or can you figure its busy by now i was down there today for 7 hrs all morning i cant tell you where :D but i personally seen a 35lber come out of there today plus some other good keepers, me still nothing! not on lack of effort, i just dont have a clue what im doin, ill be the first to admit it over 500 cast today shoulders are feeling it and nothing, i used every lure i had in the box and im ready to do it again!!!!:happy:

No BS this time. If you do not have live herring, go somewhere else for a week or two.

First reason, your chances are so slim to hook up that you would do better a little away from the run.

2nd Reason, due to the first reason, let the guys who work real hard to ge the live ones have the spots in front of the run. Just a courtesy thing from my point of view.

i usally fish by boat and yesterday i figure ill go take a ride to onset well i run into all kinds of private property no fishing allowed so i head to the canal well to my suprise everyone is hooking up so i find a spot and i procceed to fish well a guy says here try a herring instead of the plastic looking fish i was useing he didnt tell me to get out of there he showed me how to fish herring and i thank him well the tide went out and everyone left and i started seagulling dead herring off the rocks i was obssessed to catch a fish i fished the next 5 hrs till 7pm without anyone telling me i was in the wrong so pat until you ready to show me around by foot dont tell me i did something wrong im not a jerk who would squeeze in there and start throwing lures around i kept my distance and watched!!! some people left and then i went down there you got to love this, people on here dont want to tell you stuff until your doing something wrong then theyll tell you! all i hear is get out there and learn yourself put your time in well i did that yesterday and me and all the guys at the canal had an awsome day thanks pat for the advise from now on ill stick to my boat in rhode island oh and by the way i should have bought my permit so i could have worked hard standing in line to get my bucket filled by some guy!!

BP, Sorry Bro but just because someone took the time to get live herring doesn't mean I'm going to give up a spot for them. mrmacey is just trying to put in his time and learn as he goes and as long as he's not on top of someone already there, fish on brother.
Not trying to start anything here and yes, the lack of live herring may or may not be why he wasn't catching, but cut the dude some slack. It's all good!:D :D :D

Just a few friendly pointers. My first advise is the obvious. Go and take a day and watch and listen to what they are doing. Next is tides. If the current is going West go to the right of the herring run. If going East go to the left of the run. You do not have to be right next to the run either. I like it a ways away from the actual run. Most go near the run because they don't want to lug the herring any futher then they have to, or they want to be around all the herring in the water. The problem with that is there are so many herring in the water it is hard for the stripers to pick out your offering. I like the last 3 hrs. of the East tide first 3 hrs. of the West. West tide usually produces the best. This being that the water is the warmest during this 6 hr. period. Try to fish during the week. The weekend is a zoo with many people not having a clue of what to do. During the week you usually will be fishing with seasoned veterans who know what they are doing. With these guys you can fish side by side and have no problems because they know when and where to cast and what to do when someone hooks up. Fishing weekends can be very frustrating at the herring run, what I call amateur hour. Just be aware of this and you can save some stress.
Recap: Fish the 6 hr. period I mentioned if time restrictions are a problem, get a canal tide chart. Get away from the actual run, fishing either side with tidal consideration. Put your time in, hopefully during the week, and you will be an expert before you know it. Good luck and have fun.

Patrick owns the canal? mrmacey you can fish next to me anytime.

Chris

Mr Macey, I wouldn't give up so easy and I definately wouldn't stop fishing b/c I didn't have any live herring. Try some 7" Rebel swimmers with a gold belly and black back or some of the olive over white 7" gags grabbers. If you look at herring they are kinda goldish so try yellow gibbs bottle plugs or darters if you like wood. Retrieve these really slow. Toss it out there a little up tide and let it grab the water and feel the plug pulsate. Alot of times you don't even need to retrieve it but give it a "little" jerk every now and then to make it flash like a herring does. If you show up next to guys fishing herring there drift will be much longer than yours so you need to respect their space, but it holds true for the heathens if you were there first. I'd look for the real estate about 100-150 yrds down tide from the run just out of the way of the herring chuckers, it's tougher to trick fish to eat plastic when they have twice as much of the real thing in their faces.

some guys willing to explain instead of complain thanks i was out all day again down portsmouth nothing again but thats allright i caught my sunburn for the day hopefully were still on red for monday i have to work now the rest of the weekend but anytime during the week someone wants a free boat ride for some experience your more than welcome to come with me i dont know about that mt hope bay should i go shore fishing at night maybe ill get one im due :happy: my wife says i get an a+ for effort!!

...mrmacey...keep at it, you'll get yours. :)

I could be wrong, but I don't think BasicPat meant what you think he meant. It's tough competing with Live herring during herring season. I'm not saying it's impossible...I'm just saying it's tough. As far as letting the guys who did the hard work have the spot...:hs:.."last one there's a rotten egg"...If your feet are planted first, let the herring guy go somewhere else. He should respect the fact that you were there first. The canal will be a very crowded place for the next few ****...and they'll be plenty of line-crossers who don't know how to fish a swiftly moving current. If your fishing Rhode Island and you can't score any herring...word on the water is...scup are showing up. Live-line a legal sized scup. :D

Happy Hunting-

Mr. Macey,

I am sorry if I did not articulate what I was trying to say in a clear manner. Let me restate and try to clarify.

1st...
Originally you said you did not have a clue as to what you were doing.

I was trying to urge you not waste your time...(translated)...get frustrated throwing plugs at Bass feeding on live Herring right in front of a run. The odds are horrible to competete directly with those throwing live.

Take that Plug (I reccomend a black-backed bronze sided Beachmaster available at CMS) and go behind the Maritime Academy to the flats between the ball field and the rocks before the marina/launch ramp. Fish the flats at high water and into the dump and you can pull some of those fish a bit away from the run. There you will not have to compete with hundreds to thousands of live herring. The same 35# fish are around there but are more spread out with less of the real baits. Your odds increase to land that 35#er

2nd...
I do not want anyone to ever give up a spot they got to first and in no way meant that.

Furthermore, I do not fish that place as it is no longer enjoyable to me due to all the headaches mentioned above by others.

You referred to 500 casts and nothing to show but were ready to do it again. If that is what you want to do and are enjoying it, go for it and good luck. I understood what you posted to be seeking advice on getting your own 35#er from there. I also assumed that you saw all the herring tanks, baskets, etc and since you were not asking about them, had decided to not go that route.

All this in mind, I suggested to fish elsewhere as in away from the mouth of a run without the live herring. You know, like fishing around the pod of bait, not in the middle of it, hust on a grander scale.

As you saw there is a general consensus of how to fish that spot. Not unlike fishing Charlestown Breachway doing the cast, drift, rotate thing out on the jetty. I did not like doing it that way the first time I was there but I learned and bam, now I do it in the fall with sucess along with the next guy.

Finally, Ask around and you will find that your impression of me is mistaken. I would gladly take you fishing with me this weekend. I will be fishing all day on both Saturday and Sunday. PM me if you are interested. I would gladly show you how to collect live Herring and store them, though I am gettin Herring Friday evening. I will gladly take you to the places around the Buzzards Bay area that I will be throwing them without crowds. Places that also give up the good ones. There is a Bluefish blitz in the weekend plans also.

I am very glad to hear that you had a positive experience with the guys at the run. It gives me hope, but as stated earlier, it can be crazy down there and I would never throw a novice to that spot into the mix without someone who knows the game.

Once again, I apologise if you got the wrong impression from my original post. I hope have clarified my comments.

If you can make it this weekend...its gonna be fun

i just had an awsome day yea i didnt have a clue as to what i was doing someone showed me gave me a herring and said throw it out there let it drift i was doing all right felt a good hit but didnt get it so as the tide went out everyone left i dont know why :D not me i stayed till the next tide started coming in i was throwing storms and picking up dead herrings i wanted one of those stripers well little to say i didnt catch anything im just a fishing addict who does not care if i catch anything i just like being out there i was out the day before and lost about 40.00 worth of stuff i even managed to get spooled by your guess is as good as mine i figure it was a tire under the water that i got hooked on in the current cause it ran with my line till i hit the backing and it snapped and then i was out there all day yesterday these guys say there catching 100s i couldnt find nothing went all over mount hope bay i even bought frozen herring i had fun though and here it is 430 am and im ready to go again figure ill try the canal again where your talkin about i work weekends or id be happy to go with you im off during the week which in away is better dont want me around throwing weighted objects to close to people:D ive read and ill practice ill get this or ill go broke trying thanks for clearing that up i just dont like constructive critisizm when im tired sunburnt and 40.00 lighter in my gear i want to learn i would sit there all day watching i cant wait for one of these legs so i can go watch how people use plugs so until then ill meet people out there ill take people out on the boat ill learn well im going to get ready im off to try it again thanks pat see you out there!!!:happy:

Just a quick point.... with posting a message there is no inflection of voice so things said, sometimes dont read the way they might have sounded if said in person. :eek:

Thanks for understanding Mr. MAcey,

That is what I like about this board in general. the majority of us are openminded to hearing each other and straightening out things like this without it becoming DDDRRRAAAMMMAAA


hope we can hook up sometime and wet a line.

good luck

This thread has been good advice for you. Herring is definately the ticket right now but, they don't have to be alive. I caught 2 keepers on fresh whole dead herring yesterday and released the fish. I was fishing downstream of the crowd and if you stop and think about it, the bass don't always eat every herring that they kill and a lot of fishers loose herring that are only injured.

Give it a try and good luck. :) :) :cool: :cool:

this morning got there too early through a couple lures nothing then a herring guy came we started talkin he was from boston nice guy so ended up back at canal ch#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g herring with him nothing! froze my butt down there! wind was howling gonna go out on the boat with him next week so thats it with fishing for now i gots to work all weekend which is cool supposed to be bad weather all weekend and then monday 70s hope were going out red theres cod out there with our name s on them all in all i had a good few days alot of fishing learned all about herring fishing and the etiquite that goes with it