The Striper Cup is over.In addition to allowing Greg Myerson to join Team Striper,the heavy hitters have been virtually sinking their boats recently with 50# fish.If there is anybody left who thinks the tournament is a good idea, or for that matter even fair then have at it.Something tells me this is the last year for a lot of teams.

Crap, so the 82 lber i kept this morning isnt gunna be in the cup.

I thought it went through the 19th????

OTW ROTS !













Just sayin'...

It's not even worth talking about it in this thread. Nobody cares.

I sent anything worth weighing in back into the water (not that it would have mattered for the team competition anyway). I couldn't even stomach killing it for the free gear. A free VS is one thing but other than the shot at a monthly prize there is nothing appealing about the tournament anymore. I have enough gear already so all I would have been doing is some indirect commercial fishing since I would have sold it all for the money.

Personally I hope we don't field a team next year but that's really up to whether guys want to or not. I won't criticize anyone but I'm over it. I may still sign up for the off chance I could win a monthly and put a few bucks in my pocket but I probably would not look to weigh in anything for the team.

I should fill out some C&R forms though because I kind of like having the pins.

I love the magazine but the senseless killing of the breeders has to stop.
Just sayin

I joined the first year, only for the raffle ticket, but I can't support a policy that kills large breeding females. I don't even keep anything but the occassional 28-30" griller, switching over to black sea bass for the better taste anyway.

It's not even worth talking about it in this thread. Nobody cares.

I sent anything worth weighing in back into the water (not that it would have mattered for the team competition anyway). I couldn't even stomach killing it for the free gear. A free VS is one thing but other than the shot at a monthly prize there is nothing appealing about the tournament anymore. I have enough gear already so all I would have been doing is some indirect commercial fishing since I would have sold it all for the money.

Personally I hope we don't field a team next year but that's really up to whether guys want to or not. I won't criticize anyone but I'm over it. I may still sign up for the off chance I could win a monthly and put a few bucks in my pocket but I probably would not look to weigh in anything for the team.

I should fill out some C&R forms though because I kind of like having the pins.

I love the magazine but the senseless killing of the breeders has to stop.
Just sayin

Agreed

477 fish weighed so far
1-80's
1-70's
17-50's
111-40's
211-30's
106-20's
29-teens

477 fish weighed so far
1-80's
1-70's
17-50's
111-40's
211-30's
106-20's
29-teens


How many of those fish would have been kept anyway????

How many of those fish would have been kept anyway????

Every fish that was caught:

by a commercial angler during commerical season that was within their limit
by an angler that was comfortable selling it illegally
by an angler that wanted to eat it.
by an angler that felt the need to show their catch to others, get a true weight because they didn't have a scale with them, or weigh it in publicly


I'm sure there are other reasons that I can't think of at the moment but I think more would have been kept anyway than released. Tough to know the exact % but there are also definitely alot of fish that would have gone back otherwise. This tournament is definitely a drop in the bucket as far as fish killing but I think it's definitely indicative of overall attitudes to c&r. It also has to contribute negatively to c&r since it's primarily a kill tournament that although has fairly low numbers of fish weighed in it an be far reaching as far as influence.

I'm not saying I didn't have a sh%tload of fun when we won it though! :cheers:

I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.

The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.

As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.

We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.

To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.

If you guys don't do a team next year, you should definitely put the SB 4 leg back together and can organize it all over ........(I'm not going to say it).

Has anyone ever thought that because most of us release fish that we are now seeing larger fish 60#, 70# and even that 80#. Thanks guy's.

I agree with the sentiments expressed here and do not participate in Striper Cup for all of these reasons. It's a nice extra income for commercials at the end of the season too.

Tourneys lost their appeal for me this year. They are not why I fish, so none for me this year.

It would be interesting to see how many weekly and monthly winners hold commercial licenses.......

I thought it went through the 19th????
Mikey is right called OTW today ,Last day is Monday

Never really understood the the whole big breeder aspect of the argument a dead fish is a dead fish. A 50 is a lot closer to the end of its life cycle than a 15 #er. I believe killing many fish to win some gear or gain prestige is light years away from why I and I belive many others became striper crazy. That being said I have killed my share of fish for the wrong reason so I do not hold anything against those that fish these types of touneys

Never joined. Never will.
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Didn't sign up this year. I never catch anything that's worth weighing for our team anyways. But this tournament is a joke IMO. Brings out the worst in people...

Never have and will never participate. if you're not going to eat it, don't keep it. And some tournament guys I know discard fish.

Tourneys lost their appeal for me this year. They are not why I fish, so none for me this year.

It would be interesting to see how many weekly and monthly winners hold commercial licenses.......

Ross, the same thing happened to me this year. I got fed up with the BS associated with the OTW Cup.

