Mitt Romney has a slogan to "keep America American". MSNBC claims that is a Klan slogan. Turns out that's factually incorrect, and beyond that, any rational person knows that whatever you think of Romney's politics, he's no racist.

Classy.

So just how much MSNBC have you been watching?

-spence

So just how much MSNBC have you been watching?

-spence

That's your response? Based on your usual insanity every time I box you into a corner, I assumed you'd just deny that anyone at MSNBC said that...that's what you usually do, you deny what you posted 10 seconds ago.

Spence, what difference does it make how often I watch that train-wreck of a network? Please tell us all why that's relevent?

What's relevent is that when conservatives say similar things, like Don Imus, they get fired. You and your liberal ilk get a pass. WHat's relevent is that, instead of telling its audience about the pros and cons of Romney's ideas (and YOU WERE THE ONE who said liberals in the media like to challenge their audience, so the timing here is delicious), they try to dismiss him as a Klan sympathizer.

Meanwhile, the only Klan sympathizer in Washington DC was Senator Strom Thurmond (D-WV), who was an adnitted former member of the Klan. MSNBC never held him accountable for that. But Romney is the scary Klansman?? Not Strom Thurmond, who as president pro tempe of the Senate, was 5th in line for succession to the office of president??

Spence, you and your ilk have no shame, and your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You literally have no shame, and you are pathetic.



That's what matters. Not how often I watch those hate-mongers.

This comment was made by a nobody, and they pulled out a heavy hitter (Chris Mathews) to voice the apology on prime time.

Please, don't get me started on FOX News. You don't want to go there.

-spence

And by the way, my name is Pyle.

-Pyle

This comment was made by a nobody, and they pulled out a heavy hitter (Chris Mathews) to voice the apology on prime time.



-spence

Spence, Chris Mathews a heavy hitter?
Your kiddin right?

Spence, Chris Mathews a heavy hitter?
Your kiddin right?
No.

-spence

No.

-spence

Geez, he and Colmes together couldn't get a walk to first base.

Geez, he and Colmes together couldn't get a walk to first base.

Colmes? Juan Williams? Fair and balanced? :rotf2:

Seriously...

-spence

Colmes? Juan Williams? Fair and balanced? :rotf2:

Seriously...

-spence

Spence, why doesn't the presence of Alan Colmes and Juan Williams and Bob Beckel and Kirsten Powers, make Foxnews more balanced? MSNBC has no regular conservative guests on primetime, none whatsoever. From 7 PM until 11 PM, all you see on MSNBC is the former editorial staff from The Daily Worker.

And while Chris Matthews is heavy, he's no heavy hitter. And if an apology wasn't enough for Don Imus, why is it enough when a liberal does it?

And in your usual cowardly fashion, you completely dodged my question of why it matters how often I watch that network.

Pyle, why doesn't the presence of Alan Colmes and Juan Williams and Bob Beckel and Kirsten Powers, make Foxnews more balanced?
Fixed.

Colmes isn't even on any more I don't think. Williams is a mercy hire, he's a lightweight for Brit Hume to beat up on Sundays. Kirsten Powers isn't really all that liberal, but she sure is hot.

MSNBC has no regular conservative guests on primetime, none whatsoever. From 7 PM until 11 PM, all you see on MSNBC is the former editorial staff from The Daily Worker.
MSNBC doesn't have the money to hire all the talent that FOX does so they're going after a niche market. Although you will see Republicans on all the time...and hell, their entire morning program is run by a conservative former House member.

And while Chris Matthews is heavy, he's no heavy hitter. And if an apology wasn't enough for Don Imus, why is it enough when a liberal does it?
Mathews is the elder member of their prime time lineup. But the two remarks are not at all equal...

And in your usual cowardly fashion, you completely dodged my question of why it matters how often I watch that network.
Coward? Hell, I didn't even read your post :hihi:

-spence

Hey Spence, seriously, what liberals do you think Fox should hire to make Fox
Fair and Balanced?

Hey Spence, seriously, what liberals do you think Fox should hire to make Fox
Fair and Balanced?
I don't think who they hire is all that important. It's the nature of the discussion...Chris Wallace has a lot of Right wingers on the Sunday show and it's usually pretty good.

Jim can beotch all he wants about MSNBC but in reality their ratings are nothing compared to FOX News. Assume both sides are dishing out equal proportions of biased or misinformation and the problem on the FOX side is much larger.

-spence

Fixed.

Colmes isn't even on any more I don't think. Williams is a mercy hire, he's a lightweight for Brit Hume to beat up on Sundays. Kirsten Powers isn't really all that liberal, but she sure is hot.


MSNBC doesn't have the money to hire all the talent that FOX does so they're going after a niche market. Although you will see Republicans on all the time...and hell, their entire morning program is run by a conservative former House member.


Mathews is the elder member of their prime time lineup. But the two remarks are not at all equal...


Coward? Hell, I didn't even read your post :hihi:

-spence

"Colmes isn't even on any more I don't think. "

Wrong. He's on O'Reilly, the network's flagship show, all the time. So you just make stuff up to support your inane points?

"Williams is a mercy hire"

Really? Williams often hosts the O'Reilly factor when Bill is away. So you're saying Foxnews hands the reigns OF ITS FLAGSHIP SHOW, to a "mercy hire"?

How would you know he is a mercy hire, anyway?

"MSNBC doesn't have the money to hire all the talent that FOX does so they're going after a niche market"

And that niche market, apparently, is people who have (1) escaped from Bellvue, and (2) ask no questions, and (3) hate everyone who thinks differently than they do.

"Although you will see Republicans on all the time"

Not in prime-time, which is what most folks pay attention to.

Assume both sides are dishing out equal proportions of biased or misinformation and the problem on the FOX side is much larger.

-spence

Who says that assumption is valid, besides you I mean?

I actually watch a lot of both networks...I used to watch Bill O every night until he got really boring.

-spence

I actually watch a lot of both networks...I used to watch Bill O every night until he got really boring.

-spence

How can you say you watched "every night", and then claim that Alan Colmes isn't on the network?

Either you are lying, or you cannot accept what's in front of your face unless it supports your agenda. There simply isn't a 3rd alternative, so you tell me which it is.

Spence, you're making this too easy for me.

How can you say you watched "every night", and then claim that Alan Colmes isn't on the network?

Either you are lying, or you cannot accept what's in front of your face unless it supports your agenda. There simply isn't a 3rd alternative, so you tell me which it is.

Spence, you're making this too easy for me.
My understanding was his relationship with FOX was for a radio show. I've not seen him on Bill O'Riley much, usually Bill has the babes on.

What's your point though? That a few token lefties makes the network have integrity?

-spence

Can I ask a question that is outside of the media discussion?

Was 'Keep America American' actually a prominent Klan slogan?

Even if it was, the reporter was wrong, as Mitt is clearly not channeling his inner Klansman, BUT if it was used in that conitation, maybe Mitt's slogan writers should do some more research, rather than have to backtrack and say he meant 'Keep America, America'

I don't think who they hire is all that important.

-spence

But who in your opinion would be a great liberal to put in the mix for you to say it
is a fair and balanced network?
Besides you saying Chris Matthews, who would be your other liberal "heavy hitters"?

My understanding was his relationship with FOX was for a radio show. I've not seen him on Bill O'Riley much, usually Bill has the babes on.

What's your point though? That a few token lefties makes the network have integrity?

-spence

I already told you my point, but I'll repeat it...It's not possible for an honest, thinking person to (1) watch O'Reilly every night, and (2) claim that Alan Colmes is no longer on Foxnews. Colmes has a regular segment on the O'Reilly factor.

Again, you are either a liar, or someone who cannot process what is taking place in front of his face (that is, unles it supports your agenda).

My understanding was his relationship with FOX was for a radio show. I've not seen him on Bill O'Riley much, usually Bill has the babes on.

What's your point though? That a few token lefties makes the network have integrity?

-spence

"Token" lefties? I already told you, Juan Williams has hosted the O'Reilly factor on many occasions. That's the flagship show on the hottest cable news network. That means Juan Williams is no "token". But despite that irefutable fact, you dismiss him as a "token". That's why I say you're crazy. If an irrefutable fact contradicts your agenda, you have to find a way to dismiss it. Your brain cannot allow for the possibility that Foxnews is the only network that has rational people present both sides. There are smart liberals on O'Reilly every single night. That doesn't happen on MSNBC.

fixed
I actually watch a lot of both networks...I used to watch Bill O every night until he got really boring.
-spence

Can I ask a question that is outside of the media discussion?

Was 'Keep America American' actually a prominent Klan slogan?

Even if it was, the reporter was wrong, as Mitt is clearly not channeling his inner Klansman, BUT if it was used in that conitation, maybe Mitt's slogan writers should do some more research, rather than have to backtrack and say he meant 'Keep America, America'
Yes, it was used by the Klan and other hate groups in the early part of the last century.

-spence

But who in your opinion would be a great liberal to put in the mix for you to say it
is a fair and balanced network?
Besides you saying Chris Matthews, who would be your other liberal "heavy hitters"?
That's a good question. To be honest aside from a little MSNBC I don't really listen to all that much left leaning programming.

I don't even know :huh:

-spence

Yes, it was used by the Klan and other hate groups in the early part of the last century.

-spence

So, the MSNBSocialist reporter was wrong to call Romney a racist (agree, he was wrong), but not wrong that it was a KKK slogan?

changes the story abit, but still doesn't make Mitt a racist.

So, the MSNBSocialist reporter was wrong to call Romney a racist (agree, he was wrong), but not wrong that it was a KKK slogan?

changes the story abit, but still doesn't make Mitt a racist.
Yes, it's a completely different situation than the Imus remark Jim seems obsessed with.

-spence

Agree.
It makes Mitt's slogan writer look pretty stupid though. I figured googling a new slogan was like step 1 or 2 when vetting it....

So, the MSNBSocialist reporter was wrong to call Romney a racist (agree, he was wrong), but not wrong that it was a KKK slogan?

changes the story abit, but still doesn't make Mitt a racist.

He didn't call Romney a racist....he just brought up the story that the slogan was used by the KKK......which could be insinuating that he's a racist.....but they never actually called him that.

I mean its not a leap to think that when reading the story...

He didn't call Romney a racist....he just brought up the story that the slogan was used by the KKK......which could be insinuating that he's a racist.....but they never actually called him that.

I mean its not a leap to think that when reading the story...
No, but it is irresponsible journalism and they should apologize...oops, looks like they already did.

Hell, even Al Sharpton wouldn't run with it :hihi:

-spence

Agree.
It makes Mitt's slogan writer look pretty stupid though. I figured googling a new slogan was like step 1 or 2 when vetting it....

Bry, Romney made a COMMENT, its not his slogan. For the klan, it was a slogan from the 1920s.
How ridiculous is that?

For MSNBC, it was a f'in stretch by any means and one made for the sole intent of disparaging romney. no other reason. they apologized, time to move on. But dont freaking tell me the media is not biased

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl4ZaI_Teoc

Bry, Romney made a COMMENT, its not his slogan. For the klan, it was a slogan from the 1920s.
How ridiculous is that?

For MSNBC, it was a f'in stretch by any means and one made for the sole intent of disparaging romney. no other reason. they apologized, time to move on. But dont freaking tell me the media is not biased

MSNBC and Chris Matthews apologize to Mitt Romney campaign - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl4ZaI_Teoc)

I see... it was a comment, no a slogan... you don't think Mitt vet's that stuff in house?

I'm mainly playing devils advocate. clearly Romney is not a racist, and not one person here is claiming MSNBC doesnt lean way left w/ the exception of 1 host and a few commentators.

There are smart liberals on O'Reilly every single night. That doesn't happen on MSNBC.

I see Michael Steele on MSNBC almost nightly when I flip through the cable news channels. Maybe he doesn't qualify as a smart conservative, I'll leave that for you guys to judge....

I see Michael Steele on MSNBC almost nightly when I flip through the cable news channels. Maybe he doesn't qualify as a smart conservative, I'll leave that for you guys to judge....

FWIW, Steve Schmit was on hardball today.....

Holy sheet, Colmes is on O'riley right now!!!
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Holy sheet, Colmes is on O'riley right now!!!
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So Spence you musta of seen Oriely's interview with Clinton too. :huh:

Funnie you left that out, Fair and Balanced enough for ya. :huh:

So Spence you musta of seen Oriely's interview with Clinton too. :huh:

Funnie you left that out, Fair and Balanced enough for ya. :huh:
I don't think any attempt at an interview with a US President could be taken as biased one way or the other...only an idiot wouldn't accept that.

What I did see that was fair and balanced was that idiot Monica Crowley getting blasted by all three of her guests :uhuh:

-spence

Somebody should stop those Mormons from going door-to-door pushing their cult on people. I'm sick of it.
Two came to my door the other day and I said "Lady, we're Irish Catholics. We have a history of starving to death before converting. Do you think reading that little booklet is going to do it?"

I don't think who they hire is all that important. It's the nature of the discussion...

-spence

So what was wrong with the nature of the discussion between O'rielly and Clinton?

So what was wrong with the nature of the discussion between O'rielly and Clinton?

Nothing, but it's one interview.
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Nothing, but it's one interview.
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Ya, it's hard to get Libs to come on the programs cause they
know they will get creamed.

The Libs are better at offering the folks local beer and hot dog partys. :hihi:

Why go on tv and meet hostility when you have the NYT and CNN on your side setting the agenda?
All the remaining newspapers in the country have been downsized to the point where they don't have national correspondents. The NYT pretty much has a monopoly on the media.
If you've ever read it (which most people won't on principle) you'll note that national television networks pick up their stories, send out a video crew and a reporter and do a tv news version of the same story one-two days later.

Bry, Romney made a COMMENT, its not his slogan. For the klan, it was a slogan from the 1920s.
How ridiculous is that?


For the record, the Original post called it a slogan.
I followed using that term....

That wasn't a comment. Nobody talks like that off the cuff.

-spence

Somebody should stop those Mormons from going door-to-door pushing their cult on people. I'm sick of it.
Two came to my door the other day and I said "Lady, we're Irish Catholics. We have a history of starving to death before converting. Do you think reading that little booklet is going to do it?"

All religions are cults;or were at one time. Unless you have a sign on your front door indicating your denomination how would they know.Similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses (cult/religion) they are compelled to go door to door to spread the word.This is how they serve their God.Respecting others will make you feel good,there is no right or wrong in religion.

All religions are cults;or were at one time. Unless you have a sign on your front door indicating your denomination how would they know.Similar to the Jehovah's Witnesses (cult/religion) they are compelled to go door to door to spread the word.This is how they serve their God.Respecting others will make you feel good,there is no right or wrong in religion.

Not the Jews, you're either chosen or you're not :hihi:

-spence

What about bigamy?
If they can take you away in bracelets, there's a good chance it's probably wrong.
I think they should bring back the Shakers. They were celibate, so once one went, there was one less, and they made great chairs.
"Hearts to God, Hands to Work," and they didn't ring your doorbell twice a month.