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FishermanTim
10-14-2013, 11:09 AM
A girl get a call/text from a friend that was at an underage drinking party, asking for a ride home.
The SOBER friend, offering to be a designated driver, goes to pick her up.
When she gets there, the police are there to break up the party.
The DD girl is now lumped in with the drinkers just for being there. She was proven sober by the attending police, but was still held accountable as if she had been drining with the rest.

Now the school steps in.
She was stripped of her team captain rank, suspended for 5 games all because she was going to help a friend.

What this tells me is that the school doesn't want to hear anytyhing. They developed some sort of assinine "ZERO TOLERANCE" policy that has no room for exceptions.
This girl is being punished for doing what an adult would have done.

I guess the school is more comfortable having to explain to the other girls parents (after the fact) how their daughter died from OD'ing on booze, drowned from walking into a marsh in a drunken stupor, or was murdered by a stranger that picked her up on the street, or maybe tried to drive herself home, causing a fatal accident.

Great way to applaud a student that was acting like an adult!
I'm sure that will weigh heavily upon other students that might feel inlcined to help when they might get in trouble. Maybe if a school board member needed emergency assistance, and a student refused because it would go against the school rules, maybe that would also be OK???

buckman
10-14-2013, 11:15 AM
Stupid policy over common sense . The policy makers are idiots. Love when the government plays parent.
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Nebe
10-14-2013, 12:01 PM
Nice guy always finishes last.
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spence
10-14-2013, 12:11 PM
Zero tolerance isn't ever going to be perfect, but I think schools have tried it the other way.

I'd be curious if she told her parents she was going and they could corroborate I'd think she would get off. Otherwise how can the cops trust her story?
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buckman
10-14-2013, 12:17 PM
Zero tolerance isn't ever going to be perfect, but I think schools have tried it the other way.

I'd be curious if she told her parents she was going and they could corroborate I'd think she would get off. Otherwise how can the cops trust her story?
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I'm sure this is an MIAA rule .. Stupid...
This girl might have saved some bodies life through her selfless act .
Ill say this Spence... You're consistent ;)
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FishermanTim
10-14-2013, 02:38 PM
NORTH ANDOVER, Mass. (MyFoxBoston.com) A 17-year-old North Andover High School student was stripped of her captain's position on the volleyball team and suspended for five games after she went to a party to pick up an intoxicated friend, reports The Boston Herald.

Erin Cox received a call from a friend, who was allegedly intoxicated, and asked her to pick her up from a party on Main Street in Boxford. Being a good friend, Erin went to pick her up, but instead met police just as they arrived at the house, the newspaper reports.

Authorities arrested a dozen underage drinkers and warned another 15 underage youth, including Erin Cox, that they would be summoned to court for drinking.

An officer at the scene vouched for Erin Cox's sobriety, but she was still summoned to court, stripped of her captain's position, and suspended.

Geoffrey Bok, the school's attorney, told the newspaper the school is trying to take a stand against teen drinking, which is a "serious problem."

Eleanor Cox, Erin's mother, has hired an attorney is and looking to fight the school's decision.


The cops CONFIRMED her sobriety.


It appears that the school would rather let the drinker pay whatever price heer actions would cost, be it arrest or death, than let a good samaritan help out a friend in need. The school and all those that make up the blanket rules must be held accountable for THEIR action instead!

spence
10-14-2013, 02:45 PM
The cops confirming her sobriety isn't the point. She likely wasn't supposed to be at the party to begin with, hence my remark about her parents.

I don't doubt her story, and if it holds up she may do well on appeal.
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Slipknot
10-14-2013, 02:52 PM
She "got " there when the cops were already at the address, that does NOT put her "at" the party, it puts her at the address, to pick up her friend and do the right thing.

:smash::smash: :wall:

unreal

spence
10-14-2013, 04:20 PM
She "got " there when the cops were already at the address, that does NOT put her "at" the party, it puts her at the address, to pick up her friend and do the right thing.

:smash::smash: :wall:

unreal
No, the story says she was there before the police arrived. They might not have thought she was drinking but they have no evidence she wasnt at the party, which by the book has a penalty.

