anybody see the commercials for this new show on nat geo? looks based out of glouster . starts april 1st i belive. which means they must of been filming last summer. Anyone know anybody on the show? looks interesting. Altho i admit i know very little about tuna, i see them occationaly on the way out to cod fish. i alway debate getting a permit...
any thoughts?

get a permit. never know when that cod jig will get snatched up by one. i'm looking forward to the show.

If you're cod jig gets snatched up by a tuna, odds are great that you'll never see the fish. :) If you want to fish for them, you'll need a lot more than cod gear.

If you're cod jig gets snatched up by a tuna, odds are great that you'll never see the fish. :) If you want to fish for them, you'll need a lot more than cod gear.

I disagree MM....when it comes to sbf tuna in the 47-59" range it can be easily done with decent cod gear. We had it happen twice one cod day, went 1 for 2 and that was because we strighten out a hook getting overzealous near the boat.

The press release:

Reality TV comes to Gloucester for ‘Wicked Tuna’ - The Boston Globe (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/03/22/reality_tv_comes_to_gloucester_for_wicked_tuna/)

I saw that show tuna wranglers last night....no wonder theres no tuna. They were catching them 200-300 at a time in australia and small ones. atleast they cant do that here in the us.

If you're cod jig gets snatched up by a tuna, odds are great that you'll never see the fish. :) If you want to fish for them, you'll need a lot more than cod gear.

i figure i have a 10% chance of bring in a sbf tuna.....if i have a man on the boat controls and a good man on the reel.....maybe lol. i saw tuna 4 times last year and wasnt really looking for them and i often see guys trolling around for them where we are cod fishing. just a thought.

I have mixed feeling about this.

This is such a highly contested/argued fishery, I feel like we're going to give enviros ammo. That and every person with a cod jig will now be parked on the whiting grounds hoping to make millions. Any tv show based on something you participate in, of course will intrigue you.

I buy scallops from a cape cod bay day scalloper. He said you wouldn't believe how many dead 60" fish he gets in his scallop tows from people fighting fish on spinning gear.

I buy scallops from a cape cod bay day scalloper. He said you wouldn't believe how many dead 60" fish he gets in his scallop tows from people fighting fish on spinning gear.

This is what makes me cringe everytime I see a 'released 10 BFT and broke off 4 more' every day from the fleet in NC right now and then again in the summer up here....

He said you wouldn't believe how many dead 60" fish he gets in his scallop tows from people fighting fish on spinning gear.

How does he know they were dead BEFORE getting into his tow?

How does he know they were dead BEFORE getting into his tow?

probably because the odds of a live BFT getting into a scallop dredge is slim to none... they have to be directly laying on the bottom...

probably because the odds of a live BFT getting into a scallop dredge is slim to none... they have to be directly laying on the bottom...

And to add to that, the opening on the dredge is facing DOWN.

He said you wouldn't believe how many dead 60" fish he gets in his scallop tows from people fighting fish on spinning gear.

Sorry Andrew.... I don't believe it

I have mixed feeling about this.

This is such a highly contested/argued fishery, I feel like we're going to give enviros ammo. That and every person with a cod jig will now be parked on the whiting grounds hoping to make millions. Any tv show based on something you participate in, of course will intrigue you.

I buy scallops from a cape cod bay day scalloper. He said you wouldn't believe how many dead 60" fish he gets in his scallop tows from people fighting fish on spinning gear.

:smash::rollem::rollem:

Which day scalloped? And feel free to pm me.
We've got a few in sandwich, and know them all - and NONE have dredged up a dead rat.
While I wonder about the survival rate as well, I'm very tempted to call BullSh@t.
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Sorry Andrew.... I don't believe it

Don't kill the messenger.

Guy runs to George's too in his scallop boat for tuna fishing and is one of the whiting boats we all love. Had a great chat with him about the whiting fishery. You don't have to tow over someone's anchor.

He's a tuna guy. He understands the tuna fishery, he just happens to day scallop and drag for herring.

Its one "reality" show I might actually watch..

Weymouth fisherman is on new TV series ?Wicked Tuna? - Quincy, MA - The Patriot Ledger (http://www.patriotledger.com/blogs/only-entertainment/x738246591/Weymouth-fisherman-is-on-new-TV-series-Wicked-Tuna)

Buckman should be on this show !!!!!

first episode

Video -- The Bite Is On -- National Geographic (http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/national-geographic-channel/shows/wicked-tuna-1/ngc-the-bite-is-on/)

OK. Was fun to watch here in March. But did they need to get whiny, backstabbing, liars in front of the cameras? Can't stand that crap in season nevermind see it on TV. No reason to give wrong numbers to someone on the radio and send them on a goosechase. I don't say much on a radio, but won't screw someone either. Just tell them I would rather not say. Closer to shore, I use a cell to communicate with "trusted" boats. Tunalessgreg is my most trusted locally , yet the Montauk in him has sent me to a desert once.... but not again as we have since "discussed" that incident. There is respect between us, to the point that I have never taken numbers of the many cod spots he has taken me to on his boat. Stuff that should be understood. The TV show makes it look like they're ALL idiots out on the banks, not just the ones we happen to know or hear on the radio. Too much of that crap taken to the extreme. Glad I have a handful of boats that I can trust and trade good intel with. They should have RR on next year's show. He'd fit in well.:rotf2:

I will tune in but I doubt I hang around much...I hate the reality phase of TV these days, even if it is fishing related. It has caused me to just about halt TV watching except for on-demand movies and sports.

Typhoon is right. Don't send someone to never never land. That kind of crap really upsets me and gives a bad stereotypical rap to everyone who fishes in a boat. We are all not like that. Just keep you mouth shut on the radio if you don't want the fleet to come. for private conversations where you want to talk numbers....Cell phones work inshore, Sat phones offshore.

Thanks for the link Andrew,am drooling over here now. Need a bigger boat :) Can a 23 seacraft make it to georges hahaha.

I will tune in but I doubt I hang around much...I hate the reality phase of TV these days, even if it is fishing related. It has caused me to just about halt TV watching except for on-demand movies and sports.

Typhoon is right. Don't send someone to never never land. That kind of crap really upsets me and gives a bad stereotypical rap to everyone who fishes in a boat. We are all not like that. Just keep you mouth shut on the radio if you don't want the fleet to come. for private conversations where you want to talk numbers....Cell phones work inshore, Sat phones offshore.



Sorry but thats crap.
It's one thing to go fishing for fun & enjoyment but it's a whole different set of rules for guys who make their living doing it and don't have a day job to fall back on.
I have no problem with what Dave on Tuna.com does.

thanks for the link...now i dont need to tevo it...lol. just makes me want a bigger boat lol!
is there that many boats on georges even at night? or were they actually inshore? the nite tuna that tuna.com caught there was lights off in the distance seemed like alot of lights for that far off shore.....

A lot of boats go to georges and a lot of boats come home empty handed.
I'll take my skunking 2 hours from the slip instead of 12 thank you
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http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/WICKEDTUNA.png

Cant help but wonder if Grundens is a sponsor. Their bibs are all brand spankin new.

thanks for the link...now i dont need to tevo it...lol. just makes me want a bigger boat lol!
is there that many boats on georges even at night? or were they actually inshore? the nite tuna that tuna.com caught there was lights off in the distance seemed like alot of lights for that far off shore.....

Its dragger city out there.

Also about halfway to Monhegan from PTown is the same thing.

http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab110/amar1293/imagesizerfilenull-jjthefisherman72.jpg

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Looks like the west wall of Block Canyon on Labor Day weekend....

Thats alot of boats that far out... i was surprised to see that they only anchor and chum. You wound think that would also attrack alot of sharks that far off shore. When im cod fishing in GOM i usually see guys trolling live macks either down or on kite rigs on top.
also there was a clip where they were very close to shore , maybe 1-3 miles out but it looked like a floating yaht club with all the boats! lol

Thats alot of boats that far out... i was surprised to see that they only anchor and chum. You wound think that would also attrack alot of sharks that far off shore. When im cod fishing in GOM i usually see guys trolling live macks either down or on kite rigs on top.
also there was a clip where they were very close to shore , maybe 1-3 miles out but it looked like a floating yaht club with all the boats! lol

Like a floating city out there. Everyone is drifting out there on georges though, not sure why they said it was georges when it wasn't. I am sure they have plenty of film from georges though.

You run 80 miles and nothing then all of a sudden a flotilla shows up. Mostly drifting out there. Liked when they panned out on "georges" and land was in the background. Last time I was out there you couldn't see land.

Georges was recently relocated
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Georges was recently relocated
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Probably on the west side of Jeffreys Ledge ....:rotf2: Keep the cameramen and producers comfortable. Every shot was FAC conditions....

Probably on the west side of Jeffreys Ledge ....:rotf2: Keep the cameramen and producers comfortable. Every shot was FAC conditions....

hell i've never been able to see land on jefferies..... did seem like "Georges bank" had land in the background to me. If they were out of glouster Id put $$ on south west stellwagon or maybe even the halfway hump before jefferies... but what do i know.....lol

You can anchor on George's It is a terrible idea. We learned a $3k lesson about doing it. Was not my idea. "we do this all the time"

One of the scariest feelings in the world, getting waken up from sleeping thinking you're going to the bottom of the ocean

You can anchor on George's It is a terrible idea. We learned a $3k lesson about doing it. Was not my idea. "we do this all the time"

One of the scariest feelings in the world, getting waken up from sleeping thinking you're going to the bottom of the ocean



No lookout ?
That's the 1st thing they teach you in any boating or captains lic course and continue to drill into your head.
When is a lookout necessary ?
ALL THE TIME !
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You can anchor on George's It is a terrible idea. We learned a $3k lesson about doing it. Was not my idea. "we do this all the time"

One of the scariest feelings in the world, getting waken up from sleeping thinking you're going to the bottom of the ocean

I would image that to be a very bad feeling.

just saw 2 of the captains on the fox am news this am talking about the show....

No lookout ?
That's the 1st thing they teach you in any boating or captains lic course and continue to drill into your head.
When is a lookout necessary ?
ALL THE TIME !
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Warning systems on $10k radars don't do #^&#^&#^&#^&.

We weren't the only idiots that night. Heard of 2 other boats getting drilled.

Warning systems on $10k radars don't do #^&#^&#^&#^&.

We weren't the only idiots that night. Heard of 2 other boats getting drilled.

Are you saying yes you were drifting at night and everyone was sleeping ?
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Are you saying yes you were drifting at night and everyone was sleeping ?
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Idiots all around.

Idiots sleeping drifting.

Idiots sleeping anchored.

Idiots.

We sleep anchored on the bank. Never near the shipping lanes. The boats lit up like an oil rig with the radar and gps alarms on. I'll admit it's sketchy but with only two guys to fish for 3 days strait it's very hard to keep awake that midnight to 0400 shift. One of us is usually awake in the darkness but there are times when we're both asleep.
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We sleep anchored on the bank. Never near the shipping lanes. The boats lit up like an oil rig with the radar and gps alarms on. I'll admit it's sketchy but with only two guys to fish for 3 days strait it's very hard to keep awake that midnight to 0400 shift. One of us is usually awake in the darkness but there are times when we're both asleep.
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Remembering that the guy in the wheelhouse of the dragger is also asleep with the autopilot on will keep you up fine. :hihi:

Yes I know, hopefully the radar picks him up entering the alarm zone
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Yes I know, hopefully the radar picks him up entering the alarm zone
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that's what I thought too... especially with $75k in newly purchased electronics.

Reality, not so much.

It worked for us one night...we were hanging off a sea anchor in 6000+ and were all asleep, when the alarm went off ( I think it was set at a mile or 1/2 mile) and it got us up to greet a US Navy support ship of some kind came within 1/4 mile and put a spot light on us for a few seconds then turned and went away. It turns out that a submarine was doing some kind of exercise and they were checking the area. It was a little nerve wracking initially to see a boat in the middle of nowhere approaching on radar...We had turned on a load of lights after the alarm went off. We spoke to him on the radio for a minute afterward...then went back to sleep.

I watched this show last night on demand and of course I don't know anything about comm fishing (or any tuna fishing for that matter) but it just seemed VERY odd to me that everyone knows this Dave guy leads people astray, yet everyone still asks him for info. I mean, what the hell to do they expect him to say?

I was also shocked to see that dragger come that close to one of the Tuna boats and snag his anchor, it seems like it's obvious bullying going on there, which is pretty horrible IMO.

I watched this show last night on demand and of course I don't know anything about comm fishing (or any tuna fishing for that matter) but it just seemed VERY odd to me that everyone knows this Dave guy leads people astray, yet everyone still asks him for info. I mean, what the hell to do they expect him to say?

I was also shocked to see that dragger come that close to one of the Tuna boats and snag his anchor, it seems like it's obvious bullying going on there, which is pretty horrible IMO.

Ask Mike (Fishingfreak) about it. :)

Vejo você no tribunal idiota!


"I'll see you in court ahole" in portuguese :hee:

Another tuna show: SUPERFISH BLUEFIN TUNA will broadcast on the National Geographic Channel on April 12th, 2012 at 9 pm.

SUPERFISH BLUEFIN TUNA - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CGVDK7aTaZw)

After more research... seems this was more about making a TV show than getting it all correct. Besides the lights from shore, I was told to pay attention to when they are fighting a fish. Seems that there may have been a cinder block on the other end in at least one "scene".

lol Ross.....okay get the microphone next to the drag
let loose the block guys

This show goes against everything that's been drilled into my head about commercial fishing !
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The American Bluefin Tuna Association

National Geographic's "Wicked Tuna": Focuses intently on an issue that is new and important for Americans



Salem NH, April 2, 2012 - National Geographic's new 10-part series, "Wicked Tuna" premiered last night. It follows the format of the successful Discovery series,

"Deadliest Catch" with one big difference. "Wicked Tuna" brings to light a fishery that few Americans are aware of.



Most Americans have heard of the so-called "plight" of the bluefin tuna. The producers of "Wicked Tuna" suggest instead that the health of bluefin populations are a complex issue. For example, few Americans are aware that in certain parts of the world, in the Mediterranean Sea in particular, bluefin have been overfished by large, factory-style industrial vessels of 200-300 ft in length, but not here in the U.S. As early as the 1970's Congress created the 200-mile limit law (now called Magnuson-Stevens Act) and negotiated international treaties for highly migratory fish such as giant bluefin. Consequently, large industrial fishing of bluefin was eventually phased out in the U.S. What was left were the small, independently-owned boats seen in "Wicked Tuna".



"One critically important piece of news that comes out of "Wicked Tuna" that will come as a big surprise for most Americans is the fact that our commercial bluefin fishery here in the U.S., referred to locally as the General and Harpoon Fisheries, is an Artisanal fishery. This fleet of small boats are only allowed to use handgear methods for fishing: rod and reel or harpoon. They can only catch one fish at a time and are limited to catching a maximum of 3 fish per day," says Rich Ruais, Executive Director of the American Bluefin Tuna Association, an organization that exclusively represents U.S. tuna fishermen in the Atlantic.



Beginning in the 1970's, U.S. fishermen and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) wanted strong, self-imposed conservation methods to ensure that U.S. bluefin fishing led the world in sustainable fishing practices. NOAA long ago issued regulations, permanently making this commercial fishery an Artisanal fishery. U.S. tuna fishermen want their fishery to remain an Artisanal fishery in perpetuity. The fishermen wish to maintain this fishery as a small fleet of family-owned and operated vessels of approximately 30-42 ft in length. Artisanal fisheries are virtually incapable of causing the damage to a fishery that can easily be done by industrial fishing methods like those used in the Mediterranean Sea.



Ruais comments further, "Americans should be proud that they have an Artisanal fishery for bluefin because it sets an example for other industrialized countries who do not fish sustainably. If those countries want to protect their bluefin populations, they need to radically scale back those large, corporate-owned industrial fishing vessels from their fishery that are capable of catching 500 or more bluefin at a time. These big vessels are the ones that create all the problems for bluefin."



"Our small boats, under longstanding conservation regulations, cannot possibly do any damage to the Atlantic bluefin. As one of the captains in "Wicked Tuna" accurately stated, our bluefin fishery in the U.S. is the most highly regulated bluefin fishery in the world. Our fishermen are required to adhere to the lowest maximum number of fish that can be retained daily and the highest minimum retainable size of 73 inches. This is unprecedented and unmatched worldwide."



Last May, after spending a year, countless tax dollars and involving a great many marine scientists and fishery management experts, NOAA concluded a huge study proving that bluefin were not endangered or threatened. Earlier this year, Canadian scientists, based on their own separate comprehensive study, also agreed with the U.S. and went further to note that quotas in the west Atlantic could be safely raised. Nonetheless, quotas have been maintained at extra-precautionary lower levels.



A few environmental organizations would like Americans to think that US bluefin are "imperiled", but, given NOAA's and Canada's latest scientific studies, all those Americans who in the past were given false and incomplete information to sign petitions saying that they won't eat Atlantic bluefin can now go back to eating Atlantic bluefin tuna sustainably caught by U.S. fishermen.



Although "Wicked Tuna" tends to dramatize the interactions between the fishermen, the dialog is colorful, the fierce competition is typical of Gloucestermen, and the action footage is real. The act of catching bluefin tuna by handgear requires great fishing skill, a high level of seamanship ability and human strength.



The airing of "Wicked Tuna" is the first time ever that the American public will have a glimpse into the little-known world of these hardworking New England fishermen and it explains very well how they do what they do. Ruais concludes, "In 'Wicked Tuna', much is made of how much the fish is worth but, in reality, fishermen receive, on average, about $9.00 per lb. for their bluefin catch, which is less than what sea scallop or Alaskan king crab fishermen are often paid for their catch."





For further information, please contact:

Rich Ruais

Tel: (603) 898-8862

Email: rruais@aol.com

I only caught part of it, haven't watched it complete on dvr yet. I was surprised the one guy that asked tuna.com TWICE where he was fishing, where the fish were was actually offended he was lied to. I assume some guys work together , but when the bite is tough does he really expect accurate information? "Sure,come take money out of my pocket bud !"

Did anyone else notice the thresher shark tied to the stern of one of the boats? Why didn't they mention that?

Just curious.

i didnt notice the thesher.... but did notice the shore on georges bank...lol.

Tune in tonight 10 pm only on the Nat Geo channel. See episode 1 again with live commentary and questions during broadcast.

You are allowed to keep the thresher.

You are allowed to keep the thresher.

YOU meaning only if "you" have an old commercial shark permit which aren't available anymore.
Or you are in a tournament.
Otherwise you are not allowed to keep sharks if your giant/commercial fishing.
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i thought we could keep theshers and makos??? i could be wrong im not up to date on the sharks....

YOU meaning only if "you" have an old commercial shark permit which aren't available anymore.
Or you are in a tournament.
Otherwise you are not allowed to keep sharks if your giant/commercial fishing.
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I think your wrong. You can't sell it without the old permit but you can cut it up and eat it.

Freak is right... If you are fishing under bft general, can't keep any sharks... Only a rec hms permit can keep sharks. And a boat can't have both permits, afaik. Only possible "loophole" is a charter permit, which lets you switch between the two... But if you kept a shark you would then be defined as a rec vessel, and unable to giant fish for the day.
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3 of the boats on that show charter.

As charter/headboat your category for the day is determined by the first fish you kill. So you can only have sharks AND giants on board the same day if you have the old school commercial shark permits from way back.
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I stand corrected. I misunderstood Dave.

my god some of these off shore rules are confusing!

Sorry but thats crap.
It's one thing to go fishing for fun & enjoyment but it's a whole different set of rules for guys who make their living doing it and don't have a day job to fall back on.
I have no problem with what Dave on Tuna.com does.

Tuna.com does not make his living fishing for tuna..... he is a pilot for Jetblue

The only one that fishes for a living is Dave Marciarno the baldheaded guy and Noaa has put him out of business

The first episode was all taken from Stellwagon.... these guys do not anchor on Georege's Bank.... they drift fish 99% of the time..

nightfighter....no cinder block.... used a 5 gallon bucket at least once when helicopter was there filming.... cost money to keep helicopter in the air while waiting for tuna to bite.

For those of U that have comcast xfinity U could have watched wicked tuna since a week ago Tuesday instead of waiting to Sunday nite by clicking on.."On Demand,".. top picks and click till U see wicked tuna... U can re-watch it anytime

The first episode was all taken from Stellwagon.... these guys do not anchor on Georege's Bank....

The show learned from Dave @tuna.com: I might have messed up my numbers a little...:rotf2:

Dave Marciarno seems like a cool captain and hard core new england tuna fisherman. Fun to watch pre season,time to get the gear ready :)

If you're cod jig gets snatched up by a tuna, odds are great that you'll never see the fish. :) If you want to fish for them, you'll need a lot more than cod gear.

been there done that...I'm 1 for 5 on snatched cod jigs....... and if I wasn't power drifting with men on board( and a small boat harpoon on board as well).. I'd be 0-for... I can't count how many times I've had mackerel meant for bass on a offshore ledge ( a mile off the beach) snatched by giants...it's never pretty...

Jason... it's hard to understand how fast a BFT can empty a 4/0 penn.. until you see it in person...even when the engine is running and you imediatly slam it in to gear.. alot has to go your way...... I chased/fought one on a jig with a 4/0 penn for 4 hours.. alone... with severe cramps, and soiled britches before the reel ceased to funtion.... I didnt know weather to laugh or cry when the line parted...most times it's over before you realize what happened...

been there done that...I'm 1 for 5 on snatched cod jigs....... and if I wasn't power drifting with men on board( and a small boat harpoon on board as well).. I'd be 0-for... I can't count how many times I've had mackerel meant for bass on a offshore ledge ( a mile off the beach) snatched by giants...it's never pretty...

Jason... it's hard to understand how fast a BFT can empty a 4/0 penn.. until you see it in person...even when the engine is running and you imediatly slam it in to gear.. alot has to go your way...... I chased/fought one on a jig with a 4/0 penn for 4 hours.. alone... with severe cramps, and soiled britches before the reel ceased to funtion.... I didnt know weather to laugh or cry when the line parted...most times it's over before you realize what happened...

roc....ya know i know chances are slim but what you described shure sounds fun! lol. I bet your 1st reaction was "i have the bass of a life time" i'm sure that thought only lasts a few seconds..... Like i said, i saw several tuna last year in our area...but ya i'm in the hunt for some used tuna gear. I'd like to have a few setups for those rare occations when i see them.

I love the one fellow who caught what looked like a close fish, while fighting it he even mentioned something about the size being legal....first he harpooned it. Then gaffed it and brought it in the boat. Then said, it looks legal, then measured it. Did not say anything after measuring it. Hmmmmm.
He was giddy happy because he broke even for the trip. Some how I doubt this is all he does for a living.

What would he have done if it was 72" and not 73? Let it go?

Is it legal to cut the head off?

A lot of BS going on out there. This show confirms it.

Hundreds of fish were turned away by fish buyers who can not get caught with a <73" fish. How come these fishermen are not reported for poaching?


Even my wife said...I can see lights from land! There is no way they are offshore.

His wife said "We wont harpoon a fish thats even close to not being a keeper", that fish was way too close to judge when it was still in the water, with a harpoon hanging from it.

You can cut their heads off, just need to keep pec fin and tail on and once the buyer cuts the tail off there is no more measuring.
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If you cut their heads off, how can an enforcement officer (or buyer) accurately measure to see if it is >73" since the measurement is from lower jaw ?


tysdad115: your damn right about that. There was NO way he could tell, in fact I bet it was sub 73. I've done this enough to know you can not tell a 71 from 74 in the water. The fish have such varied geometry that it is impossible (some are meatballs some are long and lean). You need them on the deck with a tape and you need two people.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/hms/Compliance_Guide/Rec/Rec_Compliance_Guide_Tuna.pdf
Bluefin tuna
No person shall retain, or possess a bluefin tuna with the head removed that is less than 20 inches (51 cm) pectoral fin curved length.
Bigeye and yellowfin tuna
No person may remove the head of a bigeye tuna or yellowfin tuna if the remaining portion would be less than 27 inches (69 cm) from the fork of the tail to the forward edge of the cut (see image below).
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Thank you freak. That is good info. I did not know about the curved peckfin legnth conversion factor.

IMO when you get your permit, they should email you an on-board packet with all this stuff inside along with the latest regs, id info etc... It is just too hard to dig it out of that site. But that is another problem for another day....


thanks!

If you cut their heads off, how can an enforcement officer (or buyer) accurately measure to see if it is >73" since the measurement is from lower jaw ?


tysdad115: your damn right about that. There was NO way he could tell, in fact I bet it was sub 73. I've done this enough to know you can not tell a 71 from 74 in the water. The fish have such varied geometry that it is impossible (some are meatballs some are long and lean). You need them on the deck with a tape and you need two people.

if you stomp on them you can stretch em:)

Its relatively easy to measure a fish in the water before you throw at it. You just need some very simple equipment.

Heads are just a waste of ice, and room in the cooler.
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Care to share what equipment?

I have been using a couple of those vinyl measuring tapes, like a tailor would use, with a clip on one end a a small float on the other for drag. Works ok, but would love to know if a better mouse trap existed.

seriously ....whats everyone doing on close fish for instance your a rec and you have a 70" +- fish on the line....you dont want to harpon it in case its over 73" same goes for a commercial guy seems tough to measure in the water..........

seriously ....whats everyone doing on close fish for instance your a rec and you have a 70" +- fish on the line....you dont want to harpon it in case its over 73" same goes for a commercial guy seems tough to measure in the water..........

Take a snap swivel and tie 73" of heavy mono, clip it to the main line, the swivel will slide to the tip of the fish and mono will flow down the lenght of the fish and let you know to stick it or not.

great idea thanks fishsmith

Take a snap swivel and tie 73" of heavy mono, clip it to the main line, the swivel will slide to the tip of the fish and mono will flow down the lenght of the fish and let you know to stick it or not.

great idea! thx....now i just need to dig out my walet and get some more tuna gear! lol

Take a snap swivel and tie 73" of heavy mono, clip it to the main line, the swivel will slide to the tip of the fish and mono will flow down the lenght of the fish and let you know to stick it or not.



You need something at the end of the mono with a slight amount of weight so the mono will stretch.

I have a rig hanging in my boat thats a small carabiner crimped to 200lb mono and at the end has a small poly ball crimped on.
Length from carabiner to end of poly ball is 73.
Typically the hook will be in the corner of the mouth so you got a few inches to spare to the tip of the nose.
Obviously this only works for a leader, not a spreader bar :rollem:
Lots of guys mark the side of their boat.

side of boat is a good idea too...!

side of boat is a good idea too...!

Good idea, controlling the fish can be a challenge.
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Wow, this show is pathetic! I was hoping to learn something. I'm learning they are a bunch of whiners! More fishing less whining! Makes our region look like a bunch of losers. Sad representation IMO.

so far i like the show....but they are a bunch of babies. lol

Good to see it in the 'second' episode, but just goes to show how scripted/edited the whole show is. Spun one way on Georges, next episode on the bank...

Last time I checked steaking it up at sea was still frowned upon...

Take a snap swivel and tie 73" of heavy mono, clip it to the main line, the swivel will slide to the tip of the fish and mono will flow down the lenght of the fish and let you know to stick it or not.

That's the ticket, but add about six inches of fluorescent yellow or orange tape to the bitter end to make it more visible.

The only one that fishes for a living is Dave Marciarno the baldheaded guy and Noaa has put him out of business

Care to explain?

Tuna.com put 50 fish in the boat last year. Daves M's a damn good fisherman..Dave C's a damn good tuna fisherman.

Tuna.com put 50 fish in the boat last year. Daves M's a damn good fisherman..Dave C's a damn good tuna fisherman.

while that may be true....the only reason he circulates
in port to the other boats is just to rub their noses in it...
and nothing else.....

while that may be true....the only reason he circulates
in port to the other boats is just to rub their noses in it...
and nothing else.....

My understanding is these guys didn't even talk to each other, let alone fish with each other before the show .....it's a show.

Any idea what these guys make in $$ for being part of the show?

Steve,
Dave on the .com I believe put over 80 on the boat last year. The dude is a stud ;like him or not. As for not speaking to each other I believe the term "casual" acquaintances is appropriate.

Jet BLue pays well also........

Hard Merchandise puts his share of fish on the floor in Tokyo also... Don't let him kid you. He isn't eating raman noodles every night.

Any idea what these guys make in $$ for being part of the show?

I heard 70K for the season.

Steve,
Jet BLue pays well also........

yup...

Capt Dave M's running a monk boat now I believe.

yup...

Capt Dave M's running a monk boat now I believe.

same boat as in the show only loaded up with gill nets.

while that may be true....the only reason he circulates
in port to the other boats is just to rub their noses in it...
and nothing else.....




So you know these guys personally like some of us ?

I heard 70K for the season.



Steve, not even close.

Steve, not even close.
I agree...

When Discovery was doing lobster wars, it was something like 5 or 10k... I can't imagine a smaller network is paying 70K

I agree...

When Discovery was doing lobster wars, it was something like 5 or 10k... I can't imagine a smaller network is paying 70K

The big established Fairhaven boat(s) saw 10k, the young guns running around, not so much.

The big established Fairhaven boat(s) saw 10k, the young guns running around, not so much.

This was a big, established boat, not from Fairhaven, who told them to go screw... :biglaugh:

This was a big, established boat, not from Fairhaven, who told them to go screw... :biglaugh:

Wasn't just one that did that...

Each boat is paid a small sum per episode aired. 10 weeks, not sure how many times it's re-aired weekly, 4 ?
Obviously they are hoping it takes off like American Chopper & Deadliest catch and the $ will come later.
They are some making $ off selling tshirts & merchandise also.

same boat as in the show only loaded up with gill nets.

Thought he was on the F/V Claudia Marie monk fishing. But I have been wrong every time I post!:rotf2:

Dave M. said he was running another boat for monks this season.

Care to explain?

Tuna.com is a nice guy... yes buckman is right dave caught about 50 tuna last year. .........they R all nice guys......most have other jobs....Marciarno fishes year round, commercially.... they all know each other.

We all know tuna fishing is boring sitting out there all day chumming....if they did not add to it ....who would watch it.

Like I said earlier in my post it's good guy bad guy scenario... thats what makes the show.

while that may be true....the only reason he circulates
in port to the other boats is just to rub their noses in it...
and nothing else.....

They all know each other.....Dave and Dave sometimes have a drink together. They R knowlegdeable people... without the movie they R very friendly to each other....both dave's if they know U will help U.

I went out on the Bounty Hunter last year with a friend who chartered the boat. He got one fish about 72". The fish was stuck before they knew if it was legal or not. I didn't understand why they would harpoon it if they were not sure that it was legal. Caught the fish on a mackeral dangling from a kite.

I would rather have gone out on a boat that was targeting sbft rather than waiting around all day for one fish. I spent 12 hours on that boat and it was too long. They obviously work hard for their fish.

Dotcom can catch fish, that is for sure..... Hard Merchandise at least made a break to find fish away from the weekend warriors..... But the rest of the show sucked..... Bunch of whining babies. Someone "jumped" MY numbers. Screaming at anchored boats to move when "they" arrive on scene. Has done nothing but convince me to have a firearm onboard when I go out in the future. Fatheaded A holes. Eff them and anyone who thinks they are right to tell an anchored boat to move. get there earlier........

Last nights show was a joke.
Non stop bitching about Googans, should be 100 times worse now that every guy with a boat and some gear knows their boat.
Another joke was the mate on Bounty Hunter crying !
The mate on Odyssey "Pirate", wonder if he's ever been to a dentist in his life.

I might change the name of my boat to "The Googan"

It seems like there will not be one positive thing that comes out of this show for the tuna fishery.

We anal-ize it with scrutiny because it's our own back yard.
The show is for television entertainment 95 % of the people watching are never going tuna fishing. Just like I'll never be on an Alaskan crab boat, or lobstering on georges.
I'm sure if any of the footage of the fishbucket comes out there will be some eyebrows raised as well :shock:
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Get off my numbers at the whiting grounds...ha.

They edited out the apology at the dock when ralph apologized to my friend for being a #^&#^&#^&#^&.

I will have to say, Bill on Bounty Hunter should try to get up a little earlier if he needs to catch tuna to pay the bills.... JK
The boys that were on Dave's numbers were not "Googans" either....

Seems the nature of these shows to always make it a boxing match. The lobster wars were pathetic,guess trying to make catching lobster interesting for a tv show you need confrontation.

We anal-ize it with scrutiny because it's our own back yard.
The show is for television entertainment 95 % of the people watching are never going tuna fishing. Just like I'll never be on an Alaskan crab boat, or lobstering on georges.
I'm sure if any of the footage of the fishbucket comes out there will be some eyebrows raised as well :shock:
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"raise some eyebrows"
RiffTrash ?
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ya i noticed the bounty hunter is always showing on the fishing grounds at noon or atleast last.....im a firm beliver early bird gets the worm......

I might change the name of my boat to "The Googan"

It seems like there will not be one positive thing that comes out of this show for the tuna fishery.

thats fantastic! I'll be Googan II :rotf2:

I think I will rename my boat "Googan.com" :rotf2:

anyone catch sundays episode? it wasd nice to see more fish and less b/s...also nice to see some small throw backs(show made it look like there was only giants around), it was a bit annoying that dave on tuna.com kept wineing about not getting the biggest tuna. The rest of the fleet knew it bothered him and kept grinding him lol.
also liked when hard merchandise hooked up while on a cod charter....

i'll have to watch it tonight...konked out too early sunday

Like the editing: one shot mirror surface, next shot 2-4 ft'ers! :smash:

Capts are saying season coming to end/last trip (imply Oct/Nov) and we are only going into episode #5?:confused:

ya i was wondering what time of the year it was when they were achored in close off glouster....def seems like the time line jumps around a bit??

Anyone else notice how the narrator says Gloucester? I have heard it pronounced a few ways, but not the way he says it.

Anyone else notice how the narrator says Gloucester? I have heard it pronounced a few ways, but not the way he says it.

Mike Rowe is the narrator. He does a ton of shows for discovery, nat geo, etc. He is usually pretty good, but the "Glowster" thing has me dumbfounded. I've sat there and replayed the intro a few times and I can't figure out where he gets his pronunciation from.

Yeah where the hell does he get "Glowster" it's not like he's never been there either, then filmed a Deadliest Catch after show thing there a few years back and he was physically there.

Either way, the yelling about Googans is kinda funny IMO. I don't know anything about tuna fishing, but I'm guessing its just like everything else in that there are some very well known spots that everybody frequents, to call them your own just cause you are trying to make money is kind of #^&#^&#^&#^&ish.

Yeah where the hell does he get "Glowster" it's not like he's never been there either, then filmed a Deadliest Catch after show thing there a few years back and he was physically there.

He called it "Glowster" then too. Googan. :hihi:

ya i was wondering what time of the year it was when they were achored in close off glouster....def seems like the time line jumps around a bit??
Fish were being taken in close as early as August. The abundance of macks brought them inshore.

they caught alot of tuna on last nights episode...good stuff! seems like its always the same 3 boats catching....the rest are just talking on the radio, lol

Anyone consider that Nat. Geo. has an agenda and that is to stop fishing for BFT. All the crap between the capt's doesn't make me like them, except Marciano who seems like a regular guy. When NG starts trying to get a ban people aren't going to care at all because those affected"the capt's" aren't someone they like. Tuna.com doesn't seem to know that I claimed all the numbers 60 yrs ago!

National Geo is thinking of a 20 week series next year. This is hear say.

Is Kit Vallee (aka "Pirate") from the Odyssey really Adam Sandler?

Could be.... He is going to be here in Marblehead shooting a movie, from May through August. Casting calls this weekend, for those who are interested.

Marblehead's Piper Field set for Hollywood takeover Local News SalemNews.com, Salem, MA (http://www.salemnews.com/local/x157478113/Marbleheads-Piper-Field-set-for-Hollywood-takeover)

ADAM would make a fine worlock

Is Kit Vallee (aka "Pirate") from the Odyssey really Adam Sandler?

hillarious! good thing priate works on the ocean...he is one ugly sob! lol( dont take it personally pirate!)
i think the odyssey is the only boat that hasnt caught a tuna yet if i recall correctly

Pure rumor

A close friend said he grew up with Paul stated to me that he was talking with Paul the other day and he "Paulie" said he hit a huge pay day from the show and next year he will have his own boat on the show..
Now my friend sometimes is full of BS and I will not say the $$ amount but it's huge

What a bunch of idiots. The entire show is an embarrassment to all fishermen. It confirms that most commercial fishermen act like a bunch of fools and are not very smart. If this is the class of people fishing out there...they should shut the industry completely down on that basis alone.

I can't watch it, it annoys the $hit out of me. I hope I never see any of them on the water.

What a bunch of idiots. The entire show is an embarrassment to all fishermen. It confirms that most commercial fishermen act like a bunch of fools and are not very smart. If this is the class of people fishing out there...they should shut the industry completely down on that basis alone.

I can't watch it, it annoys the $hit out of me. I hope I never see any of them on the water.

I agree for the most part, but remember they are being "coached" too. They want to become actors like the crab fishermen did. So if being obnoxious works, then pump it up. Its NOT reality TV. There is no such thing. LIke those stupid survivor shows. Gimme a break, they ain't suffering. Its all a show. The tuna show is the same. Its all a bunch of crap and made only for rating and $$$$$. Has nothing to do with fisheries crab or tuna.

But probably >95% of the people watching BELIEVE that sh*t on the show.

People are so gullible its ridiculous
and there in lies the problem....

i agree with you Sandman....

all the Back stabbing competition anchoring crap
swearing like no tomorrow...

there's absolutely NO Class

The show is pretty much a joke, but then again, saying that it 'confirms that most commercial fishermen... are not very smart' is shortsighted as well. You've got a reality TV show that's seeking ratings. One shouldn't judge an entire populace based on the actions of a few.

Case in point-

Jean Catching Striped Bass. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddBk4_kagE)

I don't look at this and say most recreational fisherman are idiots who keep short fish. I say those specific individuals are idiots :)

But seriously, they could have done a better job at this. Curious what the captains think about the show. I wonder how much of the "drama" was just created in the cutting room.

What a bunch of idiots. The entire show is an embarrassment to all fishermen. It confirms that most commercial fishermen act like a bunch of fools and are not very smart. If this is the class of people fishing out there...they should shut the industry completely down on that basis alone.

I can't watch it, it annoys the $hit out of me. I hope I never see any of them on the water.

Mr. Sandman....do not judge all fishermen because of a few. Apparently the business that U R in does not use the F word..... in todays world it is one of the most common used words...some fishermen R educated...some probably more then U R....Dave of tuna.com is educated....a very good commercial fishing friend of mine is a graduate of Harvard and there R others....I know of a few lobstermen that have graduated from BU and Boston college. I wonder what some people think of EMT's

Recently at Monte's steak house I had to have the waitdress calm down the table next to ours...four people in dress suits and ties were using the word quite freguently...My brother in law was almost thrown out of my house because he used the F word... very well educated at that.

This is 100% directed and edited by the producers. These guys are not idiots, they don't talk like this in real life. I'm across the dock from Ralph Pratt. Do you ever hear him on the radio sounding like an idiot?

Seas 20-25 feet?
The boat that won't start, yet you can see land in the background.

The reality is that they tried to make a reality show on staring at a balloon for 13 hrs a day. That's reality. It's miserable, it's boring. They haven't shown George's except for the first episode. I saw George's this summer where there was so many boats hooked up at one time, people were practically crashing into each other with fish on the line.

For that first 5 minutes that fish takes off, it's heroin. Trying to replicate that in a 1 hr show is useless, especially inshore tuna fishing, which is essentially lottery fishing.

They also never filmed the part where one of the captains on the show comes up to my buddy on the dock and apologizes for causing a scene. "it was for the show".

My $.03

In the last episocde they tried to pass off the Capt of the Tuna Hunter Gary as a "Charter from HI". Show is a complete fabrication with tuna fishing as the back drop.

Come June 1st I may be doging people fishing for tuna in Gloucester Harbor...there R some people that think someof them fish were caught in the harbor...normally some boats worry about the striper fleet...now will need to worry about getting by the tuna fleet... there will be plenty of tuna gear bought this year. :)

Come June 1st I may be doging people fishing for tuna in Gloucester Harbor...there R some people that think someof them fish were caught in the harbor...normally some boats worry about the striper fleet...now will need to worry about getting by the tuna fleet... there will be plenty of tuna gear bought this year. :)

... And more importantly, sold for cheap this winter :rotf2:

Come June 1st I may be doging people fishing for tuna in Gloucester Harbor...there R some people that think someof them fish were caught in the harbor...normally some boats worry about the striper fleet...now will need to worry about getting by the tuna fleet... there will be plenty of tuna gear bought this year. :)

funny...
i'll be one of them buying tuna gear! lol. i've been thinking about it for a few years and decided to take the plunge....wicked tuna just helps push me over the edge.
agreed tho alot of the show is a bit out there and i'm sure there will be alot more tuna gear for sale next year after all this lol

Saco Bay Tackle has sold 20 130 set ups this last week.

It's going to be a mess.

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1310480585093.jpg

Saco Bay Tackle has sold 20 130 set ups this last week.

It's going to be a mess.



ya more boats out there than you can imagine, thank god I slipped in RI this year.

funny...
i'll be one of them buying tuna gear! lol. i've been thinking about it for a few years and decided to take the plunge....wicked tuna just helps push me over the edge.
agreed tho alot of the show is a bit out there and i'm sure there will be alot more tuna gear for sale next year after all this lol

Make sure you keep your regular job.... the old saying is:"If you want to go broke go tuna fishing." :)

In the last episocde they tried to pass off the Capt of the Tuna Hunter Gary as a "Charter from HI". Show is a complete fabrication with tuna fishing as the back drop.

I fished on the Tuna Hunter last year with Gary. I was trying to figure out what the hell the client comment was about. Gary seemed to know more about what was going on than the crew on the boat did.
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Make sure you keep your regular job.... the old saying is:"If you want to go broke go tuna fishing." :)

haha...what you mean? i already quit my job and am gearing up to tuna fish all summer!

jkin.....i'm not delusional about it, i only have a a rec permit. just want to do a little tuna fishing when the cod and striper stuff slows down later in the summer. i'd be happy with 1 150lb'r on the troll....lol

Commercial bft fishing, the most expensive job in the world. :smash: