Gave a great spech tonight. Raised in Birmingham (the most segregated city in the nation), her Dad told her that she might not be able to buy a hamburger at Woolworth's, but that she could someday be president. What a man he must have been, and I bet he knew how amazinghis daughter was even at the age of 6.

Dr Rice is elegant, gracious, and amazingly accomplished (she was SecState, National Security Advisor, as well as a classic pianist and accomplished figure skater). She was a Soviet-specialist in the Reagan administration, during the absolute peak of the Cold War.

Dr Rice is a national treasure, and a role model for every single kid in the country. If she could elevate herself from segregated Birmingham to the heights she has reached, then the simple truth is that anyone can do anything. Her book, called I think "No Higher Honor", is a really inspiring read, regardless of your politics

How, I wonder, did she miss the memo that her party hates women and blacks? And if the rumors are true, she belongs to yet another demographic that the GOP is supposed to hate.

I love her. God Bless her, and her parents, who must have truly been one-in-a-million.

Selfishly speaking, I pray she runs for office someday.

Best line in her speech...

""The essence of America – that which really unites us — is not ethnicity, or nationality or religion – it is an idea — and what an idea it is: That you can come from humble circumstances and do great things. That it doesn’t matter where you came from but where you are going."

She nailed it. That is us. That's who we are, who I hope we will always be.

I cannot fathom that our current First Lady was never proud of that idea, until that idea culminated in her husband's nomination for his current position.

I cannot fathom.

really? it shouldn't be surprising that many are either not proud of our founding and/or history past or recent....there has for some time been a movement that seeks to move away from our founding and eroded current principles and it's far easier to move on "progress" and detach from them or turn them on their head if you have/acknowledge no relationship to them or can villify them as unfair or incomplete(note how many here refuse to answer/ignore Detbuch's Constitutionality questions)...which is what explains these remarks that surprise and anger you, some can look at America's past as a source of inspiration and a triumph of ideals that are unique to our founding while acknowledging that it's not always been perfect or you can look for America's past faults to justify your anger and desire to overturn what is established in exchange for something that some consider better, smarter, fairer etc......you can follow the bouncing ball that is the Obama's to see very clearly that they represent the latter...

excerpt from something I read this morning that nails it...

"......progressivism’s unreflective rejection of the principles of the American Founding.

The old progressives were an oddly mixed bag; the movement’s roots could be seen in both parties at the time. On the one hand, people such as Woodrow Wilson and John Dewey explicitly rejected the natural-rights philosophy of the American Founding in favor of an admixture of Hegelian and Darwinian “pragmatism,” according to which “progress” is essentially the growth of the state. Many progressives thought our Constitution was obsolete, though they were able to fix that problem by bringing it to life. These beliefs remain the philosophical core of modern liberalism, though very few liberals, now that Richard Rorty is dead, can puzzle out the deep presuppositions of it anymore. Instead, today’s progressives hold a lazy presumption that progress entails politicizing every problem without end. This is the aspect of progressivism that Ryan most directly challenges."


don't you ever wonder how it is that some can argue ad nauseum over details of this and that in impressive detail suggesting that those that disageee are either ignorant or misinformed.... but at the same time are either unable or unwilling to answer even simple Constitutional questions?....my guess is that for them and many, these are irrelevant questions

Jim, I cannot agree more! What more can you say...class, grace, intelligence, articulate, leadership, strength, poise...on and on. This was my favorite excerpt...

"You might not be able to control your circumstances but you could control your response to your circumstances. And your greatest ally in doing so was a quality education.

Let me ask you, though, today, when I can look at your zip code and can tell whether you are going to get a good education – can I really say that it doesn’t matter where you came from – it matters where you are going. The crisis in K-12 education is a grave threat to who we are.

My mom was a teacher – I have the greatest respect for the profession – we need great teachers – not poor or mediocre ones. We need to have high standards for our students – self-esteem comes from achievement not from lax standards and false praise. And we need to give parents greater choice – particularly poor parents whose kids – most often minorities are trapped in failing neighborhood schools. This is the civil rights struggle of our day.

If we do anything less, we will condemn generations to joblessness, hopelessness and dependence on the government dole. To do anything less is to endanger our global economic competitiveness. To do anything less is to tear apart the fabric of who we are and cement a turn toward grievance and entitlement"

Jim, I cannot agree more! What more can you say...class, grace, intelligence, articulate, leadership, strength, poise..."

She has so much depth to her life story. She doesn't throw bombs, she doesn't blame whitey for anything (althjough yuo couldn't blame her if she did, growing up in segregated Birmingham).

She's just awesome...

Let me ask you, though, today, when I can look at your zip code and can tell whether you are going to get a good education – can I really say that it doesn’t matter where you came from – it matters where you are going. The crisis in K-12 education is a grave threat to who we are.

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was it different 30,40, 50 years ago? In the small town I grew up in, my parents told me how the italians, polacks and germans were always fighting, kids were dirt poor and their parents worked their butts off. Schools had no technology. Believe it not, they survived. What made teachers better then? Schools were BETTER then?

Serioulsy, how were SCHOOLs or teachers better then?

was it different 30,40, 50 years ago? In the small town I grew up in, my parents told me how the italians, polacks and germans were always fighting, kids were dirt poor and their parents worked their butts off. Schools had no technology. Believe it not, they survived. What made teachers better then? Schools were BETTER then?

Serioulsy, how were SCHOOLs or teachers better then?

Kids respected/feared teachers...and our parents backed them up! if you messed up in school the teacher took you in the coat room and "fixed" the problem...then, when you got home, the 'ol man fixed the problem again. Chances are you never messed up again. Today the 'ol man calls the lawyer...and the kid packs a steak knife in his back pack.

Thats not a problem with the Schools or the Teachers......Thats a problem with the Parents and the Kids

I think most people would consider Rice to be a class act...it's probably why she was sidelined by the Bush Admin :hihi:

He speech was good, but felt totally out of place given the tone of the GOP.

-spence

Kids respected/feared teachers...and our parents backed them up! if you messed up in school the teacher took you in the coat room and "fixed" the problem...then, when you got home, the 'ol man fixed the problem again. Chances are you never messed up again. Today the 'ol man calls the lawyer...and the kid packs a steak knife in his back pack.

agree and all the tax dollars and teachers are not going to change that

The more teachers you talk to, the more you know Kevin hit the nail directly on the head. The problem we now face is there are too few parents that will get it done for their children. This looming crisis is not class warfare, it is not economic warfare, it will be education warfare. Both class and economics will be the direct result of level of education. It is not jobs, it is not the economy, it is education of the masses of children who's parents will not educate them that will determine where the US goes in the very near future. This will be the measure of success of both the president and the senate and the congress. None of whom seem to get it, let alone talk about it. Planning on individual success by pulling oneself up by their bootstraps is not going to cut it much longer folks. Time to send this message to all parties and both sides to get their act together on this before it is too late. My guess is too late is not all that far away.

Thats not a problem with the Schools or the Teachers......Thats a problem with the Parents and the Kids

Yes and yes.

In the inner city schools most parents don't do enough to encourage or even
take an interest in their children's education. My brother teaches in the inner
city and my son special education in a poor area. Both tell me how the kids are
out of control because they don't get discipline at home.
At" Back to School Night" they are lucky if 2 or 3 parents show up. There are so
many problems with the parents on drugs,alcohol and lack of marital stability that
they live for themselves rather than their kids.
My brother tells me that many of the kids don't want to go home on weekends
or vacations because of the turmoil in their homes and neighborhoods. They know
they are safe in school and will get a lunch.
Children cannot learn in that kind of enviornment.

On the other side of the coin in the suburban schools the parents get involved too
much, afraid their kids won't be able to become Einstein's to compete in this world.
Teachers spend as much time with the parents that complain and stick up for
little Johnny as they do spending time in their class rooms.
Little Johnny is always right and it's the teacher that's wrong.
These kids are under so much pressure to become honor students and get into the top colleges they don't have time to be kids.

Schools and education are there for good learning, as the've always been, it's the attitude of the parents and students that has changed.

BTW Jim- I'm always amazed at how many of Debuch's probing questions suddenly get ignored or go unanswered too. :)

The more teachers you talk to, the more you know Kevin hit the nail directly on the head. The problem we now face is there are too few parents that will get it done for their children. This looming crisis is not class warfare, it is not economic warfare, it will be education warfare. Both class and economics will be the direct result of level of education. It is not jobs, it is not the economy, it is education of the masses of children who's parents will not educate them that will determine where the US goes in the very near future. This will be the measure of success of both the president and the senate and the congress. None of whom seem to get it, let alone talk about it. Planning on individual success by pulling oneself up by their bootstraps is not going to cut it much longer folks. Time to send this message to all parties and both sides to get their act together on this before it is too late. My guess is too late is not all that far away.

You are correct on the education warfare. Spot. On. These kids in tough neighborhoods hardly have a chance. Those that can work their way out through sheer determination are far too small of a percentage to matter in the long run.

The rest have miserable job prospects and return, on average, to continue the cycle. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. Except that each cycle seems to extend the cycle more.

Unfortunately, both parties cannot get their act together on this and cannot shout from the rooftops for people to get their sheeit together. They will be labeled as out of touch, racist, or cruel.

Wonder if there is a study that tracks kids read to by parents from infant on up. Bet the parent read kids do far better on the whole than the ones that don't. A simple story every night - who knew?

There are a lot of good kids out there, but some of them don't have a chance.

There are a lot of good kids out there, but some of them don't have a chance.


And that is the shame of it. Unless parents are willing to sacrifice and put
their children first they shouldn't bring them into the world.
By first I don't mean providing them with extreme material things, but provding a well rounded disciplined life.

Wonder if there is a study that tracks kids read to by parents from infant on up. Bet the parent read kids do far better on the whole than the ones that don't. A simple story every night - who knew?
Remember RIF? Hell, we had that beaten into our heads.

It's a rare night I can get away with just one story for my youngest, more like 4-6. Then again, perhaps that's why he can carry on a pretty good conversation at 2 years of age.

-spence

It's a rare night I can get away with just one story for my youngest, more like 4-6. Then again, perhaps that's why he can carry on a pretty good conversation at 2 years of age.

-spence



:btu: Good job on your part, Spence, a great example of Personal Responsibility-
the Cornerstone of Conservatism. :grins:

:btu: Good job on your part, Spence, a great example of Personal Responsibility-
the Cornerstone of Conservatism. :grins:

Yea, but I still don't have his 529 set up :devil2:

The other thing is talking to them...a lot...and not baby talk.

-spence

Serioulsy, how were SCHOOLs or teachers better then?


They weren't. I believe the parents were better then. Parents first, friend second to thier kids.

Yea, but I still don't have his 529 set up :devil2:



-spence



Geez, with the 529 started after Clinton moved to the
center, improved under Bush , you keepin the market over 13,000,
and the economy booming you, may have waited too long. ;)

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Dreaming Up a New America: Progressive Education and the Perversion of American Democracy
By L.E. Ikenga

As opposed to the 2008 election, which had many frustrated and emotionally charged voters dreaming up a new America with a historic presidential candidate leading the charge, the 2010 midterms had people doing the exact opposite. In 2010, a majority of Americans stopped dreaming and started to face reality. America was accelerating toward an irreversible and all-encompassing decline. The path envisioned by the president and his supporters for a radically changed United States was starting to look like a dead end. America was breaking down.

The year 2010 was also when essayist Walter Russell Mead began to ascribe many aspects of this breakdown to the failures within what he called the Blue Social Model. His prognostications were based on what he saw as the disintegration of core American institutions and ideas, which developed and flourished under the post-Second World War industrial system. According to Mr. Mead, the model had reached its expiration date; and among other things, what has followed is a stagnant and deeply indebted economy, crumbling social institutions, and controlled yet massive citizen dissent. Our bona fides as an advanced industrial democracy were therefore being challenged both domestically and internationally. He might have been right.

If he was right, then Mr. Mead's argument should have immediately raised some major concerns. If for the past sixty years our core institutions and ideas have, as Mr. Mead had put it, "rested on the commanding heights of a few monopolistic and oligopolistic American firms and a government with runaway entitlement programs," then we should have been asking ourselves more essential questions about the nature of our history and society. One of those questions should have been: when did America stop being a serious democracy?

But if Mr. Mead's conclusion should not have warranted such a question, and though by increasingly unqualified means we can still call ourselves a serious democracy, then we obviously have another more fundamental problem on our hands.

Bootleg Blackberries, Fake iPads, and a Fabricated Democracy

The Blue Social Model theory was articulate and intelligent, but it did not identify the central problem facing American society. It did, however, do a good job of camouflaging it.

That problem has now become an epidemic, and it is this: a citizenry, both young and old, whose members have become increasingly ignorant and apathetic towards the basic pillars of history and civic culture upon which their democracy has been built. This is why Mr. Mead was able to draw attention to a false target, which marked the real crisis as the "accelerating collapse of blue government," and get away with it.

Essentially, the American masses -- now not unlike the masses in various parts of the democratic underdeveloped world -- have little to no understanding of how genuine democracies are supposed to work, and they don't care.

Instead, they identify their democracy not in terms of the revolutionary political ideas and events of Western civilization, but in terms of the following new norms: government-backed credit systems that motivate compulsive consumerism by encouraging people to live well beyond their means; unempirical race theories that promote thoughtless, face-value diversity and multicultural relativism within the body politic; and a mainstreamed, age-inclusive addiction towards insipid web 2.0 entertainments that some have said is pushing our society towards an era of digital serfdom.

In other words, democracy in America now means being able to purchase a million-dollar house when you cannot afford it and having the power to open a Facebook account when you are eight years old.

In that the roots of this kind of perverted democracy are not grounded in watershed documents such as the Twelve Tables of Roman Law or The English Bill of Rights of 1689, it should come as no surprise that today, a petty electronics trader hustling fake iPads and bootleg BlackBerries on a chaotic street steaming with fresh sewer in Port Harcourt, Nigeria should feel comfortable in equating his democracy with ours. Based on what the trader understands, his fifty-year-old, post-imperial democracy is supposed to be based on the promise of the Blue Social Model. But what he does not understand is that our two-hundred-plus-year-old anti-imperial democracy is not supposed to be.

And so, although it is our democracy that has produced an environment for all types of industry and real innovation to flourish, and although his democracy has produced the exact opposite -- one so corrupt and replete with ironies too incredible to believe (including the lack of internet for the fraudulent gadgets that he sells) -- both of our democracies are becoming the same.

Until Americans begin to set themselves apart, once again, as the gatekeepers for the democratic civic standards of Western civilization, our political outcomes will continue to be no more respectable than those of the third-world electronics trader. Just as he commands a market that is eager for his fake gadgets, our government now governs a citizenry that is eager for a fabricated democracy -- one that discourages genuine civic responsibility and comprehension.

Some people have balked and jeered when they have been shown images of the American president who bows to foreign dictators. They have said that the leader of the free world has no business bending over for autocrats who do not represent freedom and the rule of law. But it is not the president who is doing the bowing. We are doing the bowing. The American president is simply reflecting the will of a good portion of the people whom he governs.

Rousseau, Dewey, et al.: How the "Me, Myself, and I" Generation Became an Unintelligent Mob

It is America's decades-long experiment with progressive and postmodern progressive education that has produced almost two generations of low-information citizens who have become easier to dupe for the benefit of our increasingly intrusive and imperial government.

The progressive education model began to receive widespread attention during the first decades of the twentieth century. The ideas and scholarly works of American philosopher and education theorist John Dewey were used to develop teaching models, which began to captivate groups of exclusive and superbly credentialed left-leaning educators, who lauded the models and who sought to actualize Dewey's vision in their own schools. Dewey and his disciples decried the status-quo paradigms of the American school system -- especially those that they saw were intent on bringing up dutiful but uncritical citizens, or those that they felt motivated academic discrimination, particularly by means of standardized testing. Their progressive education models were therefore aimed at making American schools more reflective of genuine democracies.

For them, dreaming up a new America meant gleaning many ideas about education from prominent European social philosophers of the eighteenth century. One such philosopher, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, via and his tract on education, Emile, became invaluable for providing examples for the progressive education model.

Emile outlines the assumptions under which young boys, especially, should be educated. Rousseau's philosophy on education stressed the natural goodness of man and a condemnation of social conventions, most of which he believed were culpable for man's corruptive behavior. To rehabilitate mankind, Emile emphasizes the following for the various stages of a person's initial education:

The purpose of education is to develop a child's natural capacities. Natural education should be as far-removed from society as possible.
The aim of education should always be child-centered and individualized. Children learn by utilizing their senses; they are guided by natural curiosity.
A good teacher is unobtrusive; teachers are not there to enforce doctrine or rigid instruction.
Children must never be pushed to acquire information. If they are moved on their own to learn about something, they will.
Children will develop a sense of morality through their trials and errors. They do not acquire morals by being punished for bad behavior. Teachers are never to discipline children for perceived wrongdoing.
From such ideas, many American educators were able to promote and systematize a progressive agenda in education that placed a premium on child-centered (as opposed to knowledge-centered) instinctual "learning activities." As progressive teaching models came to have more influence, authoritative, well-informed teachers and traditional textbooks began to be viewed as antediluvian and unnecessary.

Once the progressive education models of the '60s and '70s turned into their present-day postmodern structures, administrators became especially devoted to using the following paradigms to motivate students to learn:

Defining a student's intellectual abilities through self-expression activities such as dance, unstructured writing, self-written poetry readings, and various forms of play.
A de-emphasizing of the core curriculum subjects of Western civilization in favor of subjects that underscore minority issues and excessive openness towards diversity.
Achieving academic equality through non-competitive groupthink projects.
Caricaturing and condemning traditional learning methods and devices such as rote memorization, drill, and recitation.
"Dumbing down" or avoiding subjects that can be mastered only through ongoing practice and hard work.
Grade inflation.
All of these ideas and practices have failed American students by the factory-load and are responsible for creating successive generations of "me, myself, and I" citizens who lack intellectual depth and who are prone, paradoxically, to unproductive mob behavior.

In a snarky but well-deserved memorandum to the many classes of 2012, Ben Stephens writes:

A few months ago, I interviewed a young man with an astonishingly high GPA from an Ivy-League university and aspirations to write about Middle East politics. We got on the subject of the Suez Canal Crisis of 1956. He was vaguely familiar with it. But he didn't know who was the president of the United States in 1956. And he didn't know who succeeded that president.

Pop quiz, Class of '12: Do you?

His summary:

In every generation there's a strong tendency for everyone to think like everyone else. But your generation has an especially bad case, because your mass conformism is masked by the appearance of mass nonconformism.

Disguised as a crotchety hit piece against a generation of know-nothings, Stephen's memo is actually a warning regarding our nation's clear and present danger. Here's one possible interpretation of it: at worst, progressive and postmodern education has produced ignorant masses composed of people incapable of acting as individuals. People who are incapable of acting as individuals have no need for constitutions that protect their individual rights. Thus the continued perversion and eventual death of a democracy.

Classical Education: Let the Revolution Begin

Meeting American middle school students who are required to write one-act plays on the shooting of Trayvon Martin, or who begin to count on their fingers when asked how many states are in our Union, is depressing. It is also eye-opening. The progressive education movement has imposed many misguided ideas on America. And in doing so, the movement's purveyors have willfully denied this unavoidable truth: children are born ignorant and require a great deal of academic guidance and instruction in order to acquire specific skill sets. It is the discipline that it takes to acquire such skill sets that will serve them as they grow to discover what truly distinguishes them as thoughtful individuals.

The state of our education crisis -- especially our urban education crisis -- has led many to embrace unrealistic ideas that are simply not working. For instance, Waiting for Superman to solve our nation's K-12 education problems is an option, but it is ultimately impractical and does not offer a permanent solution. Superheroes don't exist. As Walter Russell Mead's Blue Social Model theory had exposed, America's near-obsessive reliance on government to create and administer a wealthy and growing state was erroneous. Therefore, the idea of cheaper and better-managed state-supported education is preposterous because as Mr. Mead makes clear, "public schools are increasingly expensive to run, and yet they do not provide improved services to match those exploding costs."

The costs of public education are exploding because of progressive education gimmickry. Progressive education is gimmick-prone because its entire pedagogic framework is one that almost always shuns rigorous, systematic, and sequential learning that is based on a history-dependent approach. It favors, however, curricula that are non-cumulative, ahistorical, and theme-based, with subjects and languages often being studied in isolation from one another. And from such curricula, teachers create new and "innovative" ways to entertain their students. Entertainment industries tend to be expensive to run.

Most Department of Education bureaucrats are oblivious to the realities of how children learn. In New York City, for instance, Department of Education teachers employed at failing public schools continue to require students in primary grades to learn about (for state-wide exams) algebraic equations when they have yet to master basic arithmetic. It is also why many of those same students, when they get to high school, will be taught to cram into their heads, within a three- to four-month period, a bunch of meaningless events and facts for a state Regents exam on U.S. history and government, only to go back to their previous dimwitted understanding of how our government is supposed to work once the exam is over. Consequently, it is not shocking to meet seventh-graders who still struggle with addition and subtraction, or high school seniors who believe that the American Revolution was fought between France and Germany. If this does not expose the writing on the wall for the future of our democracy, then what else will? American education does not need reform. It needs a revolution.

Going back to the lost standards of a classical education is the only way forward for American students, and this needs to happen now. People are already expressing a hunger for something very different. The hunger is being expressed in the form of the relentless criticism towards what many schools are offering. But we need a credible alternative.

I am a classical educator in urban America. Most of my students, when first introduced to the stems and endings system of Latin grammar, become anxious and afraid. They are not used to the intellectual discipline that the study of Latin grammar demands. They have not been taught about the Roman republic or its relevance to our political system, and because of the rampant hyper-liberal proselytizing that goes on in many of their schools, they would probably believe that the Trojan War began under the administration of George W. Bush. This is because among other things, their parents, especially, once felt deeply obliged to school systems that were short-changing their children. Their children were not acquiring concrete and relevant information, nor were these children being instructed based on a credible system that allowed them to organize, analyze, and interpret such information properly. But a classical education, if made available to a greater number of students, can change all of this.

Rather than putting forth an extensive amount of information about why a classical education works, which it does, or what a classical education is, which many who are much more qualified than myself have already done, I would like to share my summary of what a classical education, at the very least, has done for my students:

Motivated intellectual curiosity in core subjects and languages.
Given them an excellent understanding of the origins of Western civilization and its intellectual traditions.
Through the study of classical languages (Latin in particular), they have acquired an in-depth knowledge of English grammar, a more extensive vocabulary, and basic logic skills.
Has enabled them to tackle more challenging subjects.
Given them (and their parents) the ability to recognize and to stay clear of gimmicks and trends in education.
Now have a concrete pattern for learning, which they can use to master any subject or acquire any skill.
Has instilled humility.
The need for a genuine revolution is obvious. But what is not obvious is how to arm more of our citizens in the making with the knowledge and wisdom that they will one day use to protect themselves from various forms of undemocratic government, one of which has begun to materialize right before our very eyes. Classical home-schools and traditional private classical schools are an excellent start, but they are not enough. We need to reach even more students with what these schools have to offer.

America is not only breaking down; it is breaking apart. Right now, we must find a clear and precise path back to our democratic roots. But this can happen only if our children are properly educated. So let the revolution begin.

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Dreaming Up a New America: Progressive Education and the Perversion of American Democracy
By L.E. Ikenga

Excellent article. Especially on the origins of our present day historical ignorance and misunderstanding of our founding principles. But our education industry would balk at reverting to classical education. The mantra is "investment in education," meaning the perpetuation of public K-12 and universities that employ students as the reason for that "investment," and the more that can be matriculated through the system into "higher learning," the more investment is required, and the wealthier and more influential the higher learning institutions become. To maintain the quid pro quo, the schools must teach "progressively" rather than classically. The rigors of classical pedagogy would trim the rosters of new students, many of whom would not be intellectually capable. So, the classical idea of primary education being learning how to learn is transformed into playtime and progressively relevant indoctrination, with some basic 3 R's for those who can handle it. But a thorough introduction to the history of Western civilization and American history would retard the progressive understanding of present class struggles and concepts of fairness.