I agree it's silly but the entire point of zero tolerance is to have very tight rules otherwise they'll quickly get abused. I do think given the evidence she should be given an appeal that she may win.

It's also a call for the school to make a provision for these situations.
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Slipknot
10-14-2013, 09:19 PM
"Being a good friend, Erin went to pick her up, but instead met police just as they arrived at the house, the newspaper reports. "


NO, the article says they arrived at the same time, NOT that she was there before


"which by the book is a penalty" ??? huh?

she will appeal it I'm sure

you must be tired


I understand the zero tolerance,

I also understand the overzealousness, like the college student from Easton who was shot dead by police in PA while picking up a friend, remember that?

Nebe
10-14-2013, 10:44 PM
If you don't let your kids think for them selves when they are young, they will most likely self destruct when they are shipped off to college. I witnessed this many times.
It's a shame she got thrown under the bus.
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buckman
10-15-2013, 05:25 AM
Zero tolerance is the liberal way of making everybody guilty for the actions of a few.
You know you get suspended for a pop tart gun!
It's is easier for them ,they don't have to make a decision based on common sense,.
It's the cowardly way out
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buckman
10-15-2013, 08:18 AM
Funny we haven't heard squat about the parents who's house the party was held at. They should be liable .
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Sea Dangles
10-15-2013, 09:00 AM
Buckman,did you have a childhood? My 16 year old son has carried on the tradition. Parents go away and a party ensues at that location. If said gathering becomes unruly the blue lights show up. Would you hold the parents liable for the loss of captaincy? What exactly do you think they are liable for? Please don't misunderstand this as any support if the parents allowed underage drinking which I think is a bad idea.

buckman
10-15-2013, 09:18 AM
Buckman,did you have a childhood? My 16 year old son has carried on the tradition. Parents go away and a party ensues at that location. If said gathering becomes unruly the blue lights show up. Would you hold the parents liable for the loss of captaincy? What exactly do you think they are liable for? Please don't misunderstand this as any support if the parents allowed underage drinking which I think is a bad idea.

Let me tell you something friend , if I had a party my house when my folks were away,and got caught , the cops would be the least of my problems. Now that being said ,I have raised 2 teens and I was a ball buster about them having friends over and drinking . I tossed more then a few out .
Have a kid die after partying at your house in your absence and see what the law brings you.
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spence
10-15-2013, 09:19 AM
NO, the article says they arrived at the same time, NOT that she was there before

Watch the video. Her own lawyer says she was at the party looking for her friend when the cops arrived.

Looks like they just split the kids into drunk and not so drunk.
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Raider Ronnie
10-15-2013, 10:06 AM
Zero tolerance isn't ever going to be perfect, but I think schools have tried it the other way.







I'd be curious if she told her parents she was going and they could corroborate I'd think she would get off. Otherwise how can the cops trust her story?
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Always the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing liberal apologist !
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Sea Dangles
10-15-2013, 12:13 PM
Let me tell you something friend , if I had a party my house when my folks were away,and got caught , the cops would be the least of my problems. Now that being said ,I have raised 2 teens and I was a ball buster about them having friends over and drinking . I tossed more then a few out .
Have a kid die after partying at your house in your absence and see what the law brings you.
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So did you answer the question Spence, what are they liable for?
Also, did you understand the part where I said I think it is a bad idea? I don't however, parent in fear. My wife and I go out of town on occasion and actually trust our children to make good decisions.There have been bumps and I am certain there are more to come,in these instances parenting becomes a verb.

spence
10-15-2013, 12:36 PM
So did you answer the question Spence, what are they liable for?
Also, did you understand the part where I said I think it is a bad idea?

