LINESIDES
06-05-2003, 08:08 PM
Some answers!
Get REEL! I have not lost a rig with a fish on it yet and have fished umbrella rigs for some years. Now you tell me what happens to the fish you get on a popper full of hooks and break off because you are using lite line and it has the plug down its throught It appears to me that you did not think this post through before you posted Also they are single hook rigs on each bait so I would feel they could get off better than a plug???????
the fish dies . . . so what!!! You just helped the lobster population eat dinner. In 13 years of fishing wire, I've NEVER lost a rig - NOT ONE.
anybody trolling with mono line using the 9ers umbrella rig just picked one up but my heavy trolling rod has 30lb mono line on it any suggestion on what type of weight I should use to get this rig down in the water column any info will help
I play softball against the kid who owns the company and I think the recommendation for the rig is at least 40lb. test. what I do with mine is drop it down beside the boat while in neutral, let it go straight down to desired depth and then begin your troll. if you set it out while moving, it tends to stay up higher in the column. see how that works.
I use them allot and fish with 45# leadcore. It works out each color out is 5' in depth so trolling in 16'-18' water two colors out puts you at 10' two and a half out you are at 15' or
Some of this site is about education. People come here looking for help, and we try to help them. When it comes to umbrella rigs, I want to make sure they understand what is going on! I have seen boats with as many as six to eight rods be pulled behind there boat. All rod were spinning. Lite pound test, I would assume. All rigs armed to the hilt.
This could be as many as “9” hooks. Or “8” hooks and a plug. As some one said on this site. They have seen home made rigs, with as many as “12’ sets of hooks. My concern is not about the folks that “Know” how to use them.
My concern is for the folks looking for the correct information. I like to see them get it!! This is not about braking off on bottom, on lobster traps. This is about having your line brake on a fish hook up.
“It appears to me that you did not think this post through before you posted!”
I realize the idea here is to “catch more than one fish!”
I also own them! I have also have never lost one! Its because, I have never used mine! I purchased mine years ago. They were even more popular in years past. What made me not use mine, was the day I saw 5 forties floating on top of the water dead. It was only armed with 4 hooks and a plug. I realize some people don’t care what happens after they “hook up”, but I do. I have too much respect for stripers, not to care. They have given me allot of pleasure over the years. I believe that, in the old days, umbrella rigs played a small part in the down fall of these fish. The folks in the “Know’ hammered the stripers for years. People in 18 foot boats were weighing it as much as1500 pounds a week on rod and reel. Fishing alone, I may add, “One rod”!!! For the folks using “lite” line to run these Rigs, what you need to know is, that if you only catch one fish, and it breaks off and swims away with this contraption in it face.
“YOUR FISH IS SWIMMING BACK TO THE POD TO FILL UP THE REST OF THE HOOKS THAT HAVE NO FISH ON THEM!!”
Then they struggle to the death!!! Hooks will rot out of a fish in about five weeks, if the live through it. Just the end exposed to the open water rot’s away. I am only speaking of stripers here. On a Tinned hook, what gets the hook rotting, is the chemical in the skim coat of the fish. Or the slime on the out side and in side the mouth. Its there slip coat. Some may have felt this in a reaction from this coating after lifting up a lot of stripers by there gill plates, and having the fingers between there knuckles get allot of small scratches on them from the gills. This can make your fingers swell and feel quite sore. Or catching a dorsal fin in the hand or down by your foot or ankle. My friends, this can be quite painful, not to say the swelling this can cause. This is the same thing. My in put to this lesson is this. If you would like to store them in a safe manner, you can cut a piece of PVC pipe 26 ½ “ long and cap the ends with plastic paint can caps. You can store at least two armed rigs saftely in the tube, in this manner. This is a great way to store them. I would know. Mine are still as good as the day I put them away. I would think this would be a terrible way to loose the fish of a life time!!! I fish two rods, two lures or baits. To each his own, I think they say.
Enough of my rambling. I like this answers!!
Most guys used 60# test wire with 80# mono backing which rarely breaks.
I will add, 80# to 100# leader to the Rig.”Pink”!!! I like 80# Dacron backing. Wire size is Ok.
To each his own.
We have all come here to learn more about this fish. And they have come to the right site. My hat is off to John. I believe he has what they say in this trade! He has clearly paid his dues!!
Very alive and still sitting under a wing!! Later,
:cool:
Get REEL! I have not lost a rig with a fish on it yet and have fished umbrella rigs for some years. Now you tell me what happens to the fish you get on a popper full of hooks and break off because you are using lite line and it has the plug down its throught It appears to me that you did not think this post through before you posted Also they are single hook rigs on each bait so I would feel they could get off better than a plug???????
the fish dies . . . so what!!! You just helped the lobster population eat dinner. In 13 years of fishing wire, I've NEVER lost a rig - NOT ONE.
anybody trolling with mono line using the 9ers umbrella rig just picked one up but my heavy trolling rod has 30lb mono line on it any suggestion on what type of weight I should use to get this rig down in the water column any info will help
I play softball against the kid who owns the company and I think the recommendation for the rig is at least 40lb. test. what I do with mine is drop it down beside the boat while in neutral, let it go straight down to desired depth and then begin your troll. if you set it out while moving, it tends to stay up higher in the column. see how that works.
I use them allot and fish with 45# leadcore. It works out each color out is 5' in depth so trolling in 16'-18' water two colors out puts you at 10' two and a half out you are at 15' or
Some of this site is about education. People come here looking for help, and we try to help them. When it comes to umbrella rigs, I want to make sure they understand what is going on! I have seen boats with as many as six to eight rods be pulled behind there boat. All rod were spinning. Lite pound test, I would assume. All rigs armed to the hilt.
This could be as many as “9” hooks. Or “8” hooks and a plug. As some one said on this site. They have seen home made rigs, with as many as “12’ sets of hooks. My concern is not about the folks that “Know” how to use them.
My concern is for the folks looking for the correct information. I like to see them get it!! This is not about braking off on bottom, on lobster traps. This is about having your line brake on a fish hook up.
“It appears to me that you did not think this post through before you posted!”
I realize the idea here is to “catch more than one fish!”
I also own them! I have also have never lost one! Its because, I have never used mine! I purchased mine years ago. They were even more popular in years past. What made me not use mine, was the day I saw 5 forties floating on top of the water dead. It was only armed with 4 hooks and a plug. I realize some people don’t care what happens after they “hook up”, but I do. I have too much respect for stripers, not to care. They have given me allot of pleasure over the years. I believe that, in the old days, umbrella rigs played a small part in the down fall of these fish. The folks in the “Know’ hammered the stripers for years. People in 18 foot boats were weighing it as much as1500 pounds a week on rod and reel. Fishing alone, I may add, “One rod”!!! For the folks using “lite” line to run these Rigs, what you need to know is, that if you only catch one fish, and it breaks off and swims away with this contraption in it face.
“YOUR FISH IS SWIMMING BACK TO THE POD TO FILL UP THE REST OF THE HOOKS THAT HAVE NO FISH ON THEM!!”
Then they struggle to the death!!! Hooks will rot out of a fish in about five weeks, if the live through it. Just the end exposed to the open water rot’s away. I am only speaking of stripers here. On a Tinned hook, what gets the hook rotting, is the chemical in the skim coat of the fish. Or the slime on the out side and in side the mouth. Its there slip coat. Some may have felt this in a reaction from this coating after lifting up a lot of stripers by there gill plates, and having the fingers between there knuckles get allot of small scratches on them from the gills. This can make your fingers swell and feel quite sore. Or catching a dorsal fin in the hand or down by your foot or ankle. My friends, this can be quite painful, not to say the swelling this can cause. This is the same thing. My in put to this lesson is this. If you would like to store them in a safe manner, you can cut a piece of PVC pipe 26 ½ “ long and cap the ends with plastic paint can caps. You can store at least two armed rigs saftely in the tube, in this manner. This is a great way to store them. I would know. Mine are still as good as the day I put them away. I would think this would be a terrible way to loose the fish of a life time!!! I fish two rods, two lures or baits. To each his own, I think they say.
Enough of my rambling. I like this answers!!
Most guys used 60# test wire with 80# mono backing which rarely breaks.
I will add, 80# to 100# leader to the Rig.”Pink”!!! I like 80# Dacron backing. Wire size is Ok.
To each his own.
We have all come here to learn more about this fish. And they have come to the right site. My hat is off to John. I believe he has what they say in this trade! He has clearly paid his dues!!
Very alive and still sitting under a wing!! Later,
:cool: