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Something to think about this Nov :uhuh:

This is the cost here and now where I live:

Outrageous! I'm approximately .90 cents cheaper.....

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Something to think about this Nov :uhuh:

This is the cost here and now where I live:

I CANT wait for Nov

What about marine diesel down there?
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I CANT wait for Nov

Why? What will the next (or can this) president do to directly reduce costs of gas/diesel at the pump?

For the record. these prices suck. But when it was 3.50 under Bush all we heard was the president didn't have any control over the price of gas!

boating is going to be interesting with these fuel prices. Almost glad I didn't upgrade to the 23 footer

Why? What will the next (or can this) president do to directly reduce costs of gas/diesel at the pump?

For the record. these prices suck. But when it was 3.50 under Bush all we heard was the president didn't have any control over the price of gas!

That's because Bush never got blamed for anything:rotf2:

Talking point to media..."What can the President do about gas prices? Not much"
Sheeple

I for one won't be doing the 100 gallon trips down past the golf balls this year to chase June tuna. Nor Wildcat cod trips.

What about marine diesel down there?
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The problem here is there really is only one supplier, and can charge what he wants. He as been sued several times but he wins each time. (you cannot prove any collusion among stations...but it goes on, they are all the same.) As to diesel, We now have a choice...there is a guy now who is competing with local supplier. He has a number of trucks. (no big storage facility) He brings high quality diesel fuel from Boston. The marine stuff is excellent fuel. Much better than the bottom of the the barge discount sludge the local guy sells here. (at top dollar) (Dozens of stories about guys who bought fuel here and had major problems)
You can see it in your filters...my filters last all season now and look great. I use to change them every 50 hours!
I generally get it right from the truck right to my boat. I meet the truck at a certain spot. He texts me where he is going to be and I meet him. He has all the fisherman on his phone and he shotguns a text to all of them. It works great, he is normally within a penny of falmouth fuel. Which is .80-1.30 less than the local guy. (In the beginning he was even cheaper than that and delivered right to your slip but the town stopped that and now he maintains cost with the mainland.) If you are worried about the shark tourny...look for the fuel truck parked down by the opening to OB harbor at 5:00 or so, you will see the boats start lining up. That is the fuel you want...or go to Falmouth. That is what I recommend for now. I think next year there could be a new stationary fueling option in OB, serving up quality gas and marine diesel. We are working on it.

Also, the MV commission are a bunch of environmental whaco's and actually do not want you to burn gas or fuel. They want higher prices to discourage you. They will come right out and tell you this. So they do nothing. People have proposed opening new gas stations that provided inexpensive fuel (using other providers) and they deny the permit as it will cause "traffic jams" and hardship against existing stations. REALLY!!

I agree at these prices they are expecting this year, I am actually trying to get a slip so I can still enjoy the boat, some what. Or I am going to get a big tarp and a mast and turn her into a sailboat :D

Why? What will the next (or can this) president do to directly reduce costs of gas/diesel at the pump?

For the record. these prices suck. But when it was 3.50 under Bush all we heard was the president didn't have any control over the price of gas!

Using the "can't wait for November" logic we need to update the Constitution and get Clinton back in there ASAP. I want some $1.00 gas.

Seriously though, graphs over time are interesting to look at. Not particularly helpful in assigning blame or exempting any president if that's the goal. If you wanted to make a leap of blaming some one - both Obama and Bush are on the hook because they are/were the MIC while prices have gone up.

Cliff's Notes for the ADD crowd - Adjusted for inflation, gas prices have steadily declined since the 1920's (not counting occasional spikes). Since the turn of the century, they have steadily marched upwards, even adjusted for inflation. 2 presidents and almost 3 terms of office haven't really changed that.

Solutions as it relates to fishing? Hope your local fishery stays hot and/or learn it well so you don't have to travel as far...

How High Gas Prices Have Been Over the Years (http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/02/27/how-high-have-gas-prices-risen-over-the-years/)

Charting the Dramatic Gas Price Rise of the Past Decade (http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/03/14/charting-the-dramatic-gas-price-rise-of-the-last-decade/)

Using the "can't wait for November" logic we need to update the Constitution and get Clinton back in there ASAP. I want some $1.00 gas.

Seriously though, graphs over time are interesting to look at. Not particularly helpful in assigning blame or exempting any president if that's the goal. If you wanted to make a leap of blaming some one - both Obama and Bush are on the hook because they are/were the MIC while prices have gone up.

Cliff's Notes for the ADD crowd - Adjusted for inflation, gas prices have steadily declined since the 1920's (not counting occasional spikes). Since the turn of the century, they have steadily marched upwards, even adjusted for inflation. 2 presidents and almost 3 terms of office haven't really changed that.

Solutions as it relates to fishing? Hope your local fishery stays hot and/or learn it well so you don't have to travel as far...

How High Gas Prices Have Been Over the Years (http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/02/27/how-high-have-gas-prices-risen-over-the-years/)

Charting the Dramatic Gas Price Rise of the Past Decade (http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/03/14/charting-the-dramatic-gas-price-rise-of-the-last-decade/)
Good post. Thanks for the links. With the obvious political motivation behind its creation, this entire thread belongs in the caves of the Political Section.

For the record. these prices suck. But when it was 3.50 under Bush all we heard was the president didn't have any control over the price of gas!

Your ears must have been plugged because all I heard was that Bush was an oil baron, Halliburton and Cheney were profiting from the high gas prices, we invaded Iraq to steal their oil........

for the record, I made a point to note the gas price when O took office, I was paying $1.75

Your ears must have been plugged because all I heard was that Bush was an oil baron, Halliburton and Cheney were profiting from the high gas prices, we invaded Iraq to steal their oil........

for the record, I made a point to note the gas price when O took office, I was paying $1.75

I heard the same thing.
The problem is, the folks defending Bush, are now the same ones blaming Obama. You can't have it both ways....

I heard the same thing.
The problem is, the folks defending Bush, are now the same ones blaming Obama. You can't have it both ways....

Ummm. It was $1.75!!!

Ummm. It was $1.75!!!

How about the summer of 2008?

How about the summer of 2008?

I was pissed at Bush too. Now if in 5 months you want to compare O to GWB then we can.

as much as i'm not a obama fan its not him, its the traders on wallstreet lining there pockets, speculation. thats it. right now demand is down, oil reserves up , and we still have high prices because of all the crap in the middle east. traders use it as a excuse and speculate a problem driveing up crude prices. And for the record most traders trading energy love the high prices.
my brother works for a high end firm in nyc.....i constantly bitch to him about it.

If you think the President has nothing to do with gas prices wait to you see it drop as November nears. Happened last time and will happen again. If Obama gets in we will top $5.00.

Watching the futures market on gas,todays price is roughly 3.28 a gallon with state taxes,shipping and gas station profits there is usually a 60-80 cent addition to the futures price. Gas prices right now should be around 3.90-4.00 a gallon. Might not be a bad idea to fuel up and save a few bucks,got gas in Lakeville today at 3.69 a gallon Lets hope the lower price currently is reflecting weak demand at the pump and drives the price of fuel down for the season.

At the rate the gov't is printing money, they'll never be able to drive the prices down. It's pushing the inflation rate so high on everything including gasoline. It's only going to get worse.

Big bo is the smart one with a small center console that gets great gas !!! Smart man :)

Big bo is the smart one with a small center console that gets great gas !!! Smart man :)
Yeah, but I'm not out there chasing the BF like you are Mark.

A lot of people say fuel is the cheapest part of boat ownership.
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A lot of people say fuel is the cheapest part of boat ownership.
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Its true.

Not to drag poiitics into it, but Obama has said he wants to see gas prices here the same as they are in Europe, i.e. $10 a gallon or more.

It's not stopping me from going with a larger vessel. Look out fluke!!!

Not to drag poiitics into it, but Obama has said he wants to see gas prices here the same as they are in Europe, i.e. $10 a gallon or more.
Not to drag politics into it, but no he didn't.
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Not to drag politics into it, but no he didn't.
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well, does Obama want the price to reflect the same as Europe or not...............

well, does Obama want the price to reflect the same as Europe or not...............

