Got a call today.
No emails confirming but word I got today season will start a bit earlier, mid-late june.
Only 2 days fishing each week, tuesday & thursday.
15 fish daily limit.

15 for the boat permits, 2 a day for the rod & reel permits.

Open Days will be Monday & Thursday....

Any size change?
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Any size change?
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None

Interesting, that will make it tougher for the 9 - 5er who wants to take consecutive days off to commercial fish. I'll bet they lowered the cost of the permit to make up for the lost days :)
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I'm a catch and release guy, never thought about commercial, so in all earnestness, I have no idea what the regs were before. Can someone fill me in what was allowed last year? Thanks

30 fish on tues,wed,thu and 5 fish on sun
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June 23rd opens.
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Someone I know who fished comm last year told me that license apps had to be in by Feb25th this year. He said that the site shows march 1 but on the reporting form in fine print it said by Feb15th.

Anyone else see this?

Kill them all guys so I can get a decent nights sleep between May and November. My wife thanks you.

This is welcome news for folks like me who could not cast a line from shore without plunking a commercial boat 4 days a week.

Now I can just avoid those spots on Tuesdays/Thursdays! :uhuh:

I thought the deadline for permits was march 15th? No?
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I thought the deadline for permits was march 15th? No?
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Not sure of the actual date he mentioned but there seemed to be a sneaky trick in the fine print.

I think the fine print might have been for next year. I think the thought was next year the deadline would be in February.
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Now I'm thoroughly confused
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I heard it came and went?

Now I'm thoroughly confused
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MArch 15

30 fish on tues,wed,thu and 5 fish on sun
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So if that was the case, then this is a drop from a max harvest of 95 fish a week to 30 fish a week?

How much earlier will the season start than in the past?

Just trying to figure out if this is net decrease in the Mass comm harvest....

Season usually starts around the end of the first week of July, so it's opening slightly earlier. Don't know what/if the quota was reduced to. And that is what I thought guppy
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Here is something I found online.

Addendum III to the Atlantic Striped Bass Interstate Management Plan was initiated in response to a multi-year, multi-jurisdictional investigation within Chesapeake Bay. This investigation resulted in $1.6 million in fines levied against 19 individuals and three corporations for more than one million pounds of illegal striped bass harvested. Some of the defendants in this case were also sent to prison. The investigation revealed that some of the control measures in place for regulating harvest were ineffective or inadequately designed to maximize compliance. The investigation also found that greater accountability of wholesalers would be difficult without uniform tags and tagging requirements. This addendum requires the Commonwealth to design and implement a conforming tagging program 60 days prior to the start of the 2014 commercial striped bass fishery. Although tagging by fishermen at point-of-harvest (POH) is generally considered the best compliance and enforcement measure and POH programs are currently being conducted by a majority of jurisdictions, the addendum allows us a choice between POH and point-of-sale (POS). Tagging Recommendations My recommendation is to implement a POS tagging program for the 2014 commercial striped bass season and to assess the program’s effectiveness with respect to agency administration, industry compliance, adaptability and practicality, enforcement, and the program’s overall ability to meet the goals of the interstate plan. Evaluation of the 2014 POS tagging program’s performance will be provided to the Marine Fisheries Advisory Commission in writing (in early 2015) as a discussion item and point of consideration for making future program improvements. Through the public comment process, both dealer representatives and fishermen voiced concern about requiring tags to be affixed to fish by buyers on their immediate receipt of the fish from commercial fishermen. They said (dealer) trucks often park near boat ramps to receive the striped bass harvest and that a new requirement for truckers to tag fish on receipt would cause time delays and thereby worsen congestion at the ramps. Some dealers recommended that we reconsider a POH program, while other dealers and a number of fishermen urged us to allow tagging to be done back at the dealer’s company location. I’m not comfortable lessening the effectiveness of a tagging program by allowing fish to travel untagged for great distances, even though the unlawful activity that occurred in the Chesapeake region leading to adoption of Addendum III involved illicit use of tags, not the trafficking of “uncounted” striped bass. Affixing tags sooner rather than later makes the most sense to achieve the multifaceted tagging goals which are to prevent unmarked fish and unaccounted for tags to leave the state, to hedge potential of “back-door” sales (in state), and to provide an effective enforcement tool to Office of Law Enforcement personnel. For these reasons, I recommend we require all striped bass to be tagged at the location where the buyer (or agent for the buyer) takes possession of the fish, and prior to transiting from one location to another. Thereby, no striped bass in possession of a dealer (or agent for a dealer) shall be untagged while in transit. As an example, if a buyer’s truck is accepting fish in a parking lot or other remote meeting place, all striped bass in their possession must be tagged before they drive away from that location. Our post-season evaluation report will include a specific summary of effectiveness (and practicality) of this part of the program. The finer details associated with this POS tagging program include the number and type of tags to be issued, information embossed on the tags, the longevity of the tags with regard to how long they remain with the fish, and dealer reporting requirements. Each detail is addressed below in summary: Tags will be lockable, single-use, tamper-evident, non-transferable, and embossed with the species, year of issue, a unique identification number traceable to the dealer issued the tags, and the minimum size limit. The Division of Marine Fisheries (MarineFisheries) will make available – prior to the start of the season and at no charge – tags to qualifying primary buyers at a number that is scaled to their past history (+20%). MarineFisheries will issue additional tags to dealers as needed at our Boston, New Bedford, and Gloucester locations, and we will make every effort to deliver tags to dealers when and if possible, but it will be the responsibility of each dealer to track his tags and request additional tags before they run out and their business is disrupted. The tags must be affixed at the place of the primary purchase and before transit by locking them to the jaw, either passing through the mouth and out the gills or by puncturing the lower jaw; only the primary buyer issued the tags (or his agents) shall affix the tags. It shall be illegal to sell, trade, loan or gift striped bass tags or to use any expired or defaced/modified tags; tags must be surrendered to MarineFisheries or the Office of Law Enforcement upon request. The tags must remain affixed to whole striped bass until the fish are processed into fillets, thereafter the tags must accompany the fillets while in possession for re-sale; tags are to remain on the premise of retail seafood dealers or food establishment until are portions are sold, thereafter the tags must be cut into two pieces and discarded. A report of used and unused tags will be required by dealers at the end of the commercial striped bass season; such reports will be due 30 days after a written request from the Director on forms provided by MarineFisheries; all unused tags shall accompany the report; failure to comply with the accounting procedures may disqualify a dealer from future participation as a primary buyer of striped bass. It shall be illegal for any person, other than the original harvester, to possess striped bass or portions thereof for the purpose of sale without the striped bass or portions thereof being tagged in accordance with the tagging requirements. Striped Bass Commercial Fishery Measures Introduction It’s my intent to begin a phased approach in 2014 to slow the commercial harvest of striped bass. An extended season would help reduce market gluts and improve ex-vessel prices paid for striped bass. A longer season would also have the potential for permit holders who fish outside of Barnstable County to have more access to the fishery. Additionally, availability of wild-caught stripers for a longer period of time during summer might increase benefits to Massachusetts consumers of fish who seek healthy, safe, and fresh seafood products caught by local fishermen. Finally, I’m seriously concerned about the impacts of intensive fishing on aggregated striped bass off Chatham. Our research tagging striped bass shows that they exhibit site fidelity. While the specific impacts on the general migratory population are unknown, we must assume that impacts on local distributions of these fish under this unique type of fishing pressure are highly negative. Under other circumstances, for instance if these fish were aggregating to conduct spawning activities, I would consider an area closure. Since this is not the case, in fact most fish caught in the area are likely post-spawning migrants from the mid-Atlantic region, it warrants a more moderate management approach than a commercial fishing closure. Reduced number of weekly commercial fishing days with a lower daily bag limit is a sensible first step. Likewise, starting the commercial fishing season earlier in June rather than mid-July should help increase access beyond the water’s of Chatham, assuming striper aggregation hasn’t peaked there in June. Limiting entry to the fishery was cited numerous times at public hearings as the way to control shorter seasons and market gluts. Limiting entry to the fishery is not on the table at this time. I’m willing to discuss how it might be a useful tool to manage the fishery in the future, provided we do so with open eyes. Keep in mind that over the past several years we have issued an average of 3,822 permits annually; 68% of these permits were not fished. Another 20% of these permits have striped bass sales averaging 250 pounds a year contributing to about 17% of the annual quota. In summary, we could eliminate 88% of current permit holders (about 3,350 people) without gaining more than 17% of the annual quota. We could stand to lose a substantial amount of marine economy in the form of bait and tackle and other related purchases currently being made by these individuals. Management Recommendations I recommend we open the commercial season on June 16, a Monday. Beginning earlier in June might provide better access to those fishing outside of the Chatham aggregation. Additionally, I recommend we eliminate commercial fishing on Sundays and reduce the open days to two days per week, Mondays and Thursdays. This season start and these fishing days provide a sufficient buffer around the July 4 holiday, which falls on a Friday this year. According to public comments, Mondays and Thursdays accommodate both interstate shipping schedules and availability at local markets. Some felt Sundays provided the best opportunity to benefit from the fishery because it afforded some fun time with family and friends or it was the only time they had away from a fulltime job. While I understand those concerns, Sunday fishing is by far a day spent on recreation while weekdays are common working times. Considering that striped bass are sold whole or in-the-round, not gutted, often caught on warm summer days, and perhaps not properly iced, commercial fishing on Sundays is not conducive to providing a high quality seafood product to consumers because markets are closed and fish caught on these days do not get into commerce quickly. I recommend a 15-fish bag limit for the Monday and Thursday fishery. Consider that currently, with fishing on Sunday and three weekdays, we had a 16-day season in 2012 and 2013. In 2013, the 16-day season amounted to six Sundays and 10 weekdays of fishing which results in a maximum of about 6,600 pounds of fish per permit per season (based on 30 fish from the Sundays and 300 fish from the weekdays, averaging about 20-pounds per fish). If the 2014 season increases even slightly and price per pound increases, not only would access be afforded to more permit holders, but a majority will earn more while fishing a similar number of days that they fished in past years. It’s true that the fishery’s highliners would have to work additional days to maintain or increase earnings over the past two seasons, but they represent less than four percent of permit holders who sell fish. Therefore these measures stand to benefit more than 96% of those permit holders who sell fish. The 15-fish bag limit recommendation is for those fishery participants possessing a Boat or Coastal Lobster Permit (with a striped bass permit endorsement). I further recommend that we restrict fishery participants with an Individual or Rod & Reel Permit (with a striped bass endorsement) to two fish per day. I continue to believe that those intending to earn a living from this fishery should be expected to have a boat. Many in attendance at the public hearings commented that we ought to define and restrict this fishery to “real commercial fishermen.” This is a step in that direction. The lower limit will also deter under-capitalized fishermen from engaging in the fishery, thereby freeing up some quota for more invested harvesters. Moreover, Individual and Rod & Reel permits are often used as a tool to sell fish in excess of the possession limit; limiting their harvest to two fish will drastically disincentivize this illegal practice. I am also recommending that primary buyers be prohibited from purchasing more than one daily limit from a commercial fisherman regardless of the number of permits in possession to address this problem. Lastly, I am not swayed by some harvesters’ comments that they prefer fishing alone from their boats under the authority of an Individual or Rod & Reel Permit so as to reduce expenses; the difference between a resident Boat Permit (0-59 feet) and resident Individual Permit is $65, an amount that can be covered by the sale of a single striped bass. I also recommend we eliminate the sale of striped bass harvested by the clients of for-hire vessel operators when conducting a striped bass charter or party trip. For-hire captains who are properly permitted will be free to commercially fish for striped bass and sell their harvest when not engaged in for-hire fishing. The arguments to allow this type of commercial fishing are weak, basically being that it continues a long-standing tradition of the fishery and that for-hire captains should be allowed to work a second job like carpenters and firemen who also work as fishermen. I am usually one who upholds traditions, but this type of commercial activity has nearly all been abandoned in other quota managed fisheries in the Commonwealth, it disrupts our ability to estimate the “recreational” striped bass harvest, and it weakens the ability of law enforcement officials to track compliance. I don’t feel we are prohibiting anyone from working a second occupation to earn additional income, but this situation substantially differs from the examples provided in public testimony. Carpenters and firemen are not building homes and putting out fires when they are out fishing. Lastly, I recommend adopting March 6, 2008 as a control date for the striped bass commercial fishery and moving the permit application/renewal date to February 28/29 beginning in 2015. Whether we choose to limit entry to the fishery or not, a control date will be a beneficial tool for managing this fishery in the future. Adopting a more contemporary date to address effort that has entered the fishery because of the Chatham aggregation won’t help us moving forward if that aggregation continues; but the 2008 period coincides with that date which applies to all other commercial rod and reel fisheries in Massachusetts. Likewise, the end of February coincides with the permit renewal deadline for our limited-entry fisheries; a consistent date will avoid unnecessary confusion.

If any post ever needed bullet points- this is it :hihi:

March 15th is the dead line.....going to start June 23, 2014....15 fish boat on days U can fish....2 fish for the shore commercial fisherman

The 2 fish for the shore guy is discriminatory....there should be a law suite aganist the state fish and wildlife....they R unfairly treating a perticular group....write your state ligislator if U R a concerned shore commercial striped bass fisherman.

Fly Rod - that's not meant to be discriminatory. It's meant too stop the cheating that goes on with multiple licenses. And you seem pretty savy on this fishery, so I'm fairly certain you already know that.
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If any post ever needed bullet points- this is it :hihi:

You ain't kidding....right now his English teacher is fastening a noose in the Boiler room wondering where she went wrong :hihi:

good thing he's not involved in Print media...:hee:

You ain't kidding....right now his English teacher is fastening a noose in the Boiler room wondering where she went wrong :hihi:

good thing he's not involved in Print media...:hee:

I believe Toby's post was a "cut and paste". I do not believe he is in the business of writing statues.

well Toby .you totally f u c k e d me out with all the at talk . can in be reduced to a few information full words ..

Fly Rod - that's not meant to be discriminatory. It's meant too stop the cheating that goes on with multiple licenses. And you seem pretty savy on this fishery, so I'm fairly certain you already know that.
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The way I see it a shore fisherman gets a commercial striper license that says rod and reel, that distinguishes that person from a boat license. I would believe that he/she legally can not bring them fish to the dealer by boat. And how many times would a shore fisherman catch 15 fish, more then likely zero times, I do believe the shore fisher can maybe somedays catch 5 keepers. The state is still discriminating aganist a certain group of commercial fishmen as far as I am concerned.

The intent of the new rules, is to get a large percent of striper fishermen out of it, even by boat if they only catch a few fish of the open season(greed by a few). Thought this was America where ya have a right to make money.

Seems like this is the stated intent

"Moreover, Individual and Rod & Reel permits are often used as a tool to sell fish in excess of the possession limit; limiting their harvest to two fish will drastically disincentivize this illegal practice."

Whether it is accurate or not I have no clue.

One thing that needed to be addressed was more than one permit for a single boat. I know of people that will sell one permit and then go an get more with another's permit, thus 2 quotas per boat per day. I thought it was going to be one permit quota per boat, not per angler. The land bound guys are getting a raw deal but that and the weekday fishing days will definitely put a damper on a lot of guys.

looks like i will be getting a motor for my kayak LOL

One thing that needed to be addressed was more than one permit for a single boat. I know of people that will sell one permit and then go an get more with another's permit, thus 2 quotas per boat per day. I thought it was going to be one permit quota per boat, not per angler. The land bound guys are getting a raw deal but that and the weekday fishing days will definitely put a damper on a lot of guys.

AGREED...only because of a few snob fishermen that claim to be commercial for only about 20 days or so and the rest of the time they R recreational.....I am now thinking of joining "Stripers for Ever.".... the shore commercial guy will not put a dent in the striper fishery...they could never compete wih the commercial boat ....greed!!!! greed!!!! greed!!!

They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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In regards to the regulations for shore based anglers being 2 fish i am already scrambling to determine who in the government or an attorney in order to file a lawsuit to force an injuction to this ruling as it is a biased /discriminting / exlusionary ruling.
Anyone with any advice please contact me
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looks like i will be getting a motor for my kayak LOL

John - pretty sure Dave Lamoureaux had his yak registered so he could get a federal tuna permit.

In regards to the regulations for shore based anglers being 2 fish i am already scrambling to determine who in the government or an attorney in order to file a lawsuit to force an injuction to this ruling as it is a biased /discriminting / exlusionary ruling.
Anyone with any advice please contact me
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Mike I have heard this is already in the works but I forget where I read it.

Andy I think that issue has yet to be addressed and will soon. I agree 1 fish is the way to go.
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John - pretty sure Dave Lamoureaux had his yak registered so he could get a federal tuna permit.

Yes he did.
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http://youtu.be/u_RM8Ziib24
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They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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I think that may be in 2015. I don't think DMF got the ball rolling in time to make it for this year. I heard 1@ 32"

I won't believe anything til its in writing.

They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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Absolutely. By not cutting the rec in half and raising the minimum size to 32 or 34 or even better 36, it leaves the door open for more of the this 2 at 28" BS. I don't know what planet the "management" people are on.

I believe Toby's post was a "cut and paste". I do not believe he is in the business of writing statues.

You ain't kidding....right now his English teacher is fastening a noose in the Boiler room wondering where she went wrong :hihi:

good thing he's not involved in Print media...:hee:

well Toby .you totally f u c k e d me out with all the at talk . can in be reduced to a few information full words ..

This was cut & paste information from Paul Diodati, Director of the MA Division of Marine Fisheries.

As far as the 2 fish for a shore guy versus 15 for a boat, how is that going to be determined as far as which category an angler falls into?

This was cut & paste information from Paul Diodati, Director of the MA Division of Marine Fisheries.

As far as the 2 fish for a shore guy versus 15 for a boat, how is that going to be determined as far as which category an angler falls into?

Will depend on the permit they have. Generally shore guys have a rod & reel permit (2 fish) vs a boat permit (15 fish)

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

The fish from boat will be seasick...LOL...:)

Shore fishermen already have that loop hole covered

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

Pretty sure your boat registration is required to get a boat license. License is for the boat and not the angler like the shore one is...at least I think that's how it works.
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The boat has to have a Massachusetts state commercial fishing permit and on top of that permit you get the 20dollar bass endorcement.
Like a duck stamp
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I dont understand why shore is less.
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pretty sure it is a $30 bass endorsement. The rod and reel permit says Rod and Reel Permit on it. The comm. boat permit says Commercial Permit on it. It has boat length,name of boat, Ma/doc#, homeport, on the license. I have never had a buyer look at that info before but who knows maybe they will now. Shore guys can get a boat permit if they have a registered boat. Some years I have gotten the rod and reel permit and some years I got the boat permit, especially if someone was going to join me as a boat permit covered all on the boat and rod and reel permit did not, only I could be on the boat if comm fishing was going to take place.

March 10, 2014
MarineFisheries Advisory

NEW COMMERCIAL STRIPED BASS REGULATIONS FOR 2014


The Massachusetts Marine Fisheries Advisory Commission has approved new regulations affecting the Commonwealth’s commercial striped bass fishery. The following regulations are expected to be implemented prior to the start of the 2014 season.

· Season Start Date: The new opening date is June 23. The fishery will remain open until the Division of Marine Fisheries (MarineFisheries)projects that the Commonwealth’s annual commercial striped bass quota has been landed. The 2014 quota is approximately 1.15 million pounds.

· Open Fishing Days: The new open fishing days are Mondays and Thursdays only. It is illegal to harvest striped bass for commercial purposes on all other days of the week.

· Daily Limit: The daily possession and landing limits for commercial fishermen have been lowered and are now based on the type of commercial fishing permit held:

- A 15-fish daily limit applies to fishermen issued a Commercial Lobster or Boat Permit with a Striped Bass Endorsement. Validation of a registered vessel is required to obtain a Commercial Lobster or Boat Permit. This limit applies to the permit holder regardless of the number of Striped Bass Endorsements held or trips taken in a day; it also applies to the vessel regardless of the number of Striped Bass Endorsement holders onboard or trips taken in a day.

- A 2-fish daily limit applies to fishermen issued a Commercial Individual or Rod & Reel Permit with a Striped Bass Endorsement. This limit applies to the permit holder regardless of fishing location (e.g., shore or vessel), the number of commercial Striped Bass Endorsements held, or the number of trips taken in a day. Fishermen who obtained a Commercial Individual or Rod & Reel Permit prior to this announcement may apply to upgrade to a Commercial Boat Permit; upgrades must be requested by May 15, 2014.

- Primary buyers are prohibited from purchasing more than one daily limit from a commercial fisherman regardless of the number of commercial Striped Bass Endorsements in the fisherman’s possession.

· Control Date: A control date of September 8, 2013 applies to the commercial striped bass fishery. Any person issued a new Striped Bass Endorsement after September 8, 2013 may be restricted from participating in this fishery or may be subject to different eligibility criteria than those persons who did hold a Striped Bass Endorsement on or before September 8, 2013. Future access may be based on historic landings of a vessel or person, or other criteria established by the Director. Those who obtained a new Striped Bass Endorsement after September 8, 2013 will be required to complete an affidavit acknowledging the Striped Bass Control Date for their endorsement to remain valid.

· Striped Bass Endorsement Application and Renewal Deadline: As previously notified, a March 15 deadline to apply for or apply to renew a commercial striped bass endorsement is effective this year. For 2015 and beyond, the deadline will be the last day of February.

· Tagging Program: Primary buyers of striped bass must affix a valid, MarineFisheries-issued Striped Bass ID Tag to each striped bass at the place of primary purchase and prior to transit. The tags must remain affixed to whole striped bass until the fish are processed into fillets, thereafter the tags must accompany the fillets while in possession for re-sale. Tags are to remain on the premises of retail seafood dealers or food establishments until all portions are sold, thereafter the tags must be cut into two pieces and discarded. Primary buyers will be subject to tag accountability measures following the close of the commercial striped bass season. Dealers authorized to be primary buyers of striped bass will receive, by mail, additional instructions from MarineFisheries regarding tag distribution, use, and accounting by late April.

Refer to MarineFisheries’ website for complete regulations: www.mass.gov/marinefisheries (http://www.mass.gov/marinefisheries). For additional information, please contact MarineFisheries permitting staff in Boston (617-626-1520), Gloucester (978-282-0308), or New Bedford (508-990-2860).

So the way I read it is, if you have a boat permit you can take 15 fish a day, period. If you are a shore fisherman you can take 2 fish a day.

It doesn't matter how many permit holder are on a boat. The permit is, effectively, with the boat and so 1, 15 fish limit per boat per day.

I think that this will mitigate the commercial take to a degree as I am sure that last year there were many boats with 2 permit holders on board taking in 30 fish.

Gotta pay for that $75,000 boat and the dockage and fuel somehow.
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Gotta pay for that $75,000 boat and the dockage and fuel somehow.
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NEBe give it a friggin rest already. :smash:
Everybody knows you don't like commercial bass fishing. So Don't do it.
No need to shat on every single thread that comes up about commercial bass.
Like it or not those are the regs.
Go on over to stripersforever and hug it out with them.

Nebe is actually right. I would guess a good amount of comm guys are having fun fishing and trying to make a couple of dollars doing it. I am not sure how he came up with the generic dollar amount but my guess is the majority of boats out bassing are not worth 1/3 of that price tag.I like fishing.
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It doesn't matter how many permit holder are on a boat. The permit is, effectively, with the boat and so 1, 15 fish limit per boat per day.

I think that this will mitigate the commercial take to a degree as I am sure that last year there were many boats with 2 permit holders on board taking in 30 fish.

Yeah Paul you are suppose to only have 30 fish per vessel and has been like that, but no one checks. Can't leave it up to the fish truck guys to check as it is too hectic and some barely speak English. I know several that do that and that is just the tip of the iceberg for some of the cheating that goes on. Stinks if you play by the rules. Again this year the 15 fish I don't think they will be enforcing that too strictly. Probably be able to sell a few limits per boat and get away with it. Next year I hear it will be more enforced.

I think the facts that really blew my mind was that 67% of the permit holders never sold a fish last year.

LOL I love this. had a guy in the booth Sun complaining about the new com regs. He has a 38 ft $500,000 boat and a nice OBGYN practice an he was complaining about the limits for his commercial fishing---LOOL Practice. Shut it all down.What are there a dozen or so that realy use the com catch to feed their family an the rest to get fish for the Striper Cup or some other bragin rights. LOL it's all become just one big joke. Kill all we can an bitch all we can. Like the mess at the Canal on a moon tide. SAD SAD SADKill them till they/re gone then whine about it.

Nebe is actually right. I would guess a good amount of comm guys are having fun fishing and trying to make a couple of dollars doing it. I am not sure how he came up with the generic dollar amount but my guess is the majority of boats out bassing are not worth 1/3 of that price tag.I like fishing.
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glad you got my humor..

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console.. ;)

LOL I love this. had a guy in the booth Sun complaining about the new com regs. He has a 38 ft $500,000 boat and a nice OBGYN practice an he was complaining about the limits for his commercial fishing---LOOL Practice. Shut it all down.What are there a dozen or so that realy use the com catch to feed their family an the rest to get fish for the Striper Cup or some other bragin rights. LOL it's all become just one big joke. Kill all we can an bitch all we can. Like the mess at the Canal on a moon tide. SAD SAD SADKill them till they/re gone then whine about it.


Amen brother. :love:

Glad I got out when I did!

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console.. ;)

x2

glad you got my humor..

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console.. ;)


I am not thrilled about a commercial season on stripers.... BUT, saying a guy can't commercially fish for Bass because it is not his sole (or major) source of income is kinda... well.... BS.

What if I wanted to sell some lures part time to recoup some of my money spent on supplies? (and paid the taxes, etc...) Would that be OK? Surely it is not my full time job, but I can't see where that would be considered unethical, immoral or illegal.

And as a full disclaimer.... I have no intention or desire to commercial fish OR sell lures to make some spare Cheddar.

I am not thrilled about a commercial season on stripers.... BUT, saying a guy can't commercially fish for Bass because it is not his sole (or major) source of income is kinda... well.... BS.

What if I wanted to sell some lures part time to recoup some of my money spent on supplies? (and paid the taxes, etc...) Would that be OK? Surely it is not my full time job, but I can't see where that would be considered unethical, immoral or illegal.

And as a full disclaimer.... I have no intention or desire to commercial fish OR sell lures to make some spare Cheddar.

we are all entitled to our opinions..

Joe but you're comparing selling a natural resource for supplemental income to selling extra plugs on the side to do the same thing. The plugs can be rebuilt, the fishery may not. Seems like apples to oranges to me.

And I think it's a joke the rec harvest wasn't cut in half as well...

Joe but you're comparing selling a natural resource for supplemental income to selling extra plugs on the side to do the same thing. The plugs can be rebuilt, the fishery may not. Seems like apples to oranges to me.

And I think it's a joke the rec harvest wasn't cut in half as well...


No I get it... and just to be clear, I'd like to see limits SLASHED across the board.

I just fell that legislating WHO can sell commercially is against the freedoms I believe in.

PS. I got your VM, I'll give you a call.

Gotcha.

Ok thanks bud no rush...

LOL Well another way to help is to put an age limit to the permits. either 16 or 18 yrs of age that way the 6 yr olds that sell a full permit amount every day will be out of the equation or the family members that never step foot on a boat.I still wonder how many fish are sold under names that never even fish. for those nay sayer don't bother seen it an reported it. like the guys photoed goin to the draggers at night loadin up on stripers an splittin the take with the draggers.
The point is people doin the illegal stuff make the issue what it is. Commercials don't police their own.Don't want any reductions and fight to take more n more.Are there abuses in rod n reel yup. look at the Canal at times.2 -3-4- thousand fish killed an many taking more than the 2 allowed.
As far as complainin about plug sellers well thats an easy fix. Shut down the hook making an auto industries. No hooks no fishing,no cars well its a long walk or bike ride to look at the water LOL
Never yet seen where less than.001 percent should have more thanthe other 99.999 percent. 1 fish 36 inches for all isn't bad one fish 28 in isn't bad. in Maine it's been 1 fish for a very long time. Part of the reason for the slot limit was to give people a chance at something to take home due to the overfishing of larger fish killin the northern migration.

Its not a good day unless you take multiple limits.

This will stop most of the gang who moves to chatham for the duration of the event. It is not worth it for one day and 10 fish.

IMO The focus of the DMF is in the wrong area. They are so screwed up I don't think this is a fixable any longer. Have to blow up the entire infrastructure and re-build it from the ground up.

The problem when a government group manages a species or multiple species is that is in their best interest to keep the species in constant crisis to stay funded. Imagine if one day cormorants were no longer protected and there was a bounty put on them. (An invasive non-native bird btw). Winter flounder stocks would rebound. Imagine a massive dogfish cull.. Cod stocks would probably rebound. Imagine a seal cull.... Inshore bass fishing on the cape would come back. Imagine temporary shifting MPA's... Ground fish habitat would be restored. But.. Instead these agencies shuffle limits and manage their shell game...

Do you people actually think That the government would fix something to the point that they would have to lay off half of their work force because they fixed the problem that they are assigned to solve? I don't think so.
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I try to keep an open mind about all of this- the comm guys shouldn't be shut out, but they also shouldn't be entitled to 8 or 10 times the recreational guys' take.....

and the $30 license fee is a joke. DMF should raise it so its in line with what every other professional license costs... dental assistants, nurses physical therapists, whatever. licenses for those "professions" are typically $100/year (or more).... "professional bass fishermen" should have the same fee.

I try to keep an open mind about all of this- the comm guys shouldn't be shut out, but they also shouldn't be entitled to 8 or 10 times the recreational guys' take.....

and the $30 license fee is a joke. DMF should raise it so its in line with what every other professional license costs... dental assistants, nurses physical therapists, whatever. licenses for those "professions" are typically $100/year (or more).... "professional bass fishermen" should have the same fee.

They do a boat permit costs $135, it's just the endorsement to fish for stripers that costs $30
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. And how many times would a shore fisherman catch 15 fish, more then likely zero times, I do believe the shore fisher can maybe somedays catch 5 keepers.



You my friend need to find a new place to fish

Porkfrogging
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Anyone with any advice please contact me
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Get your wetsuit registered...its already got its own on board bathroom and food storage area in addition to a live bait tank...heck it even has a bow light.