necessary ><>,.:fishin::smash:

There are days at the canal where 50 recreational anglers do way more damage than that.

Think of the eggs in those fish.

5 more years. That's my estimate. And I called this about 5 years ago. I'm no scientist but I am highly observant.
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less than 5 years EB

But no worries AMFC said they are not being overfished & they see no need for changes at this time :smash:

The other site has details. In two days last week that boat came home with almost 300 fish in 6 trips.

That picture makes me :yak5:

The other site has details. In two days last week that boat came home with almost 300 fish in 6 trips.

and thats just one boat.....

headboats off the SouthShore (LI) have a big body of medium/large bass not far off the beach right now- they are slaughtering them daily....

and are in full compliance with the regs the whole time



something needs to change

and are in full compliance with the regs the whole time

What's with the fish tags then?
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What's with the fish tags then?
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That probably is to show to any LEO who stops a fare before he or she gets home. NY has different size/bag limits for party boat fares. Most recs can only keep one bass between 28" and 40", and one 40"+. Head boat fares can keep two of any size ove 28". They have to show a dated receipt if they're questioned about why they have two over 40. The tags are probably what the boat gives them as proof.
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I know some don't like seeing pics like that be really.......what is the problem.

A bunch of guys went on a party boat and kept the 2 bass they could keep.

I kept a couple big bass over 40" last thursday but yesterday caught 20 bass between 26-38" and let the ALL go. Guess I'm a bad guy.

Let me ask this.....Why would this not be an outrage with most of you if this was a deck full of cod, flounder, tog, haddock, fluke, pollack.

When togfest happens and there are pics of a deck of fish when everyone keeps there 3 keepas will there be outrage........don't think so.

Allot of guys want gamefish status. What does that mean??? Can recreational fish be kept with a gamefish status thus seeing the same thing but no comm sale?

I don't know what the answer is but the way allot of people act when seeing pics like this they want to blame somebody else. Maybe the only answer is to stop fishing, targeting, keeping bass for everyone. Maybe then people will be happy. i won't be happy though:confused:

The problem is that it is unsustainable.
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I know some don't like seeing pics like that be really.......what is the problem.

A bunch of guys went on a party boat and kept the 2 bass they could keep.

I kept a couple big bass over 40" last thursday but yesterday caught 20 bass between 26-38" and let the ALL go. Guess I'm a bad guy.

Let me ask this.....Why would this not be an outrage with most of you if this was a deck full of cod, flounder, tog, haddock, fluke, pollack.

When togfest happens and there are pics of a deck of fish when everyone keeps there 3 keepas will there be outrage........don't think so.

Allot of guys want gamefish status. What does that mean??? Can recreational fish be kept with a gamefish status thus seeing the same thing but no comm sale?

I don't know what the answer is but the way allot of people act when seeing pics like this they want to blame somebody else. Maybe the only answer is to stop fishing, targeting, keeping bass for everyone. Maybe then people will be happy. i won't be happy though:confused:

AMEN! Quit your bitching here! Or take the days out of work ( if you work) to make a difference at the hearings (which nobody does) stop bitching on the boards and take it up with the people who make the laws! Get it? Crying and putting your 2 cents in here does nothing at all.
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the problem (IMHO) is that the regs suck.... for both rec and comm fishermen. I realize what is shown in the pic is perfectly lawful. But the thousands of rec guysall along the coast should only be taking one fish daily..... and the comm take should be less too. managing for MSY is trying to keep a fishery alive with the least amount of fish possible- its doomed to fail

it just makes it WORSE that the numbers of fish are declining while this "bonanza" is going on.

5 more years. That's my estimate. And I called this about 5 years ago. I'm no scientist but I am highly observant.
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I'll be 71 and fishing in FL. I won't care anymore. Hell, no one cares now. I'm done preaching.

The problem is that it is unsustainable.
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yup

I am glad you are outraged. According to the DMF in MA, there are plenty of fish. Years ago we had too many SB, that is why there were more around back then. These people, some who are very educated, can not manage anything. Remember they were in charge of managing SB and codfish while it went to disaster level. They have not saved a damn thing. A forced moratorium is not a form a management. This could have been done without them!!!

