for keeping his head about it, (I think):confused:.

Back to your Poll Question Numbskull, yes...I've been on the other end. My action was to go somewhere else, it's a no-brainer. There isn't always someone to "blame". Sometimes by chance, someone is on or very near where you want to be..."googan" or not. I won't always jeapordize the spot I'd like to be on if someone is around or near it. Shame on me. I too, have lowered my rod or changed my retrieve with fish on, until the passser-byer has passed on by so as not to draw attention to me having a fish. Selfish act? Yes, but I have to be honest, been there, done it, but things like that are FAR from being the worst in me...:devil2:

...and in fact swim right through the bass on their way to that off shore rock...


So many take this for granted Dennis. While out in the distance, I've caught fish latterally as well as behind me. It's always good practice to cast before entering your zone. You just never know.

I also feel that this newer generation who have read some of the old-timer writings, simply want to slip into some type of status-symbol. Your actions create your character, your character defines your soul. God does not sleep. We all need to be better examples, not only for our children, but for our peers as well...far from an angel, I too aim for this goal.

This year, after a number of family crises, I decided that fishing, while still important to me, isn't worth doing unless you're having fun. And having fun means just enjoying it, and what you catch, without worrying about what others are doing, or whether they're catching bigger fish than you, or more fish, or in a spot where you wanted to fish, or even whether they set up too close down-current from you and screw your fishing up.

Some things you just dont do.
Like scope a guys regular spot then jump it at every opportunity and fall back on "I got here first" BS. Then drag all your buddys there cause you dont care, its not your regular spot. And not expect it to come to a head after years of pulling that. And then to cry about it here!? Aw, poor guy
Everyone so quick to look down their nose, but you reap what you sow.

I have known Rick for at least 7 years now and have learned a ton, I only wish I could fish like he does. I do not think I will ever be as talented as he is doing something we both love. He is a stand up guy. I am honored to consider him a friend. I wish there were more people like him in the world.

I was not there the night it happened, nor do I know both sides of the story . Rick has been fishing that area since he was a kid. Most people with common sense would just move to a different spot rather thank confront someone thats on "his rock". To assume that Rick showed up and took his rock is an assumption. So do we have assigned poles on the ditch, no I dont think so. If I want to fish pole 100 but someone is there, there are plenty of other poles to fish and not cause a scene.

Would it make me angry if I showed up to fish said rock to see someone else fishing, maybe. Would I make a big deal of it...no!

Move on and find another spot. Its not worth loosing a friendship over it, but then again this was not the first incident! It's a sad day when things end this way.

I am not judging the other person that was involved, but you have to wonder, did you think by throwing things at them was going to make them leave? Just think about that....


Monty

Some things you just dont do.
Like scope a guys regular spot then jump it at every opportunity and fall back on "I got here first" BS. Then drag all your buddys there cause you dont care, its not your regular spot. And not expect it to come to a head after years of pulling that. And then to cry about it here!? Aw, poor guy
Everyone so quick to look down their nose, but you reap what you sow.

Let me clear something up for you. The spot in question is far from my favorite spot and never my first choice, partly out of respect for another fisherman, and partly because I find other spots more productive. There has NEVER been in occasion where I knew that he was going to be heading there that I tried to get there first. NEVER. We had an incident last year, when we were into them for the third straight night without his presence and he shows up and demands I move. Sorry, no. He set up next to us and everyone caught fish. Saturday night, after getting the hook out of my hand, and after he left, I made a few casts from the spot. That was the first time there this year and I have fished the island a dozen times. Tuesday night, we hit the spot on the way back after fishing several other spots. Am I not allowed to fish a rock even if nobody else is around? Again, I have given him plenty of respect here. Now, on the other hand, do you think he ever came over and moved in on us when he saw our lights flashing and his spot was dead? You bet your A$$. No problem, plenty of room. Had he simply asked how long we would be or done anything more than be a complete ^&^$ maybe it would have been different. My understanding is that he is pissed that I bring my friends out to a spot that I have been fishing since before he had hair on his nuts. It's a State Park, I will fish when I want and bring who I want.

This much I know. If there are more incidents out there, the State Police will simply shut it down instead of dealing with the crap.

Some things you just dont do.
Like scope a guys regular spot then jump it at every opportunity and fall back on "I got here first" BS. Then drag all your buddys there cause you dont care, its not your regular spot. And not expect it to come to a head after years of pulling that. And then to cry about it here!? Aw, poor guy
Everyone so quick to look down their nose, but you reap what you sow.

Your insinuating Rick scoped the spot?? Real strong words, being where it is located . And IMO if he was there first that night, he had every right to be there and stay there. Not sure why the rest happened but it did. Maybe there's something the rest of us don't know but your making it sound like Rick was following him specifically to steal "his" spot. I would think we all have more to do in life than stalk someone for a spot.

I could echo the nice things Gilly and Monty ( and doubtless countless others) say of Rick, and and a lengthy list of my own.

But really, it takes away from the point. This isn't a contest to line up people to say nice things about one of the people involved in order to build credibility for either one of them. Im sure the "supa-visor" of the spot in question could have people line up to say wonderful things about him as well....

The point is - if ANY of the long list of actions taken by the offending person in this encounter is true.... they are well beyond the bounds of reasonable behavior, especially towards a brother surfcaster....

I defy any reasonable person to justify any of those things to me as "ok to do" for ANY reason.....

I'll give anyone a "bad day" or poor singular outburst.... but this?

Pull that stuff in a public place where a cop is standing- and youll be calling the number on Prevost's business card.....

Numby's right - this is learned behavior. you do stuff like that because it get results. The problem is - eventually you will run into someone who isnt smart enough to be the bigger person and see whats to lose vs. 5 seconds of feeling good after throwing a punch. Apparently this person has avoided that experience til now.

Like Derek says... there's ALWAYS someone bigger and badder than you out there, you just dont know when you are going to meet them.

The other problem is that by doing the correct thing ( a la Foley and Hern) and not letting it devolve into a physical confrontation.... you are conceding a principle that all have equal access to a spot- first come first served...

and I think thats the part that rubs reasonable people the wrong way - caught between " wanting to stand up for the correct principle" - and the reality of " i'm too old and have too much to lose to be getting in a fistfight over this like a 7 year old".....

I will always stick up for the principle - but not at the expense of putting my life, livelihood, loved ones, liberty and property at risk.....

Let's try to keep it in perspective - it's fishing..... and respect is a two way street.......realize when you have been shown some, even if you don't necessarily see it "your" way all the time....

I've learned in 20 years of Fire, EMS and Emergency Medicine: you cant fix crazy, or stupid... you can only manage it situationally as best you can, and move on.

Look why don't all of you let this rest. It's between Rick and the other party. Let them hash it out.
Opinons are like &^%$#@. Everybody has one and they all stink.

How this has been handled is probably indicitive of the entire event.
The whining on the internet over a little ruckus, the Im innocent I was just eneded up there, hey pals, I helped you now back me up online, the first opposing post come running back to post strong words, the Im gonna shut it down for everyone, true colors are showing
Wrongs were made, but jumping a better fishermans spot isnt right either

I'm going to quote myself, because that's what #^&#^&#^&#^&s do.

I think, however, I'm on to something with the Freudian crap.

Sex is important (until after you have teenagers, anyways). We are wired to reproduce at all costs (which explains marriage, and expensive restaurants). Passing on genes (i.e.sex) drives animal behavior. We are all animals (except Sauerkraut who is related to mold). Animals compete for mates, and try to collect and keep as many mates as they can find. This means they are wired to challenge for, fight for, and defend what is important. It is also why it sucks to wear glasses, but that is another story.

Well for a lot of us, fishing is important. The more important it becomes, the more likely it will trigger the same anti-social behavior that animals use to defend their sexual interests. Which, of course, means the best approach is to get laid before going fishing. Barring that, it is best to fish alone. I hope you find this helpful.

Next week we will discuss expensive reels and penis envy.

Have the terms "fishing" and "to fish" Become a euphonism in this thread for sex? Just asking because " it is best to fish alone" cracks me up.
On the serious side, grown parents have been known to fight at little league games. I really don't understand this level of agressive behaviour in a pastime. And the heated arguements over the best gear. Good God get a friggin grip.
But sex makes you do strange things...especially when you substitute something else for sex.

Some things you just dont do.
Like scope a guys regular spot then jump it at every opportunity and fall back on "I got here first" BS. Then drag all your buddys there cause you dont care, its not your regular spot. And not expect it to come to a head after years of pulling that. And then to cry about it here!? Aw, poor guy
Everyone so quick to look down their nose, but you reap what you sow.

