Obama to deliver jobs address to joint session of Congress - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/179007-obama-to-address-joint-session-)

"the president said he will urge Congress to put aside politics and focus on creating jobs during the 8 p.m. speech."

:rotf2::rotf2:



HOW CONVENIENT

"The speech will fall on the same night Texas Gov. Rick Perry makes his debut on the GOP 2012 debate stage."

"It is coincidental," said Carney, who explained that a number of considerations were taken into account when Obama settled on Sept. 7.
"One debate of many that's on one channel of many was not enough of a reason" to pick another date, Carney said.
Carney said that Obama had chosen to speak directly to Congress in hopes that members had been chastened and softened after hearing from angry constituents over the August break."

:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2: :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:
BIG PLAN. Get this azzhole out of office. We got another year of this horse pooooooooooooooo :fury:

Seriously looks to me like he's postured the whole thing to get prime time viewing......

1 million jobs. Ok lets see this. It's gonna fall flat on it's face. No more spending.

your gonna spoil his 4 year vacation....:fury:

hey

coincidental ?

yeah tell me another one

And there is a major hurdle right there.

the F-You mentality. I won't listen to a word he says.Obama can't be right, EVER... lets just stick our fingers in our ears and yell la-la-la-la for 425 days......

I will listen to anything anyone has to say but if I don't like you I'll still call you a turd

:hee:

I think TDF took a smiley out of there

:devil2: :cens::lm:

Brian you don't agree he's posturing this as a political move to make himself look better? Why else would you spot prime time? It's a free tool for him?

Cept it probably cost you and me $500k a minute :wall:

Wouldn't it be funny if Mr Boner refused his request to speak :hee:

Could he do that?

I think TDF took a smiley out of there

:devil2: :cens::lm:


Yeah....it wouldn't show one of them....it just showed the code : rotfl2:....so I fixed it.

This board has always done that if you put too many of the same in-line with each other. Must have to call Geeksquad to get that fixed :D

Brian you don't agree he's posturing this as a political move to make himself look better? Why else would you spot prime time? It's a free tool for him?

Cept it probably cost you and me $500k a minute :wall:

Or, Prime time so more american's can be home to watch it.

but yes, part of it is probably political, of course

This board has always done that if you put too many of the same in-line with each other. Must have to call Geeksquad to get that fixed :D

You're only allowed 15 smileys....you had 16...I guess you're just a Happy Go-Lucky kinda guy :hihi:

He said NO

PICKET: Boehner to Obama on joint session date: No - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/aug/31/boehner-obama-joint-session-date-no/)

I love it :hee:

"extraordinary event" LOL

This is now scheduled to occur during the Republican debate. What are the chances??
He will use the teleprompter to trash Republicans. Count on it.

i export smileys to photobucket
hosted off site

Speech moved to the 8th. Teleprompter must be out for repairs.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Mr Boner refused his request to speak :hee:

Could he do that?

he did one better and had the speech night modified

good call there..... Bugger

I hope he announces a massive investment in Green Jobs :rotf2:

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy
President Obama touted the facility only a year ago

Solyndra was touted by the Obama administration as a prime example of how green technology could deliver jobs. The President visited the facility in May of last year and said "it is just a testament to American ingenuity and dynamism and the fact that we continue to have the best universities in the world, the best technology in the world, and most importantly the best workers in the world. And you guys all represent that. "

Solyndra, a Fremont-based solar panel manufacturer that flared then sputtered, abruptly ceased operations on Wednesday and immediately laid off all 1,100 of its workers.

The shutdown marks a high-profile collapse of a company that received more than $1.6 billion in federal and private funding in recent years.

"This was an unexpected outcome and is most unfortunate," Brian Harrison, Solyndra's president and chief executive, said.


Solyndra workers who were laid off on Wednesday were dismissed without layoff packages.

"They are getting no severance," said Dave Miller, a Solyndra spokesman. "They are getting nothing."

"It's devastating," Campbell resident Matthew Henry said. "There was no compassion."

OBAMA!!! WHERE ARE YOU????....oops...sorry to disturb your vacation

Come help me O'bama

Nahhh he's too busy with his friend boner.

He's off vacation til Saturday

Partisan fight leads Obama to move date of speech - Glenn Thrush and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62417.html)
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I'll watch the debate.

I can always read the 2 or 2000 page job plan later, whenever he
decides to deliver it. :hihi:

Partisan fight leads Obama to move date of speech - Glenn Thrush and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62417.html)
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If I were him, I would have said Mr. Speaker, I'm here to talk about jobs and the econmy, w/ all due respect, #^&#^&#^&#^& you.

If I were him, I would have said Mr. Speaker, NOW THAT MY VACATIONS OVER AND I'M FINALLY here to talk about jobs and the econmy, w/ all due respect, #^&#^&#^&#^& you.

Fixed it

If I were him, I would have said Mr. Speaker, NOW THAT MY VACATIONS OVER, CONGRESS IS BACK IN SESSION AND I'M FINALLY here to talk about jobs and the econmy, w/ all due respect, #^&#^&#^&#^& you.

fixed it again

I didn't say he shouldn'd have done 'the plan' a month ago...

fixed it again

I didn't say he shouldn'd have done 'the plan' a month ago...


Oak - I wish you were the President. I don't always agree with you but I think you may be more-smarters-like.

Please. I don't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone a friend!

1. I have another, what, 15 years to be old enough anyway?

2. ScottW and Jim in CT might officially renounce citizenship and move to ???

3. I'd have to hire Spence as official spin master

I hope he announces a massive investment in Green Jobs :rotf2:

Solyndra to Declare Bankruptcy
President Obama touted the facility only a year ago



This is a great post!!

In May 2011, Obama touted this company as one of the brilliant firms that would lead the way to green jobs, and just in May, Obama gave them a $500 million loan. 3 months later, and they are bankrupt. How did they burn through that $500 million in 3 months, did they have a bonfire? I hope they used solar panels to start the fire, and not fossil fuel...

And yet another example that everything Obama touches, EVERYTHING HE TOUCHES, turns to vomit. He can't get one right by accident, I have never seen his level of incompetence anywhere, ever. If Josef Stalin and Barney Fife conceived a child, it would be Obama.

God get me through one more year...one more year...