IMO The only way to protect the fishery is to protect as a gamefish and allow 1 @ 36 for a rec, and at the same time make significant strides in improving baitfish populations. It has worked before and will work again. It is simple and will bring back big fish for the masses to catch while growing the biomass while protecting the real economic value to the fishing society.

As for attending meetings to make change...Forgetaboutit. You can go and voice your thoughts but there is no way you will make change their minds. Public hearings are a joke. In the end they (the board behind closed doors) read what the scientists and pubic say but then decide to do something that is not connected to either unless they are forced to. Gamefish is the only solution with very a simple rec take. If you want SB for restaurants...go grow them.

I know the canal has it's issues. IMO there should be no fishing in the canal. It is like fishing in a fish ladder. It is a man made passage way. However the public access is so easy that anyone can easily go down there and catch fish. I know that will not happen (closing the canal to fishing) so the only other way is to limit the take to one @ 36. If you want to regulate it further, eliminate rec fishing for bass all together. This might be a good start. Canada does it for tuna and they have more fish than you can shake a stick at. In fact you can not even do C&R in canada for more than one fish per day. C&R kills fish too. After your one fish you can only feed them. I think that is excessive but we could shut bass fishing down all together for a decade and then slowly open it up, with one or two fish per season. (I took one bass 38" home this season, no one needs one per day.) The MSY theory does not work, esp when every "user group" thinks they own a chunk of it, it is only an academic theory, it can not be implemented the way our government allocates the fish to different so called user groups .

You ask ten rec guys what they think the solution is you will get ten different answers. If anything is going to change or get better people will need to work together. Comm, rec, managers.

The attitude of how the fish is valuable to the fishery has to change, how and why they are managed and where the largest threats occur. Pictures like this are polarizing to one issue. You see this stuff come up every year and it draws similar reactions every year. It took a public health issue (PCB's) to really shut down the take. It won't be shut down because people are catching. Not with a plan based on MSY.
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I'll be 71 and fishing in FL. I won't care anymore. Hell, no one cares now. I'm done preaching.

Lol. Plenty of fish in FL
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"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". It could/will be worse this time around. I can see myself building musky and LMB pluggage someday.

Lol. Plenty of fish in FL
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You know they (FL Fish and Game) did it right. Made Snook a gamefish and they came back with a vengeance. Tarpon in the Boca Grande pass, redfish.

Hell I have been worrying about the Striper stocks for 40+ years. I went to all the stock assessment meeting in the winter for many years and I just don't have the energy to fight the battles anymore.

Jim White gave up, Steve McKenna, Dave Pickering, Clammer, DZ all the guys who for so long have advocated for the stocks are tired of "pushing the refrigerator up hill alone".

I don't know what it will take for the management folks to see the error of their ways but I know, by the time they do, it will be too late.

Jim White gave up, Steve McKenna, Dave Pickering, Clammer, DZ all the guys who for so long have advocated for the stocks are tired of "pushing the refrigerator up hill alone".



Laughing my ass off at that statement and I will leave it it at that.. But you know why.
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I'll be 71 and fishing in FL. I won't care anymore. Hell, no one cares now. I'm done preaching.

Those of us who were around 35 years ago remember what the warning signs were then, and see the same things today. No one listened then, and no one listens now. One good spawning year every 5-6 years isn't going to keep the lights on for long.

MIKE P ....why bother .......... beatin a dead horse just like were all beaten a dead striper :fishin:

Any chance these are EEZ fish to boot?

necessary ><>,.:fishin::smash:

Mike where was that pic taken?
Beyond gluttony. :(

I pulled it off facebook .I think MT

Any chance these are EEZ fish to boot?

a very, very, very high chance

http://www.reel-time.com/articles/conservation/continue-road/

good article

if these fish are from the EEZ I'm gonna puke...

If it was 70/80ft off of fire island, it probably is.. I did some work down there in the mid 2000's, and if I recall, 60ft was just under 3 miles from the beach. Don't have a chart handy to confirm.

Sick, especially when you consider the volume of head boats leaving from Captree Island

Seems the coast guard would have the ability to easily monitor this location and revoke head boat licenses. They do it for tuna.

MIKE P ....why bother .......... beatin a dead horse just like were all beaten a dead striper :fishin:

3 years ago, talk of a 40% or something mortality reduction. Then, there's an awesome YOY index, and everything's all roses and champagne again.

Fast forward to the very next YOY. 0.9. All time low, worse than any year in the early 80s. I once thought, "gee, the SB recovery is the one success story, out of dozens, of their fishery management history. They'll do everything they can to avoid #^&#^&#^&#^&ing it up." Just call me naive.

I was codfishing 20nm east of Chatham yesterday. Wanna talk dead wasted bass. Saw plenty of nice bass bycatch floaters from the draggers working in 275ft of water. No one likes seeing that and is 100 times "wrong" than a party boat issue.

I was codfishing 20nm east of Chatham yesterday. Wanna talk dead wasted bass. Saw plenty of nice bass bycatch floaters from the draggers working in 275ft of water. No one likes seeing that and is 100 times "wrong" than a party boat issue.

I agree. There should be no such thing as edible by-catch. IMO any edible catch (by-catch or otherwise) should go to market and come off the comm quota. I know that R&R comm bass guys will cry because the by catch will take all their quota but put it in the hand of the comm fisherman and let them duke it out.

How is it we can dump them dead? Who OK's this activity?

Who OK's this activity?

The current rules force the fishermen to dump them over the side.

Pretty Fn stupid to toss anything edible over the rail.
Dead is dead.
But then it's government involvement, I'd be surprised if they can pee without getting it all over themselves.
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I'll be 71 and fishing in FL. I won't care anymore. Hell, no one cares now. I'm done preaching.

NOAA is and has been endorsing strict regs in Florida too...I love Marathon...:)

I love that picture! I hope the party boats suck the last fish out of the ocean!

This years fall run from the shore in Gloucester and most of cape ann, using lures (99% top water) was a 100% bust! and its was not just me. Guys you know and guides you know that catch (and release) 20-30+ 40" fish and 100's of smaller fish from Sep-1 to now got lets say? 30 fish? avg size 12"-30" TOTAL COLLAPSE!

so party boat on! because nothing will be done till the NY fishermen sees the same numbers. as for the canal fishermen? they are right up there with party boaters! its like the killing fields down there some days and once those fish are gone your going to have to learn how to fish in the ocean.

next year in MA for commercial fishermen; TAGS! AND THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES LIKE THE TUNA FISHERMEN!

I was codfishing 20nm east of Chatham yesterday. Wanna talk dead wasted bass. Saw plenty of nice bass bycatch floaters from the draggers working in 275ft of water. No one likes seeing that and is 100 times "wrong" than a party boat issue.

please tell me you took a picture of the dead fish.....


we NEED stuff like that so everyone can see for themselves the WASTE that goes on out there

Guys on LI tell me that it was within state waters. as you can see 60 foot depths are within state water.

NOAA is and has been endorsing strict regs in Florida too...I love Marathon...:)

Florida got it right 30 years ago when they made Snook a game fish. Closed down the commercial season and made it, predominately, a catch and release fishery. Now it's a world class fishery.

please tell me you took a picture of the dead fish.....


we NEED stuff like that so everyone can see for themselves the WASTE that goes on out there

No Bobber, no pics taken. Videos of the same thing have been posted in the past. It is an already well known problem.

Couldn't agree more. I gave up the canal this year... well I went twice and I regret it. I just end up just getting pissed off and disgusted at the whole scene down there. Place is the ghetto of the striper world. F that place.




so party boat on! because nothing will be done till the NY fishermen sees the same numbers. as for the canal fishermen? they are right up there with party boaters! its like the killing fields down there some days and once those fish are gone your going to have to learn how to fish in the ocean.