How this has been handled is probably indicitive of the entire event.
The whining on the internet over a little ruckus, the Im innocent I was just eneded up there, hey pals, I helped you now back me up online, the first opposing post come running back to post strong words, the Im gonna shut it down for everyone, true colors are showing
Wrongs were made, but jumping a better fishermans spot isnt right either

Where does your post come from?
I was not there that night nor do I I know the other party. I met Rick last year and in that time have never seen him act anything but upstanding. I have seen him treat everyone I have seen him come in contact with nothing but respect.
I just can not see what you are saying as being true. I have seen him move out of a spot that is too crowded even though everyone was catching. I have also seen him share or outright give up his spot to someone that has either not been catching or had less time to fish.

I guess one thing you say is true. You do reap what you sow. That is why he can call many on and off the site his friends, that will vouch for his character.

It is a mistake to re-hash an incident like this. Too destructive. It will work itself out with time. Leave it at that.

Better to use it to examine your own reasons for fishing and how they make you act out there.

I know that when I need a big fish fix real bad to make up for stress or inadequacy in my life I can end up too intense and angry. Both can lead to selfish behavior with both strangers and friends. Always I end up regretting it. Awareness of this tendency has done more to improve my fishing than anything else I've learned or bought.

Bad fishing more often comes from inside than out.

Wow George I feel like I just watched an episode of Kung Fu.
Getting away from the incident and into spot protocol I think we are all pretty much the same.When we fish the canal we note where others fish and catch,all of us.If that spot is vacant we may give it some casts.Most anglers found their spots through intel or observation plain and simple.If somebody takes you to a spot and says never come here,those words must be respected.In the boat during comm season for anything,if I see some folks fishing away from the crowd I will certainly swing by and say hi(while pressing MOB). Nobody is stupid,otherwise you go fishless.This goes for any species you target.Many who claim spots for their own found them just this way.We learn to share or move on because we are reasonable adults.My first reaction to this incident was it seems odd to get offensive when you know Rick fishes their regularly and has for years.When you couple that with the fact you sniffed out the Fireman and tried to jump HIS spot it leaves you no leg to stand on (except Krispies).If Rick is a bad guy because he learned a spot that a good fisherman sometimes likes to fish then I guess I don't get the issue. If people start calling a rock theirs,and an island theirs,we are not going to have much left to fish ourselves.

Some things you just dont do.
Like scope a guys regular spot then jump it at every opportunity and fall back on "I got here first" BS. Then drag all your buddys there cause you dont care, its not your regular spot. And not expect it to come to a head after years of pulling that. And then to cry about it here!? Aw, poor guy
Everyone so quick to look down their nose, but you reap what you sow.

First and foremast, Rick doesn't need to "scope" spots. He's put in his time, and its paid off.
Secondly, anyone that's ever walked by this spot has 'scoped" it....its in the wide open!!!
Scoping a spot is hiding in the woods along the canal, or hiding in the dunes at Sandy Neck watching high liners over a period of time.

We fished 2-3 spots in that area for 2.5-3 hours before this incident occurred. We stopped there on the way out and planned to make a few casts before calling it a night. The place was empty!!! A spot doesn't belong to "anyone" until "anyone" is there.

If we had gone down there to jump the "better fisherman's" spot, we would have set up there first thing. All the kid had to do was ask how long we planned on being there, or just move on and return. Instead he goes off on a tantrum ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g eels and rocks. I can't see how anyone can defend that...period!

I had no clue who this kid was before Mon night (Tues morn), but you can bet your a$$ I know now.

I am going to get some big azz cows in 2hours, stay out of my way! I think I felt it move just thinking about it.
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I am going to get some big azz cows in 2hours, stay out of my way! I think I felt it move just thinking about it.
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LOL...Perfect!!

It moved! It was imperceptible but I felt it.

Maybe it just wanted to change positions? You know, shift to the other
side.
No, no. It wasn't a shift, I've shifted, this was a move.

Anyone else sick of this subject besides me?????? Can it just die and move on down the pages, please?

Anyone else sick of this subject besides me?????? Can it just die and move on down the pages, please?

I am. Situation has been resolved. Nothing to see here, please go fishing.

Sea Dangles if I tell u once and I tell u twice that u keep taking my seat at the villa were going to be throwing punches. That's my hole.
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I am. Situation has been resolved. Nothing to see here, please go fishing.

Was there an apology in there somewhere?

Look why don't all of you let this rest. It's between Rick and the other party. Let them hash it out.


Exactly......finally the voice of reason. :thanks:

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I am. Situation has been resolved. Nothing to see here, please go fishing.

And with that, we can put this event to bed once and for all.

I am. Situation has been resolved. Nothing to see here, please go fishing.

Good enough for me. Thank you.