It is dominated by the comm guys anyway. Hell, who has the time to fish as hard as they do. If you are making a living, or at the very least, putting gas money in your pocket, you are spending considerably more time on the water so your percentages of getting a weighable fish are greater.

Now, don't all you commercial guys get your panties in a bunch. I am not criticizing you. It's fine what you do and the fish get eaten so "no harm, no foul". I am just stating a fact. You fish more because there are dollars involved so you catch more and, correspondingly, you get bigger fish.

Mikey is right called OTW today ,Last day is Monday

I will be in with the 82lber this morning. Unfortunately it has shrunken over the past couple days.

The whole killing of large breeders argument is BS. I don't feel the tournament elevates it at all. Those fish are coming home regardless in most cases. I'm ok with the tournament rules for the most part too.

I opted out this year simply because I have no longer have any use for tournaments...they don't do anything for me anymore...get your name on a trophy, win a prize, read the headlines, pound your chest, I'm better than you..I personally don't need all the amateurish BS that comes with entering contests of any kind.

....

Does anyone know if the number of registrations are declining or increasing?

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/stripertalk/49369-congrats-seadangles.html

"Thanks, I just got back from the awards ceremony with a new VS275 and a $500 check from Red Top.I fished 2 nights and got one fish but it was the right one I guess.Liz from Red Top told me it was the fattest fish she had seen in 35 years when I weighed it in on Friday morning. I couldn't tell you what was in the belly because I donated the fish to the Bourne food pantry which precluded me from opening it up. This was the second fish weighed in for the tournament and the runner up was a 32 pounder.What a great way to start the season and give Team Striper a nice headstart in the Striper Cup.I know it was 44 pounds but it counts for 52.8 with the ridiculous handicap system OTW uses."

Chris, argue the points, don't do your drive by hits from your holy tower.

As "Captain Stock Assessment", according to Chris who couldn't pass a pot without stirring Dangles, we'll see what happens with the regs and the tourney but it looks like this may be the last year. While it has been fun, a blast really, it may be nearing its end.

Maybe if there are significant changes but it looks like this may be the last year.

So when Back Beach refers to his rock throwing buddy it's fine but when I make a similar referance it gets censored,no problem Tim.

Ross, I think you posted that as a shot at me but at the time I was thrilled to win the Red Top,especially with the generous prizes the fish enabled me to receive.But look at the date,it was three years ago. This is the firstyear I decided not to enter the OTW tournament and I did so because as Back Beach pointed out,I am done with that type of tournament. I am happy with my decision and feel like if I can influence others not to participate,whether by shaming them or setting an example, I have done the fishery a service.Thanks for bringing it up though,it's a nice memory and I hope there are people who decide follow my example.

So when Back Beach refers to his rock throwing buddy it's fine but when I make a similar referance it gets censored,no problem Tim.



I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just my general observation on big tournaments is they do nothing for me personally any more due to the nonsense involved.

PLUS, once I found out you weren't entering this year I realized I had noone to bust and torment online over the cup standings, thus things have really lost their luster for me.

So when Back Beach refers to his rock throwing buddy it's fine but when I make a similar referance it gets censored,no problem Tim.


You made the reference - you are always making the reference.

You are generally taking a shot at someone or trying to stir the pot for your own amusement or satisfaction. I might be wrong but that is how it has seemed over the years up until the last time you got the boot here. And when it is isn't you taking shots at others it is the mean cruel moderators censoring your grand free speech. Frankly its old and it ends soon. Learn to play nice or play somewhere else.

So when Back Beach refers to his rock throwing buddy it's fine but when I make a similar referance it gets censored,no problem Tim.

Ross, I think you posted that as a shot at me but at the time I was thrilled to win the Red Top,especially with the generous prizes the fish enabled me to receive.But look at the date,it was three years ago. This is the firstyear I decided not to enter the OTW tournament and I did so because as Back Beach pointed out,I am done with that type of tournament. I am happy with my decision and feel like if I can influence others not to participate,whether by shaming them or setting an example, I have done the fishery a service.Thanks for bringing it up though,it's a nice memory and I hope there are people who decide follow my example.

Are you serious????

I like competition always have always will. In light of recent events I would not participate going forward. Not that I'm a strong contributor anyhow. I'm all in for getting our 4 leg tourney back up and running. But like luds would be amazed if we fielded a team next year.
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Are you serious????

No

totally agree with a lot of what has been posted here. I think the comms guys taking it over really hurt it, although I agree it is well within their rights to do so. Maybe its fun for those guys, but IMO it has taken the fun out of it for the "average" fisherman.

Some of the best "tournaments" are the friendly ones that clubs have and I agree we should try and do more of those types of things on this site, understanding that its tough to get dates nailed down in season...

^ Most of the regulars on Team S-B have comm licenses too as did I when I fished it. I don't see it as a huge advantage for any one team.

The only additional smoothing out OTW could do for the team competition is make it one fish per angler towards the total.

As for the other stuff there's big prizes, thus big incentives, for folks to bend and/or break the rules. Without enforceable guidelines for the weigh stations its too easy for someone to cheat.

I wouldn't mind seeing OTW or some other entity doing a strictly C&R tourney going forward. Not only would it keep them in the spotlight, but I think it would also paint them in a more favorable light with the more conservation minded anglers. It may not be as popular as the current format, but there would still be some sponsors who would get involved. People could keep fish if they wanted to, but those of us who would rather release them would still be able to get in on prizes.

:lurk:

No
:grins: Some guys take the internet way too seriously.

I wouldn't mind seeing OTW or some other entity doing a strictly C&R tourney going forward. Not only would it keep them in the spotlight, but I think it would also paint them in a more favorable light with the more conservation minded anglers. It may not be as popular as the current format, but there would still be some sponsors who would get involved. People could keep fish if they wanted to, but those of us who would rather release them would still be able to get in on prizes.

Can't happen. Big prize C&R tournaments won't work. If you think there's cheating now---and there is---you ain't seen nuttin' yet, if someone ever puts in a big prize C&R tournament.

Can't happen. Big prize C&R tournaments won't work. If you think there's cheating now---and there is---you ain't seen nuttin' yet, if someone ever puts in a big prize C&R tournament.

I realize it couldn't be done on the scale it's done now, but there are some pretty big C&R tourneys that do ok. It would have to be more about the competition than about the prizes. As for the cheating, that's always going to happen no matter how hard anyone tries to eliminate it.

Not saying it's good or bad, but once OTW openly allowed "commercial anglers" to participate they opened up Pandora's Box, and you can't "put the genie back in the bottle" now!

I had entered the first 2 years and stopped. It just wasn't worth it.
(Same reason I canceled my subscription to the magazine.)

After they bounced around from venue to venue, from year to year, changing sponsors from year to year, it definitely looks like OTW and Stripercup will soon be cruising off into the sunset as a good idea that couldn't maintain their fan base.

When they started moving further and further south, and kept change the beer sponsors, they completely lost my interest.

Oh well, at least there will be plenty of ice fishing derbies to look forward to this winter!!!

I have a com lic and fish com. Those who know me can tell u that im fishing no matter what. For those that think com guys have a advantage thats just plain dumb. How is it that most of the monthly winners caught their fish recreationaly. Its all about luck. The people that fish MORE have a better chance of going large. DANGLES Whats up with all the DRAMMMMA.

Every fish that was caught:

by a commercial angler during commerical season that was within their limit
by an angler that was comfortable selling it illegally
by an angler that wanted to eat it.
by an angler that felt the need to show their catch to others, get a true weight because they didn't have a scale with them, or weigh it in publicly


I'm sure there are other reasons that I can't think of at the moment but I think more would have been kept anyway than released. Tough to know the exact % but there are also definitely alot of fish that would have gone back otherwise. This tournament is definitely a drop in the bucket as far as fish killing but I think it's definitely indicative of overall attitudes to c&r. It also has to contribute negatively to c&r since it's primarily a kill tournament that although has fairly low numbers of fish weighed in it an be far reaching as far as influence.

I'm not saying I didn't have a sh%tload of fun when we won it though! :cheers:

The whole killing of large breeders argument is BS. I don't feel the tournament elevates it at all. Those fish are coming home regardless in most cases. I'm ok with the tournament rules for the most part too.

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Exactly my point. Out of the 477 fish taken in this I would guess that pretty close to that number would have been taken home anyway. Most fisherman keep big bass. Just the way it is. Almost every weekend angler that gets into fish is coming home with a limit in the box. I dont think the tourney elevates those numbers that much in the grand scheme of things.

One things for sure...when you involve humans and put a "price" on any animals head, it will only lead to over harvesting and waste of that particular species. Did you think folks thought the Buffalo were near extinction in the 1800s when they used to shoot them for fun? I think by the time we realize the effects that tourneys like OTW Striper Cup have on the population of large fish it will be way too late. Im not a scientist but believe common sense rules...you take large fish out of the water it no doubt has an effect on the population and future successful spawning years.Not trying to "holy roll" but I let 99% of my fish swim because of this reason. Like Mark Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme".

I believe the whole "the commercial guys have an unfair advantage" is way overblown.

Case in point:

This summer my Dad hit a big fish (53) with one of his charters. Good fish, and there were more bigs around as they had a very good week.

The next day was open for Mass commercial, so I took the boat as I normally do if he's not booked. I ran 60 miles to chatham - 3 hours each way, a very long run instead of fishing a place in my backyard where I knew I had a very good shot a serious cow. Why??? Because I was playing for total pounds, not looking for glory, and to weigh a fish for some stupid cup. It was a heck of a lot more productive for me to target lots of legal fish than take the time to go CowHunting for a couple of bigs.

Mass Commercial only lasted 17 days last year - couple the limited days available with a little thought about the actual goals when someone is commercial fishing (total pounds for the available day) and you might just come to the conclusion that the commercial license doesn't have much impact on this tournament.

For the record, I don't currently and never have fished this tournament.

I don't have a problem with the tournament itself, if you choose to fish it and enjoy it - Great.

I just think tournaments in general have a tendency to turn good guys into A-holes, and A-holes into slanderous jerks.

I have a com lic and fish com. Those who know me can tell u that im fishing no matter what. For those that think com guys have a advantage thats just plain dumb. How is it that most of the monthly winners caught their fish recreationaly. Its all about luck. The people that fish MORE have a better chance of going large. DANGLES Whats up with all the DRAMMMMA.

"How is it that most of the monthly winners caught their fish recreationaly."

because comm season doesn't even last a month, it's impossible for less monthly winners to be recreationally caught.

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just my general observation on big tournaments is they do nothing for me personally any more due to the nonsense involved.

PLUS, once I found out you weren't entering this year I realized I had noone to bust and torment online over the cup standings, thus things have really lost their luster for me.

That and they don't have a division for sunfish of course.

:laughs:

Ross, I think you posted that as a shot at me but at the time I was thrilled to win the Red Top,especially with the generous prizes the fish enabled me to receive.But look at the date,it was three years ago. This is the firstyear I decided not to enter the OTW tournament and I did so because as Back Beach pointed out,I am done with that type of tournament. I am happy with my decision and feel like if I can influence others not to participate,whether by shaming them or setting an example, I have done the fishery a service.Thanks for bringing it up though,it's a nice memory and I hope there are people who decide follow my example.

I just must have missed the repent and reconcile thread......:gh:

I'm gonna weigh in a 15 pounder tomorrow.
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I'm gonna weigh in a 15 pounder tomorrow.
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A Brazilian Hamburger?

Picture is a fatty 41" fish 27-4. The mouth had a healed chronic thru laceration of the jaw. Probably somebody's previous fish hook injury. Your kind C&R allowed me to have a similarly fine C&R experience with a nice fish that made my nite. Despite what the "commercials" say, these are tough fish and they survive.

2nd Pic is a 38" fish, healthy enough to suck in my eel and fight well-- it probably survived a seal, and probably not very long before I C&R'd it.

I do certainly like the consensus direction this Threadhas taken re what is really important here...and that is the preservation and the protection of the opportunity to catch these great fish. I don't need tournament, neither OTW nor the MV Derby to get me out there.

You'd think it was January 20th and it was five degrees outside the way this thread went. Its beating a DEAD HORSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT SIDE OF THE ISLE YOUR ON.

Need a few new fishin partners
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Picture is a fatty 41" fish 27-4. The mouth had a healed chronic thru laceration of the jaw. Probably somebody's previous fish hook injury. Your kind C&R allowed me to have a similarly fine C&R experience with a nice fish that made my nite. Despite what the "commercials" say, these are tough fish and they survive.

2nd Pic is a 38" fish, healthy enough to suck in my eel and fight well-- it probably survived a seal, and probably not very long before I C&R'd it.

I do certainly like the consensus direction this Threadhas taken re what is really important here...and that is the preservation and the protection of the opportunity to catch these great fish. I don't need tournament, neither OTW nor the MV Derby to get me out there.

Then there was that 57 pounder that Lev Wlodyka caught on MV several years ago. It had an old yo-yo weight in its stomach that had been completely encapsulated in stomach tissue.

Bass are not delicate fish. I've always said it, and every year, the point gets proven.

Picture is a fatty 41" fish 27-4. The mouth had a healed chronic thru laceration of the jaw. Probably somebody's previous fish hook injury. Your kind C&R allowed me to have a similarly fine C&R experience with a nice fish that made my nite. Despite what the "commercials" say, these are tough fish and they survive.

2nd Pic is a 38" fish, healthy enough to suck in my eel and fight well-- it probably survived a seal, and probably not very long before I C&R'd it.

I do certainly like the consensus direction this Threadhas taken re what is really important here...and that is the preservation and the protection of the opportunity to catch these great fish. I don't need tournament, neither OTW nor the MV Derby to get me out there.

They are definitely tougher than a lot of people think...I had one a couple of weeks ago that was missing the whole left side if its mouth, wish I had thought to snap a pic before releasing it.
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I see the pictures from the 1960s and we've come a long way since stacking fish like cordwood on the sand.

A few large breeders are not going to dent the population. The draggers leaving miles of discards are where everyone's energy should be channeled.

Get lost thats my spot

Then there was that 57 pounder that Lev Wlodyka caught on MV several years ago. It had an old yo-yo weight in its stomach that had been completely encapsulated in stomach tissue.

jelly belly knelly. The Big One by david kenney. good book!

I think people expect too much from the big tourneys. The most enjoyable are little tourneys with small prizes (like a commemorative belt buckle) such that winning the prize is meaningless from a monetary view point. Its betweem friends or at least aquaintences and the biggest prize is the pride of having been lucky or skillfull or both that day (or weekend) These pumped up big events bring all the focus on winning big ticket items and that changes it from friendly sport to cutthroat ,lying , cheating, minipulating , do anything to win, fish kills.

The tourneys I have enjoyed the most were 1 day derbies where the cost on entering was like $10, a charity kept most of the money and someone gets a trophy or small value gear for winning. Our own S-B 4 leg tourneys are classic gentlemen's honor , catch and release and maybe you win a reel.

As soon as the prizes get big enough to make it a commercial inviting event, the spirit of sportsmanship gets ruined.

We grilled the original Striper Cup organizers online over the initial rules that promoted a fish kill much larger than the eventual rules that were adopted after the big protests.One thing that many wanted but that the organizers didn't was to not allow anyone with a commercial license to enter. I think that was the biggest mistake. With large prizes and commercial guys allowed to compete it became just another way for guys to earn more money from fish they were going to sell at the market anyway.

To me , the moral is that anything that turns a fishing tourney into more than simple fun between friends is bad for the tourney and participants.


Really well said. I totally agree with your point of view.

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...:laugha:

Just noticed Sea Dangles alma marta took the lead for the team division...time to get some sleep...:laugha:

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things. ;)

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things. ;)

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

• Upon registration an angler must declare either a club affiliation or no affiliation

How can Meyerson weigh in a fish on May 30 and again on June 26 as unaffilliated and then weigh in the Aug 5 --82 pounder as a member of Team Striper?

It looks to me that without the 82 pounder that Team Jersey shore would win since they are only 4 pounds (points) behind and Team Stripers second biggest fish is 57 pounds. That's 25 pounds less than Meyersons

Now I'm looking at the standings posted today , Sept 20. Maybe these standing do not include all fish? Regardless of that , how can a guy weigh in fish as both affiliated and no affiliation whne the rules say you must declare your affiliation upon registering? Hmmm

I must have missed something here. What's going on?

477 fish weighed so far
1-80's
1-70's
17-50's
111-40's
211-30's
106-20's
29-teens

130 BIG breeders does NOT constitute the killing of the species!!

the current migratory count has to be upwards of 6,000,000,,,,,,

!!! SIIIIIIX,,,,,,,MILLLLL,,,,,,,,,,YUUUUUUNN !!!

for me and my concerns, the BY CATCH kills far more big breeders than recreational "for meat" tourneys EVER WILL, and has been doing so for decades!!

fix the forage, ONE @ 36", and CONGRATS to Mr Myerson for his
NEW WORLD RECORD,,,,,,,,,,,,,WOW(except for one minor detail)
:claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: :claps: boat feesh NEVER count, fo reels ya'll~ fo reeeeeeeels

82 points from a brand new member has a way of changing things. ;)

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

What's bitter about Mike's statement? Its just a statement of fact. You don't agree that a recent entry of 82 pounds significantly changes the results?

For a casual observer who is not involved with the tournament you sure seem bitter. FWIW they would have won without the 82,some guys know how to catch large.

Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it. I just think that you either have set rules, or not, and if not, your tournament lacks something. If they're flexible, and subject to changing on the fly, IMO it's not a good thing. That's my opinion, nothing more, and you don't have to agree with it, or even like it. :D

Mike was being coy with his statement Saltheart.And while I agree with his statement regarding the tournament,even he has to acknowledge that OTW had set the precedence years before by allowing changes midstream.The fact it was Myerson or even a record fish should not alter this exception despite the impact on the standings.It actually would have been unfair if he were not allowed to have a club affiliation.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::

Mike was being coy with his statement Saltheart.And while I agree with his statement regarding the tournament,even he has to acknowledge that OTW had set the precedence years before by allowing changes midstream.The fact it was Myerson or even a record fish should not alter this exception despite the impact on the standings.It actually would have been unfair if he were not allowed to have a club affiliation.

You probably know this, but it has nothing to do with Myerson. I'm in the guy's corner. I just happen to think that a club's roster should be set when the thing starts. Maybe give 30 days grace period for late registrations, the close the club deal. No exceptions. SB benefitted from a couple of late additions in 2007, too. I didn't think it was right then, either.

Nope, not bitter at all.

Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire....

You should never be able to enter a fish you already caught in the tourney unless registered before the fish was caught or be allowed to have a fish credited to a team you had not been a member of before catching the fish. I don't care if he joins the team the last day but no fish he caught before joining should be counted towards that teams total. A guy should never be allowed to carry a previously caught fish into the tournament or team tally. Thats simply rediculous!!

I mean why not just wait to see if you catch a big one and only sign up if you are sure you will win something. What kind of tourney is that??

I do not agree that just because an exception was made in the past that you have to keep making that same mistake forever. They just admit it was wrong to do it in the firstplace and stop doing it .

To allow that 82 pound fish to be credited to a team that he was not a member of before the fish was caught is wrong and everyone knows it. I also hope he gets the World Record with the fish but it should never be credited towards a team he wasn't on before it was caught. That's just wrong any way you look at it!

Um,...Saltheart, he caught the 82 after joining Team Striper. This is why none of his previous whoppers were credited to the team.

Nope, not bitter at all. I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which club wins it. :D

I actually understand this completely....I couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& which woman wins the Miss Universe Pagent...I have not, nor will I ever participate in the Miss Universe Pagent but I do post lengthy remarks on the Miss Universe Facebook page and on various beauty queen websites regarding my opinions on various pagent rules which do not affect me in any way ....it's not that I'm bitter, and I'm actually in the corner of one or two contestants, particularly the ones that go really large....if ya know what I mean...but don't think that because I continually voice my opinions on the rules regarding the pagent that I really
give a #^&#^&#^&#^& :rotf2:

OK so how did he get around this rule (in purple below) after entering 2 fish as unaffiliated to get on team Striper in the time between the two he entered as unaffiliated and the 82 pounder?

• Upon registration an angler must declare either a club affiliation or no affiliation

With the blessings of OTW hierachy.

And that's the root of the problem. Oh well...As some say , rules are made to be broken.

And that's the root of the problem. Oh well...As some say , rules are made to be broken.

which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

Just admit you are an angry, bitter lawyer with some old axe to grind... at least keep some fuel on the fire....
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which problem?..and what rules were broken?

the rule states that and angler must declare one or the other status at the time of registration, which makes sense, I'm pretty sure that was done...I've not seen a rule that states that an unaffiliated angler may not (affiliate) join a team during the several months of the tournament and in fact, OTW made it quite clear that this is done regularly and MikeP acknowledged the fact that there is precedence.....an unaffifiated angler joining a team has no idea as to whether he/she is going to catch a fish of consequence after joining a team(which are the only fish that may count in the standings)....what exactly is the problem?

It's not quite what I said---in the SB team case, two anglers who contributed heavily to our winning year joined the tournament in mid-July. They weren't previously in as individuals, and then joined a team. I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

I still think that club rosters should be set either at the start, or within the first month of it.

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this.

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament. Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might.

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even56456) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake.

I rest my case.

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sounds like passing a kidney stone

try the apple cider vinegar remedy

it melts them if they are small

So a heavy hitter (Someone known to catch lots of big fish every year) can join as unaffiliated , enter fish as an independent to be sure he's got some in there for some prizes , then wait for the season to progress and see how the team totals tally up. Then near the end , when its getting obvious who the winner or at least top 3 will be , he can jump in and join a garanteed winning or high placing team. I'm not saying he did that but the exceptions made to allow moving from unaffiliated to affiliated would allow this. you have been long on speculation and short on facts through the entire discussion

I've posted the rule twice in purple. Its apparant that people interpret this differently than me. To me it says when you join you decide if you are an independent or a team member. To me that's it , that's what you are for the tournament.does it say this in purple?
Why even have such a rule if you can jump around from unaffiliated to affiliated during the contest? because tournament organizers need to know where to slot your fish when you register Yes I know the slippery slope was started with exceptions in the past and that those exceptions even involved S-B team people. As I said earlier, if you do something once it doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way forever.it appears to be pretty common rather than an "exception" or a "breaking of the rules"

The integrity of the tournament is bound to adherence to the rules by both the participants and the organizers. Making exceptions or looking for supreme court type loop holes to simple fishing tournament rules casts a shadow over things that some may not care about but that others might. those would be the people who "couldn't give a #^&#^&#^&#^& "

I joined the tournament the first year simply to be able to go to the party at the end at Harpoon Brewery (I think it was Harpoon?). I got a pin and a golden raffle ticket and Smokey and I had good food and beer at the party. We ran into all the usual hard core guys ( even #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&) at the party so it was a good social event like TFCTFN and MSBA etc. I suppose expecting or even caring about any more than that is a mistake. I wonder how many harsh critics of the tournament will be at the party?


I rest my case.

we'll see....:gh:.........................

just doesn't make any sense...the tournament is months long and actually a series of weekly/monthly tournaments...OTW allows registration throughout the tournament(which makes perfect sense given the nature of the tournament and for maximum participation).... I'm sure that many anglers decide to register throughout the season as a result of joining a club or encouragement from a competing team, your rules would not allow new registrants after the first day (or month) to join a club/team which might discourage participation, which I'm sure is not the goal of OTW....if you make an exception for new registrants and allow them to affiliate with clubs/teams after one of your dates, it hardly seems justifiable to allow them(new registrants) to join a team after one of your dates while not allowing previously registered but unaffilitated anglers to affiliate, the only difference between the two is the date on their registration.....and in both cases, as long as any fish that is being entered is caught after the date of registration/affiliation, why would it matter ???????

Because the club tournament is run separately from the individual one, with separate standings. Ideally, it would be limited to legitimate fishing clubs, like the Schaeffer Cup was, with membership rosters and meeting halls. With dues, and by-laws, and all the rest of the trappings of fishing clubs. Perhaps even a vote among existing members on new members. Then, you could allow adding members to the team roster, after they join a real club. But since they allow, in effect, "pick-up" teams, there has to be a cut-off date to make it a fair contest. If I'm a heavy hitter, I can sit on the sidelines, see how the standings shape up, and then offer my "services" to a team that wants to make a mid-tournament push on a team that's been together since the start. Why does every professional sports league have a trading deadline?

I didn't renew my subscription once they started the tourney.

Haven't really missed it since.

Just read the MV Derby committee disqualified two division leading participants due to their lack of having recreational fishing licenses...makes me wonder about the Striper Cup.

By the way, none of what I said is directed at Greg or TS. I know that Greg was contemplating throwing in with them over the off-season. It wasn't a case of him looking at the pack and deciding to help out one team over another. Just general principles.

Licensing? OTW is a coast-wide tournament. How could they ever check? The Derby, with one central weigh-in, can demand that a contestant show his/her license when weighing in a fish. OTW can't, and most weigh stations couldn't be bothered.

Licensing? OTW is a coast-wide tournament. How could they ever check? The Derby, with one central weigh-in, can demand that a contestant show his/her license when weighing in a fish. OTW can't, and most weigh stations couldn't be bothered.

You simply provide proof of your license when you register for either tournament if your given state requires licensing. Not too difficult, IMO.

You simply provide proof of your license when you register for either tournament if your given state requires licensing. Not too difficult, IMO.

I assumed you had to show it for the Derby when you registered.

The problem with the Striper Cup is that a lot of people register early online or register at the winter shows. They may not have purchased the rec license by the time they sign up for it.

I assumed you had to show it for the Derby when you registered.

The problem with the Striper Cup is that a lot of people register early online or register at the winter shows. They may not have purchased the rec license by the time they sign up for it.

Then they should make people show a license when they weigh in a fish.

Nobody thinks less of the saltwater license b.s. than I do, but if I shell out 10 bucks for a license and another 45 for the striper cup registration, I demand the same from my fellow competitiors. :lama:

I just ain't gonna join next year. I am tired of tournaments. In fact the last Tournament really enjoyed was the Schaefer Tournament. When the hell was that, 1971?

In fact the last Tournament really enjoyed was the Schaefer Tournament. When the hell was that, 1971?

God you're old.... :smash::biglaugh:

Talk tomorrow.

HE THINKS HE,S god :devil2:

God you're old.... :smash::biglaugh:

Talk tomorrow.

He remembers when dirt was new...

I'm just glad BassDawg chimed in.

I never look at the pictorials

Just read the MV Derby committee disqualified two division leading participants due to their lack of having recreational fishing licenses...makes me wonder about the Striper Cup.


Thought it was only one, the big albie, who was the other one?

He remembers when dirt was new...

Where is all of this hostility coming from? Oakley, Clammer, now J. I think Mr Clammer is older than me and no one slams him. :rotf2:

Just remember all you youngster, what I have forgotten, you haven't learned yet.

Bryan, I'll firm up tomorrow night with you during the day tomorrow. I am around all day.

You simply provide proof of your license when you register for either tournament if your given state requires licensing. Not too difficult, IMO.

What's to stop someone from making up a phony number if they register online? OTW isn't going to run a computer check even if they had the ability to do it.

Then they should make people show a license when they weigh in a fish.

Nobody thinks less of the saltwater license b.s. than I do, but if I shell out 10 bucks for a license and another 45 for the striper cup registration, I demand the same from my fellow competitiors. :lama:

Sure, but the problem is getting the weigh stations to take the time. I entered two fish in 5 years. One was weighed in at Mike's. The other? I practically had to beg the guy to even get his digital scale out from under the counter. I got a "I hope you're gonna buy something if I drop everything and do this for you". :doh:

Just read the MV Derby committee disqualified two division leading participants due to their lack of having recreational fishing licenses...makes me wonder about the Striper Cup.

Must have happened on the 18th.... Meeting to DSQ was on the 19th, and the Daily Winners' page from the 18th looks pretty sparse.... I have no beef with their ruling.

Please don't derail this thread with anyhing that makes sense.

By the way, none of what I said is directed at Greg or TS. I know that Greg was contemplating throwing in with them over the off-season. It wasn't a case of him looking at the pack and deciding to help out one team over another. Just general principles.

"If I'm a heavy hitter, I can sit on the sidelines, see how the standings shape up, and then offer my "services" to a team that wants to make a mid-tournament push on a team that's been together since the start.".


right, clearly no inference there......:)

Because the club tournament is run separately from the individual one, with separate standings.

I'm pretty sure it's not run separately, last I checked..,weekly, monthly, Angler of the Year(individual standings)and Team were all the same fish...

the team standings and the option to fish for a team just make it more interesting and probably increase participation....I don't think that there are gobs of money and prizes showered on the team that wins to entice those "heavy hitters" to spend their season caluclating which team to join and selling their services in order to stick it to another team...:confused:

right, clearly no inference there......:)



I'm pretty sure it's not run separately, last I checked..,weekly, monthly, Angler of the Year(individual standings)and Team were all the same fish...

the team standings and the option to fish for a team just make it more interesting and probably increase participation....I don't think that there are gobs of money and prizes showered on the team that wins to entice those "heavy hitters" to spend their season caluclating which team to join and selling their services in order to stick it to another team...:confused:

No just 10 grand

No just 10 grand

we could check.... but I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with the team results or any of what I wrote...

Good lord - you guys really need to fish more.

I'm sure Myerson joined Team Striper for the same reason everyone else did (and the reason I lie every year and say I did) - he was just trying to shut up Everin and keep him from chewing on his leg when he gets hammered.

Go fishing - it's actually fun.

right, clearly no inference there......:)





You think he's the only heavy hitter? ;) I thought I made it clear that TS was the only team he ever considered joining.

You think he's the only heavy hitter? ;) I thought I made it clear that TS was the only team he ever considered joining.

he's the one that got your panties in a bunch about all of this...or is this general principles guided by wild specualtion?

still up ...by the way...

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Let's see if my little note on the Cup's Facebook wall stays up.


Michael Prevost With all due respect, if it's true that Greg Myerson was allowed to join Team Striper after not registering as a club member initially, your tournament has lost all credibility with a lot of anglers. The rule is pretty clear: Upon registration an angler must declare either a club affiliation or no affiliation. I see nothing that allows an "undeclared" angler to declare an affiliation with less than a month after the tournament.


The Striper Cup Hi Mike - Policy since year one has been to allow individuals to declare team affiliation at any point in the tournament, but only allow fish going forward to count toward team standings. We have had hundreds of anglers every year, on almost every team, who sign up first and then declare a team later in the season. Thanks for pointing out that we need to clarify that in our rules. Please contact bdean@onthewater.com if you have any questions or would like further explanation. Thanks


have you contacted them regarding all of your suggestions, opinions and ideas regarding improving the tournament? :)

This thread is better every time I check in,I can't say much because it will be *edited* by the Bossman.

This thread is better every time I check in,I can't say much because it will be *edited* by the Bossman.


Just you Chris, just you.

I noticed that since the response prior to mine still has the name of the person I am not allowed to refer to. No problem Big Guy I'm used to it and don't want to get in the middle of whatever bunched your undergarment.

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Please don't derail this thread with anyhing that makes sense.

You started it...:lasso:

I noticed that since the response prior to mine still has the name of the person I am not allowed to refer to. No problem Big Guy I'm used to it and don't want to get in the middle of whatever bunched your undergarment.

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Ooops -- missed that one. But the WHY is not your concern.

Chris, you are starting to bunch my undergarments. Everyone has a problem, everyone is a cheat, and everyone is open for an attach, warranted or not. Oh, and of course you are overmoderated by the evil moderators.

While I prefer and encourage open speech and debate I don't have to put up with the constant drivel. If you don' like it, leave.

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I think I've seen you say this twice in this thread. Some people just can't take a hint. Reminds me of when i was a bartender and you tell a guy it's last call then they get all pissed off when you tell them it's time to go.

NowOoops -- missed that one. But the WHY is not your concern.

Chris, you are starting to bunch my undergarments. Everyone has a problem, everyone is a cheat, and everyone is open for an attach, warranted or not. Oh, and of course you are overmoderated by the evil moderators.

While I prefer and encourage open speech and debate I don't have to put up with the constant drivel. If you don' like it, leave.

Now that you edited Saltheart I feel like I am being treated the same as everyone else.I do notice you still make stuff up about me again and that is too bad.Don't forget,you got on my case for bringing up**** but it wasn't me who brought him up.Just like last week when I got in trouble for mentioning **** throwing **** after Back Beach had made similar comments without issue.Now I know what is verboten and will happily comply.

The WHY you refer to is probably more common knowledge than you would think but I will respect your privacy in this matter.

Best thread in a while IMO.I like it,big hugs and tight lines.

The WHY you refer to is probably more common knowledge than you would think but I will respect your privacy in this matter.


Thanks...

I also understand the complications involved for the chief cook and bottle washer and sympathize with him.