I swear liberals believe that green energy is available, it's just that no one wants to pursue it. The fact is, no one can make it work, not in a cost-effective way. No one wants to pay $45,000 for a car that you have to re-charge before you get to the end of your driveway. No one can afford $35,000 for solar panels on their house.

I want to get off fossil fuels. But the fact is, we're nowhere near achieving it. The first person to achieve it will become a trillionaire, and that's all the incentive anyone needs. We will be using oil for a long, long time.

I hope he announces a massive investment in Green Jobs :rotf2:



Prolly be another $80 Billion "Green Economy"stimulus like the last fiasco
that created or SAVED 225,000 jobs at a cost of $335,000 per job.

Solar and green energy will happen and be cost affective at some point, but right now it's pie in
the sky and for the forseeable future we need fossil fuels.

Please. I don't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone a friend!

1. I have another, what, 15 years to be old enough anyway?

2. ScottW and Jim in CT might officially renounce citizenship and move to ???

3. I'd have to hire Spence as official spin master

1 - You're getting pretty close enough to be old enough.

2 - They will emigrate to the Federal Republic of Texas

3 - Leave Robert Gibbs alone in his retirement :rotf2: .

I thought it was 40 or 45 for some reason. Ok, so 3 more years...

Oak - I wish you were the President..

yeah...Lincoln Chafee could be his Vice-President...that would be GREAT :biglaugh:

Prolly be another $80 Billion "Green Economy"stimulus like the last fiasco
that created or SAVED 225,000 jobs at a cost of $335,000 per job.


yup....

A solar energy company that intends to file for bankruptcy received $535 million in backing from the federal government and has a cozy history with Democrats and the Obama administration, campaign finance records show.

Shareholders and executives of Solyndra, a green energy company producing solar panels, fundraised for and donated to the Obama administration to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Solyndra also spent $550,000 lobbying Congress in 2010. Between 2008 and 2011, the company spent more than $1 million lobbying for bills including the “American Clean Energy Leadership Act of 2009″ and the “Solar Manufacturing Jobs Creation Act.”

Despite Solyndra’s recent bankruptcy announcement, the Department of Energy and the White House insist the investment was not in vain.

“The project that we supported succeeded,” a spokesman for the Department of Energy told The New York Times. “The facility was producing the product it said it would produce, and consumers were buying the product,” he said. “The company struggled because the market has changed dramatically.”

HUH?

We build the machines....China makes the panels with our machines....

MUCHO cheaper. We have nobody to built solar panels anymore.

This is #2 right beside the recent failure of Evergreen.

China sucks.

“The facility was producing the product it said it would produce, and consumers were buying the product,” he said. “The company struggled because the market has changed dramatically.”

HUH?
Huh? The problem was that the company couldn't compete because the Chinese Government is subsidizing domestic production to keep the market saturated with cheaper product.

The problem here is just like when a company tries to incubate a new technology. They usually all fail at first, but if kept afloat some will become strong enough to swim on their own. Most of this will happen naturally in the market, but what about strategic industries?

Cutting taxes isn't the solution...we need education and focused incentive.

-spence

What we NEED is a president that will unite the people for a common cause not this schlep whose been pandering to his buddies, driving people apart, and taking vacation every 3rd day from last Thursday.

All while he spends this country into Depression.

What we NEED is a president that will unite the people for a common cause not this schlep whose been pandering to his buddies, driving people apart, and taking vacation every 3rd day from last Thursday.

All while he spends this country into Depression.
Are you talking about Bush?

-spence

Huh? The problem was that the company couldn't compete because the Chinese Government -spence

it's Bush...it's the Chinese...it's Bad Luck...it's earthquakes, tsunamis and hurricanes...it's "Typical White People", it's the Tea Party.....Global Warming....Global Cooling....Sarah Palin....those RELIGEOUS(except Muslim radicals) people....the rich(except the ones that donate to and support Obama but don't pay their taxes).........it's always someone or something else and it's getting really...really tiresome

are Chinese Government subsidies responsible for these too?

"Last week Obama toured to much fanfare a Johnson Controls plant in Michigan where $300 million in conservation grants produced 150 jobs — at a cost of $2 million per position."

Evergreen Solar Inc is a "Massachusetts company that the White House once said 'is hoping to hire 90 to 100 people' thanks to stimulus money has $485.6 million in debt. Evergreen closed a factory in March, reports the Boston Herald, and cut 800 jobs. A Michigan plant is to be shut down, as well, causing the loss of even more jobs."

"Green Vehicles of Salinas, Calif., which has burned through more than $500,000 in money 'invested' by the city, folded last month without having produced anything of significance. The company promised it would employ about 70 and pay back Salinas taxpayers with $700,000 a year in city taxes."

In Seattle, "a $20 million federal grant for home weatherization has, according to KOMO news, retrofitted only three houses and created 14 jobs in more than a year."

Green Bus Biz Fails: Government Planners Pick a Loser … and Stick With It By Tom Gantert | Aug. 1, 2011

Fisher CoachWorks was a Michigan hybrid vehicle “green” start-up company that the state hoped to claim as one of the “success stories” for the state’s premier economic development program. Former Gov. Jennifer Granholm championed the company in a September 2009 news release, saying it was part of Michigan’s “new energy” economy. Some estimates showed that it would create 530-plus jobs.

Instead, the Michigan Economic Development Corporation lost taxpayers $1.6 million on the deal, but not until after an organization-wide effort to save the company.

Six months after the governor publicly praised Fisher, a Feb. 15, 2010, MEDC memo stated that Fisher CoachWorks had failed to meet two performance “milestones” as part of its $2.6 million total loan agreement with the state. The memo asserted that if the MEDC didn’t give Fisher CoachWorks the $1 million remaining from the initial loan deal and then allow it to change its benchmarks, then “the company will most probably be dissolved.”

On March 15, 2010, Fisher sent an email to the MEDC notifying it of plans to shut down and lay off all of their employees. The announcement that the company was going down set off a flurry of MEDC activity to try to find the company some money.

Leslie Smith, then MEDC’s director of business acceleration, wrote in a March 29, 2010, email, “I’m pulling together all of the forces of MEDC” to help find a way to salvage Fisher CoachWorks.

According to one staff email dated April 9, 2010, the MEDC tried to convince the Flint Mass Transit Authority to give $2.2 million of its federal stimulus “development” money to Fisher CoachWorks.

there are more too :uhuh:


wait...forgot Europe

Obama blames Europe for his Green Jobs failure
byConn Carroll Senior Editorial Writer
Follow on Twitter:@conncarroll

President Obama is blaming cuts in European solar power subsidies for his administration's half-a-billion dollar bad bet on a failed green collar California firm.

What????...I thought it was the Chinese Government Subsidies that were to blame...it's the lack of European Government Subsidies now....he should just BLAME THE WORLD

Huh? The problem was that the company couldn't compete because the Chinese Government
-spence

maybe this was the problem:uhuh:

The Government Accountability Office would later single out the Solyndra deal as an example of the government’s failing to fully vet such arrangements before approving the loan guarantees. With all those stimulus dollars burning a hole in its pocket, the Obama administration was overeager to get them spent. “If you don’t have really strong processes in place, and if you’re under pressure to get a lot of these dollars allocated, you can make unproductive decisions and ones that ultimately put taxpayers’ dollars at risk,” GAO analyst Franklin Rusco said. In fact, the administration announced its commitment to the loan guarantees before the required outside reviews were even in hand.

Government offices should be the first to go solar
at least in the sunnier states in the south west...

i think the plan will be to play more golf with Boner

Bush? That's the best spin you could come up with? :smash:

I'm disappointed Spence. I would have thought you could have done better.

I'd love to see Bush finish out the remainder of this schlep's time. Hell I'd love to see Minny Mouse do it too! Anyone is better than this jwad.

Are you talking about Bush?

-spence

Speaking of Mini mouse
maybe Michelle obama is secretly running this country :think:

What we NEED is a president that will unite the people for a common cause

.

The man needs to step upto the plate and become an inspiring
leader in order to unite the country, instead of being in constant
campaingn mode and playing the blame game.

He needs to be a man, admit the failures and do what he was elected to do,
lead.

What we NEED is a president that will unite the people for a common cause

Can you name a single candidate that has this in his message and not "OH ITS THEIR FAULT"?

You might wake the VP! :rotf2:

I only hope that the Dems don't ever get involved with the F&G and the fresh/salt water fisheries. With their current track record with "green" industry, they would effectively finance the extintion of the fishing industry all by themselves!

So far we have Deval Patrick's goose egg "Evergreen" and now Obama's love child "Solyndra". What else can they touch that will wither and die?

maybe this was the problem:uhuh:

The Government Accountability Office would later single out the Solyndra deal as an example of the government’s failing to fully vet such arrangements before approving the loan guarantees. With all those stimulus dollars burning a hole in its pocket, the Obama administration was overeager to get them spent. “If you don’t have really strong processes in place, and if you’re under pressure to get a lot of these dollars allocated, you can make unproductive decisions and ones that ultimately put taxpayers’ dollars at risk,” GAO analyst Franklin Rusco said. In fact, the administration announced its commitment to the loan guarantees before the required outside reviews were even in hand.
That's a different issue.

It's fine to argue due diligence wasn't done, but that's not necessarily why the company folded.

-spence

That's a different issue.

It's fine to argue due diligence wasn't done, but that's not necessarily why the company folded.

-spence

due dilligence not being done often results in things folding

it all relates to the same issue and in particular, this issue...."unproductive decisions and ones that ultimately put taxpayers’ dollars at risk" through foolish Government Subsidies that don't pan out because coincidentally, too many Chinese Government Subsidies and not enough European Government subsidies, bad business plan hastily funded thanks to campaign donation paybacks....sounds like a complete failure for Government Subsidies...who would have thunk it? the only entity that made out on this deal was the Obama Election Fund

due dilligence not being done often results in things folding

it all relates to the same issue and in particular, this issue...."unproductive decisions and ones that ultimately put taxpayers’ dollars at risk" through foolish Government Subsidies that don't pan out because coincidentally, too many Chinese Government Subsidies and not enough European Government subsidies, bad business plan hastily funded thanks to campaign donation paybacks....sounds like a complete failure for Government Subsidies...who would have thunk it? the only entity that made out on this deal was the Obama Election Fund
You're making a lot of assumptions.

-spence

You're making a lot of assumptions.

-spence

here's some more assumptions for ya....

Beyond the pressure the White House put on the Department of Energy and OMB to expedite the loan, it is coming to light that solar industry analysts were always skeptical of the company's business plan.

ABC News:

While Energy Department officials steadfastly vouched for Solyndra -- even after an earlier round of layoffs raised eyebrows -- other federal agencies and industry analysts for months questioned the viability of the company. Peter Lynch, a longtime solar industry analyst, told ABC News the company's fate should have been obvious from the start.

"Here's the bottom line," Lynch said. "It costs them $6 to make a unit. They're selling it for $3. In order to be competitive today, they have to sell it for between $1.5 and $2. That is not a viable business plan."

Other flags have been raised about how the Energy Department pushed the deal forward. The Center for Public Integrity's iWatch News and ABC disclosed that Energy Department officials announced the support for Solyndra even before final marketing and legal reviews were in. To government auditors, that move raised questions about just how fully the department vetted the deal -- and assessed its risk to taxpayers -- before signing off.

The man needs to step upto the plate and become an inspiring
leader in order to unite the country, instead of being in constant
campaingn mode and playing the blame game.

He needs to be a man, admit the failures and do what he was elected to do,
lead.



:uhuh:

Wait...Wait...Wait.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr. has it all figured out!The Teamsters are O'Bama's Army now.I actually heard Obama/Hoffa chants for 2012!

My god the truth has now come out.The current admin now has an "army". Unions are the single biggest reason why most American manufacturing jobs are now overseas and the unemployment rate is the highest its ever been!Pay a man $30/hr to do a $10hr job WTF to did you expect?

I ain't saying Sarah Palin or the Tea Party is the answer because they sure as hell aren't but you Obama(Union) ball-lickers make me sick and its you that are destroying America.

STOP WORSHIPPING OBAMA and use what few braincells you have left and make an informed decision this time around!

Norman for President 2012 :claps:

Wait...Wait...Wait.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr. has it all figured out!The Teamsters are O'Bama's Army now.I actually heard Obama/Hoffa chants for 2012!

My god the truth has now come out.The current admin now has an "army". Unions are the single biggest reason why most American manufacturing jobs are now overseas and the unemployment rate is the highest its ever been!Pay a man $30/hr to do a $10hr job WTF to did you expect?

I ain't saying Sarah Palin or the Tea Party is the answer because they sure as hell aren't but you Obama(Union) ball-lickers make me sick and its you that are destroying America.

STOP WORSHIPPING OBAMA and use what few braincells you have left and make an informed decision this time around!

Wait...Wait...Wait.

Jimmy Hoffa Jr. has it all figured out!



Ya, you can always believe what the union leaders say.

In 2000 they were telling the electrical union members that
if Bush got in they would loose $15 an hour. My son in law
a member of the union, and gulible at the time, voted for Gore because of it.

Well he worked everyday during the Bush Administration for the whole
8 years with all the overtime he wanted and made mucho $$.

Under Obama he has been laid off for over a year and a half now with the
exception of 6 weeks of work.

There are a lot of his union friends that will not be voting for
Obama.

Cutting taxes isn't the solution...we need education and focused incentive.

-spence

We need to stop spending all this money we don't have. The bottom line is we need to cut spending and unfortunately, (and I really hate to say this) increase taxes in some form or another. Cutting spending will help reduce the deficit. If we only reduce the deficient, we then have a larger debt issue to deal with…….I can’t believe I’m saying this but due to the irresponsible spending of this administration, the only way to get out on this hole is cut spending and have some sort of tax increase (and not just on the “rich”) to get us back on track………….

We need to stop spending all this money we don't have. The bottom line is we need to cut spending and unfortunately, (and I really hate to say this) increase taxes in some form or another.

Ya, hate to admit it but I have been thinking the same thing recently.
Cutting spending and raising taxes could bring both parties in Congress something
to bring them closer to action.

In a better economy it would be a no brainer, but in this economy
raising taxes is a two sided sword.

Iv'e got a feeling Obama will want to spend big now and raise taxes too.

my most anticipated Plan

is for him to retire.

Ya, hate to admit it but I have been thinking the same thing recently.
Cutting spending and raising taxes could bring both parties in Congress something
to bring them closer to action.

In a better economy it would be a no brainer, but in this economy
raising taxes is a two sided sword.

Iv'e got a feeling Obama will want to spend big now and raise taxes too.


There is a place for raising taxes but it is after cutting spending and growing jobs. The problem is that Guvmint only knows how to spend, they don't know how to save.

The argument that sometimes you need to borrow more money than you take in to spur growth and get through bad times is valid but there needs to be a time when you cut costs and pay off some of that largess. Our deficit is forecast to be double out GDP during our lifetime. During WWII it was not double GDP. The politicians spending and promises of the last 30 years has gotten us here.

Stop driving businesses out of the country. Make it worthwhile to operate here in the US.

There is a place for raising taxes but it is after cutting spending and growing jobs. The problem is that Guvmint only knows how to spend, they don't know how to save.



Yup, the key word being AFTER.

WTH, Obama is afraid football will pre-empt his top secret
plan and now it will be given in increments?

400 Billion jobs Package....

where's he pullin that from.... HIS BUTT? :fury:

Nah, he'll just charge it on his Chinnese cedit card.

White House aide: Time for Congress to act on jobs - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-aide-time-congress-act-jobs-113339107.html)

Roflmao

Amazing
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Very carefully calculated and timed
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"It's not a jobs plan....it's a re-election plan"

Best quote of the day.

McConnell: "This Isn't A Jobs Plan, It's A Re-Election Plan" | RealClearPolitics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/08/mcconnell_this_isnt_a_jobs_plan_its_a_re-election_plan.html)

First impression, great campaighn speech.
Emergency, Emergency.
"Pass this Bill Right Now". I counted it 8 times in the first 8 mins.
Very disapointing secret plan, no silver bullet as he lead us to believe.

Just like Obamacare and Stimulus get it passed before any body can read it

Same old same old.

First impression, great campaighn speech.
Emergency, Emergency.
"Pass this Bill Right Now". I counted it 8 times in the first 8 mins.
Very disapointing secret plan, no silver bullet as he lead us to believe.

Just like Obamacare and Stimulus get it passed before any body can read it

Same old same old.
The Admin for the past week and a half has been saying this speech wouldn't offer a silver bullet.

It was a decent speech and seemed to get a good amount of GOP applause.

The real measure of success here is if Obama can work with Republicans in Congress to actually get something passed. Considering many of the proposals he's trying to lead from the middle (again) which hasn't worked before as Boehner can't control his own house.

If *any* legislation is passed Obama will be able to call this a success. Republicans in the next election are going to start fearing an obstructionist label.

-spence

He's going to pay for this plan by wwwwwwhat?

The Admin for the past week and a half has been saying this speech wouldn't offer a silver bullet.

It was a decent speech and seemed to get a good amount of GOP applause.

The real measure of success here is if Obama can work with Republicans in Congress to actually get something passed. Considering many of the proposals he's trying to lead from the middle (again) which hasn't worked before as Boehner can't control his own house.

If *any* legislation is passed Obama will be able to call this a success. Republicans in the next election are going to start fearing an obstructionist label.

-spence


And here I was thinking jobs and the economy were the measure of success. WTF was I thinking?

And here I was thinking jobs and the economy were the measure of success. WTF was I thinking?
It's because you're obsessing about Obama...

If there's collaboration and a bill the market will respond favorably.

-spence

It's because you're obsessing about Obama...

If there's collaboration and a bill the market will respond favorably.

-spence

I "hope" your right. 35K schools are counting on it.

what other options do we have? Or federal elected representatives have taken off the table any other option.
Walking away from the Middle East?

spin spin spin

holy crap I'm gettin dizzy. :love:

The Admin for the past week and a half has been saying this speech wouldn't offer a silver bullet.

It was a decent speech and seemed to get a good amount of GOP applause.

The real measure of success here is if Obama can work with Republicans in Congress to actually get something passed. Considering many of the proposals he's trying to lead from the middle (again) which hasn't worked before as Boehner can't control his own house.

If *any* legislation is passed Obama will be able to call this a success. Republicans in the next election are going to start fearing an obstructionist label.

-spence

disappointing? Why would you be disappointed? Did you expect something else out of Mr Useless?

There was never a plan. It's the SAME BULL#^&#^&#^&#^& people have been saying since he got in there.

And he wants to spend 400 billion more? :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

What a SCHLOCK :smash: (him not you Dave) :grins:

First impression, great campaighn speech.
Emergency, Emergency.
"Pass this Bill Right Now". I counted it 8 times in the first 8 mins.
Very disapointing secret plan, no silver bullet as he lead us to believe.

Just like Obamacare and Stimulus get it passed before any body can read it

Same old same old.

FACT CHECK: Obama's jobs plan paid for? Seems not - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-obamas-jobs-plan-paid-seems-not-235234313.html)

Everything will be paid for...... :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

YEA BY YOU AND ME FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. :smash:

What a jackwad :spam:

why does anyone listen to this guy anymore?

if Obama walked through the door of your business or home with "A PLAN" to improve either or both...would you give him one penny??????

BOTH PARTIES, are to blame

the only thing republicans want is bozo out of office in 2012. and the dems are caving into them.

Take your pick - Bozo, Slick Mitt or the cowboy from TX. that's what we got coming

None of the above have a plan to get this country on track. Nor does anyone in power in DC for that matter.

we don't matter it's all about being the Prez in 2012

BOTH PARTIES, are to blame

the only thing republicans want is bozo out of office in 2012. and the dems are caving into them.

Take your pick - Bozo, Slick Mitt or the cowboy from TX. that's what we got coming

None of the above have a plan to get this country on track. Nor does anyone in power in DC for that matter.

we don't matter it's all about being the Prez in 2012

maybe the mistake is looking to DC for a plan to get the country on track...maybe the solution isn't a plan in the form of a spending bill from DC...particularly one that will cost hundreds of billions more

maybe the mistake is looking to DC for a plan to get the country on track...maybe the solution isn't a plan in the form of a spending bill from DC...particularly one that will cost hundreds of billions more

I'm too Kenysian not too. I ain't spending anything unless I feel my future, at least some of it, has security. Without consumer confidence and spending the economy of the country isn't running above a low idle.
So what entity should replace the lost dollars not circulating in the economy making the engine run close to full throttle?

I don't see it coming from anywhere, innovation isn't going to change this overnight, there is only one place, and now that place has taken it's money off the table.

The real measure of success here is if Obama can work with Republicans in Congress to actually get something passed.

-spence

What he should have done two and a half years ago, when he
had CONTROL of the House and Senate, was work on a real solution
to jobs and the economy rather then throw$$$ at his stimulus plan
with his "shovel ready" jobs. Lick and a promise.

However that wasn't his agenda, Obamacare was, which should of
been way down his list in importance. His legacy for healthcare was
more important then the economy. Now suddenly the economy
needs "pass the bill right now." Why now and not before? His main
objective now is to get re-elected in 14 months and needs to have
unemploment drop to 7%. All political BS.
I can't wait for his next episode on how we will pay for this.

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If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

He presented something rooted in previous bills from both sides, rather than to continue to be seen as not leading. If I were him, I'd go to every R and D, including Cantor and Boehner, and say here is all the pork you asked for in your delegation and didn't get in the last couple of years, and you can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

Pissing and moaning about it along with coming up with new and unique names for politicians. Oh wait, nope, not coming up with, recycling what the talking heads come up with. :rotf2:

Pissing and moaning about it along with coming up with new and unique names for politicians. Oh wait, nope, not coming up with, recycling what the talking heads come up with. :rotf2:

Ya mean like he's smart?

Smart is over rated unless it's tempered with a lot of experience
and wisdom.

No matter how ya cut it, the man is a day late and a dollar short.

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

and say here is all the pork you asked for u can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

That's what He did in the last stimulas only it was all D's. Come up with something new.

FAIL

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

He presented something rooted in previous bills from both sides, rather than to continue to be seen as not leading. If I were him, I'd go to every R and D, including Cantor and Boehner, and say here is all the pork you asked for in your delegation and didn't get in the last couple of years, and you can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

What a bunch of crap from all of you. Not one of you can tell me why this plan will SUCCEED. Not one. You're all preachin politics which is what the bafoons in washington are doing.
Bryan - if the plan is passed, it will fail. Why? Business (people who create jobs) cannot forecast 3-5 yrs out. The cant plan their taxes, sales, production, etc. No one will suddenly start growing as a result of this or any stimulus and govt. action. If I get more money in my paycheck, im putting it away for my kids education or retirement. The amount of $$$ per worker we are talking about amounts to a few extra beers a week. tax breaks to businesses is good, but its all temporary. You dont run a business on that.
This is not a partisan summary, its basic freakin facts, I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.
When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???
Until you can answer that question, we wont have a recovery. Period. I dont even see anything on the HORIZON!!!

When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???
Apple. but production is oversees.


I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.

So should they just sit back and do nothing?

Your company might not hire anyone or forecast on this alone, but my friend who has a small (5 employees) business (Metal refining) might decide to hire someone and expand his production if there is some incentive.

What a bunch of crap from all of you. Not one of you can tell me why this plan will SUCCEED. Not one. You're all preachin politics which is what the bafoons in washington are doing.
Bryan - if the plan is passed, it will fail. Why? Business (people who create jobs) cannot forecast 3-5 yrs out. The cant plan their taxes, sales, production, etc. No one will suddenly start growing as a result of this or any stimulus and govt. action. If I get more money in my paycheck, im putting it away for my kids education or retirement. The amount of $$$ per worker we are talking about amounts to a few extra beers a week. tax breaks to businesses is good, but its all temporary. You dont run a business on that.
This is not a partisan summary, its basic freakin facts, I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.
When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???
Until you can answer that question, we wont have a recovery. Period. I dont even see anything on the HORIZON!!!


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I've said on here already what I think should be done.

FIRST. CLOSE THE BORDERS.

SECOND. Announce in the streets. You got 48 hours to leave. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. Round up the ones that stay behind and send them to chain gangs to clean Mansfield streets. Send the rest to Spence's house.

THIRD. All welfare recipients must work a minimum of 30 hours per week to receive benefits. Mandatory drug testing for recipients and positive is immediate loss of benefits.

Now... you've cleaned up all the illegals, there's now lower paying jobs for youth and early adults, Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, Mcdonalds, BK, Landscapers, I could go on.

Peons means managerial positions. Bigger dollar earners. Middle Income jobs...

You've eliminated people off the welfare rolls. Now you got people to pick up the trash on the side of the roads. Which brings me to the next......

FIFTH. Cut govt departments now that you have people who will mow your lawn and pickup trash, prune this or that. You could cut Mass DOT alone down I bet HALF the size of what it is right now.

SIXTH. Eliminate perks and subsidies for quasi public utilities. Close tax loopholes.

Man I got friggin work to do. No time for typing this.

You get the idea Bill. I think it's all tied together. Without fixing one you can't fix the other. You can't fix the economy if 30% of your workforce is sending their money earned to Nicaragua, Ecuador, Brazil, Africa or more.







If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

I think the market heard him Spence,

this is pretty good....

Among the Intellectualoids
Devil's Dictionary, Obama Edition
By Ross Kaminsky on 9.9.11 @ 6:08AM

Why, you may ask, are you publishing a dictionary to help decode President Obama's latest "jobs speech" the night after he gave it? The answer is based on the results of a poll by Kaminsky & Associates (polling methodology not disclosed) which asked, "When will you watch Barack Obama​'s latest 'jobs speech'?" The results were as follows:

While he is giving it: 4%
Recording it to watch later: 19%
Never: 59%
Speech? What speech?: 18%

In other words, while more than three quarters of the population has either no interest in or knowledge of the speech, nearly five times as many people will watch/listen to the speech after having an opportunity to access this reference material as will watch it live. It is worth noting, as one digs into the details of the poll results (details not available to the public, of course) that of those who said they will be watching Obama's speech while he is giving it, 61% were members of Congress, 13% were columnists and television pundits, 9% were labor union leaders, and 15% changed their answers after learning that the first game of the NFL season began later the same evening.

The Devil's Dictionary, Obama Speech Edition

Abraham Lincoln: Not the founder of the Republican Party.

Basic protection(s): Any regulation(s) that Barack Obama believes will reduce the ability of financial, medical, or fossil fuel companies to earn a profit, especially any regulation based on the Progressive view that individual Americans are too stupid to be allowed to make our own decisions in the most important areas of our daily lives. Also, any regulation that strengthens the power of unions.

Different theory: Economic policy views supported by history, evidence, and research by Barack Obama's own (former) top economic advisor, but not supported by Barack Obama.

Doing nothing: If referencing a Republican-controlled chamber of Congress, not giving the president at least 90% of what he wants even while passing legislation. Not applicable to a Democrat-controlled chamber of Congress, even if not passing any legislation.

Fair shake: The additional amount of money the government can extract from society's most successful by turning success into a vice and lack of success into a virtue; similar to shakedown.

Fair share: More than you pay in taxes now, especially if you are in the top 1% of earners who already pay more in income taxes than the bottom 95% of taxpayers and who pay nearly twice as much as a share of taxes than they earn as a share of national income.

Fairness: A never-reached situation in which the "rich" are paying their Fair share and Warren Buffet​t is happy.

Help: Buy one group of Americans' votes with money earned by those who pay most federal income taxes by giving the latter group a Fair shake.

Jolt: A policy dramatic enough to increase Barack Obama's poll numbers. A cola I drank in college.

Listen to every new proposal: Tailor a bill based on "suggestions" from the head of the AFL-CIO, SEIU, or AFSCME; Suggestions from Republicans responded to with "I won."

Most fortunate: Hardest working, smartest, most entrepreneurial, most responsible for job creation, paying more than others in taxes, or being part of any other such category so deserving of income confiscation, over-regulation, union domination, or any other punishment the Obama Administration can implement over Republican opposition which is based on Rigid ideas.

Nothing controversial: Highly controversial.

Paid for: Funded by increasing Fairness. Spending increases and Fair Shakes implemented now with the net deficit theoretically funded by a promise of spending reductions later.

Payroll tax cut: A temporary benefit to some working Americans and businesses to be Paid for by creating a permanent penalty on other working Americans and businesses.

Political crisis: See "Urgent time for our country."

Right now: When to pass a "jobs bill," in which there is Nothing controversial, because we are in an Urgent time for our country.

Rigid idea: A position based on reading the plain text of the Constitution and thus not worthy of serious consideration, especially if it impedes Fairness or the implementation of Basic protections.

Sincerely believe: If referring to a Democrat, believe sincerely. If referring to a Republican, must be stupid or crazy to believe.

Tax loopholes; tax breaks: Advantages in the tax code that go to companies or people who do not share President Obama's goal of Fairness and who do not contribute enough to Democratic campaigns and thus must be shifted to the favor of those who do.

Urgent time for our country: A period during which Barack Obama's poll numbers are falling, causing him to fear that he will lose re-election and therefore that oceans may start to rise again.

Sounds like what his TelePrompTer reads
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Your company might not hire anyone or forecast on this alone, but my friend who has a small (5 employees) business (Metal refining) might decide to hire someone and expand his production if there is some incentive.

if he had a need to expand his production, he would already be hiring...if he isn't hiring it is because there is no need to expand his production, no increased demand and it makes no sense to add employees, if he gets a tax credit to add employees that really aren't needed because the demand isn't there he's stuck with the overall cost of new hires, bad business model...do you think a tax credit to add employees is magically going to increase demand to support the expense of these new employees? maybe we need a purchasing tax credit for his buyers to purchase more to increase his demand to support the new employees that he will add as a result of the hiring tax credit????

you don't hire unless there is work to do...the left views a "job" as an entitlement and a guarantee with perks that someone is just supposed to provide for you regardless of whether or not you are really needed(see any union dominated workplace) and continue to provide for you even after you stop working....having actual work to do-that's the incentive to hire...not a tax credit from the federal goverment.......there's nothing that govenment can do to "make" companies hire more people....


NY Times
Employers Say Jobs Plan Won’t Lead to Hiring Spur
Published: Saturday, 10 Sep 2011
Motoko Rich


The dismal state of the economy is the main reason many companies are reluctant to hire workers, and few executives are saying that President Obama’s jobs plan — while welcomed — will change their minds any time soon.

That sentiment was echoed across numerous industries by executives in companies big and small on Friday, underscoring the challenge for the Obama administration as it tries to encourage hiring and perk up the moribund economy.

No hiring but record profits, just wonderful,

No hiring but record profits, just wonderful,
NYT
This breakneck pace can be partly attributed to strong productivity growth — which means companies have been able to make more with less — as well as the fact that some of the profits of American companies come from abroad. Economic conditions in the United States may still be sluggish, but many emerging markets like India and China are expanding rapidly.

again, why would you hire employees that you don't need? in any business???

if you can fill current demands with X number of employees...is a tax credit going to incentivize you to increase your number of employees to X+10 to fill the same demand????? or are you assuming that demand automatically increases with an increase in employees.....or is hiring just the patriotic thing to do?

Exactly, fortunately there'll always be a demand for IT people, even if they pay significantly less for more hours.

#^&#^&#^&#^& pays

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"You can't hire skilled trade people to do the jobs ... and then string them out for eight or 13 years without a pay increase and then not expect to see exorbitant back-pay numbers," he said.

ha!

#^&#^&#^&#^& pays

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"You can't hire skilled trade people to do the jobs ... and then string them out for eight or 13 years without a pay increase and then not expect to see exorbitant back-pay numbers," he said.

ha!

Six other senior DEP workers made more than $700,000, while 13 made around $600,000. Another 47 earned about $400,000 to $500,000.

Local 1320 President James Tucciarelli told the News the city has no one to blame but itself for the huge payouts."



are you trying to point out that government/unions don't need tax breaks to hire and overpay people that they don't need?........

No I am not doing that. Just amazed at the statement, I'd love back pay for years without pay increases, anybody on this board would

No I am not doing that. Just amazed at the statement, I'd love back pay for years without pay increases, anybody on this board would

amazed at the statement???...union thugs are making some really amazing statements lately...haven't you been listening???...I think there was a little hostage situation on the west coast the other day..http://news.yahoo.com/longshoremen-storm-wash-state-port-damage-rr-144921214.html

.truly amazing:uhuh: I think a top union thug was a special guest of our president the other night...he's said some "amazing things"

not sure how this relates to tax incentivized hiring

NYT
This breakneck pace can be partly attributed to strong productivity growth — which means companies have been able to make more with less — as well as the fact that some of the profits of American companies come from abroad. Economic conditions in the United States may still be sluggish, but many emerging markets like India and China are expanding rapidly.

again, why would you hire employees that you don't need? in any business???

if you can fill current demands with X number of employees...is a tax credit going to incentivize you to increase your number of employees to X+10 to fill the same demand????? or are you assuming that demand automatically increases with an increase in employees.....or is hiring just the patriotic thing to do?
It's an incentive to increase innovative behavior.

Basically, you can't automate everything and usually automation requires an existing and proven process.

If I'm trying to invent a new product or revolutionary manufacturing process the additional labor burden required is a large part of the overall investment. If the investment costs are too high relative to the benefits I won't take the risk.

Many companies today are still profitable because they've cut their cost structures to the bone, but their people don't have the bandwidth for anything other than short-term profit motivated work. Sure, they can produce today's product more efficiently, but are they prepared to compete 5 or 10 years down the road?

The bottom line is that people are the lifeblood of any innovative organization.

-spence

It's an incentive to increase innovative behavior. that is hilarious

The bottom line is that people are the lifeblood of any innovative organization.

-spence

if that were true ....government would be incredibly innovative, efficient, productive and cost effective with all of those people

there seem to be plenty of government chosen "innovative" exploits recently that were subsidized with "incentives to increase innovation" and subsequently couldn't find demand(Volt) or couldn't compete in the marketplace(Solyndra)....

business will innovate just fine on their own and as they see fit...don't need Obaba giving pointers....

Exactly, fortunately there'll always be a demand for IT people, even if they pay significantly less for more hours.
Your biggest fear should be the Cloud.

With defense spending certainly to decline, program rationalization will be a very hot topic on the floor of Congress. IT will be in the cross hairs as contractors try to shift their spend towards retaining specialized talent critical to rapid project completion.

Be thankful for that little bit of US Government regulatory oppression called ITAR. It's perhaps your trump card to not get outsourced!

-spence

no DoD 8510 is the trump card.

Been doing cloud since 2006 or even early when it was called ASP's in 96. Also doing large private clouds with rapid provisioning, still very complicated to set up, have 2 large engagements underway, one DoD the other Agency.

It's more complicated than you think it is, it's not all pre-built. You gotta get to it (the cloud) and requires (or should) more security than private cloud.
Also you have to transition stuff (apps, data, users, management)

Nice buzz word but totally bogus when it comes to some of the implied benefits unless done right.

no DoD 8510 is the trump card.
Same issue, certification will be a bitch. I think ITAR has a lot more visibility in millions of dollars of fines.

Been doing cloud since 2006 or even early when it was called ASP's in 96. Also doing large private clouds with rapid provisioning, still very complicated to set up, have 2 large engagements underway, one DoD the other Agency.

It's more complicated than you think it is, it's not all pre-built. You gotta get to it (the cloud) and requires (or should) more security than private cloud.
Also you have to transition stuff (apps, data, users, management)

Nice buzz word but totally bogus when it comes to some of the implied benefits unless done right.
Improved network latency and stability is allowing better private cloud performance, but the commercialization of public Cloud apps and increasingly open applications is the game changer we're just getting into. For the heavier applications, yes, it's still a lot of hype, but already CIO's are starting to drink the Kool Aid.

Next time you're over for beers we should draft a few talking points I can use to help with these conversations. I've got the high-level pitch but you can give me some specifics.

-spence

I have all the certifications and ts cissp is next
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if that were true ....government would be incredibly innovative, efficient, productive and cost effective with all of those people
The majority of Government jobs are transactional.

there seem to be plenty of government chosen "innovative" exploits recently that were subsidized with "incentives to increase innovation" and subsequently couldn't find demand(Volt) or couldn't compete in the marketplace(Solyndra)....
These are different scenarios.

business will innovate just fine on their own and as they see fit...don't need Obaba giving pointers....
As usual you're pretty much missing the point completely. This isn't a situation where the government is dictating anything, just helping to defray a little risk as an incentive.

-spence

The majority of Government jobs are transactional.
the majority are unnecessary and we should reduce the number of government transactions
These are different scenarios.
not really, both are examples of companies that with much government fanfare sought to "innovate" through government "encouragement" thinking that "innovation" would result in a successful business venture despite the lack of demand in one case and any ability to compete in the other....all hype....then.... all disappointment.....Like Obama

As usual you're pretty much missing the point completely. This isn't a situation where the government is dictating anything, just helping to defray a little risk as an incentive.

-spence

this is a situation where Obama has nothing left to regurgitate so he thinks that this will be some solution to the lack of hiring and later he can complain that companies didn't take advantage of his benevolence when they don't take advantage of what is actually a really bad idea...:uhuh:

this is Obama's version of 100,000 cops on the streets

Kudlow - Businesses like to look ahead at least three to five years for their employment planning. And they’re already worried about the tax and regulatory mandate costs of Obamacare, which has become a great deterrent to job creation. But nobody makes clear business decisions based on temporary one-year tax cuts. That’s not the way business works.


see above
NY Times
Employers Say Jobs Plan Won’t Lead to Hiring Spur

Same issue, certification will be a bitch. I think ITAR has a lot more visibility in millions of dollars of fines.


Improved network latency and stability is allowing better private cloud performance, but the commercialization of public Cloud apps and increasingly open applications is the game changer we're just getting into. For the heavier applications, yes, it's still a lot of hype, but already CIO's are starting to drink the Kool Aid.

Next time you're over for beers we should draft a few talking points I can use to help with these conversations. I've got the high-level pitch but you can give me some specifics.

-spence

This is sooo over, it's a myth

This is sooo over, it's a myth

What's a myth?

-spence

90 pct of the cloud

That O'bama has a plan

What's a myth?

-spence

That O'bama has a plan

That anyone in DC has a friggin care about the populous of the United States of America. They should all go spend six years with Sal at club Fed

News Headlines (http://www.cnbc.com/id/44465169)

There's your FIRST indication that $447 BILLION is a WASTE OF TIME.

Kudlow - Businesses like to look ahead at least three to five years for their employment planning. And they’re already worried about the tax and regulatory mandate costs of Obamacare, which has become a great deterrent to job creation. ]

The unknown effect of Obamacre is one of the biggest reasons for not hiring
by small companies. No one has a clue as to the cost to them or how it will be paid for.

How is that ,what it is 5 or 500 billion, savings from fraud in Medicare and Medicaid
coming along???

pass this sherlock

Need-to-Know Video (http://bcove.me/8hlvri6g)

Kudlow - Businesses like to look ahead at least three to five years for their employment planning. And they’re already worried about the tax and regulatory mandate costs of Obamacare, which has become a great deterrent to job creation. But nobody makes clear business decisions based on temporary one-year tax cuts. That’s not the way business works.

exactly what I said.

I have all the certifications and ts cissp is next



Take a look at these guys if you already haven't....I went through them for mine and they do a pretty good job of teaching the subject matter.

(ISC)² - Official CISSP (http://www.trainingcamp.com/global/itandmanagement/security/cissp.aspx)

Not like a microsoft bootcamp.....where they basically teach you the test.

These guys basically immerse you for the entire week in the material and then you test out on Sunday.

I enjoyed this class just because it was a different "view" of Security......kind of that 3000 foot view of overall security....makes you think like an upper level manager :shocked:

There success rate was really good with the people in my office....6 out of 7 of us passed the test 1st time.

not gonna lie though....the test is a Mutha Eff'er

Kudlow - Businesses like to look ahead at least three to five years for their employment planning. And they’re already worried about the tax and regulatory mandate costs of Obamacare, which has become a great deterrent to job creation. But nobody makes clear business decisions based on temporary one-year tax cuts. That’s not the way business works.

exactly what I said.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Bank of America said Monday that it plans to eliminate 30,000 jobs as part of a plan to save $5 billion.

The announcement came after Chief Executive Brian Moynihan outlined the bank's strategy at an investor conference in New York.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Bank of America said Monday that it plans to eliminate 30,000 jobs as part of a plan to save $5 billion.

The announcement came after Chief Executive Brian Moynihan outlined the bank's strategy at an investor conference in New York.

No worries , Obama's plan will recreate those missing 30k jobs for just a little over 400 billion

No worries , Obama's plan will recreate those missing 30k jobs for just a little over 400 billion

its up to $475B now!

This guy has one trick in his play book.....

talk about beating a dead horse

The payment method the White House announced Monday would consist of:

--$405 billion from limiting the itemized deductions for charitable contributions and other deductions that can be taken by individuals making over $200,000 a year and families making over $250,000;
which will hurt charities
--$41 billion from closing loopholes for oil and gas companies;
which will be passed on to the consumer

--$18 billion from requiring fund managers to pay higher taxes on certain income;
which will be passed on to the consumer

--$3 billion from changing the tax treatment of corporate jets.
drop in the bucket

its up to $475B now!

Doubeling that # will be more like it before it's over.

Rule of thumb , the CBO will consistently under estimate program costs.

friggin mess, no one action or person can fix it.

Move to Greece!

friggin mess, no one action or person can fix it.


exactly, thats why we dont need to sink another half trillion into it. The $$$ is an Obama election contribution. The polls say he has to do something so he is.

I say dont raise taxes, dont overburden businesses with more admin BS and lets ride this out.

exactly, thats why we dont need to sink another half trillion into it. The $$$ is an Obama election contribution. The polls say he has to do something so he is.

I say dont raise taxes, dont overburden businesses with more admin BS and lets ride this out.

I agree. as long I have a job.

I agree. as long I have a job.

Ya it's like, what this country needs is a good recession, present
company excluded.

Ya it's like, what this country needs is a good recession, present
company excluded.

And a bunch of sarcastic internet fisherman

Personally I don't think the right thing to do is sit idly by. That doesn't get people to start hiring. Nor does it get people to start spending. Or saving.

People that can hire are on on the sidelines not sure what will happen with the uncertainty of the near future.

People that have to hire are often doing so in as minimal fashion as possible.

People that can hire are on on the sidelines not sure what will happen with the uncertainty of the near future.

People that have to hire are often doing so in as minimal fashion as possible.

John's right, I know of no one that is hiring unless the role is already paid for be some internal need and the 'exact' match including freckles for what is needed is found. Every open position has 10 times the normal applicants so there is plenty to choose from. Unfortunately you have to wade through them or staffing is not satisfied you've done you job. Oh and you give the person 10 pct LESS than what they are making now at a maximum salary.

I have personal experience on both sides of the equation in the last 3 mos, and I don't see it getting any better for at least another 2 years with the 2012 election and our current state of affairs, it ain't happening.

People that can hire are on on the sidelines not sure what will happen with the uncertainty of the near future.

People that have to hire are often doing so in as minimal fashion as possible.

I'm sure they will start hiring now that we know the"" plan"" is calling for 400 billion + in new taxes and a bigger government. I really think Obama may be on to something...brilliant:rotf2:

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