Says who?
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My question is, Did Obama actually say he wants the price of gas here to reflect the same price as in Europe?

I thought I remembered that he did but not 100% sure......

My question is, Did Obama actually say he wants the price of gas here to reflect the same price as in Europe?

I thought I remembered that he did but not 100% sure......

You mean you remember what the fat stupid drug addled pay for kiddie sex in the DR talking heads tell you.

snopes.com: President Obama on High Gas Prices (http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/getused.asp)

Also what flailing AND failing candidates tell you.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/14/newt-gingrich/gingrich-said-energy-secretary-advocated-raising-g/

You mean you remember what the fat stupid drug addled pay for kiddie sex in the DR talking heads tell you.

snopes.com: President Obama on High Gas Prices (http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/getused.asp)

Also what flailing AND failing candidates tell you.

PolitiFact | Gingrich said energy secretary advocated raising gas prices (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/14/newt-gingrich/gingrich-said-energy-secretary-advocated-raising-g/)

No, not what I mean. It was a yes or no question that I was asking about.....glad you chimed in though

Time to offer another fuel alternative. When gas prices skyrocketed in the early 70's the country switched tr uck ing to diesel in about 5 or 6 years. This same process is occurring again now with natural gas (compressed and LNG). You will see nat gas marine engines in the not too near distant future.

Westport Innovations is the global leader in this technology. Regardless of which OEM LNG nat gas engine you buy it will have Westport technology likely through at least 2018 (massive patent protfolio).

WPRT closed today at $46.90/share.

Watching the futures market on gas,todays price is roughly 3.28 a gallon with state taxes,shipping and gas station profits there is usually a 60-80 cent addition to the futures price. Gas prices right now should be around 3.90-4.00 a gallon. Might not be a bad idea to fuel up and save a few bucks,got gas in Lakeville today at 3.69 a gallon Lets hope the lower price currently is reflecting weak demand at the pump and drives the price of fuel down for the season.

$3.64 in Whitinsville this AM

A lot of people say fuel is the cheapest part of boat ownership.
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That is because most people don't use their boat very much...

Probably because the price of fuel!!!:rotf2:

Time to offer another fuel alternative. When gas prices skyrocketed in the early 70's the country switched tr uck ing to diesel in about 5 or 6 years. This same process is occurring again now with natural gas (compressed and LNG). You will see nat gas marine engines in the not too near distant future.

Westport Innovations is the global leader in this technology. Regardless of which OEM LNG nat gas engine you buy it will have Westport technology likely through at least 2018 (massive patent protfolio).

WPRT closed today at $46.90/share.

I would love to see a move to nat gas for vehicles...the problem is it will take some infrastructural built out (convert gasoline stations to carry nat gas). This is just not happening to any great extent. If I was running this would be my major energy platform:
a) move to nat gas NOW for transportation
- immediate national work project built out infrastructure to support this (ie create millions of NEW jobs today!) No handouts, just solid jobs
b) invest heavily in energy R&D (all phases) and provide strong incentives for kids to study math, science and medicine, no incentive for anything else. (probably full tuition deduction with good grades)
c) incentives for auto companies to produce and sell nat gas vehicles.
d) incentives for consumers to trade in gasoline for nat gas vehicles

This will do 5 huge things for this country:

1) Buy us some time...probably at least 100-200 years to fully develop electric vehicles, battery, etc
2) get us off the foreign fuel sources
3) clean burning (somewhat greener)
4) create jobs
5) improve technology for long term


What I want to know how come we don't have anyone running who talks like this?

You guys see this? Amazing technology 300KM for about $1.12. Coming in August.


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The Cummins/Mercruiser TDi (260hp) is looking really nice.
The numbers I got gave me better performance than current (Merc 350 Mag MPI)

My question is, Did Obama actually say he wants the price of gas here to reflect the same price as in Europe?

I thought I remembered that he did but not 100% sure......

I do not know that Obam ahas said that on camera. However, his energy secretary, Mr Chu, said this...

"Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

Steven Chu's Europe gas quote haunts President Obama - Bob King - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73138.html)

This is our Secretary Of Energy who said this. I cannot imagine who benefits from skyrocketing gas prices, other than folks who own green technology companies. Raising gas prices hurt a lot more folks than they help.

This issue will clobber Obama this summer when we're paying $5 a gallon.

All I know is when I first got my boat it was at that 1.75/gal
so, average day of off shore I burn 35 Gal and it cost me $65 plus injection oil (that cost is up too)

Now 35 Gal at 3.65 is $127 bucks for the day.

Consider I always have min of 1 other guy on the boat,,
That's still cheaper than a charter boat.

I know, I have to pay for the boat, tow insurance, boat insurance, maint. bla bla bla. Heard it all from the wife. Who Cares when your having so much fun!

All this means to me is you have to stay on the water longer to get your moneys worth :)

If you don't like the cost don't buy the gas, that will show them. LOL

Ron is right gas is the cheapest part of boating when u add up all the other stuff involved but sure felt better when gas was 89 cents a gallon :)

I try not to worry about it becasue it is out of my control. If it's $100-$125 a day on the water I guess it's the same as playing at a nice golf course for a round, taking the luckly lady out to a nice dinner and drinks, etc, etc.

I do not know that Obam ahas said that on camera. However, his energy secretary, Mr Chu, said this...

"Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

Steven Chu's Europe gas quote haunts President Obama - Bob King - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73138.html)

This is our Secretary Of Energy who said this. I cannot imagine who benefits from skyrocketing gas prices, other than folks who own green technology companies. Raising gas prices hurt a lot more folks than they help.

This issue will clobber Obama this summer when we're paying $5 a gallon.

The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role.

And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off.

Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl.


And after the fact, Obama was against raising the gas tax.

Shoo back to your forum.


Who Cares when your having so much fun!

DING DING DING!
:)

Ron is right gas is the cheapest part of boating when u add up all the other stuff involved but sure felt better when gas was 89 cents a gallon :)



I got about 6 grand just to get my boat out of my yard.
That doesn't include my 1st fill up.
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I got about 6 grand just to get my boat out of my yard.
That doesn't include my 1st fill up.
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Who do you have haul the boat?

Who do you have haul the boat?



Continental marine has been hauling me since 08.
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Didja get a quote from Brownell? (I assume you did, but just in case)

This world is run by THE RICH. The President of The United States is a mere pawn in the grand scheme of things. They have no power when it comes to money....ie...oil, banking, Federal Reserve etc.....

The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role.

And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off.

Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl.


And after the fact, Obama was against raising the gas tax.

Shoo back to your forum.




DING DING DING!
:)

"The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role."

Right. And saying something that stupid would normally preclude him from being in that role. But heck, we have a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, and we have an Attorney General who wants to try enemy combatants in US civilian courts, as well as giving machine guns to Mexican drug-runners so they can kill Americans more efficiently. So why not put one more certifiable lunatic in Obama's Cabinet?

"And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off."

Put it in any context you want. European-level gas prices are bad for most Americans, not good.

"and discouraging sprawl"

Oh, that's awesome!!!! Our energy secretary wants to make it too expensive for us to live in the suburbs. Has it occurred to him that we who live in the suburbs, like it there? That we're there for a reason?

Our energy secretary hopes that gas/oil becomes so expensive, that we'll all have to sell our houses and cars, move to big cities, and buy buss passes. And Likwid thinks that's a good thing.

Well this Marine says f*ck that and the commie liberal horse they (and you) rode in on.

Jesus God Almighty. Our Energy Secretary wants to herd us all back to the big cities. And Likwid is OK with that...

"The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role."

Right. And saying something that stupid would normally preclude him from being in that role. But heck, we have a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, and we have an Attorney General who wants to try enemy combatants in US civilian courts, as well as giving machine guns to Mexican drug-runners so they can kill Americans more efficiently. So why not put one more certifiable lunatic in Obama's Cabinet?

"And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off."

Put it in any context you want. European-level gas prices are bad for most Americans, not good.

"and discouraging sprawl"

Oh, that's awesome!!!! Our energy secretary wants to make it too expensive for us to live in the suburbs. Has it occurred to him that we who live in the suburbs, like it there? That we're there for a reason?

Our energy secretary hopes that gas/oil becomes so expensive, that we'll all have to sell our houses and cars, move to big cities, and buy buss passes. And Likwid thinks that's a good thing.

Well this Marine says f*ck that and the commie liberal horse they (and you) rode in on.

Jesus God Almighty. Our Energy Secretary wants to herd us all back to the big cities. And Likwid is OK with that...

I think that anything that makes you go off on wacko tirades is a good thing. :rotf2:

I think that anything that makes you go off on wacko tirades is a good thing. :rotf2:

According to you, Obama's Energy Secretary wants to make it impractical for folks to move away from big cities into suburbs. I said that's totalitarian and un-American.

And you say I went off on a wacko tirade?

Whatever you say...

According to you, Obama's Energy Secretary wants to make it impractical for folks to move away from big cities into suburbs. I said that's totalitarian and un-American.

And you say I went off on a wacko tirade?

Whatever you say...

According to me?

All I did was posted what his thoughts were on how to get people to buy more efficient automobiles, you took it however you so choose, which was in the sense of a wacko tirade calling people names and saying they're 'un-American'.

Which is rather un-American of you.

According to me?

All I did was posted what his thoughts were on how to get people to buy more efficient automobiles, you took it however you so choose, which was in the sense of a wacko tirade calling people names and saying they're 'un-American'.

Which is rather un-American of you.

Now you're saying that you never suggested that the goal of higher gas prices was to reverse suburban sprawl? You never said that? Then someone is logging into your account and signing on as you, at 2:04 PM today...

"Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.

Now you're saying that you never suggested that the goal of higher gas prices was to reverse suburban sprawl? You never said that? Then someone is logging into your account and signing on as you, at 2:04 PM today...

"Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.


but it doesn't say "Likwid told the newspaper..." it says "Chu told the newspaper..." right???

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.

I didn't say thats what he "wants".

Stop spinning, you must be dizzy by now.

I make a motion to Move this to political forum
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Didja get a quote from Brownell? (I assume you did, but just in case)



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Not sure your point.
In case you thought I meant 6k is the cost of my haul, the haul is about $400
The topic is the cost of fuel and I and a few others pointed out thats usually the cheapest part of boat ownership when you add things up.

I didn't say thats what he "wants".

Stop spinning, you must be dizzy by now.

Likwid, here is what you posted...

"he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

He (Chu) favors high gasoline prices to (among other things) discourage sprawl.

Your post above, states explicitly and unequivocally, that Secretary Chu wants to discourage sprawl by raising gasoline taxes.

Have you been painting inside with the windows shut? Please remember to open them a crack...

If I'm the GOP nominee, that's all the ammo I need. "Everyone who wants to be stuck in big cities with a bus pass, vote for Obama. Anyone who wants the freedom to raise their kids in a nice suburb and own a car, vote for me..."

I, for one, believe Americans should be able to choose for themselves if they want to live in a city or the suburbs. I don't like gas prices restricting choices. That's less freedom.

but it doesn't say "Likwid told the newspaper..." it says "Chu told the newspaper..." right???

Correct.

But Likwid is now saying that he never posted anything that suggested that Chu wants to discourage sprawl (which is what I inferred from his post where Likwid said Chu wants to discourage sprawl). Likwid is calling my interpretation "spin".

I'm not saying Likwid wants to discourage suburban sprawl. I'm saying that according to what Likwid posted, Secretary Chu wants to discourage sprawl.

Now he's telling me that's just my "spin".

Correct.

But Likwid is now saying that he never posted anything that suggested that Chu wants to discourage sprawl (which is what I inferred from his post where Likwid said Chu wants to discourage sprawl). Likwid is calling my interpretation "spin".

I'm not saying Likwid wants to discourage suburban sprawl. I'm saying that according to what Likwid posted, Secretary Chu wants to discourage sprawl.

Now he's telling me that's just my "spin".

Please tell me where in this quote it says he "wants"
Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes

What do you take for the motion sickness?