Interesting thoughts but I don't necessarily agree. I think right now if they lowered taxes it wouldn't change anything. People have been hit so hard I think they will use the extra money to shore up their savings not spend like they think.

Creating Jobs in the Volunteer State: Why Are Employers Reluctant to Hire? | PBS NewsHour | Dec. 2, 2011 | PBS (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/makingsense_12-02.html)

For once I agree. Guvmit's standing in the way of growth.

8,600 USD for a light crusher

3,600 USD to certify a forklift operator

There's one simple answer here.

Invest in Wood Lures :hee:

Interesting thoughts but I don't necessarily agree. I think right now if they lowered taxes it wouldn't change anything. People have been hit so hard I think they will use the extra money to shore up their savings not spend like they think.
Generally agree. If I was a small business right now I'd want cash.

Uncertainty is a drag to business, but costs can be managed when you have cash-flow.

I don't think taxes or regulation are as big of a deal as just the general political climate which looks like it could whip one way or the other depending on the mood du jour.

-spence

There's one simple answer here.

Invest in Wood Lures :hee:

agreed! :rotf2:

Generally agree. If I was a small business right now I'd want cash.

Uncertainty is a drag to business, but costs can be managed when you have cash-flow.

I don't think taxes or regulation are as big of a deal as just the general political climate which looks like it could whip one way or the other depending on the mood du jour.

-spence

"I don't think taxes or regulation are as big of a deal "

Here's the thing. You believe that, only because it supports your agenda. That's called circular logic. I see you offered no support whatsoever.

If you talk to the people who can say something knowledgable about this issue, those who run businesses, you'd get a different answer. Taxes and regulations are a cost of commerce. Spence, here is what you learn the first week in economics 101. When you increase the cost of something, the demand for that something (no matter what it is) goes DOWN. When you have stagnant growth and 9% unemployment, that last thing you want to do (if you understand economics 101) is reduce the demand for commerce. I'm not saying you eliminate taxes and regulation. I'm saying the goal should be that taxes and regulation are no higher than they need to be. I've worked in areas where we did the work to ensure compliance with Sarbanes-Oxley, and it was useless waste.

But you know wbetter I guess.

I don't think taxes or regulation are as big of a deal as just the general political climate which looks like it could whip one way or the other depending on the mood du jour.

-spence

What's stopping job creation? Too much regulation - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/06/opinion/otis-regulations-job-creation/?hpt=us_mid)

Overseas outsourcing is a huge culprit and anyone who buys non American made products enables it.
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Raise the import taxes on everything
even American company's Abroad products
and force companies to find other ways
to produce good stuff in the USA.

Overseas outsourcing is a huge culprit and anyone who buys non American made products enables it.
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Why is that 9 times out of 10 a Progressive/Obama/Co3x15t sticker is on a Prius. For someone that is progressive and caring of the American labor worker they seem FARRRRR more likely to drive a Jap/Kor/German car than an American car. Chinese cars are next.

All these people thanking Obama for the Auto bailouts smile when they climb back into their Accords or Lexus.

Interesting thoughts but I don't necessarily agree. I think right now if they lowered taxes it wouldn't change anything. People have been hit so hard I think they will use the extra money to shore up their savings not spend like they think.
Precisely why lowering taxes on businesses does not necessarily mean increased jobs. However, the inverse is almost always true - increase corporate taxes and jobs will be cut.

Why is that 9 times out of 10 a Progressive/Obama/Co3x15t sticker is on a Prius.

Maybe because they get 50 mpg and are made in America and are extremely reliable. You rather they drive a Ford Fusion made in Mexico? The co. name no longer tells you if it is an American car. Those days are over.

Maybe because they get 50 mpg and are made in America and are extremely reliable. You rather they drive a Ford Fusion made in Mexico? The co. name no longer tells you if it is an American car. Those days are over.
Assembled here, I would guess the percentage of American made parts would be lower than an American based profit returning home company.
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Assembled here, I would guess the percentage of American made parts would be lower than an American based profit returning home company.
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I don't know what the prius #'s are since the plant is pretty new, but the Toyota Sienna is assembled in the U.S. w/80% of the parts made here. The Ford fusion is assembled in Mexico with 20% American made parts. My original point was that it may make us feel good to buy a Ford based on the past, but they aren't usually American made anymore.

People didn't by American cars cause they made junk. The bailout, however one looks at it, saved enormous amounts of jobs and prevented huge economic losses in the end. Hard for anyone not to support that.

I don't know what the prius #'s are since the plant is pretty new, but the Toyota Sienna is assembled in the U.S. w/80% of the parts made here. The Ford fusion is assembled in Mexico with 20% American made parts. My original point was that it may make us feel good to buy a Ford based on the past, but they aren't usually American made anymore.

People didn't by American cars cause they made junk. The bailout, however one looks at it, saved enormous amounts of jobs and prevented huge economic losses in the end. Hard for anyone not to support that.

Are the American workers who assemble Siennas unionized? I'd like to know ther answer to that. I bet not, because of those Toyota workers were in the UAW, Toyotas would be (1) more expensive and (2) less reliable.

I'm opposed to the bailouts. It's OK when bad companies go under, that's how people learn. Consider my own example. I work for a small specialty lines insurance company, and we compete regularly with AIG. We are always trying to get more business from AIG. Well, had AIG gone under, we would have been able to grow like crazy. But the feds took my money and gave it to AIG. And when my company competed with AIG on some accounts, we could not believe how low their prices were. When I asked brokers how AIG could possibly bid so low, we were always told that AIG was using TARP money, which wasn't theirs, so they were being reckless with it.

To recap. My company did nothing wrong, but AIG did. In response, the feds took my money and gave it to AIG, and AIG used that money against my company.

How is that fair? How do we explain that to our kids when we tell them, that good decisions are rewarded, and bad decisions have consequences? AIG was the reckless and irresponsible, and for that, they get REWARDED with a taxpayer-funded competitive advantage? Go ahead and defend that.

I don't get it. I'm not sophisticated enough, I guess...

The toyota plant in AL or GA, isn't unionized. There are several down that way when you drive from ATL to Montgomery to Pensacola I believe I saw 3 plants, Toyota, KIA and a Subaru plant.