Let the rioting begin....

i think the Military or police forces
should decry ......

All looters will be shot on sight

whether with dye packs
or knock out darts ....

maximum sentences for all

This whole story was Media driven, starting with Obama's comments !
Had Trevon Martin been white we would never heard of George Zimmerman !

I think the rioting is largely a right wing fantasy.
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Didn't take long

I really could not care less one way or the other.

This whole story was Media driven, starting with Obama's comments !
Had Trevon Martin been white we would never heard of George Zimmerman !

Yes to both. And the race baiter industry (on both sides)

I think the rioting is largely a right wing fantasy.
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Funny how the right wing never riots though

love it. When does zimmerman get his piece back?

love it. When does zimmerman get his piece back?



Zimmerman will need to wear a bullet proof vest the rest of his days 24/7
The vest won't do much for a head shot though :uhuh:

Funny how the right wing never riots though

Even a moon....pragmatist would have to agree with that.
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Funny how the right wing never riots though
John, you're better than that.

-spence

love it. When does zimmerman get his piece back?

He already did.

Whole thing is bull crap. He never should have been charged.

He already did.

Whole thing is bull crap. He never should have been charged.

It was a good shoot from the giddy up.

Not sure what all the drama and suspense was about. I love how all the pictures shown in the media were from when the kid was like 7 or 8 years old... Because any recent pictures of him had him throwing up all sorts of gang signs and what not. :smash:

Ronnie, I could kill for some skittles right now :)

It was a good shoot from the giddy up.

No, it may have become a 'good shoot' AFTER he got out of his car with a 9mm and put himself in a situation HE DID not belong in, was not trained for and was told not to get out of his car.

Bottom line, a kid is dead because Zimmerman got himself into a situation he couldn't handle without deadly force.

Bottom line, a kid is dead because Zimmerman got himself into a situation he couldn't handle without deadly force.

His martial arts instructor pretty much said he was a wuss, couldn't throw a punch.

Good thing he had a concealed weapon while on neighborhood watch against the orders of the local PD. If he didn't he would have never got out of his truck and we wouldn't have had this tragic media circus to entertain us.
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Skittles are awesome !!!
Wonder if this this whole circus helped boost or hurt Skittles sales ?



Ronnie, I could kill for some skittles right now :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;1006255]No, it may have become a 'good shoot' AFTER he got out of his car with a 9mm and put himself in a situation HE DID not belong in, was not trained for and was told not to get out of his car.



Maybe had the kid not been suspended from school for having drugs he would not have been visiting his father that day.
Funny how the media barely mentioned that & only put out pictures of a much younger kid than one of him 17 & at 1st called Zimmernam a White male, then eventually called him a White Hispanic.
Is Zimmerman even part white, or as the kid called him "a Cracker"

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;1006255]No, it may have become a 'good shoot' AFTER he got out of his car with a 9mm and put himself in a situation HE DID not belong in, was not trained for and was told not to get out of his car.



Maybe had the kid not been suspended from school for having drugs he would not have been visiting his father that day.
Funny how the media barely mentioned that & only put out pictures of a much younger kid than one of him 17 & at 1st called Zimmernam a White male, then eventually called him a White Hispanic.
Is Zimmerman even part white, or as the kid called him "a Cracker"
So what? He's not a perfect kid so you get to shoot him? That's effed.
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[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1006263]
So what? He's not a perfect kid so you get to shoot him? That's effed.
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Had the kid kept pounding Zimmerman's head off the ground till he was dead, you think we would every learned of this story ?
No #^&#^&#^&#^&ing way !!!

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Had the kid kept pounding Zimmerman's head off the ground till he was dead, you think we would every learned of this story ?
No #^&#^&#^&#^&ing way !!!
Sweet Jesus.
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[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1006268]
Sweet Jesus.
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Sweet Jesus what,
The kid was shot close range in the chest while on top of Zimmerman as he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground.
Had Zimmerman been the dead one we would have never heard about the story, no stupid comments from Obama, no Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson yelling racism & looking to do their usual extortion for $

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Sweet Jesus what,
The kid was shot close range in the chest while on top of Zimmerman as he was pounding Zimmerman's head into the ground.
Had Zimmerman been the dead one we would have never heard about the story, no stupid comments from Obama, no Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson yelling racism & looking to do their usual extortion for $
How did the altercation start?
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[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1006272]
How did the altercation start?
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I could care less how it started and could care less about Zimmerman.
What I do care about is the media & Obama turning this into a race issue.

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I could care less how it started and could care less about Zimmerman.
What I do care about is the media & Obama turning this into a race issue.
If you can't see the obvious race issue then I'm afraid you're truly lost.

Or just not paying attention.
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I don't get how you can start a fight with someone, start getting your azz kicked, and shoot and kill that person because he was kicking your azz. The kid is dictionary punk bittttch and I hope someone puts a screwdriver in his neck!
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He tried taking the law into his own hands. Dispatcher said do not follow him and he did. If he wasn't strapped he probably would have listened and let the police handle it.
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I haven't given two #^&#^&#^&#^&s about this court case because its been sensationalized by the media... But I'm with Westport mafia. Zimmerman was a want to be cop trying to apprehend a "perp". If I was cutting through someone's yard and someone like Zimmerman tried to apprehend me, I'd probably end up putting up a fight as well.
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I don't get how you can start a fight with someone, start getting your azz kicked, and shoot and kill that person because he was kicking your azz. The kid is dictionary punk bittttch and I hope someone puts a screwdriver in his neck!
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We'll score this one for the prosecution.
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If you can't see the obvious race issue then I'm afraid you're truly lost.

Or just not paying attention.
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you are just upset because you were wrong as usual:rotf2: and apparently missed or are ignoring all of the details and facts of the trial :uhuh:

the "obvious race issue" is that the usual suspects from the President on down turned this into a race issue without any regard for the facts....

I hope someone puts a screwdriver in his neck!
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his fate is sealed .....

his fate is sealed .....

Agreed. Zimmerman is a dead man walking. If he was packing before he will be wearing two shoulder rigs ankle pieces etc. public opinion made the guy guilty long before the case was heard.

It's fairly telling when MSN writes an article on the jurors and makes sure to detail four of the jurors are white women. The other two race was not revealed. The whole thing stinks. From Zimmerman following the kid to the multiple "interpretations" of the 911 call prior to the case being heard. To the POTUS levying an opinion prior to any of the real facts being heard.

Zimmerman is an idiot, a poster boy for delusions of Grandeur. Trayvon was not some innocent kid either.

Bottom line is there were not sufficient facts to convict Zimmerman in a court of law but per Hammurabi's code his eye will be taken, dont know when. But he will wind up taking some one else out. Or he will be taken out.
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He tried taking the law into his own hands. Dispatcher said do not follow him and he did. If he wasn't strapped he probably would have listened and let the police handle it.
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That's not what happened at all. Here's the problem . Some of you are ignoring the facts that came out in the trial and instead basing you're opinions on the bs that the media put out before the trlal.
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i wouldn't stay in America
if i were him....
Alaska maybe....
but he doesn't look able to handle Alaska
his LOOKS
will have to radically change
or he'll have to "enrole/request"
the witness protection program

This case should serve a lesson to all about how the media manipulates facts to distort them to serve their agenda. NBC has just admitted that they "edited" his statement to make it look like he stalked and killed Martin. This is definately true for politics as well. I truly believe that I can't believe anything i see or read any more will be 100% truthful unbiased journalism. There was once a day when any news that had any skewed opinion in it was not considered news and then considered "opinion". Those days are long gone.
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So what? He's not a perfect kid so you get to shoot him? That's effed.

When someone is cracking your head on the pavement....yes it could be justified.

Quote from Obama...."If I had a son I would want him to be like Travon." Apparently the anoited one did not know his rap sheet was an arms length....I myself would not want a son like that.

I truly believe that I can't believe anything i see or read any more will be 100% truthful unbiased journalism. .

Those days are long gone.
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it kind of struck me the other day... not from this Zimmerman case tho
that everything we learn about from the media is manipulated journalism
to keep us either PACIFIED or stupefied into "disinformation land".
~
the case i'm referring too
completely different subject i know :hidin:
is the amount of disappearing persons
from our national parks
that from the declaration of park officials
`never happened. :fury: They LIE :fury:

sad story all around. Given the evidence I dont see how he could have been convicted.
Its funny, if Zimmerman had the done the exact same thing - getting out of the car, calling the police, etc and saved someone, he would have been called a hero. He was trying to do the right thing.

having a gun on your person....

isn't having a magic wand that makes
Anything you wish happen

some people will ignore that fact
and begin the fight regardless

"that mindset" created by HOLLYWOOD
is the source of many tragedies

This case should serve a lesson to all about how the media manipulates facts to distort them to serve their agenda. NBC has just admitted that they "edited" his statement to make it look like he stalked and killed Martin. This is definately true for politics as well. I truly believe that I can't believe anything i see or read any more will be 100% truthful unbiased journalism. There was once a day when any news that had any skewed opinion in it was not considered news and then considered "opinion". Those days are long gone.
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Yes, Yes and Yes.
I prolly watched 80% of the trial and couldn't believe the speculation, conjecture and twisting of the facts by the press. What a bunch of BS.
The Press is based on sensationalism, viewer numbers and $$.
They are So far away from reporting the facts and unbiased journalism it comes nowhere near the original purpose the press was intended for.
I give those Women on the jury tremendous credit for not caving into emotion, and arriving at a verdict based on the evidence and Florida law.

My son asked me what i thought of the case just bfore the jury went into deliberation. My response was that I hope the justice system works and that the jurors make an honest determination based on the facts. I explained how the media manipulated (not just NBC) the story to sensationalize and did more of a disservice than anyone, especially Trayvon & Zimmerman.

There wasnt enough facts to convict him. But "IMHO" and thats OPINION, is that if Zimmerman wasnt trying to be a Herowannabecop the kid would be alive, and prob in jail where he belongs. Hey bud, you cant fight, your not tough, leave this to the real cops.

There wasnt enough facts to convict him. But "IMHO" and thats OPINION, is that if Zimmerman wasnt trying to be a Herowannabecop the kid would be alive, and prob in jail where he belongs. Hey bud, you cant fight, your not tough, leave this to the real cops.

The cops kill unarmed people too. When they fear for thier own safety .
What we don't know is if Zimmerman would have been killed if he hadn't had the gun
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[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1006276]
If you can't see the obvious race issue then I'm afraid you're truly lost.

Or just not paying attention.
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Where is the race issue.....zimmerman is hespanic.....yes I remember where the race issue started....news media calling him a "White Hespanic." from the gitgo.

I guess with a name like zimmerman UUUU could almost say he is Jewish

Actually the media started out calling him White.
Then after the pictures of him came out and he's obviously not a White guy they then called him a White Hispanic.



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Where is the race issue.....zimmerman is hespanic.....yes I remember where the race issue started....news media calling him a "White Hespanic." from the gitgo.

I guess with a name like zimmerman UUUU could almost say he is Jewish
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Women’s jewelry and a watch found in Trayvon Martin’s school backpack last fall could not be tied to any reported thefts, the Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday.

The Miami Herald in its Tuesday editions reported that it had obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, the report said, campus security officers found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they felt could be used as a burglary tool.


Funny how I'm (probably most of the rest of the country also) just hearing about this today.
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that was merely gifts for his pot smokin girlfriends
nothin new here :think:

That's not what happened at all. Here's the problem . Some of you are ignoring the facts that came out in the trial and instead basing you're opinions on the bs that the media put out before the trlal.
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That's exactly what happened. If he would have simply listened to the dispatcher this would have not have happened.That call was not BS. And if you think otherwise your crazy.
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The cops kill unarmed people too. When they fear for thier own safety .
What we don't know is if Zimmerman would have been killed if he hadn't had the gun
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This is speculation but I'd be willing to wager had he not had a gun he would have stayed in his car.
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That's exactly what happened. If he would have simply listened to the dispatcher this would have not have happened.That call was not BS. And if you think otherwise your crazy.
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People have been citing a lot of misinformation from the trial.

Buck, please enlighten us.
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I hope someone puts a screwdriver in his neck!
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Exactly why we have the armed citizen....screwdriver aganist the gun....smart

When someone is cracking your head on the pavement....yes it could be.

Doesn't Martin have every right to defend himself?
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Doesn't Martin have every right to defend himself?
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was Martin attacked? Was there any proof that Zimmerman attached Martin? Any proof? Did Martin have any wounds other than the gubshot? Clothes torn? marks on zimmermans hands from assualting Martin? Nope, none of the above.
Zimmerman called police, did Martin? he had a cell phone.
There is no way anyone of you could have convicted Zimmerman based on the evidence.

Doesn't Martin have every right to defend himself?
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Of course Martin does.....so does zimmerman....who threw the first punch?....its all hear say....no eye witness saw who threw the first punch.

yesterday I was ready to knock a young guy off his motor cycle with a bat....he saw the bat and turned around ...he was doing 40 in a 25....of course I would have been wrong

Wasn't it reported Martin text a girl saying he's going to kick some Cracker's SSS or something to that effect ???



QUOTE=RIJIMMY;1006407]was Martin attacked? Was there any proof that Zimmerman attached Martin? Any proof? Did Martin have any wounds other than the gubshot? Clothes torn? marks on zimmermans hands from assualting Martin? Nope, none of the above.
Zimmerman called police, did Martin? he had a cell phone.
There is no way anyone of you could have convicted Zimmerman based on the evidence.[/QUOTE]
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The killing of another when in fear for your life is very subjective. Different folks reach the point of no return at different times in a struggle. First thing the jurors had to ask themselves who had the right to belong there, Zimmerman or Martin. Regardless of whether or not the gun gave him more balls, (hell I know many cops who wouldn't have left the station without one, ands that probably why they wanted the job, to carry one) he had the gun because he volunteered for the neighborhood watch. You can rant about the dispatcher telling him not to follow the kid. The dispatcher has no lawfull authority over George Zimmerman or anyone else. Was it sound advice, more than likely though. When Zimmerman still followed the dispatcher should have reasoned with Zimmerman to at least follow from a distance. Zimmerman never made any racial statement on the cell phone call. The only racial bias I heard during the trial came from the Martin witnesses. What he did was lumped Martin in with other perps, real or not, that have caused problems in his condo development. Anyone of us might have come to the same judgement, but probably would have minded our business. The kid made a terrible seventeen year old mistake that he paid the ultimate price for. I would be willing to bet Martin showed no respect to Zimmerman, because he was a hispanic man. Hispanic people are the majority in Florida and have been for several years.

You have to remember, someone not physically fit(Zimmerman), a wuss, a female, an older person, they are going to pull that trigger much sooner than most. And the victim has the right to use a greater force against the perpetrator than is being used against them. Gun v.s. sidewalk, gun wins.

Sad situation for both families. Based on the law and no other party around to tell their side, Zimmerman would have had to have been found not guilty. That said, the law needs changing.

Sad situation for both families. Based on the law and no other party around to tell their side, Zimmerman would have had to have been found not guilty. That said, the law needs changing.

Which law?
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stand your ground.

This case was not at all decided on the stand your ground statutes as the defense avoided it like the plague. This case's defense was presented totally from the self defense point of view. If I had a kid on top of me smashing my head against the sidewalk and I had a gun in my pocket , I'd have shot him before I passed out from the head bashing. I believe if Zimmerman had passed out , the kid would have kept bashing his head in until he was dead. if I think that , its totally understandable that Zimmerman also thought his life was in danger and fired his weapon to save himself. now there was a ton of stupidity all over the place that night but it has zero bearing on Zimmerman's decision that his life was in danger and he defended himself. Good shoot , good defense , good verdict.

stand your ground.

This wasn't a " stand you're ground" case . As was pointed out
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No winners in this, no matter what happened.
It looks like now, if you are found not guilty, some politician will keep trying till some jury finds you guilty of something. Looking more like Idiocracy every day.

Exactly why we have the armed citizen....screwdriver aganist the gun....smart

Ok I'm an idiot. I hope someone shoots him in the face and then puts a screwdriver in his neck. Is that better. The kid is a bitch that got his azz kicked and couldn't fight back. Like I said the situation could have and should have been avoided and never came to what happened. He should have listened to the dispatcher END OF STORY
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The killing of another when in fear for your life is very subjective. Different folks reach the point of no return at different times in a struggle. First thing the jurors had to ask themselves who had the right to belong there, Zimmerman or Martin. Regardless of whether or not the gun gave him more balls, (hell I know many cops who wouldn't have left the station without one, ands that probably why they wanted the job, to carry one) he had the gun because he volunteered for the neighborhood watch. You can rant about the dispatcher telling him not to follow the kid. The dispatcher has no lawfull authority over George Zimmerman or anyone else. Was it sound advice, more than likely though. When Zimmerman still followed the dispatcher should have reasoned with Zimmerman to at least follow from a distance. Zimmerman never made any racial statement on the cell phone call. The only racial bias I heard during the trial came from the Martin witnesses. What he did was lumped Martin in with other perps, real or not, that have caused problems in his condo development. Anyone of us might have come to the same judgement, but probably would have minded our business. The kid made a terrible seventeen year old mistake that he paid the ultimate price for. I would be willing to bet Martin showed no respect to Zimmerman, because he was a hispanic man. Hispanic people are the majority in Florida and have been for several years.

You have to remember, someone not physically fit(Zimmerman), a wuss, a female, an older person, they are going to pull that trigger much sooner than most. And the victim has the right to use a greater force against the perpetrator than is being used against them. Gun v.s. sidewalk, gun wins.

right on the money .... i'd say... well spoken

Prosecutors sucked. Just like OJ. If Zimmerman was a high profile person like a Hernandez they would have built a much better case. The state appointed prosecutors get paid regardless of the outcome and IMO don,t have a reason to care. I'm sure they thought there was no way they could have lost based on the actual facts, not the ones admissable in a jurors room. watch how many cases like this will come up now, knowing you can hunt someone, kill them, and walk. Ifeel bad for the jurors having to let that POS free.
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That's exactly what happened. If he would have simply listened to the dispatcher this would have not have happened.That call was not BS. And if you think otherwise your crazy.
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From the testimony that I read Zimmerman had started back . Unfortunatly we have to either believe his story or not. I suggest you listen to the whole 911 tape
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Prosecutors sucked. Just like OJ. If Zimmerman was a high profile person like a Hernandez they would have built a much better case. The state appointed prosecutors get paid regardless of the outcome and IMO don,t have a reason to care. I'm sure they thought there was no way they could have lost based on the actual facts, not the ones admissable in a jurors room. watch how many cases like this will come up now, knowing you can hunt someone, kill them, and walk. Ifeel bad for the jurors having to let that POS free.
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Not sure if you know this but Zimmerman was far from a racist and up until he had to pull the trigger was a strong advocate for all. Do some research. Try the new AP story about how he helped get the chief suspended for covering up an officers sons beating of a homeless black man. Happened just last year
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Ok I'm an idiot. I hope someone shoots him in the face and then puts a screwdriver in his neck. Is that better. The kid is a bitch that got his azz kicked and couldn't fight back. Like I said the situation could have and should have been avoided and never came to what happened. He should have listened to the dispatcher END OF STORY
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What fly rod is trying to say is a gun makes you into a superhero with amazing perception and can see trouble coming from a mile away. It also gives you eyes in the back of your head to know when someone is gonna walk up behind you and shank you. :rotf2:

this is for trayvon

is what is said

before you get your Beating

yes, apparently Holder is looking to goign after Zim for a federal crime. Folks, the lesson to learn here is to turn your back, ignore your neighbors and dont look for ways to protect others. We live in a society that rewards selfish, turn away behavior.
I believe Zimmerman was 100% responsible for Martin's death. But I do not believe he was guilty of a crime. There was a fight, we dont know who started it, we only know the outcome.

Talk about a slanted press. Our paper had a headline larger than I have ever seen,
Zimmerman Not Guilty including a story from AP along with a pic of Zimmerman smiling. During the whole trial, Zimmerman had a stone face, even when the verdict was read and afterwards. But somebody got a profile pic of him with a slight smile and they played it up big time.
The DOJ is pursuing the Fed charges even though it is reported the FBI has already investigated and come up with nothing.
Great way of "Never let a crisis go to waste", change the focus away from the unanswered Benghazi, IRS, Jobs, Obamacare debacle, Economy, etc.
They're good at it, if your blind.

Folks, the lesson to learn here is to turn your back, ignore your neighbors and dont look for ways to protect others. We live in a society that rewards selfish, turn away behavior.


If that's your take away, then you're just another media driven drone.

If that's your take away, then you're just another media driven drone.

yeah because its obvious my opinion aligns with the media.

Curious how many here have grabbed a bat and investigated a noise at their home? What would have happened if you actually had to confront someone ?
Me...
I caught someone in my garage office and held them at gun point until the police arrived. 2am on my little girls first night home.
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Curious how many here have grabbed a bat and investigated a noise at their home? What would have happened if you actually had to confront someone ?


How many have ever grabbed a bat and investigated someone walking down their street doing nothing?

Thats more to the point than somebody in your house.

or better yet, what would people do if they were walking down the street minding their own business and someone started following them around, hiding in the bushes...are they the type that would run away and avoid confrontation? Or would they go up to the guy and say "WTF are you following me around for?"

Would They confront him? They could end up being shot if they do.

Tragic event, both of them could have and should have handled it differently. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

How many have ever grabbed a bat and investigated someone walking down their street doing nothing?

Thats more to the point than somebody in your house.

or better yet, what would people do if they were walking down the street minding their own business and someone started following them around, hiding in the bushes...are they the type that would run away and avoid confrontation? Or would they go up to the guy and say "WTF are you following me around for?"

Would They confront him? They could end up being shot if they do.

Tragic event, both of them could have and should have handled it differently. Then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Zimmerman wasn't randomly walking down the street .
I do agree with the last paragraph .
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Curious how many here have grabbed a bat and investigated a noise at their home? What would have happened if you actually had to confront someone ?
Me...
I caught someone in my garage office and held them at gun point until the police arrived. 2am on my little girls first night home.
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Unrelated I know, but this sounds like a good (but scary) story, would love to hear what happened...

Obama & the rest of the Liberals are loving this crap.
While we and the rest of the country are arguing over this trial few are paying attention to mess of a country they have made.
While the end of the trial was going on last week news quietly reported our national debt past 17 trillion.
Not many are talking about the cover up they did in Bengazi.
And anyone know what the current unemployment rate is, 10% ?
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Unrelated I know, but this sounds like a good (but scary) story, would love to hear what happened...

Ya know the old cheap phones that you used to hear if someone was dialing another phone in the house? Well the bedroom phone started to make dialing noise at 2 am so I went out to the office to see what's up. I heard steps running and then noticed the closet light on. I tapped on the closet door with the gun and told whoever it was to stay put. I then sat at my desk and called the police who came and took some guy, who I later found out was from Florida , away. I told the dispatcher I would be at the desk and armed so I wouldn't end up a victim :)
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And anyone know what the current unemployment rate is, 10% ?
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7.6%

Ya know the old cheap phones that you used to hear if someone was dialing another phone in the house? Well the bedroom phone started to make dialing noise at 2 am so I went out to the office to see what's up. I heard steps running and then noticed the closet light on. I tapped on the closet door with the gun and told whoever it was to stay put. I then sat at my desk and called the police who came and took some guy, who I later found out was from Florida , away. I told the dispatcher I would be at the desk and armed so I wouldn't end up a victim :)
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That's great! So this jerk decides to break into your house and make a phone call? yikes... sounds like it was handled well by you though..

7.6%

which is usually understated because it doesn't account for underemployed or those who have stopped looking (yeah I got an A- in Econ!)

My biggest gripe on the economy has always been home values, but those are actually doing much better, so I'm not as pissed at Obama anymore

You actually believe that number :-)
Bet you believe the national debt is only 17 trillion also.
I think a better gauge is how much is the public handout numbers up from last quarter ? Being welfare, Dissability, ect.....



7.6%
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Both had cell phones...one calls cops....the other elects to call his girlfriend....if one feels threatened why not call cops....if the other had called the cops may be alive today.

Both had cell phones...one calls cops....the other elects to call his girlfriend....if one feels threatened why not call cops....if the other had called the cops may be alive today.

Zimmermans call to the police will be one of the main factors in pursuing Fed charges. It proves his intent was to stop a potential crime, not kill a person.

Zimmermans call to the police will be one of the main factors in pursuing Fed charges. It proves his intent was to stop a potential crime, not kill a person.

The crime of walking down the street?

Was just listening to Howie Carr on my drive home.
He stated there was a reported 400+ calls about crimes or suspicion of some kind of crime to the police in that "Gated community" last year.
Anyone want to fact check this ???

The crime of walking down the street?

Come on Bry, there were break ins in the area. His head would have to be up his arse to not be suspicious of an unknown kid walking down the street. Around Christmas time we had some clowns in our neighborhood stealing packages, we have an email chain and all my neighbors were aware. Every single unknown car that was in the area was questioned and the whole neighborhood rallied, we caught the bastards. I guess we shouldnt have profiled suspicious cars?

Even Alan Dershowitz was quoted as saying the only person whose rights were violated was Zimmermans, Alan Dershowitz, Mr. AcLU attorney..
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You actually believe that number :-)
Bet you believe the national debt is only 17 trillion also.
I think a better gauge is how much is the public handout numbers up from last quarter ? Being welfare, Dissability, ect.....




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You asked for the number, I gave you the number....not my fault you don't like the number.
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The crime of walking down the street?

she's committing a crime just walking down the street..............
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all depends if he had a burglary tool on his person....
apparently not

or he would've used it as a weapon of self defense

Come on Bry, there were break ins in the area. His head would have to be up his arse to not be suspicious of an unknown kid walking down the street. Around Christmas time we had some clowns in our neighborhood stealing packages, we have an email chain and all my neighbors were aware. Every single unknown car that was in the area was questioned and the whole neighborhood rallied, we caught the bastards. I guess we shouldnt have profiled suspicious cars?

And if he wasn't calling the cops every 5 minutes for his left neighbor's dog pissing on the lawn of his right neighbor then maybe they would have taken him seriously and posted patrols.

you'd think: that all gated communities would have BUILT IN surveillance camera's
with signs posted..... to that effect

rather than have a single person making rounds....

so far the technology behind the surveillance camera's thus far has been piss pore ..........

And if he wasn't calling the cops every 5 minutes for his left neighbor's dog pissing on the lawn of his right neighbor then maybe they would have taken him seriously and posted patrols.

you would think the reported break ins in the neighborhood would have done that

you would think the reported break ins in the neighborhood would have done that

Given the nuisance he made himself, they probably did, found nothing, and stopped coming.

You can only cry wolf so many times before they tell you to pound sand.

Meanwhile since the verdict was announced over the weekend there were probably a dozen or more black on black killings throughout the country.
You won't see Obama, Jackson, Sharpton or any of the other extortion experts commenting on any of those killings.
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Zimmermans call to the police will be one of the main factors in pursuing Fed charges. It proves his intent was to stop a potential crime, not kill a person.

I don't think anyone believes Zimmerman set out to kill someone. Fed charges aren't likely. The prosecution really effed this one up. It sounds like they did nothing to present the story of a kid scared out of his wits.

I can't fathom how people don't see the impact of both race and Stand Your Ground in this case.

What happened after the shooting? Not much of anything, hell the police didn't even really bother to start the investigation until Zimmerman was arrested SIX WEEKS after the incident.

Huh? A 17 year old is shot and the police just assume it was in self defense? They do little to collect evidence or look for witnesses?

Just another black kid who must have been looking for trouble. Nothing to see here, everybody move along...

-spence

I don't think anyone believes Zimmerman set out to kill someone. Fed charges aren't likely. The prosecution really effed this one up. It sounds like they did nothing to present the story of a kid scared out of his wits.

I can't fathom how people don't see the impact of both race and Stand Your Ground in this case.

What happened after the shooting? Not much of anything, hell the police didn't even really bother to start the investigation until Zimmerman was arrested SIX WEEKS after the incident.

Huh? A 17 year old is shot and the police just assume it was in self defense? They do little to collect evidence or look for witnesses?

Just another black kid who must have been looking for trouble. Nothing to see here, everybody move along...

-spence

Where did you hear that the police did nothing for 6 weeks ? After Zimmerman was arrested ?? That doesn't even make sense . Then what was the basis of his arrest ?
I think what you meant to day is they were cautious and deliberate . Unlike .. Oh say the President
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There are no real winners in this case.

There are no real winners in this case.

Sure there are winners.
Jackson , Sharpton & other race dividers who use these cases to do nothing more that to promote their cause of extortion.
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There are no real winners in this case.

Yep, I agree

Stevie Wonder says he won't play in Florida anymore because of the verdict. Wow!!!! That hurts . I missed it, did he stop playing in California after OJ got off?
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Where did you hear that the police did nothing for 6 weeks ? After Zimmerman was arrested ?? That doesn't even make sense . Then what was the basis of his arrest ?
I think what you meant to day is they were cautious and deliberate . Unlike .. Oh say the President
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From what I understand the local PD didn't take it very seriously...that was one problem the prosecution had, there wasn't much evidence.

The basis for his arrest was when a new prosecutor charged him for 2nd degree murder six weeks later.

-spence

Stevie Wonder says he won't play in Florida anymore because of the verdict. Wow!!!! That hurts . I missed it, did he stop playing in California after OJ got off?
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Ahhhh...just fly him in and tell him its Georgia...he won't know :hee:

Huh? A 17 year old is shot and the police just assume it was in self defense? They do little to collect evidence or look for witnesses?

Just another black kid who must have been looking for trouble. Nothing to see here, everybody move along...

-spence

The cops saw the following
- a guy with a broken nose and lacerations to the head (FACT)
- that same guy minutes earlier had called the police about a suspicious person (FACT)
- witnesess saw an altercation (FACT)
- one dead person involved in the altercation. The other person instructed the neighbors to call the police
There were MANY interviews with witnesses. Include Martins mom who said - THATS NOT MY SON SCREAMING ON THE 911 call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so.....thats murder? No, thats a fight with self defense. BTW - the jury came to the same conclusion.
There is ZERO evidence martin was afraid. Spence - did he call his Dad who was nearby? Did he go to any of the houses? Did he run away and hide? Did he call Police...... NOPE - all evidence points to him confronting Zimmerman. Thats not fear, his response was to confront. I dont blame him (although i would have ran away). He started an altercation with an armed man. Both Zim and Martin made bad decisions. There is none, nada, no evidence Zimmerman broke the law.

can you take your head out of your arse?
Hahaha.

The cops saw the following
- a guy with a broken nose and lacerations to the head (FACT)
- that same guy minutes earlier had called the police about a suspicious person (FACT)
- witnesess saw an altercation (FACT)
- one dead person involved in the altercation. The other person instructed the neighbors to call the police

Dead 17 year old...Fact.

There were MANY interviews with witnesses. Include Martins mom who said - THATS NOT MY SON SCREAMING ON THE 911 call!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ummm, she testified to just the opposite. Funny thing is they allowed a defense witness to testify if was Zimmerman screaming...the woman's husband wrote a book proclaiming his innocence!

so.....thats murder?
No, but it's likely manslaughter.


No, thats a fight with self defense. BTW - the jury came to the same conclusion.
There is ZERO evidence martin was afraid.
That's not true, he clearly was alarmed by Zimmerman following him given the testimony from the case.

Spence - did he call his Dad who was nearby? Did he go to any of the houses? Did he run away and hide? Did he call Police...... NOPE - all evidence points to him confronting Zimmerman.

Call the police? Hi police, this is a young black man wearing a hoodie and I'm afraid. Click...

Zimmerman made the first move, he's the one who yelled at Martin challenging his right to be there. What happened after that you don't really know.

Thats not fear, his response was to confront. I dont blame him (although i would have ran away). He started an altercation with an armed man. Both Zim and Martin made bad decisions. There is none, nada, no evidence Zimmerman broke the law.
Sure there is, there's a dead 17 year old kid.

It's amazing how quick people are to disparage Martin's character, he smoked dope, he was found with "burglary tools" etc...like the kid deserved it. He was 17 for christs sake. I did a lot of stupid things at that age like we all did.

Great piece by Gene Robinson on this subject.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-black-boys-denied-the-right-to-be-young/2013/07/15/d3f603d8-ed69-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html

Black boys denied the right to be young

By Eugene Robinson, Published: July 15 E-mail the writer
Justice failed Trayvon Martin the night he was killed. We should be appalled and outraged, but perhaps not surprised, that it failed him again Saturday night, with a verdict setting his killer free.

Our society considers young black men to be dangerous, interchangeable, expendable, guilty until proven innocent. This is the conversation about race that we desperately need to have — but probably, as in the past, will try our best to avoid.

George Zimmerman’s acquittal was set in motion on Feb. 26, 2012, before Martin’s body was cold. When Sanford, Fla., police arrived on the scene, they encountered a grown man who acknowledged killing an unarmed 17-year-old boy. They did not arrest the man or test him for drug or alcohol use. They conducted a less-than-energetic search for forensic evidence. They hardly bothered to look for witnesses.

Only a national outcry forced authorities to investigate the killing seriously. Even after six weeks, evidence was found to justify arresting Zimmerman, charging him with second-degree murder and putting him on trial. But the chance of dispassionately and definitively establishing what happened that night was probably lost. The only complete narrative of what transpired was Zimmerman’s.

Jurors knew that Zimmerman was an overeager would-be cop, a self-appointed guardian of the neighborhood who carried a loaded gun. They were told that he profiled Martin — young, black, hooded sweatshirt — as a criminal. They heard that he stalked Martin despite the advice of a 911 operator; that the stalking led to a confrontation; and that, in the confrontation, Zimmerman fatally shot Martin in the chest.

The jurors also knew that Martin was carrying only a bag of candy and a soft drink. They knew that Martin was walking from a 7-Eleven to the home of his father’s girlfriend when he noticed a strange man in an SUV following him.

To me, and to many who watched the trial, the fact that Zimmerman recklessly initiated the tragic encounter was enough to establish, at a minimum, guilt of manslaughter. The six women on the jury disagreed.

Those jurors also knew that Martin, at the time of his death, was just three weeks past his 17th birthday. But black boys in this country are not allowed to be children. They are assumed to be men, and to be full of menace.

I don’t know if the jury, which included no African Americans, consciously or unconsciously bought into this racist way of thinking — there’s really no other word. But it hardly matters, because police and prosecutors initially did.

The assumption underlying their ho-hum approach to the case was that Zimmerman had the right to self-defense but Martin — young, male, black — did not. The assumption was that Zimmerman would fear for his life in a hand-to-hand struggle but Martin — young, male, black — would not.

If anyone wonders why African Americans feel so passionately about this case, it’s because we know that our 17-year-old sons are boys, not men. It’s because we know their adolescent bravura is just that — an imitation of manhood, not the real thing.

We know how frightened our sons would be, walking home alone on a rainy night and realizing they were being followed. We know how torn they would be between a child’s fear and a child’s immature idea of manly behavior. We know how they would struggle to decide the right course of action, flight or fight.

And we know that a skinny boy armed only with candy, no matter how big and bad he tries to seem, does not pose a mortal threat to a healthy adult man who outweighs him by 50 pounds and has had martial arts training (even if the lessons were mostly a waste of money). We know that the boy may well have threatened the man’s pride but likely not his life. How many murders-by-sidewalk have you heard of recently? Or ever?

The conversation we need to have is about how black men, even black boys, are denied the right to be young, to be vulnerable, to make mistakes. We need to talk about why, for example, black men are no more likely than white men to smoke marijuana but nearly four times as likely to be arrested for it — and condemned to a dead-end cycle of incarceration and unemployment. I call this racism. What do you call it?

Trayvon Martin was fighting more than George Zimmerman that night. He was up against prejudices as old as American history, and he never had a chance.
-spence

Spence... "After that we really don't know" = not guilty

That article is a total disservice to any black person that has made something of them selfs which is the majority . Pure crap !
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Spence... "After that we really don't know" = not guilty
That's not how the law works. The lack of evidence gave Zimmerman's lawyers the ability to tell any story they wanted...the just did a better job then the prosecution.

That article is a total disservice to any black person that has made something of them selfs which is the majority . Pure crap !
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Reread the second paragraph.
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That's not how the law works.


Reread the second paragraph.
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Of course it is the way the law works. Not proven guilty!

Since I don't agree or judge black people as the writer claims , I'm actually a little offended by this paragraph.
It is ironic however that you want Zimmerman guilty without sufficient evidence .
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Of course it is the way the law works. Not proven guilty!

Since I don't agree or judge black people as the writer claims , I'm actually a little offended by this paragraph.
It is ironic however that you want Zimmerman guilty without sufficient evidence .
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Had the prosecution done their job there was certainly evidence to support a manslaughter charge.
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Had the prosecution done their job there was certainly evidence to support a manslaughter charge.
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What evidence was that and would it have proved him guilty without a reasonable doubt?

What evidence was that and would it have proved him guilty without a reasonable doubt?

The evidence that the police failed to find because they hate black people. Especially teenage ones wearing hoodies.
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The evidence that the police failed to find because they hate black people. Especially teenage ones wearing hoodies.
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Perhaps read the entire article...then again.
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What evidence was that and would it have proved him guilty without a reasonable doubt?

The only evidence presented that he acted in self defense was that he wasn't winning the fight. To assume that alone means he was jumped is absurd, the prosecution simply dropped the ball.

How do they say, he who wins the war gets to write the history?
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The only evidence presented that he acted in self defense was that he wasn't winning the fight. To assume that alone means he was jumped is absurd, the prosecution simply dropped the ball.

How do they say, he who wins the war gets to write the history?
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is this a drunken rant? because you are making little if any sense :hs:

is this a drunken rant? because you are making little if any sense :hs:
Makes perfect sense. Think.
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Makes perfect sense. Think.
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being condescending doesn't help either...you throw up conjecture and suggest things might have gone differently if not for this or that...so wed to your narrative that the actual facts are irrelevant...just like the media and the hustlers....blinded by an overwhelming desire to make this something that it is not

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What evidence was that and would it have proved him guilty without a reasonable doubt?


The only evidence presented that he acted in self defense was that he wasn't winning the fight. To assume that alone means he was jumped is absurd, the prosecution simply dropped the ball.

How do they say, he who wins the war gets to write the history?
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you didn't answer the question

The only evidence presented that he acted in self defense was that he wasn't winning the fight. To assume that alone means he was jumped is absurd, the prosecution simply dropped the ball.

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It used to be that the prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty, not that the defendant had to prove that he is innocent.

There was not much actual "evidence" presented by either side other than circumstantial, and that favored the defendant. There was no actual "evidence" available for the prosecution to charge Zimmerman, much less convict him neither of second degree murder or manslaughter.

But we do live in a time of persuasion by opinion. Many opinions have been conjured up about what happened and why--with no connection to actual "evidence." Wild speculations abound about the character of either Zimmerman or Martin. And various scenarios have been created about what happened based on stereotypical characterizations and how these must have determined who did what and why. These opinions mostly depart from analysis by fact and wander into various historical grievances and emotional outrage at perceived injustice. The race industry and the anti-gun and anti-Stand-Your-Ground or other gun rights legislations certainly created another hot-point to attack what they "feel" are inimical to their progressive agenda. Actual facts and law are irrelevant to this case.

This is the method by which we are transformed from a constitutional republic to a centralized bureaucracy. Sacrificing the innocent for the greater good has always been the way of "benevolent" tyrannies.

It is not unlike how the SCOTUS has rewritten the Constitution.

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What evidence was that and would it have proved him guilty without a reasonable doubt?




you didn't answer the question

No you didn't Spence. The fact that the first thing the jury did before
they started deliberation was ask the judge for a copy of all the evidence
which they deliberated on for 16 hours, showed there was not enough evidence to
convict on either of the charges. While the prosecution was reported to hold
back evidence from the defense there is nothing to show the prosecution held
back any of their own evidence.
Oh and BTW, the male alternate juror was interviewed tonight and was in
complete agreement with the jury's decision and stated the prosecution had no evidence.

The person on top doesn't yell for help, he's winning, thats why.
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Up to a point.

That's not how the law works. The lack of evidence gave Zimmerman's lawyers the ability to tell any story they wanted...the just did a better job then the prosecution.

The prosecution had the judge on thier side and still couldn't win. Several prosecutors looked at the evidence over those six weeks until Zimmerman was charge and the prosecutor who charged Zimmerman was the only one that could be pressused into it.

Reread the second paragraph.
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You're free to go sir. Here's your firearm. <fin>
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Where is the outrage...demostrations of 18 year old April McDaniel and 19 year old Columbia student Kevin Ambrose being gunned downed in Chicago????.....where R the Al Sharpton's...the Jesse Jackson's of the world???? Where is the President speaking out of shootings in Chicago???.....apparently they see nothing wrong with black on black homicides... its a way of life.

Apparently George rescued a family from an overturned SUV. I heard on MSNBC he only stopped because the vehicle was white . Obama came out and said 35 years ago that could have been him driving
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Apparently they are still trying to figure out if George was under the SUV or not....

SUV was determined to be unarmed, with skittles in the glove compartment

Apparently George rescued a family from an overturned SUV. I heard on MSNBC he only stopped because the vehicle was white . Obama came out and said 35 years ago that could have been him driving
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LMAO at last sentence...:)

Pretty interesting !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls

Where is the outrage

Where is the President speaking out of shootings in Chicago???
.....apparently they see nothing wrong with black on black homicides... its a way of life.

The President will NOT speak about things he is financing.

Putting Blacks in Prison is too Lucrative a Business....
and Hillary said so as well.....