Was that question directed at me?
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buckman
10-15-2013, 12:53 PM
Was that question directed at me?
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I think me , but you and I are so much alike this kind of confusion was bound to happen .
Liability?....for just drinking, $500 fine and a misdemeanor
If it results in bodily injury , a class 4 felony.
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spence
10-15-2013, 12:57 PM
I think me , but you and I are so much alike this kind of confusion was bound to happen .
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So are you going to answer it?
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Sea Dangles
10-15-2013, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE=buckman;1017655]I think me , but you and I are so much alike this kind of confusion was bound to happen .
Liability?....for just drinking, $500 fine and a misdemeanor
If it results in bodily injury , a class 4 felony.
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So you think the parents are liable for the loss of captaincy? OK pal, good luck with that cause. It is just this type of citizen that will disable the country. Good Luck with your pound of flesh. BTW, who got injured here, or is your entire argument based on conjecture?
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spence
10-15-2013, 01:15 PM
Unless it can be shown the parents were complicit in the party or provided booze I'm not sure you'd have much of a case. Throw in a dozen portable beds and some paid talent and you have a hit movie.
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buckman
10-15-2013, 01:25 PM
[QUOTE=buckman;1017655]I think me , but you and I are so much alike this kind of confusion was bound to happen .
Liability?....for just drinking, $500 fine and a misdemeanor
If it results in bodily injury , a class 4 felony.
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So you think the parents are liable for the loss of captaincy? OK pal, good luck with that cause. It is just this type of citizen that will disable the country. Good Luck with your pound of flesh. BTW, who got injured here, or is your entire argument based on conjecture?
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I think we are on the same side here as far as the girl goes .
I just feel the nieve or irresponsible parents who's house the drinking took place should be held accountable.
I would argue that they are lucky the only injuries occurred weren't bodily.
Ask the parents of that poor girl in Norfolk who stumbled away to die a number of years back, about there liability .
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OLD GOAT
10-15-2013, 01:55 PM
This is sad.
If the principal has no balls then the volleyball team should have been sick for five games.

Sometimes you have to walk around --stumps.

Sea Dangles
10-15-2013, 02:06 PM
How would you hold them accountable and from what perspective?
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buckman
10-15-2013, 02:23 PM
How would you hold them accountable and from what perspective?
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That's the odd part. We haven't heard their roll in this so I guess we are all forming hypotheticals .

If they supplied the booze. . Childhood endangerment at a minimum
If they were home and knew there were underaged kids drinking I would fine them and make them stand beside the kids in the police station and get the same treatment they did .
If they weren't home ... Not sure but they are lucky no one got hurt because I'm sure some lawyer would be suing
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FishermanTim
10-15-2013, 03:54 PM
The parents would be held responsible, regardless of whether they were there or not because it if THEIR HOUSE.

The owner of a club doesn't have to actually be there to bear the responsibilty of an incident at the club.

The story, unfortunately, focuses soley on the girl and not why there were so many underage drinkers there. That should be more of a concern!

Pete F.
10-15-2013, 04:24 PM
I am glad my kids are almost grown up, 3 out of 5 are over 21. They all drank before they were 21, one way or another. Making a law does not eliminate problems or stupid decisions, kids still do stuff they are not supposed to do. It does make sure that no matter what, I would not allow kids to drink at my house, therefore I am sure that they will do it and there is no possibility that any reasonable adult would supervise them. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Here is a life lesson one friend of mine's kid learned. He went to a party at a hunting camp up in the hills(This is VT) A girl went to go to the outhouse in the woods and fell off a cliff. He went to help her, others called the ambulance and split, he stayed with her and waited for the ambulance. As a reward he was cited for underage drinking, paid for counseling, etc. What do you think he learned from that?

Sea Dangles
10-15-2013, 09:12 PM
That was my problem with Buckman's stance from the get go. Sometimes crap happens that results in innocent victims. He wanted the parents held liable without a clue as to the circumstances. Then they became naive and irresponsible; still no clue about the parents!(gut feeling)? IMO this could happen to ANY parents one time,after that,shame on you.I have faith in the majority of the youth I see and this girl just reinforced it. I see designated drivers and a heck of a lot more responsibility shown than in my generation.
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buckman
10-16-2013, 06:22 AM
That was my problem with Buckman's stance from the get go. Sometimes crap happens that results in innocent victims. He wanted the parents held liable without a clue as to the circumstances. Then they became naive and irresponsible; still no clue about the parents!(gut feeling)? IMO this could happen to ANY parents one time,after that,shame on you.I have faith in the majority of the youth I see and this girl just reinforced it. I see designated drivers and a heck of a lot more responsibility shown than in my generation.
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I mostly agree with you but didn't you at least find it odd that the parents or house where this party took place failed to get a mention in any of the stories?
I too believe kids are much smarter when it comes to booze then we were , however as a parent and a former teen, Im not complacent .
Some thing you can't controll but a large, underage drinking party at your home isn't one of them
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FishermanTim
10-16-2013, 10:48 AM
Maybe the family whose house sponsored the party was a prominent family in town, kind of like the Kennedy's, so that they can do no wrong because of "who they are".
That would definitely add fuel to the fire!

Somebody needs to be held accountable for afew things:

Whose house it was?
Who threw the party?
Who bouight/brought the booze?

After they address these issues they can think about why they should be bothering with a designated driver who was there to pick up a friend.

On a side note, they had a statement from the scholl superintendent, and he was about as clear on the event and rules as a glass of mud!

Stating rules about drinking, posessing booze or transporting booze when the victim did none of these is idiotic. When you haven't heard a peep from MIAA regarding this issue, and cannot get a direct answer from the school superintendent or principal about what rules they are citing, it makes you truly believe that these a$$clowns have no clue about what is going on! :smash::smash:

Jackbass
10-22-2013, 08:58 AM
It's now coming out Erin Cox is full of #^&#^&#^&#^&. She was in fact drinking at the party according to multiple people
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spence
10-22-2013, 09:15 AM
It's now coming out Erin Cox is full of #^&#^&#^&#^&. She was in fact drinking at the party according to multiple people
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Where did you hear this?
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Jackbass
10-22-2013, 09:43 AM
Breaking Weei reported the source this morning. She is being charged with minor in possession of alcohol. Valley sun maybe something to that affect. I will look for the source when I sit in front of a computer.
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RIROCKHOUND
10-22-2013, 09:47 AM
Breaking Weei reported the source this morning. She is being charged with minor in possession of alcohol. Valley sun maybe something to that affect. I will look for the source when I sit in front of a computer.
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http://valleypatriot.com/breaking-erin-cox-in-lawrence-district-court-for-possession-of-alcohol-family-giving-donations-back/

Jackbass
10-22-2013, 09:54 AM
That is the link i was getting ready to post

Obviously this evidence is all un proven but. What an a hole if its true. Legal defense fund started. Take your medicine and live with the consequences.

spence
10-22-2013, 10:14 AM
Classic. Look at the rush to her side to champion responsibility over the liberal nanny state...at the expense of the local police who were actually on the scene.
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Jackbass
10-22-2013, 10:41 AM
We won't know anything for a while on the truths of the matter. She obviously will be pleading not guilty.

I am kind if asking myself why do I give a #^&#^&#^&#^& other than there was always that kid who never did anything wrong and never got in trouble for anything. I don't know. Maybe she is an angel and the Valley Patriot is reporting based on comments from some jerks that are trying to set her up.

To me where there is smoke there is fire.

Someone will get the case file.
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buckman
10-22-2013, 10:52 AM
Classic. Look at the rush to her side to champion responsibility over the liberal nanny state...at the expense of the local police who were actually on the scene.
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Spoken like a true big government guy . If the local police departments didn't have a track record of backpedaling and coverups there would be no rush to her side .
I still believe her story
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Jackbass
10-22-2013, 10:56 AM
A police officer went on record for her with the school.

I certainly hope there is not video of her puking in a trash can for his sake and hers. The whole thing smells bad.
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The Dad Fisherman
10-22-2013, 02:09 PM
My daughter had heard from a couple of girls that went to school with her that she had few cocktails as well

The Dad Fisherman
11-20-2013, 02:03 PM
Not a lot of press on the fact that she pleaded guilty and confessed to drinking......

http://valleypatriot.com/erin-cox-confesses-to-drinking-at-underage-party-that-gained-national-attention-the-history-of-a-bogus-media-story-that-never-happened/

FishermanTim
11-20-2013, 05:05 PM
With that kind of lying and deceit she would make a great Democrat for this state.

PRBuzz
11-20-2013, 05:41 PM
There goes her future at doing anything! Can't wait to see if she gets into college.
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Raven
11-20-2013, 06:42 PM
There goes her future at doing anything! Can't wait to see if she gets into college.
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that is PRECISELY what is WRONG with today's society.....
that a person's worth is Measured by what degree's they've earned rather than their intellect
and imagination...and how they make use of it.
Those degree's do not speak about a persons work ethic or commitment while on the job
or their particular ability to focus on the job at hand. Those attributes must still be proven in the field
yet the degree is what grants you an interview. Imagination and
the clarity of Visualization is totally undervalued imho.

Nebe
11-20-2013, 06:43 PM
What an idiot.
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Sea Dangles
11-21-2013, 08:14 AM
that is PRECISELY what is WRONG with today's society.....
that a person's worth is Measured by what degree's they've earned rather than their intellect
and imagination...and how they make use of it.
Those degree's do not speak about a persons work ethic or commitment while on the job
or their particular ability to focus on the job at hand. Those attributes must still be proven in the field
yet the degree is what grants you an interview. Imagination and
the clarity of Visualization is totally undervalued imho.

One thing that can never be taken away is your education,regardless of where you end up in life.Hard work pays dividends but certainly a well educated person gets a head start in the field of your choice.
She will do fine is my guess,the fact she was captain proves she is a leader.The fact she denied drinking proves she is a child,and a normal one at that.

Nebe
11-21-2013, 08:27 AM
^ what a crock.

She lied. Therefore she should be held accountable.
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Sea Dangles
11-21-2013, 09:43 AM
I agree
I just think that is considered typical behavior for the age. How many among us have not denied doing something wrong when we are well aware of the truth.?

Nebe
11-21-2013, 11:58 AM
I agree
I just think that is considered typical behavior for the age. How many among us have not denied doing something wrong when we are well aware of the truth.?

We all have.. BUT.. she made her bed..now she shall sleep in it. Our society today coddles the young and treats them do delicately which in turn teaches our kids to have that entitlement thing going on with them which i can't stand..

accountability is a thing of the past with kids.

The Dad Fisherman
11-21-2013, 12:11 PM
by the time she graduates college...no one will remember what she did.

FishermanTim
11-21-2013, 12:43 PM
Unless she gets involved with a college drinking/hazing/sports rioting event an then she will have another 15 minutes of infamy!!!

Slipknot
11-21-2013, 07:52 PM
accountability is a thing of the past with kids.

also with politicians:smash:

Unless she gets involved with a college drinking/hazing/sports rioting event an then she will have another 15 minutes of infamy!!!

also unless she goes into politics




how about the 18 y.o. in Middleboro who is lying about a hit and run where he killed a father on a bicycle and says he was in NH and hit a deer. Lawyerd up and deny deny deny:smash:

likwid
11-23-2013, 07:50 AM
Not a lot of press on the fact that she pleaded guilty and confessed to drinking......

http://valleypatriot.com/erin-cox-confesses-to-drinking-at-underage-party-that-gained-national-attention-the-history-of-a-bogus-media-story-that-never-happened/

And I'll bet there's a nice sweetheart inside deal for pleading guilty.

Graduate high school, work for a year and hit the community college, turn 18, record expunged, apply to real schools, basically never happened.

The Dad Fisherman
11-25-2013, 09:21 AM
Graduate high school, work for a year and hit the community college, turn 18, record expunged, apply to real schools, basically never happened.

As it should be...all she really did was get caught under age drinking.....pretty sure she's not the first. Kids make mistakes....happens to all of them.

likwid
11-29-2013, 07:49 AM
As it should be...all she really did was get caught under age drinking.....pretty sure she's not the first. Kids make mistakes....happens to all of them.

Well clearly some here would beat the crap out of her then make her split wood for 2 months along with their cellphone being taken away and solitary confinement in her room.

Cuz yanno, they were perfect and shat daisies when they were kids. :rotf2: