Seriously.

The guy blows his big EU trip.

He has to muzzle Ryan shortly after he picks him to be VP.

The convention was a dud.

His campaign strategy is lead by someone the GOP thinks is a kook, hell they won't even barely let him on TV.

And now he's just insulted 1/2 the country in perhaps one of the most ignorant, clumsy and witless attacks I've ever seen. Hell, it's like the guy was playing MadLibs with Jim's talking points after blowing the top off of a few Reddi Whips.

We haven't even got to the point where the Dems start highlighting all his flip flops.

Seriously, if Obama is "that bad" Romney is demonstrating that he may just have the credentials to be worse.

-spence

Spence, it was a bad monent, to be sure. But can you tell me why Romney's statement is worse than what then-candidate Obama said about those of us who cling to our religion and guns because we are frustraded racists?

Here'sthe difference. Obama's comment had no truth to it. Romney's comment, while not self-serving as far as the election guys, is a lot more accurate than what Obama said.

Obama gets a pass, Romney gets villified.

Scott Rasmussen isn't worried about Romney, so I doubt you need to.

Spence, it was a bad monent, to be sure. But can you tell me why Romney's statement is worse than what then-candidate Obama said about those of us who cling to our religion and guns because we are frustraded racists?

Here's a good perspective of why you're exactly wrong.

Romney’s “47 percent” vs. Obama’s “cling to guns or religion”: Which gaffe is worse? - Slate Magazine (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/09/romney_s_47_percent_vs_obama_s_cling_to_guns_or_re ligion_which_gaffe_is_worse_.html)

-spence

"playing MadLibs with Jim's talking points "

And Spence, as I have posted here, there are issues that I feel liberals are on the right side of (gun control, gay marriage). Unless you can tell me there are important issues that you side with conservatives on, please don't try to make me out to be a fanatic. You're a pure ideologue. I'm not a mirror reflection of you, not even close. I don't follow either side blindly. My 'talking points' are an interpretation of real, actual facts, seen through a prism of love and common sense. All you regurgitate is "liberal good, conservative bad."

I'm not the who says things like "Michelle Obama never said she wasn't proud of her country until Barack got the nomination."

I am concerned with the whole political mess this is. Mostly pandering to extremists (aka swing voters) with TV adds for those with a 6 year old's mental capacity. I hate having to use my right to vote to try and pick the lesser of two evils. Too many people have sacrificed too much for it to come to this at election time. I wish I someone knew how to fix this. I really do. Maybe it all comes back to the education thread, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

As much as I hate to say it, this may be coming down to the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. (oops, unintended opening to the "religious right")

I'm concerned about someone that has been head cheerleader and princple defender for all things Obama here for the last 4 years, now actually suggesting that based his hyperbole and rehtoric(got that Bryan:)) Romney might be undermining his own chances to be President and thereby improving the chances for the object of his affection to continue on for 4 more years and that this somehow ....."concerns" him...

concerned?...shouldn't you be elated???:jump1:

Seriously:uhuh::screwy: if it's "that bad" it should be in the bag...start the party:happy:... if you are accurate(or actually believe) in your (very biased)observations "interpretations"(for bryan)

wait....this all sounds a little familiar...didn't you start essentially the same thread a few months ago?

Spence, you being a Lib and all, we know how concerned you are about the welfare and the deep compassion you have for Repubs and conservatives, but relax, take a deep breath and don't loose any sleep over it.
They will be ok. :grins:

this is a funny thread
Looks like Spence is buying in to the talking points

This is a 100% true statement and the root cause of most of the problems we have in this country

"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that they are the victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it, that that's an entitlement and they will vote for this president no matter what."

If you wake up every day and wonder what the governtment is doing for you, you will vote for Obama

If you wake up every day and wonder what the government is doing to you, you will vote for Romney

Looks like Spence is buying in to the talking points

Spence????? Neva. :doh: :tooth:

This is a 100% true statement and the root cause of most of the problems we have in this country

"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that they are the victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it, that that's an entitlement and they will vote for this president no matter what."

If you wake up every day and wonder what the governtment is doing for you, you will vote for Obama

If you wake up every day and wonder what the government is doing to you, you will vote for Romney


Kudos!

That's what I was telling my brother when he heard the news "blip" saying how Romney was attacking the poor.

Romney may have not phrased it as "PC" as the media usually dictates, but he was , in fact, 100% right on point!

Isn't it amazing that when a Democrap blatantlylies to our face, it's OK and they don't get called to the mat for it, but a Republican speaks the truth, without padding the numbers or inflating the facts, and he is attacked as a monster who wants to destroy us?

When I see all the ads on TV, the one direct link to all the Democrat ads is that they seem to be attack ads against the Repubicans and not telling what they can/will do for America.

That wouldn't be so bad if they were based solely on the WHOLE truth.
Unfortunately they won't spend the money to find out the facts, and are content to bombard the airwaves with pieces of speaches and a sentence from an article so far out of context that that 47% thinks they are the all that was said or written.

It's definitely coming down to voting for the "lesser of two evils", and the incumbent evil hasn't shown why he's worthy of another shot.

What will he TRY and do in another 4 years? He's already apologized to the world for being American so maybe he's subjegate himself to the world and give away our rights and freedonms?
Don't laugh, as it could very well be true!

Spence, you being a Lib and all, we know how concerned you are about the welfare and the deep compassion you have for Repubs and conservatives, but relax, take a deep breath and don't loose any sleep over it.
I'm no liberal, you should know that by now.

And I do care about the GOP as we need a healthy Republican party to function. I'm concerned the party has poisoned itself to the point where they'd rather take the whole system down than do anything constructive.

-spence

Spence, you are a liberal

If you wake up every day and wonder what the governtment is doing for you, you will vote for Obama
Agree.

If you wake up every day and wonder what the government is doing to you, you will vote for Romney
No, hopefully you'll be at your therapist.

And exactly why Romney was so wrong. At least you've clarified that for us.

-spence

Agree.


No, hopefully you'll be at your therapist.

-spence

really?
So you dont think the fiscal decisions made in the next 12 months will impact your life? You dont think the wacky liberal wave of banning soft drinks, cup cakes, father daughter dances is REAL? You dont think massive increases in govt dependance is REAL?
Not only are you a liberal, you're ignorant. Is that an oxymoron?

I'm concerned the party has poisoned itself to the point where they'd rather take the whole system down than do anything constructive.

-spence

might be the dumbest thing you've ever said :uhuh:

Spence has jumped the shark.

Spence, you are a liberal

progressives will rarely admit this....don't like to be pinned down to a particular idealogical classification fantasizing that they are the best of all worlds...they fancy themselves hovering above the ordinary classifications sniffing a purer air :)

I thought Romney only cared about rich people?

Mitt Romney Outed By The Milkman: Candidate Anonymously Donates Thousands Of Pints Of Milk To Sick Vets (http://www.inquisitr.com/330017/mitt-romney-outed-by-the-milkman-candidate-anonymously-donates-thousands-of-pints-of-milk-to-sick-vets/)

I'm no liberal, you should know that by now.

And I do care about the GOP as we need a healthy Republican party to function. I'm concerned the party has poisoned itself to the point where they'd rather take the whole system down than do anything constructive.

-spence

I think he's absolutely right. The mission of the GOP for the last 4 years was to deny POTUS another term. Nothing else.

And they moved so far towards the right they are hitting the bible belt circuit when they aren't in DC

I'm no liberal, you should know that by now.

Why not? What's wrong with being a true liberal, not the caricature liberal that is represented by what you and others have said the Republcan's have done to the word?

And I do care about the GOP as we need a healthy Republican party to function. I'm concerned the party has poisoned itself to the point where they'd rather take the whole system down than do anything constructive.

-spence

They don't want to take the "whole" system down--just that portion that has devoured the truly constitutional system that founded this nation. At least a fair percentage of Republicans do, and little, if any, Democrats do. Republicans would like to minimize or eliminate much of the "fourth branch of government," the regulatory agencies whose unelected bureaucrats promulgate the vast majority of federal laws and regulations that constrict us against the intent and purpose of the Constitution. They would like to return us to that original system of limited government by elected representatives, rather than maintaining the leviathan administrative state of masterminds who know better what we need than we do. They would like to eliminate those who rule with little to no restraint on a trajectory to being an all-powerful centralized government which gives us those rights it deems "good" and useful to a collective society, and would like to return us to a society of sovereign individuals who possess unalienable rights. They would like to take down the idea that for the "good" of all, diverse individual desires must be subservient to the well-functioning administrative power, which, in return, will give us rights to replace unalienable or constitutional rights, and allow us the properties it considers necessary.

That is the portion of "the whole system" Republicans would like to take down. And that would be extremely healthy and constructive.

If the above were substantiated as a fact I would see it as a meaningful endeavour. However, it seems as things have gotten twisted in trajectory

I think he's absolutely right. The mission of the GOP for the last 4 years was to deny POTUS another term. Nothing else.

And they moved so far towards the right they are hitting the bible belt circuit when they aren't in DC

that's a very tired Zimmy talking point that Woodward forced Scarborough to admit was inaccurate or incomplete :uhuh:

JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: And Bob, you talk about this. And you see it time and time again in your book where Republicans give ideas, and every idea is rejected outright. I want to focus, though, on a quote. And I’ve got to admit, just by reading press reports, I didn't know the other side of the Mitch McConnell quote. And I think I, at least, owe him an apology here on the air because we've repeated it a thousand times where Mitch McConnell says, my one priority, my top priority is preventing a second Obama term. But you actually pull out what nobody in the media pulls out, and that's the rest of Mitch McConnell’s statement. What is it?

BOB WOODWARD: And where McConnell says, I don't want Obama to fail, I want him to change. And I agree with you. I think that that's significant. Now, there is a brazenness to the first part of the quote, and as you know, Mitch McConnell is...

JOE SCARBOROUGH: He's tough.

BOB WOODWARD: He’s a hard ass on these subjects, to say the least.

JOE SCARBOROUGH: But McConnell went on to say -- and it's just never been reported -- McConnell went on to say, but if he changes, I want to work with him, and basically that's the attitude of if the guy will meet us halfway -- and I see John Heilemann rolling his eyes around the set, but time and time and time again, republicans offered suggestions, and time and time and time again, the first two years, the president rejected them outright.

If the above were substantiated as a fact I would see it as a meaningful endeavour. However, it seems as things have gotten twisted in trajectory

Do you see it as a meaningful enough of an endeavor to make? The endeavor has been substantiated in various attempts by Republicans to rein in the power of various regulatory agencies. Various Republicans have been critized for advocating the elimination of various regulatory agencies. Various Republicans have promised to work for that end. Many Republicans campaign on the promise to restore the Constititution. Is their endeavor meaningful enough to the voters? Are the voters even aware of the problem? Do the media consider the endeavor meaningul enough to report on it in depth, or just make occaisional derisive comments, if they comment at all? If you consider it a meaningful endeavor, do you discuss it with your friends and family, or on this forum? If the masses are ignorant, or don't care, and the media does not discuss the issue or ignores it, and if the Democrat party and enough in the Republican party disagree with the endeavor or think it's silly, how can the mission of the endeavor be finally realized and become not only an endeavor but an accomplishment? Are other endeavors, such as free contraceptives for women, and all the little and large benefits that the Federal Government gives us, and in turn makes it larger, more powerful, and more to be depended on--are other such endeavors more important to the voters?

If the voters are not aware, or don't care enough about the growth of government and their growing dependency on it, the endeavor may be substantiated as an attempt or a wish, but it can never bear the fruit of reality.

Where is the tipping point? Its clear that Romney is right on about a certain percentage of Americans having their hands out to take all they can and contribute nothing. Is it 47%? I don't know (I hope its not 47% yet!).

The big issue is where is the tipping point at which point the country comes tumbling down because there are too few putting into the pot and too many taking out. This election has no principles. Its one guy going after the votes of the "takers" and promising more and more to attract more and more taker votes. Its about another guy going after the "haves"saying there are too many takers and if we don't get more putting into the pot there will be nothing to take out for anybody.

So at what percent of takers does the country collapse? Surely if everyone stops giving and everyone is taking the game is over. Romney says its now 47% but whatever it actually is , right now we are teetering. Is it 55%? Is it 65%? When does the house of cards tumble because people are taking out more that the rest can put back in? There is a tipping point. Only the biggest of idiots would deny that at some point there will not be enough to satisfy everyone with their hands out to take from the country. At what percent is that tipping point?

We are all betting on where that tipping point is in the next election. Will we reach it in the next 4 years? Is the probability of reaching it higher if Obama or Romney is President?

I am appalled that everything is about getting elected or reelected. There is no more right , wrong , no more doing what's good or bad for the country. Its all about doing whatever is nescessary to win the next election. I am tired of going to the polls and voting against the lesser of two bad choices. I want to be able to vote "for" someone for a change.

Unfortunately those with their hands out are or soon will be in the majority. We are on the road to socialism. Wealth will be redistributed. Everybody will be equal because we will all have nothing unless the government gives it to us. Unless we change direction before we hit that tipping point , there will be no turning back until the system collapses.

This is a 100% true statement and the root cause of most of the problems we have in this country

"There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent on government, who believe that they are the victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, you name it, that that's an entitlement and they will vote for this president no matter what."



You didn't really mean that his statement is 100% true, did you. You couldn't have meant that. His statement confirms he is a bleeping fool. Hopefully, it will seal the deal in Ohio and Nevada and this thing is over.
Where to start? If he meant the 47% to be people who don't pay income tax, well then he is a moron because a large percentage of those are the elderly who vote republican, poor southern white men, veterans.
If he meant 47% of Americans, in general, will vote for Obama because they are victims, but not specifically reffering to the income tax group, that is also patently false. More educated people, professionals, and specifically educated women back Obama. So just eliminate those people and what is the percent that actually fall into his assinine categorization?

8% of Americans pay no income or payroll taxes. Most of that 8% are people who work, but make less than 20,000 a year working at places like McDonalds and DD. There are students and vets in that group, as well.There are freeloading bums out there, but they are a small percent. It is getting fun watching this guy flush it down the drain.

Oh yeah, 162,000 people in the top 10% tax bracket paid no income tax. He might have been one of them a couple years ago.

I am appalled that everything is about getting elected or reelected. There is no more right , wrong , no more doing what's good or bad for the country. Its all about doing whatever is nescessary to win the next election. I am tired of going to the polls and voting against the lesser of two bad choices. I want to be able to vote "for" someone for a change.

I am too SH, as I believe a lot of Americans are. The Constitution was written on
the basis that it would be carried out by Statesmen serving only for the reason of
what's best for America.
Where can you find such people? I know of a couple at the local and state level
but they could never make it to the top without selling their souls.
Until a true Statesman comes to the forefront, if ever, the only choice that I see
is a vote for a candidate for a large overbaring government that stifles our liberty or one who proports a smaller efficent one.

While the Mid East burns, our President is on a comedy show and 2 fund raisers
and Congress will be leaving for vacation on Friday. True servants.

The big issue is where is the tipping point at which point the country comes tumbling down because there are too few putting into the pot and too many taking out. .

The tipping point will be sometime determined by one thing...the Baby Boomers. Starting January 1 of 2010, 10,000 Baby Boomers a day turn 65, and are thus eligible for social security and Medicare. 10,000 a day. That will continue for 15 years.

I haven't heard Obama admit that drastic changes are needed. ALl he talks about is tweaking tax rates on the rich, which is practically meaningless.

Ryan proposed a plan to reduce Medicare costs bt $4 trilion.

That's a clear difference. Obama/Biden will obviously continue to kick the can down the road, Romney/Ryan wil try to do something (no one knows if their plan will work, though).

really?
So you dont think the fiscal decisions made in the next 12 months will impact your life?
I don't stay up at night perseverating over what Government is doing, or may be about to do to me.

Financial decisions over the next year aren't likely to impact me in a meaningful way. It's an ongoing process that's important.

You dont think the wacky liberal wave of banning soft drinks, cup cakes, father daughter dances is REAL?
In the big picture it's insignificant, this stuff comes and goes.

You dont think massive increases in govt dependance is REAL?
Most of this is being driven by demographics. That's not to say there in a financial challenge, but in context of Romney's 47% comment -- which you whole heartily endorse -- it has little to do with ideology.

Not only are you a liberal, you're ignorant. Is that an oxymoron?
Statements like this only reaffirm my believe that many people don't have a clue what a real Liberal is...

-spence

Statements like this only reaffirm my believe that many people don't have a clue what a real Liberal is...
-spence

Spence,

Please share what a REAL liberal is and what a FAKE liberal is.

Thanks!

You didn't really mean that his statement is 100% true, did you. You couldn't have meant that. His statement confirms he is a bleeping fool. Hopefully, it will seal the deal in Ohio and Nevada and this thing is over.
Where to start? If he meant the 47% to be people who don't pay income tax, well then he is a moron because a large percentage of those are the elderly who vote republican, poor southern white men, veterans.
If he meant 47% of Americans, in general, will vote for Obama because they are victims, but not specifically reffering to the income tax group, that is also patently false. More educated people, professionals, and specifically educated women back Obama. So just eliminate those people and what is the percent that actually fall into his assinine categorization?

8% of Americans pay no income or payroll taxes. Most of that 8% are people who work, but make less than 20,000 a year working at places like McDonalds and DD. There are students and vets in that group, as well.There are freeloading bums out there, but they are a small percent. It is getting fun watching this guy flush it down the drain.

Oh yeah, 162,000 people in the top 10% tax bracket paid no income tax. He might have been one of them a couple years ago.

You and the media are distorting his comments. Hs is not saying that 47% of the people are deadbeats. he is saying that 47% of the population will vote for Obama no matter what. Thats his base. And no matter whay Romney does, these people (including you) BELIEVE that they need govt help, healthcare, housing, etc. Its a fact. 47% or more believe that. thats what Obama has done and thats what Obama supporters vote for. Read his quote again. I stand by that its 100% true.

I don't stay up at night perseverating over what Government is doing, or may be about to do to me.

Financial decisions over the next year aren't likely to impact me in a meaningful way. It's an ongoing process that's important.


In the big picture it's insignificant, this stuff comes and goes.


Most of this is being driven by demographics. That's not to say there in a financial challenge, but in context of Romney's 47% comment -- which you whole heartily endorse -- it has little to do with ideology.


Statements like this only reaffirm my believe that many people don't have a clue what a real Liberal is...

-spence

I cant even respond. I guess you watched the riots in greece and the blow up in Europe and said "Nope, that will never happen here"
Ignorance.

Statements like this only reaffirm my believe that many people don't have a clue what a real Liberal is...

-spence

Spence seriously, I would really like to hear your take on what a Real Liberal is.
Inquiring minds want to know, seriously, you keep me learnin.

You and the media are distorting his comments. Hs is not saying that 47% of the people are deadbeats. he is saying that 47% of the population will vote for Obama no matter what. Thats his base. And no matter whay Romney does, these people (including you) BELIEVE that they need govt help, healthcare, housing, etc. Its a fact. 47% or more believe that. thats what Obama has done and thats what Obama supporters vote for. Read his quote again. I stand by that its 100% true.

Pretty much nothing in his statement is true.

Romney very inarticulately tried to draw a parallel between Obama supporters and those who rely on government...the problem is anyway you want to slice it up it's wrong.

-spence

I cant even respond. I guess you watched the riots in greece and the blow up in Europe and said "Nope, that will never happen here"
Ignorance.

Apples and oranges. Greece has no cash flow.

I'm still worried about Romney by the way.

So after pledging he'd never pay less than 13% in taxes over the past decade and that he'd be unfit for office if he ever paid more than was required.......................................... ....................Romney actually overpays his taxes to keep his average above 13%.

Worse, it looks like the campaign issues this bad news primarily to distract from all the fall out over his 47% remarks.

Jim should be all over this as he loves honesty and facts.

Soon you're going to see his campaign chief resign...just wait.

-spence

So after pledging he'd never pay less than 13% in taxes over the past decade and that he'd be unfit for office if he ever paid more than was required.......................................... ....................Romney actually overpays his taxes to keep his average above 13%.

-spence

b/c if he took all his deductions he would have paid 9%... my guess is this is why the other years haven't been released. nothing illegal, fyi... I'm not implying he is a tax cheat....

b/c if he took all his deductions he would have paid 9%... my guess is this is why the other years haven't been released. nothing illegal, fyi... I'm not implying he is a tax cheat....
It's a nice move...manipulate your taxes so they align with your talking points.

And President Obama had the gall to claim the elite played by a different set of rules :hihi:

-spence

Politics boys, Politics. :hihi:
Maybe the same reason why Joe only took $300 in charitable deductions. :huh: :doh:

I am amazed how infrequently the "redistribution of wealth" issue and quote is brought up. Probably the single most socialistic statement any politician has dared to make publicly.

Barack Obama "I Believe in Redistribution of Wealth" Comment Loyola University 1998! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PUUpa5X4E)

Meet Joe Plumber/ Obama talks to Joe Plumber (FULL VIDEO) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCSSXyp0)

It's a nice move...manipulate your taxes so they align with your talking points.

And President Obama had the gall to claim the elite played by a different set of rules :hihi:

-spence

Spence, do you expect Romney to pay more than what he owes? we are all supposed to pay what we owe.

Unless you are Tim Geithner. Spence, if you are OK with Tim Geithner's approach to taxes, by what logic can you quarrel with Mitt Romney?

Spence, do you expect Romney to pay more than what he owes? we are all supposed to pay what we owe.


Romney said if he paid more than he owed he'd be unfit to be president...then promptly over paid to get his average above 13% so he wouldn't flip flop on another promise.

This is exactly the stuff you live for, I'm astounded you're not all over it :hihi:

-spence

I am amazed how infrequently the "redistribution of wealth" issue and quote is brought up. Probably the single most socialistic statement any politician has dared to make publicly.

Probably because it's taken out of context and hence isn't very newsworthy.

Listen to the full statement.

-spence

WSJ reports Romney paid an effective tax rate of 14.1% for 2011 and
an annual effective rate of 20.2% for the 20 year span from 1990 to 2009.
Prolly about right for a guy who pays most of his taxes based on IRS capital
gains income law.

Prolly about right for a guy who pays most of his taxes based on IRS capital gains law.
Why do you think bankers give so much to Congress? To give them tax loopholes to defer their income with.

-spence

I was just very surprised to hear the words. Especially since everything seems to get taken out of context.

WSJ reports Romney paid an effective tax rate of 14.1% for 2011 and
an annual effective rate of 20.2% for the 20 year span from 1990 to 2009.
Prolly about right for a guy who pays most of his taxes based on IRS capital
gains income law.

Probably about right for a guy that gives away 30% of his income. All those that top that,feel free to tell us what a cheat Romney is !!

Why do you think bankers give so much to Congress? To give them tax loopholes to defer their income with.

-spence

Of course, everyone gives to a candidate or party because they want something.

However, the purpose of a lower long term capital gains tax is to keep the
money invested in a company for long term use so it helps to capitalize,
grow the company, and hire more employees. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course, everyone gives to a candidate or party because they want something.
Any why Romney's tax plan will fall apart, every deduction has a constituency and he's not going to name names before the election.

However, the purpose of a lower long term capital gains tax is to keep the money invested in a company for long term use so it helps to capitalize, grow the company, and hire more employees. Nothing wrong with that.
No, those are the tax rules that you and I follow.

A fund manager get's to set the initial value of profit they're entitled as part of their contract at zero if they want and be listed as a partner...even if they know the value should be higher...

It's even more crazy when you look at Romney's retirement account. He can then take these "worthless" profit shares and sell them into his 401K, where they grow like mushrooms tax free and circumvent contribution limits.

Worse, Romney then cut a deal where he gets his profit share for 10 years after employment...even though he's not working? These aren't priced options that any top exec would get...they're special.

I'm still curious to understand if he's really used Cayman firms so his IRA can invest back in Bain and avoid the tax hit.

Bottom line...there's a lot of tax talking points out there...but we're talking about someone who doesn't even reflect the 1%.

This is like fingers on one hand kind of stuff.

-spence

Brutal...

When These 6 People Think You Blew It, You Know Your Campaign Is In Trouble (http://www.upworthy.com/when-these-6-people-think-you-blew-it-you-know-your-campaign-is-in-trouble?g=2&c=ufb1)

-spence

Brutal...

When These 6 People Think You Blew It, You Know Your Campaign Is In Trouble (http://www.upworthy.com/when-these-6-people-think-you-blew-it-you-know-your-campaign-is-in-trouble?g=2&c=ufb1)

-spence

you are kidding, right???

desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel for anything....

that may be your "Magnum Dope-us" :uhuh:

Brooks(still impressed with Obamas pant crease) and Scarborough....who cares what they think?

Lowry and Foster hardly think he "blew it" or his campaign is in trouble...historically he's in awfully good shape

Linda McMahon? suddenly her opinion matters to you?...or anyone on the left....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Bill Kristol....a portion of his comment was conveniently left out...this should infuriate Paul S

"It remains important for the country that Romney wins in November (unless he chooses to step down and we get the Ryan-Rubio ticket we deserve!). But that shouldn’t blind us to the fact that Romney’s comments, like those of Obama four years ago, are arrogant and stupid."



there is and should be far more concern at the Obama campaign at this point, but you/they will never admit it

pretty funny....

By Deroy Murdock
September 24, 2012 4:00 A.M. No good deed goes undemagogued.

Republican nominee Mitt Romney on Friday released his 2011 tax return. Democrats instantly hammered him for doing exactly what they have demanded of the rich throughout their dirty class war.
Romney is mean, cold-hearted, uncaring, and incapable of connecting with his fellow man — or so Democrats insist. And yet Romney and his wife earned $13,696,951 in 2011, paid $1,935,708 in taxes, and donated $4,020,772 to charity. The Romneys’ donations equaled 208 percent of what they paid in taxes. The Romneys gave away 29.4 percent of what they made last year. This goes beyond tithing, the Biblical appeal to render onto others one tenth of what one reaps. This tops a 25 percent gratuity — considered a genuine example of generosity. The Romneys handed out nearly one third of their winnings in 2011.

How does this compare with Romney’s opponents for the White House?

The President and Mrs. Barack Obama made $789,674 last year, placing them deep within the dreaded “1 percent” — as luck would have it. (That notorious threshold applies to tax returns that report at least $343,927.) They gave $172,130 to charity, or 21.8 percent of their income.

And what about Vice President Joe “Back in Chains” Biden? He and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, scored $379,035 in 2011. These 1 percenters gave away $5,540 — a whopping 1.5 percent of their income. As parsimonious as this seems, this actually is an improvement for the bleeding-heart Bidens. As Politico’s Josh Gerstein noted Friday, “When the Obama campaign released past tax returns for Biden in 2008, it was revealed that the Bidens donated just $3,690 to charity over 10 years — an average of $369 a year.”

So, confronted with this evidence that Romney’s heart might not be made of dry ice after all, Democrats paused and heartily applauded his philanthropy.


And then I woke up.

?Heads, I Win; Tails, You Lose? - National Review Online (http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/328335)

what I find hilariousl is that the people who cackle the most about Romney and his taxes are the same people that have long overstayed their usefulness in the House and Senate, how long has Harry Reid been there???, what has he really accomplished??? these are the same people that have crafted much of the tax policy over the countless years and many other policies that they either bitch about or try to prop up depending on the advantage that they feel it provides them.....Romney has never been shown to have done anything wrong regarding his taxes or anything else, they just "imply" the he must be doing something wrong in much the same way that Spence is now implying racism out of desperation, frustation and who knows...maybe intoxication ...:)

"racist, tax-dodging babies" :rotf2:

A fund manager get's to set the initial value of profit they're entitled as part of their contract at zero if they want and be listed as a partner...even if they know the value should be higher...

It's even more crazy when you look at Romney's retirement account. He can then take these "worthless" profit shares and sell them into his 401K, where they grow like mushrooms tax free and circumvent contribution limits.

Worse, Romney then cut a deal where he gets his profit share for 10 years after employment...even though he's not working? These aren't priced options that any top exec would get...they're special.

I'm still curious to understand if he's really used Cayman firms so his IRA can invest back in Bain and avoid the tax hit.

Bottom line...there's a lot of tax talking points out there...but we're talking about someone who doesn't even reflect the 1%.

This is like fingers on one hand kind of stuff.

-spence

You'll have to complain to the IRS,or better yet have them change the rules.

Brutal...

When These 6 People Think You Blew It, You Know Your Campaign Is In Trouble (http://www.upworthy.com/when-these-6-people-think-you-blew-it-you-know-your-campaign-is-in-trouble?g=2&c=ufb1)

-spence

OK, so now Spence thinks that Linda McMahon's opinions are significant.

Spence, since you obviously give great credibility to Linda McMahon's opinions...what do you suppose she thinks of Obama?

Amazingly, she is in a neck-and-neck campaign with liberal empty suit Chris Murphy. Incredible to me that she has a shot here in the People's Republic Of Konnecticut-stan.

And what about Vice President Joe “Back in Chains” Biden?

Oh man,now that is funnie. :grins:

You'll have to complain to the IRS,or better yet have them change the rules.
The money guys get to make the rules, that's the entire point.

-spence

The money guys get to make the rules, that's the entire point.

-spence

For all of 2009, Obama and the Democratic Congress made the rules. If they had issues with the tax code, they could have changed it. They chose not to. So why, then, is it fair to attack Romney for playing by the rules that the Democrats indirectly endorsed, by opting not to change them when they had the opportunity to change them?

Filibuster proof majority from September 24, 2009 to February 10, 2010. The two years and "all of 2009" statements are incorrect.

There were more than 100 Republican filibusters in 2009.
How Filibusters Are Strangling the Senate - Political Hotsheet - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6014772-503544.html)

Filibuster proof majority from September 24, 2009 to February 10, 2010. The two years and "all of 2009" statements are incorrect.

There were more than 100 Republican filibusters in 2009.
How Filibusters Are Strangling the Senate - Political Hotsheet - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6014772-503544.html)

(1) What happens while the MN Senate seat wwas contested? Who voted for that seat? No one?

(2) Regardless of how long there was a fillibuster-proof majority...unless the GOP defeated a proposed immigration bill by fillibuster, Obama cannot blame the GOP for killing immigration reform. He just can't. There has been no immigration reform because the Democrats didn't propose any such bill, not because of the GOP.

This is pretty friggin funny....

"SNL" to Obama: Stop talking - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVszdwtfVoE)

(1) What happens while the MN Senate seat wwas contested? Who voted for that seat? No one?

No one. It was empty until July 7, 2009.

(2) Regardless of how long there was a fillibuster-proof majority...unless the GOP defeated a proposed immigration bill by fillibuster, Obama cannot blame the GOP for killing immigration reform. He just can't. There has been no immigration reform because the Democrats didn't propose any such bill, not because of the GOP.

People should stop throwing around that democrats had the white house and majority in congress for two years or one year or 13 months. It isn't true. The dream act doesn't count as a proposed bill? The house passed a version of it in 2010. Reid proposed a version of it in 2011


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Zimmy, the Democrats absolutely had the White House and the majority of Congress. They did not have a fillibuster-proof majority, but they absolutely, 100% had a mathemaytical majority until January 2010.

The DREAM Act is not immigration reform. It's another entitlement program.

Zimmy, the Democrats absolutely had the White House and the majority of Congress. They did not have a fillibuster-proof majority, but they absolutely, 100% had a mathemaytical majority until January 2010.
If you'd been paying attention you'd know that that doesn't really matter...

The DREAM Act is not immigration reform. It's another entitlement program.
Clearly you don't have a clue what the DREAM Act even was then.

Please do some homework before posting, it's getting distracting.

-spence

I'm still worried about Romney by the way. The hit he took over the 47% debacle has him this week touting his MA health care plan and how he cares so much for all Americans. When he's unscripted the man can find a way to contradict himself multiple times in the same statement.

And I thought my Audi had a tight turning radius! :hihi:

-spence

I'm still worried about Romney by the way. The hit he took over the 47% debacle has him this week touting his MA health care plan and how he cares so much for all Americans. When he's unscripted the man can find a way to contradict himself multiple times in the same statement.

And I thought my Audi had a tight turning radius! :hihi:

-spence

Audi's are sooooooo gay.......
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Audi's are sooooooo gay.......
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It was two cars ago...

-spence

I'm still worried about Romney by the way. The hit he took over the 47% debacle has him this week touting his MA health care plan and how he cares so much for all Americans. When he's unscripted the man can find a way to contradict himself multiple times in the same statement.

And I thought my Audi had a tight turning radius! :hihi:

-spence

I'm worried about you :uhuh: you're never voting for him so don't worry about the troubles that you percieve for him, celebrate them in your mind:)

today Rasmussen Obama 47 Romney 46

you should focus your concern on your hero...

Posted 09/27/2012

The final revision for the second quarter is in, and it isn't pretty: GDP grew at a yearly rate of just 1.3%, not 1.7% as earlier estimated. Worse, durable goods orders plunged 13.2% in August, the biggest drop since the recession and an ominous sign the second half will be just as bad.





it will be hilaroius if Obama ends up with 47%:uhuh:

it will be hilaroius if Obama ends up with 47%:uhuh:

I just choked on my coffee:rotf2: People that skip this forum miss out on some pretty funny sheet.

I just choked on my coffee:rotf2: People that skip this forum miss out on some pretty funny sheet.

just hope you weren't laughing at how I spelled hilarious:)

I'm worried about you :uhuh: you're never voting for him so don't worry about the troubles that you percieve for him, celebrate them in your mind:)
I've left my mind open until we get more data. Romney is vacillating so hard on some key issues I'm not sure which Mitt Romney is going to be there come election day.



you should focus your concern on your hero...

Posted 09/27/2012

The final revision for the second quarter is in, and it isn't pretty: GDP grew at a yearly rate of just 1.3%, not 1.7% as earlier estimated. Worse, durable goods orders plunged 13.2% in August, the biggest drop since the recession and an ominous sign the second half will be just as bad.

Durable goods orders in some sectors like aero were sky high earlier this summer and the market is just stabilizing. Other manufacturing indicators were positive in August, you can't just strip out a metric that makes you happy and pretend it paints a full picture.

The global slowdown is going to be a drag on the economy and there's little President Obama or Gov. Romney can do about it.

Perhaps the biggest thing we can control is a resolution on planned Government spending cuts if Congress can't get their act together...this would put a real and immediate dent in GDP.

-spence

I've left my mind open...

-spence

now that's funny!!!! :rotf2:

now that's funny!!!! :rotf2:

Would have been funnier if you said it...

Would have been funnier if you said it...

based on what Bryan?

not something that I'd claim because I find that the people who claim or brag about their "open-mindedness" are usually some of the most closed-minded and idealogical individuals that you could ever want to meet, they just view their own narrow version of "open-mindedness" as "superior" to other's open or closed-mindedness depending on how you measure it :uhuh:

I'm concerned that Mitt and Obama are allegedly the two "best" options this country has to lead us out of the economic collapse and towards unifying the country as a whole.

Btw, anyone keeping track of the Student Loan Bubble that's primed to burst? Aside from Warren claiming we should provide event more debt support (with what funds is still confusing), I haven't heard much in the way of our two main presidential candidates opinions on the student loan debt that people voluntarily signed up for.
The Student Loan Bubble In 19 Simple Charts | ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-28/student-loan-bubble-19-simple-charts)
The guys at Zero Hedge have been doing an excellent job (and probably the only job) tracking yet another possible financial collapse.

I'm concerned that Mitt and Obama are allegedly the two "best" options this country has to lead us out of the economic collapse and towards unifying the country as a whole.

Btw, anyone keeping track of the Student Loan Bubble that's primed to burst?

the Federal Government should institute a "fee" on everyone's phone bill and call it the "Universal Education Fee", which is very different from a tax as we've learned from Spence, and then apply that money to help pay for the student loans that former students can't or won't pay for, after all...they are "guaranteed".....I think that's "open-minded" thinking :)