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ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 11:39 AM
I think it's time to eliminate school sports programs grades 1-12. They should just do conditioning and other non-competitive physical activities that do not result in injuries which can last a lifetime.
This would create a new industry of private sector athletic businesses where parents and children can choose to participate or not. The cost associated with maintenance of athletic Fields and equipment would be eliminated allowing for the money to be spent on education not competition.

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 11:55 AM
Define Education?

RIROCKHOUND
12-29-2011, 12:03 PM
If sports go under, the whole town goes under..
That's when the whores come in. Men laying their trick-money down. Twenty dollars to pay the rent? Maybe not. Maybe instead I'll spend it on the whore. Whores running around, doing their little behind-shake for the men folk...

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 12:11 PM
Define Education?

The three R's.....reading, riting, and rithmatic:biglaugh:

What does a publicly funded school sports program do that cannot be done by a private entity?

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 12:28 PM
What does a publicly funded school sports program do that cannot be done by a private entity?

Promotes School Pride....

So Three R's......No Art, No Shop, No Music, No Home Ec, No Trades

Because those are all next after you eliminate sports....

My Kids don't play School Sports.....but as far as Education, I bet kids Learn more life lessons in competing then they do in Honors Geometry

Pete F.
12-29-2011, 12:35 PM
Keeps boys out of trouble and gives them a reason to go to school and do well, including the ones whose parents can't afford to pay for sports. Though I do think they should replace football with rugby, save a lot of money on equipment.
Pretty important to give kids a chance to excel, now if you want to talk about wasting money take a look at special education. I am convinced that the education dollars that have been directed to spec ed have come out of the budgets for average and above, the effect in too many cases is to have bored average and above become behavior problems, fall behind and end up needing special services.
It is like the grade school teacher who punishes overactive boys by keeping them in at recess and makes them sit still because they can't sit still.

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 12:37 PM
And how about the increased Drop-out rate when kids quit school because they are bored out of there gourd.

Typhoon
12-29-2011, 12:47 PM
I grew up and played in the hockey machine town of Hingham. There's a micro economy of hockey equipment/time/training school spent by parents it's foolish.

Education is second fiddle when you're on the hockey team. Do you know what 5am practices do to a teenager who needs sleep.

If you want to have hockey schools in the ISL leagues great. Get the pro teams to sponsor the kids. Having a public school team that's like a college team is a little ridiculous.

PRBuzz
12-29-2011, 12:52 PM
Promotes School Pride....

So Three R's......No Art, No Shop, No Music, No Home Ec, No Trades

Because those are all next after you eliminate sports....

My Kids don't play School Sports.....but as far as Education, I bet kids Learn more life lessons in competing then they do in Honors Geometry

Electives would go first: Art, Shop, Music, Home Ec, Trades before sports!

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 01:03 PM
Electives would go first: Art, Shop, Music, Home Ec, Trades before sports!

Depends on the Town...You live in Brockton so, Yeah, Definitely.

In Georgetown it would be tight as to what would go 1st. There are More Kids involved in Music at the School than on the Football Team

They run School Band, Jazz Ensamble, Chorus, Chorale, Acappela Group, Drama....Music is pretty popular in our town.

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 01:47 PM
Promotes School Pride....

So Three R's......No Art, No Shop, No Music, No Home Ec, No Trades

Because those are all next after you eliminate sports....

My Kids don't play School Sports.....but as far as Education, I bet kids Learn more life lessons in competing then they do in Honors Geometry

School pride is just another thought/belief that interferes with the respect and compassion for others that we should be teaching. How many students learn they are inferior to others based upon athletic ability or lack of ability? It's time to eliminate some of the so called pride or feelings of superiority based upon physical games when it comes to public education, all this does is cause people to dislike another humanbeing because they went to the wrong school. I don't recall any of my participation in school sports being required information on any job applications. All it does is give us another reason to discriminate which in my eyes is not whats good for society overall.

Trades can be taught at trade schools, which honestly are an excellent choice for many, one that I wish my parents had considered.

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 02:20 PM
High School Athletics is a requirement for some colleges and helps you get into others....all of the Miltary Academies w/ the Exception of the Coast Guard Academy require you to have taken a High School Sport.

Trade Schools are Public Schools that have a Sports Program as well.

I actually like the fact that schools have so many options for a kid to excel....not just sports. My Son loves music....he got elected to be the Drum Major for band....he definitely does not feel inferior because he doesn't play sports. he looks forward to football games when he get to get out there.

when kids have many options available to grow into they find something that lights a fire for them. What about kids that aren't good at the 3 "R"s...but a light shines for Music, Art, Science, Cooking, or Carpentry....this could be what steers them in that direction in life.

Plenty of kids that played sports go into Sports Medicine and Therapy fields...its not just about throwing a football...its about finding something that lights a fire in a kid. And Competition is not a bad thing....it helps people strive

I'm pretty sure a strict program of Just the 3 "R"s is how they do it in China and North Korea

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 02:52 PM
High School Athletics is a requirement for some colleges and helps you get into others....all of the Miltary Academies w/ the Exception of the Coast Guard Academy require you to have taken a High School Sport.
There are other methods that can be used to replace school sports, once they have been eliminated and replaced with private sector businesses.

Trade Schools are Public Schools that have a Sports Program as well.
Lose the sports program here also.

I actually like the fact that schools have so many options for a kid to excel....not just sports. My Son loves music....he got elected to be the Drum Major for band....he definitely does not feel inferior because he doesn't play sports. he looks forward to football games when he get to get out there.
I was not addressing other programs that are not physically competitive and teach skills that a student can build upon.

when kids have many options available to grow into they find something that lights a fire for them. What about kids that aren't good at the 3 "R"s...but a light shines for Music, Art, Science, Cooking, or Carpentry....this could be what steers them in that direction in life.
All acceptable to me, they are not competitive sports

Plenty of kids that played sports go into Sports Medicine and Therapy fields...its not just about throwing a football...its about finding something that lights a fire in a kid. And Competition is not a bad thing....it helps people strive
Imagine how many more positions would be available to them if the private sector took over competitive sports

I'm pretty sure a strict program of Just the 3 "R"s is how they do it in China and North Korea
I can honestly say I don't have the intellect to post a proper response to this:o

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 03:09 PM
You said Money could be used on Education

The cost associated with maintenance of athletic Fields and equipment would be eliminated allowing for the money to be spent on education not competition.

And I said

Define Education?

You said the 3 "R"s

The three R's.....reading, riting, and rithmatic:biglaugh:


I said that there are things that schools bring that are educational besides the 3 "R"s

when kids have many options available to grow into they find something that lights a fire for them. What about kids that aren't good at the 3 "R"s...but a light shines for Music, Art, Science, Cooking, or Carpentry....this could be what steers them in that direction in life.

Now you have no problem with any of the other activities a school offers.....outside of the 3 "R"s

I was not addressing other programs that are not physically competitive and teach skills that a student can build upon.
:o

I pointed out that Sports can also help light that fire in a kid.....

Plenty of kids that played sports go into Sports Medicine and Therapy fields...its not just about throwing a football...its about finding something that lights a fire in a kid. And Competition is not a bad thing....it helps people strive


And it turns out your real issue is just in sports....kids getting there feelings hurt because they can't make the team

How many students learn they are inferior to others based upon athletic ability or lack of ability? It's time to eliminate some of the so called pride or feelings of superiority based upon physical games when it comes to public education, all this does is cause people to dislike another humanbeing because they went to the wrong school. .


All acceptable to me, they are not competitive sports
:o

How about the Chess Club...or The Debate Team...or a Science Fair...Or DECA

They All Compete there....:huh:

Rockfish9
12-29-2011, 03:27 PM
I hated school.. if not for sports my grades would have gone down the proverbial crapper...if your grades were bad you didnt make the team (s).. it gave me added incentive ( besides Dad's left foot up my keister)to keep a high grade point average..

They need to get rid of the damn computers and teach the kids some real life skills...most of these kids can't cook... dont know how to balance a check book, use a tape measure or add the sum of two numbers with out a calculator...sports in school gives alot of them the only excercise they will get for the week... no one ever got in shape posting on face book or my space..while I'm railing here.. what ever happend to walking to school or to the bus stop... most mornings i get stuck behind school buses that stop every 200'.. you telling me the little darlings can't walk an extra 200'.. no wonder the kids are getting obese...Rant over or I'd be here all night..

fishbones
12-29-2011, 03:28 PM
Ed, this is one of the dumbest ideas floated in this forum in a long time.

If it's because kids will feel inferior, then they should have all kids in the same classes and not have advanced classes for the brightest students because the others will feel inferior.

While they're at it, they should make all kids wear the same uniform to public school every day so no one feels inferior to the kids with the cool threads.

If all goes well, we can have a bunch of young adults with no desire to excell in life and everyone can be the same.

Now, your other idea obout making prostitution legal is great. You should have quit when you were ahead.:uhuh:

fishbones
12-29-2011, 03:53 PM
I played competitive sports and was no slouch, I am also permanently injured due to three bullies who tackled me during flag football in gym class. I was a bully when it came to other bullies, I had a half brother who was both mentally and physically unable to defend himself so when I came to Easton I stood with him and protected him and the rejects as they were called by others. The competitive sports are an unnecessary expense that I feel could be eliminated and replaced by the private sector. At some point people will have to wake up and realize we are all in the same boat and need to respect each other, eliminating the school affiliation to competitive sports would have a positive impact in my twisted mind.

It's still a dumb idea. I'm afraid you're on an island with this one. People have pointed out the flaws in your argument, but you refuse to see any perspective other than your own.

The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 04:21 PM
At some point people will have to wake up and realize we are all in the same boat and need to respect each other,

A Good Coach should be instilling this in his players.....that is the basis of Good Sportsmanship.

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 04:57 PM
It's still a dumb idea. I'm afraid you're on an island with this one. People have pointed out the flaws in your argument, but you refuse to see any perspective other than your own.

I have a bridge from that island or did you overlook the word replaced. I think teamwork could be taught in other ways incorprorated into conditioning without having to beat the other person/team. How many injuries and deaths have to occur before we take a look at school sports? I honestly feel sports teach, reinforce and even promotes disrepect of others.
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fishbones
12-29-2011, 05:08 PM
I have a bridge from that island or did you overlook the word replaced. I think teamwork could be taught in other ways incorprorated into conditioning without having to beat the other person/team. How many injuries and deaths have to occur before we take a look at school sports? I honestly feel sports teach, reinforce and even promotes disrepect of others.
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You're right. I'm going to take my 6 year old son out of soccer baseball, basketball and lacrosse because I don't want him to disrespect people.
It's mainly the parents job to teach a kid to be respectful, along with teachers and coaches. Don't blame sports. If a kid is disrespectful in sports, he or she will be disrespectful in other areas of life. Stop using sports as an excuse.
And if sports are so bad, why is it ok for them to play if it's privatized but not in school? Your argument is ridiculously flawed. And will privatizing sports end injuries and sports related deaths? How many deaths or serious injuries occured in sporting events at OA in 2011?

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 05:23 PM
Perhaps competive sports especially when it comes to children is were civility and respet is removed or eliminated.
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mikecc
12-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Our schools athletics have been 0 funded & self-supporting for years. Lots of hours by parents and students in fundraisers. My daughter was a 3 letter completion. It made a big difference when it came to college. She was able to go to a better college that we would not have been able to afford. She had to keep up her grades or off the team. I can say their record was not the greatest but every girl on the team has gone off to college. I would think that If you privatized the sports programs after a few years if their records were not over 500 or making playoffs that programs would just end.

ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 06:02 PM
Our schools athletics have been 0 funded & self-supporting for years. Lots of hours by parents and students in fundraisers. My daughter was a 3 letter completion. It made a big difference when it came to college. She was able to go to a better college that we would not have been able to afford. She had to keep up her grades or off the team. I can say their record was not the greatest but every girl on the team has gone off to college. I would think that If you privatized the sports programs after a few years if their records were not over 500 or making playoffs that programs would just end.
The programs could be arranged in a way that would for lack of a better term be handicapped by tracking the performance of individuals and moving them around to keep teams somewhat even in terms of ability. It might teach acceptance of others and teach true team work as oppossed to teaching dominance.
Parents who care about there childrens developement are far and few between, I think lots of parents enroll their kids in sports to get them out of their hair.
Mike you have done a great job I have met your daughter.
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Sea Dangles
12-29-2011, 06:04 PM
Competition is a good thing,but it doesn't have to be spurred on by a school event.It is the responsibility of the parent to know their child and guide accordingly.I never understood the need to overdo it though. Most hockey kids are the worst as Typhoon pointed out due to odd ice hours. I think it is important for children to stay busy and to sometimes overload them with responsibilities. How they handle these burdens can shape their lives.They learn to prioritize and occasionally push themselves.Don't kid yourselves though, our children learn their life lessons at home;sports and all the other activities just provide an outlet,or a conduit to express themselves with their peers.

Backbeach Jake
12-29-2011, 06:15 PM
School sports should be mandatory.
They teach respect for rules and that infractions of said rules have penalties.
They offer an outlet for hormonal driven aggression.
They teach teamwork and responsibility.
They teach respect for your opponent.
They teach respect for ones peers.
They teach respect for oneself.
With proper guidence and coaching of course.
All these qualities are sorely lacking in today's American culture.

Slipknot
12-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Do you know what 5am practices do to a teenager who needs sleep.


ya i know, they learn to manage their time better and go to bed early the night before like I did

Education is second fiddle when you're on the hockey team.
it wasn't when I was a kid
I thought grades have to at a certain level or else you are off the team





Ed, no school sports? good luck with that

fishbones
12-29-2011, 06:17 PM
Perhaps competive sports especially when it comes to children is were civility and respet is removed or eliminated.
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Thanks for such detailed answers to my questions.

And Sea Dangles is right. Parents are responsible for teaching core values to their kids, not sports programs.
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ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 06:24 PM
Thanks for such detailed answers to my questions.

And Sea Dangles is right. Parents are responsible for teaching core values to their kids, not sports programs.
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I'm working with a phone and find it difficult enough just trying to post. What questions would you like me to answer?
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ecduzitgood
12-29-2011, 06:34 PM
Ok fishbones I found them, I will respond first by stating this is a discussion not an argument so there are no flaws just different issues that are being twisted together.
I don't know how many injuries or death occur each year but to me public funding should not be used for school sports. Perhaps the professional sport organizations should provide the funding to cover all school sports seeing as they are the ones who benefit most.
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The Dad Fisherman
12-29-2011, 11:02 PM
I don't know how many injuries or death occur each year but to me public funding should not be used for school sports.
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I'd bet that there are more Injuries or Deaths because of alchohol and drug abuse due to kids having nothing better to do after school but get into trouble.....unless maybe Sports was there for them..... Or maybe other after school programs.

A coach can also have a negative impact,] So can a crappy Math Teacher, or a Crappy Parent or Crappy Neighbor.....or a dozen other crappy people that will inevitably come into a kids life. I'd rather they learn how to keep going forward in spite of people like that...instead of getting sour on an entire program

spence
12-29-2011, 11:13 PM
+100




I'd bet that there are more Injuries or Deaths because of alchohol and drug abuse due to kids having nothing better to do after school but get into trouble.....unless maybe Sports was there for them..... Or maybe other after school programs.

So can a crappy Math Teacher, or a Crappy Parent or Crappy Neighbor.....or a dozen other crappy people that will inevitably come into a kids life. I'd rather they learn how to keep going forward in spite of people like that...instead of getting sour on an entire program
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Sea Dangles
12-30-2011, 08:49 AM
Seek counseling immediately.
The system is flawed but you have issues a fishing board can't fix.
Let it go and get on with life.

Raven
12-30-2011, 09:25 AM
i think every school should have a HUGE gardening program (ie for exercise)
as an OPTION rather than all this jogging around the town crap

where you grow food for the school cafeteria so it's picked fresh, eaten fresh
and building your own salad .....is the name of the game....instead of the slop
that resembles food served in a Prison. man i hate canned peas with a passion.
to develop a real understanding of what food is... not this bastardized over processed everything is a box of brownies mentality.

Nutritional awareness and or classes should be MANDATORY only because
the vitamin and or nutrient levels of food today IS HALF what it was 20 years ago. we are energy beings that need "live" food not dead food is my point.
we as a nation have entered into the hypersensitive to all chemicals... times.

WHEN you say food to a kid today they instantly have visions of a big mac or macaroni and cheese or PIZZA... never an apple just plucked off a tree
or a strawberry picked from a patch. PUMPkins are just for decoration and carving jack o lanterns or for SMASHING!!!! :doh:

I see a trend of kids becoming thrill seeking "jackass" junkies and that is all that matters to them...forever... and they just don't realize that every injury they inflict upon themselves recklessly (to show off) today will come back to haunt them later in Life. talk about medical programs and responsibility...
~
I also think that FISHING should be officially recognized as a SPORT in schools
the same as basketball, football, and baseball and track is.....

Perception of time should be taught also ....because it changes dramatically as you age. Not one of you can say that you don't remember staring at one of those big round white wall clocks when you were in school watching the second hand move round in round in slow motion ....minutes seeming like hours.

and

How to best utilize your time as in: What can i accomplish in just ten minutes.

interesting enough is the sudden interest in the political race for the presidency of the USA that could be completely over run by the 18-21 year olds which is going to happen "eventually" and technology might just be the :key: to it happening.

whats next ..... BILLION dollar high schools? why not just strap them in a reclining chair...attach a neuro helmet and pump the education into their brains in one sitting. Schools Over ! go get a job now. bye :wave:

justplugit
12-30-2011, 09:53 AM
School sports should be mandatory.
They teach respect for rules and that infractions of said rules have penalties.
They offer an outlet for hormonal driven aggression.
They teach teamwork and responsibility.
They teach respect for your opponent.
They teach respect for ones peers.
They teach respect for oneself.
With proper guidence and coaching of course.
All these qualities are sorely lacking in today's American culture.

Oh man Fred, you nailed it.
A good coach can turn a young person around and sports teach lessons in
getting up and starting over. Good thing to get knocked on your
arse once in a while.

fishbones
12-30-2011, 09:56 AM
Ok fishbones I found them, I will respond first by stating this is a discussion not an argument so there are no flaws just different issues that are being twisted together.
I don't know how many injuries or death occur each year but to me public funding should not be used for school sports. Perhaps the professional sport organizations should provide the funding to cover all school sports seeing as they are the ones who benefit most.
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Ed, I said your argument was flawed because you gave reasons such as kids feeling inferior, injuries and deaths for not having school sponsored sports programs. But at the same time you said that they should be privatized. If they're that bad for kids, there should be no sports allowed anywhere.

And now that I see your real reason for not liking school sports, I realize you aren't going to change your mind. You had a traumatic experience in HS and blame it on the coach and sports program. It's a shame that you couldn't change the perception people had of you over the next couple years in school and move on. I agree about seeking counseling. This is something you should have gotten past years ago and to let it still bother you this much isn't good for your well-being.

ecduzitgood
12-30-2011, 10:32 AM
Seek counseling immediately.
The system is flawed but you have issues a fishing board can't fix.
Let it go and get on with life.

Thanks for your compassion but this site does have different areas for conversations just like this. You may or may not agree with how I see the world but you haven't walked in my shoes either. My personal experiences have shaped my mind and allow me to discuss issues openly which I think adds to the site. Should I refrain from posting my opinion in the future just to satiate the ones who don't agree with my perspective? I have a feeling some people do agree with me but consider posting the equivalent of touching the third rail, I say speak your mind and stand with your convictions.

What difference does it make whether a juvenile plays competitive sports where they are being trained to beat the other person as opposed to being taught to work with others through conditioning? Competitive sports teaches aggression and aggression isn't always a good thing, it's time to break the cycle.

This discussion has morphed into judging me rather than the issue of the cost associated with competitive sports in public schools and the impact of competitive sports on juveniles both from a physical and psychological perspective.

ecduzitgood
12-30-2011, 10:44 AM
Ed, I said your argument was flawed because you gave reasons such as kids feeling inferior, injuries and deaths for not having school sponsored sports programs. But at the same time you said that they should be privatized. If they're that bad for kids, there should be no sports allowed anywhere.

And now that I see your real reason for not liking school sports, I realize you aren't going to change your mind. You had a traumatic experience in HS and blame it on the coach and sports program. It's a shame that you couldn't change the perception people had of you over the next couple years in school and move on. I agree about seeking counseling. This is something you should have gotten past years ago and to let it still bother you this much isn't good for your well-being.

I only said it could be privatized to allow for flexibility realizing perhaps my experiences have influenced me and extremes such as total elimination of competitive sports might be unreasonable.
Once again my issue was the cost involved with these programs and my belief that something needs to change; isn't that what the populous voted for....change:biglaugh: Without discussions we don't move forward, stop worrying about me and get back to the issue of the cost of competitive sports.

RIJIMMY
12-30-2011, 11:26 AM
Competition is a good thing,but it doesn't have to be spurred on by a school event.It is the responsibility of the parent to know their child and guide accordingly.I never understood the need to overdo it though. Most hockey kids are the worst as Typhoon pointed out due to odd ice hours. I think it is important for children to stay busy and to sometimes overload them with responsibilities. How they handle these burdens can shape their lives.They learn to prioritize and occasionally push themselves.Don't kid yourselves though, our children learn their life lessons at home;sports and all the other activities just provide an outlet,or a conduit to express themselves with their peers.

jeezus, I agree with you.
ROckfish - those life skills you noted should be taught by the parents, not school. Its my job to teach them to cook, manage money, etc. I also think its my job to reinforce reading, math etc.
as for the original post, i have no idea what problem this would solve. Im not a sports guy but encourage my kids to play. its good for them, I want them to get knocked down and defeated. Its not handling success that builds charcter, its handling failure. I think competitive sports build that.

Sea Dangles
12-30-2011, 02:01 PM
[QUOTE=ecduzitgood;910944]Thanks for your compassion but this site does have different areas for conversations just like this. You may or may not agree with how I see the world but you haven't walked in my shoes either. My personal experiences have shaped my mind and allow me to discuss issues openly which I think adds to the site. Should I refrain from posting my opinion in the future just to satiate the ones who don't agree with my perspective? I have a feeling some people do agree with me but consider posting the equivalent of touching the third rail, I say speak your mind and stand with your convictions.



What difference does it make whether a juvenile plays competitive sports where they are being trained to beat the other person as opposed to being taught to work with others through conditioning? Competitive sports teaches aggression and aggression isn't always a good thing, it's time to break the cycle.





You have to get past the scars,whether real or imagined.I am participating in the discussion and that is my advice. The fact that nobody has agreed with you speaks volumes regarding your unique perspective.There is no shame in seeking help,but if you decide not to I am afraid the scars won't heal and there will be nobody to blame but yourself.Good Luck and Happy New Year.

ecduzitgood
12-30-2011, 02:41 PM
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http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/sports/091022_phillies_fans_out_of_controlhttp://www.inquisitr.com/26122/la-lakers-fans-riot-outside-the-staples-center/

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These are just a few incidents and don't forget Victoria Snelgrove was a victim also.

Do I have to list players next?

fishbones
12-30-2011, 02:50 PM
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Referee Attacked By Fan During Youth Basketball Game In Lowell CBS Boston (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/28/referee-attacked-by-fan-during-youth-basketball-game-in-lowell/)

Western Pa. High School Football Fans Out Of Control - News Story - WPXI Pittsburgh (http://www.wpxi.com/news/14553910/detail.html)

Soccer Fans Out of Control In Europe - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,832213,00.html)

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/sports/091022_phillies_fans_out_of_controlhttp://www.inquisitr.com/26122/la-lakers-fans-riot-outside-the-staples-center/

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These are just a few incidents and don't forget Victoria Snelgrove was a victim also.

You actually think that because there are a bunch of instances where someone did something stupid at a sporting event, all school sports should be replaced? Besides the fact that you listed pro and college sporting events, do you have any idea how many school athletic events there are around the country on any given day, never mind over the course of an entire school year? How many HS sporting event have you gone to in your life where a referee was attacked or there was a riot? Never mind that you posted about mostly fan issues, not the athletes. Please, listen to Sea Dangles and get some professional help.

The Dad Fisherman
12-30-2011, 02:55 PM
I asked my son, who is a senior in High School right now whether they should do away with Sports at School.

His response "I don't play Sports and I don't really follow Sports, but thats a Bad Idea"

I asked Him Why.

He said "Well, its good to compete for things, the kids are leaning team work, and It teaches you that you don't win all the time but you keep trying til you do"

I think he's Spot On....

The Dad Fisherman
12-30-2011, 02:56 PM
Five Things You Can Learn From Playing Sports

Sports can be good for a lot of things and this includes having fun, being with friends, and excelling at something you are good at. But there are many lessons that can be learned from playing sports as well and you should be well aware of these lessons so that you can look out for them.

By looking out for these lessons, it means that you will be more aware of the things that you are learning and knowing what is lacking in yourself as a person. Here are some lessons you can take with you just by playing sports.

• Learn about health – You will only really know about your physical health and condition if you do something physical like getting involved in sports. While playing a particular sport, you will learn how to keep yourself in top shape, according to the demands of that sport. You will also learn about diets and how to make yourself stronger, faster, and more acute to certain physical things that you were not aware of before. This is something that will ensure you great physical health and this is one major reason that you should get into sports.

• Learn about objectives – The one thing about sports is that there is always a goal and that is how to succeed in the sport by playing it right. This is something that you can bring along with you in the real world. There are certain objectives in life that you must discern for yourself. The lesson you can take from different sports is that you must focus on those objectives and strive to achieve them as diligently as you can.

• Learn to enjoy success – When you win a game in a particular sport, you are never sad. In fact, this is the cause for great celebration. This is another lesson that you can bring with you into your real life. When you succeed at something, make sure that you celebrate and be happy about it; don't be grumpy and get greedy for more.

• Learn that you can lose – Since you can win, you must understand that you can also lose as well. Losing should not be taken as something negative; it should help you to strive even further and to push yourself to be better. This is something that sports can teach you because in sports, when you lose, you improve the way you perform and you can try again to win. This is something that you should also do in your real life as well.

• Learn about teamwork – Many sports involve more than just one or two players. This is important because each person in a team in sports thinks differently and performs differently. You learn to work with each other's strengths and improve on each other's weaknesses. This is the kind of mentality that you can bring to your real life as well as at work and even at home. Good teamwork is something that will help everybody in a group or team to achieve success.

The Dad Fisherman
12-30-2011, 03:00 PM
You actually think that because there are a bunch of instances where someone did something stupid at a sporting event, all school sports should be replaced? Besides the fact that you listed pro and college sporting events, do you have any idea how many school athletic events there are around the country on any given day, never mind over the course of an entire school year? How many HS sporting event have you gone to in your life where a referee was attacked or there was a riot? Never mind that you posted about mostly fan issues, not the athletes. Please, listen to Sea Dangles and get some professional help.

Most of those incidents he listed were fans...not the athletes too...Maybe if they actually played the sport they may have behaved better.

tysdad115
12-30-2011, 03:01 PM
In my town the only sports that involve school are grades 9-12, all other sports are town affiliated leagues which we pay for. So in theory we are talking 4 years, the competitive drive/ character issues start way before high school. In my eyes they started at tball..and they increase as the childs league/skill level increases. That being said it starts in other leagues that have nothing to do with school which are "private" and not funded by money used for education. I pay to have my son play whatever he wants to.

ecduzitgood
12-30-2011, 03:11 PM
Five Things You Can Learn From Playing Sports

Sports can be good for a lot of things and this includes having fun, being with friends, and excelling at something you are good at. But there are many lessons that can be learned from playing sports as well and you should be well aware of these lessons so that you can look out for them.

By looking out for these lessons, it means that you will be more aware of the things that you are learning and knowing what is lacking in yourself as a person. Here are some lessons you can take with you just by playing sports.

• Learn about health – You will only really know about your physical health and condition if you do something physical like getting involved in sports. While playing a particular sport, you will learn how to keep yourself in top shape, according to the demands of that sport. You will also learn about diets and how to make yourself stronger, faster, and more acute to certain physical things that you were not aware of before. This is something that will ensure you great physical health and this is one major reason that you should get into sports.

• Learn about objectives – The one thing about sports is that there is always a goal and that is how to succeed in the sport by playing it right. This is something that you can bring along with you in the real world. There are certain objectives in life that you must discern for yourself. The lesson you can take from different sports is that you must focus on those objectives and strive to achieve them as diligently as you can.

• Learn to enjoy success – When you win a game in a particular sport, you are never sad. In fact, this is the cause for great celebration. This is another lesson that you can bring with you into your real life. When you succeed at something, make sure that you celebrate and be happy about it; don't be grumpy and get greedy for more.

• Learn that you can lose – Since you can win, you must understand that you can also lose as well. Losing should not be taken as something negative; it should help you to strive even further and to push yourself to be better. This is something that sports can teach you because in sports, when you lose, you improve the way you perform and you can try again to win. This is something that you should also do in your real life as well.

• Learn about teamwork – Many sports involve more than just one or two players. This is important because each person in a team in sports thinks differently and performs differently. You learn to work with each other's strengths and improve on each other's weaknesses. This is the kind of mentality that you can bring to your real life as well as at work and even at home. Good teamwork is something that will help everybody in a group or team to achieve success.

Only competitive sports can teach these thing? Why not sports that have no potential to cause injuries?

Once again though, my original intent was to reduce the cost to the taxpayer and realocate the monies spent on something a little less confrontational. How about conditionig and billiards for instance.

Sea Dangles
12-30-2011, 03:14 PM
Went to my oldest sons wrestling event in Marshfield yesterday,it was held at the high school on vacation week with around 20 towns represented.Yeah they try to beat eachother but most importantly they shook hands after every fight regardless of outcome. Some kids were upset they lost but the coaches made sure there was good sportsmanship.The fact that girls were competing was a surprise. Even more of a surprise was seeing a child with Downs syndrome competing with his peers. My sons second match was against a physically disabled youth who also had the courage to compete despite a legitimate handicap he has endured since birth.His appearance alone made me cringe but he submitted my boy in the 1st round. I have never been so proud. Thank goodness for school sports and the opportunities it provides the winners and losers alike.If that is not a life lesson then what is.

ecduzitgood
12-30-2011, 03:19 PM
Most of those incidents he listed were fans...not the athletes too...Maybe if they actually played the sport they may have behaved better.

I'll bet most of them played competitive sports when they were in school.

Report: Eight percent of scholarship players have criminal records | CollegeFootballTalk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/02/report-eight-percent-of-scholarship-players-have-criminal-records/)

NFL commentary: Dealing with criminal behavior by pro football players - by Denver Washington - Helium (http://www.helium.com/items/1288241-nfl-players-criminal-behavior)

I'm sure you folks who are avid sports fans can think of many pro's that aren't good characters. If it builds such good character why even have drug testing for atheletes???

fishbones
12-30-2011, 03:38 PM
I'll bet most of them played competitive sports when they were in school.

Report: Eight percent of scholarship players have criminal records | CollegeFootballTalk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/02/report-eight-percent-of-scholarship-players-have-criminal-records/)

NFL commentary: Dealing with criminal behavior by pro football players - by Denver Washington - Helium (http://www.helium.com/items/1288241-nfl-players-criminal-behavior)

I'm sure you folks who are avid sports fans can think of many pro's that aren't good characters. If it builds such good character why even have drug testing for atheletes???

Why have drug testing for Home Depot employees? Do you ever look in the police log in the local paper? Do you think that the majority of criminals played HS sports and that's why they turned to crime?

And saying "I bet those fans played sports" is lame and a cop out. I could just as easily say I bet many of those NFL players who commit crimes went to church as kids. That must be why they turned out the way they did.

I just don't get why you have to beat this dead horse. We get it, you were embarrassed by a coach and had your feelings hurt by some of your teamates, but by and large, most HS sports programs are well run and benefits the kids and by extension the parents.

Swimmer
12-30-2011, 04:44 PM
We started sliding down this slope when most if not all schools eliminated gym.

Swimmer
12-30-2011, 04:48 PM
Went to my oldest sons wrestling event in Marshfield yesterday,it was held at the high school on vacation week with around 20 towns represented.Yeah they try to beat eachother but most importantly they shook hands after every fight regardless of outcome. Some kids were upset they lost but the coaches made sure there was good sportsmanship.The fact that girls were competing was a surprise. Even more of a surprise was seeing a child with Downs syndrome competing with his peers. My sons second match was against a physically disabled youth who also had the courage to compete despite a legitimate handicap he has endured since birth.His appearance alone made me cringe but he submitted my boy in the 1st round. I have never been so proud. Thank goodness for school sports and the opportunities it provides the winners and losers alike.If that is not a life lesson then what is.

You have every reason to be proud.

ecduzitgood
01-03-2012, 12:43 PM
There has to be a better way to teach what competitive sports teaches without the cost that goes along with competitive sports, both from a school budget perspective and the prevention of injuries to the students.
High school hockey player paralyzed after hit into boards - Prep Rally - High SchoolBlog - Yahoo! Sports (http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/High-school-hockey-player-paralyzed-after-hit-in?urn=highschool-wp10640)

Sea Dangles
01-03-2012, 12:54 PM
Ban driver ed. too. A lot of those kids eventually get into a car crash.

Art can't be good,didn't Fawn Liebowitz die in a kiln explosion?

Music? more druggies coming down the pipeline.Ban it.

Sewing!!! see Numbskull for evidence to outlaw.

Woodshop can only lead to injuries also.

spence
01-03-2012, 01:24 PM
Art can't be good,didn't Fawn Liebowitz die in a kiln explosion?
Yep, good memory.

-spence

The Dad Fisherman
01-03-2012, 01:45 PM
We might as well just institute a New School Uniform...

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