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Raven 03-13-2014, 07:58 AM I have a personal theory
you'll probably laugh-go ahead.... i don't mind
think of molten lava deep with the earth
it revolves (theoretically) around a solid iron core
think of water ...in rivers and oceans that form eddy's
that circulate pulling things in to them
think of tornados and hurricanes that revolve and suck things up
look in outer space at gravity or at Galaxies that revolve and black holes that
suck even LIGHT into them making it disappear....
so why wouldn't this same phenomenon ....this spiraling...
Not apply to Time vortex's in the space time continuum
call them time eddy's
maybe ....one opened up in front of flight 370
so it did disappear ....but into the future.
either that or into a extraterrestrial MOTHERSHIP using a tractor beam
nothing else explains the signal loss as they have 10 back up generators on board that Aircraft
they would have had to encounter either a Magnetic pulse weapon
or have been completely disintegrated otherwise.
RIROCKHOUND 03-13-2014, 08:10 AM you'll probably laugh-go ahead.... i don't mind
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I did :smash:
FYI: To be technical, molten rock is magma inside the earth (i.e. the outer core as you described) and is lava when it erupts onto the surface of the earth.
spence 03-13-2014, 08:11 AM All things considered I'd give Raven's speculation about as much merit as anything else I've heard.
Now they're saying engine telemetry indicates the plane could have been flying for another 2200 miles. WTF?
-spence
BigBo 03-13-2014, 08:21 AM Being that I've been home on disability and bored silly, thank you Raven. That's the best laugh I've had in a while. :rotflmao:
BigFish 03-13-2014, 08:30 AM No wreckage found.......that plane went into the ocean intact! If it had expolded in air there would be debris everywhere! My guess it was not even an emergency landing on the water...it went in nose first at a high rate of speed! Hey its as good a theory as any the professionals have come up with????
Raven 03-13-2014, 08:43 AM well every pilot is well aware of the jet liner that was landed safely
in the Hudson river and the pilot (i believe) flying this particular jet 370
had his OWN flight Simulator IN HIS HOUSE
STOP drooling Bossman :drool:.... heh heh :wave:
so if i was him ....i would have tried it at least once
in a simulator.... to land a 777 on the ocean
So, yeah ok, the plane landed intact on the OCEAN
so WTF happened to all the CELL Phones and computer
communication devices ..... even UNDERWATER transponders eventually are heard
and HEY we have PLENTY of Stealth SUBS out there....
either terrorists sabotaged them ALL or something else
disabled them all (AT ONCE) RIGHT? it doesn't ADD UP
Raven 03-13-2014, 08:47 AM look at this short video
keep an open mind -now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyWrxY15s6Y&list=PL0E-z_MFqJ3aaGFjuWMU0CJxZAHcgc-N5
The Dad Fisherman 03-13-2014, 08:49 AM Airplanes don't just disappear
Tell that to Amelia Earhart....
Raven 03-13-2014, 08:53 AM this is awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdhTBRi5G00&list=PLUjys83TFU57QZEcTVSK928K4-_iM0SRV
Raven 03-13-2014, 08:58 AM the guy says:
We don't even have the mental ARCHITECTURE to Envision it properly
:rotflmao: i call BINGO ! (what did i win? :think: )
BigFish 03-13-2014, 09:07 AM Re-read my post.....I said it went into the water at a high rate of speed......that would be nose first like a Gannet! If it landed like the one on the Hudson I am guessing they would have found it...gotten signals from the transponder or a radio message from the crew or cell phone calls from people on board.....Raven Malaysian Govt. could use your help? LOL!
BigBo 03-13-2014, 09:09 AM Raven Malaysian Govt. could use your help? LOL!
That would at least get him out of the house and in touch with the REAL WORLD :smash: :rotf2:
Raven 03-13-2014, 09:46 AM shhh i'm looking for a Picture!
that being said (this is of particular interest)
perhaps the Bermuda Triangle, along with another similarly rumored triangle in the Pacific off the coast of Japan,
serves as a portal for interplanetary, interdimensional creatures.
Not kidding.
That's the theory.
This particular myth holds that human ships and planes, when caught in the portal at the wrong time, end up trapped in between dimensions
- it's all just an unintentional by-product of your average day-to-day alien interplanetary, interdimensional, time portal transport.
And you thought your commute was dangerous.
Raven 03-13-2014, 09:53 AM just as tornadoes SPAWN other tornados although smaller
and water SPOUTS are the Perfect example because of how
visual they are....
they kind of reach out and twist in an erratic way
if you have ever watched a SWIRLING river eddy up close
for a little while....
every so often it shifts and spawns or sends off a mini
eddy that is on it's own... has it's own direction
this can be seen when you fire up a boat engine
the eddies travel away from the initial spin of the prop
that's my POINT something like a SPIN off
the show there said 20 miles wide
so you cannot fly around it...
your IN IT
Raven 03-13-2014, 09:57 AM while IN it
due to electromagnetic interference
all your equipment won't work
it all becomes dysfunctional....
SO in Theory... FLIGHT 370 may be perfectly FINE
and it will land at an airport safe and sound
but in the future..... like .... next year maybe
Raven 03-13-2014, 10:21 AM anyway's this is what it looks like
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/feffdb03-5fb7-42f9-bab4-e261808b05fa.jpg
Raven 03-13-2014, 10:23 AM for them on board flight 370 time will seem normal
but for us in 2015
they will have been gone for one year
Raven 03-13-2014, 10:24 AM Just a theory---- MIND YOUse GUYS
carry on
Piscator 03-13-2014, 10:27 AM I think there is a rule on here that you can't reply to your own posts multiple times...4 consecutive replies is a violation I think...just don't want you to get blocked our anything crazy like that.
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Swimmer 03-13-2014, 10:42 AM Re-read my post.....I said it went into the water at a high rate of speed......that would be nose first like a Gannet! If it landed like the one on the Hudson I am guessing they would have found it...gotten signals from the transponder or a radio message from the crew or cell phone calls from people on board.....Raven Malaysian Govt. could use your help? LOL!
If it hit the water like a gannet the plane would be traveling about 700 m.p.h. like I have been told, and read, that other aircraft, which had crashed, had done, in the past. I think there would be debris, enough to be seen, over a fairly wide area. The plane would not have stayed together, under any circumstances.
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fishsmith 03-13-2014, 10:56 AM My vote is China has it.
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Raven 03-13-2014, 10:57 AM I think there is a rule on here that you can't reply to your own posts multiple times...4 consecutive replies is a violation I think...just don't want you to get blocked our anything crazy like that.
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i'll keep it to three -Thanks for the tip
Raven 03-13-2014, 11:04 AM The plane would not have stayed together, under any circumstances.
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the NAVY tracked a USO that traveled
AT 23 000 feet deep (impossible with our technology)
for four days and it traveled so fast that we are awe struck basically
the method used is that there is a force field surrounding the craft
that makes the water bend around it and never touch it
so it's the same as flying through air.....
now if that jet entered into some similar kind of force field
then theoretically it could have traveled to the bottom whole
but something has knocked out the transponder
FishermanTim 03-13-2014, 11:25 AM I think there is a rule on here that you can't reply to your own posts multiple times...4 consecutive replies is a violation I think...just don't want you to get blocked our anything crazy like that.
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They weren't consecutive, they were sent from "the future", so they don't count. :grins:
Let's say that there was some sort of time-displacement/teleportation event that acted like a "wormhole" and drew the plane in.
What make us think that this plane would survive the trip?
Could have tyhe same effect as putting a paper boat in a whirlpool with similar results.
What kind of search & rescue effort had been launched?
Was one ever initiated, or was it a lax "Oh well, there goes another plane" response?
What are the chances that the plane was hijacked and all personal electronics confscated and disabled so plane could be taken whole?
Until concrete facts and evidence are presented, all we are left with is our own speculations and theories, and sometimes that's not enough!
Mike P 03-13-2014, 11:32 AM No wreckage found.......that plane went into the ocean intact! If it had expolded in air there would be debris everywhere! My guess it was not even an emergency landing on the water...it went in nose first at a high rate of speed! Hey its as good a theory as any the professionals have come up with????
Do you think that when a plane goes nose first into the water from 35,000', at a speed in excess of 800 mph, it stays in one piece all the way to the bottom? :rotf2:
It's pretty much the same as flying into a mountain, big guy. ;)
OLD GOAT 03-13-2014, 11:49 AM Has anyone seen it leave the ground????
It might be behind the hangar with a dead battery
Raven 03-13-2014, 03:27 PM What are the chances that the plane was hijacked and all personal electronics confiscated and disabled so plane could be taken whole?
!
i thought about this too.... they steel the whole jet for some evil purpose like filling it with TNT and use it as another 911 type attack
oversea's because they could never get it here.
Swimmer 03-13-2014, 03:49 PM i thought about this too.... they steel the whole jet for some evil purpose like filling it with TNT and use it as another 911 type attack
oversea's because they could never get it here.
The tallest building in the world is in Dubai right, so if its on the ground being loaded with explosives as Raven suggests in that area, it could be within full-tanks flight distance to Dubai right?
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Swimmer 03-13-2014, 03:50 PM And Bigfoot is the flight captain.........
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Jackbass 03-13-2014, 04:14 PM http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
Well Raven you beat the onion to it
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Abc just started filming Lost II. ;)
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afterhours 03-13-2014, 06:44 PM there's something they're not telling us...
JohnnySaxatilis 03-13-2014, 06:51 PM I know most of you have seen this but its just too appropriate
GattaFish 03-13-2014, 07:18 PM there's something they're not telling us...
Trust me Don. They don't know diddly. Malaysia isn't prepared to handle anything like this.
The NTSB has just joined so all the speculation will soon go away and within a week we will hear hard facts.
If there is fowl play I guarantee I will hear something. It's just going to be a while. I flew over that part of the world and radar coverage is spotty at best.
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Swimmer 03-13-2014, 08:38 PM 6 P.M. national news interviews are now saying that someone wanted the plane to disappear.
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BigFish 03-13-2014, 09:25 PM Get back to me when they have hard facts....until then don't bother me!:smash:
vineyardblues 03-14-2014, 04:59 AM The guy flying the plane wanted to end it all , or the person to his right .
He has the know how to disable stuff and ditch the plan where they cant find it . It will be found but way too late
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FishermanTim 03-14-2014, 11:23 AM "It was light from Venus relecting off of some swamp gas"....(Men in Black)
Could be another version of "Snakes on a Plane" scenario?
(Two guys that were seeking asylum were "offed" by those looking for them, and the pilot/co pilot were blackmailed into causing the plane to "dissappear".:confused:
Happens all the time on tv. :smash:
Heres my hunch.. There was a hijacking attempt. The two hijackers gained access into the cockpit and the plane changed course.. passengers, aware of what happened on 9/11, entered the cockpit and a struggle ensued.. The hijackers put the plane into a nose dive and the plane hit the water like a gannet ( as Bigfish suggested).. The nose of the plane exploded, and water filled the plane quickly, the wings were full of fuel and the plane simply sank to the bottom, trapping its contents inside, thus... the lack of wreckage. All that said, there is wreckage floating around out there.. it just has not been seen yet.
vineyardblues 03-14-2014, 11:36 AM Heres my hunch.. There was a hijacking attempt. The two hijackers gained access into the cockpit and the plane changed course.. passengers, aware of what happened on 9/11, entered the cockpit and a struggle ensued.. The hijackers put the plane into a nose dive and the plane hit the water like a gannet ( as Bigfish suggested).. The nose of the plane exploded, and water filled the plane quickly, the wings were full of fuel and the plane simply sank to the bottom, trapping its contents inside, thus... the lack of wreckage. All that said, there is wreckage floating around out there.. it just has not been seen yet.
They already said that "one" of the HiJackers Mother or aunt was waiting for the plane to land to pick him up .... :grins:
Mike P 03-14-2014, 11:57 AM The tallest building in the world is in Dubai right, so if its on the ground being loaded with explosives as Raven suggests in that area, it could be within full-tanks flight distance to Dubai right?
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Getting it off the ground with full fuel and a heavy load of explosives could be a problem, if it was hidden at a small, remote field somewhere. You'd need about 5000' of runway (maybe more if it's a grass field) and a pilot experienced in short field max weight take-offs. Taking off is a bit more complicated than hijacking a plane and turning it around. If was going to be turned into a flying bomb, odds are the original pilot would refuse to take off, even at gunpoint. Unless he was in on whatever plot was hatched, of course.
They already said that "one" of the HiJackers Mother or aunt was waiting for the plane to land to pick him up .... :grins:
Perfect cover ;)
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Raven 03-14-2014, 01:07 PM http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
Well Raven you beat the onion to it
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it occurred to me in a premonition not speculation
Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman
ought to stick to noodles
and get his best people on it.
vineyardblues 03-14-2014, 02:08 PM NeBe it's not to late
:uhuh:
NeBe it's not to late
:uhuh:
haha... nice! :)
spence 03-14-2014, 02:49 PM Getting it off the ground with full fuel and a heavy load of explosives could be a problem, if it was hidden at a small, remote field somewhere. You'd need about 5000' of runway (maybe more if it's a grass field) and a pilot experienced in short field max weight take-offs. Taking off is a bit more complicated than hijacking a plane and turning it around. If was going to be turned into a flying bomb, odds are the original pilot would refuse to take off, even at gunpoint. Unless he was in on whatever plot was hatched, of course.
Getting it off the ground with a small nuke could be scary, and with no load and a lot of fuel that aircraft could likely fly for a while.
I'd wager the military is watching this closely.
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Raven 03-14-2014, 03:02 PM we have a plane that has a lazer in the NOSE
it can shoot the beam like :point: ten miles
we might just use it soon
Getting it off the ground with a small nuke could be scary, and with no load and a lot of fuel that aircraft could likely fly for a while.
I'd wager the military is watching this closely.
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This plane is on the bottom of the ocean
spence 03-15-2014, 01:31 PM This plane is on the bottom of the ocean
I wouldn't jump to that conclusion yet. Evidence is increasingly pointing towards not only a hijacking, the aircraft the air for 7 hours after they lost contact and maneuvers to avoid detection.
-spence
nightfighter 03-15-2014, 03:30 PM It's all about what was in the cargo hold.......
spence 03-15-2014, 03:36 PM It's all about what was in the cargo hold.......
Which was?
-spence
nightfighter 03-15-2014, 03:46 PM Gold. A ton of gold.
spence 03-15-2014, 04:09 PM I wouldn't think an airliner would be the best way to transport gold.
On which conspiracy site have you been lurking?
-spence
Gold. A ton of gold.
Got a link?
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I would like to see the cargo manifest. If there was gold in that plane, I'd sigh a big sigh if releaf as the agenda would be known. I worry that someone might use this jet to carry a serious payload somewhere and pull another 9-11 type attack.
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nightfighter 03-15-2014, 05:02 PM European press... Do you read Polish? Looking for stories in English.
No one has said anything about the cargo.....have they?
I think plane is on the ground, in one piece, in a Russian state. Not sure what they would have done about passengers. They wouldn't last long if someone lowered oxygen levels by overriding controls. Crew has their own oxygen supply. At least on American carriers.
But someone, or something on that plane was the target, IMHO. The plane itself could have been the target, but I don't think so. I also think our two naval assets already in the Indian Ocean are not there with the search as their primary mission. I would expect a larger presence soon.
Let's see a link. This cat is curious
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spence 03-16-2014, 08:17 AM Focus appears to be on the pilot now. He may have started to turn off communication equipment before signing off from KL ATC.
-spence
spence 03-16-2014, 12:40 PM I would like to see the cargo manifest. If there was gold in that plane, I'd sigh a big sigh if releaf as the agenda would be known. I worry that someone might use this jet to carry a serious payload somewhere and pull another 9-11 type attack.
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I don't think this was a robbery...it may all be a political protest.
-spence
buckman 03-16-2014, 01:32 PM I don't think this was a robbery...it may all be a political protest.
-spence
Got a link ? ;)
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Got a link ? ;)
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Read any news source right now. The pilot was a huge supporter of the largest opposition group.
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BigFish 03-16-2014, 04:53 PM Anyone else find it curious the pilot owned his own flight simulator?? I did right out of the gate??
nightfighter 03-16-2014, 04:59 PM Anyone else find it curious the pilot owned his own flight simulator?? I did right out of the gate??
I can't believe the "officials" didn't investigate the simulator's drive history until four or five days had passed.....
That said, I don't believe in transparency and the general public's "right" to know everything as it happens. Some information just doesn't need to be out there in real time.
spence 03-16-2014, 05:03 PM I can't believe the "officials" didn't investigate the simulator's drive history until four or five days had passed.....
That said, I don't believe in transparency and the general public's "right" to know everything as it happens. Some information just doesn't need to be out there in real time.
I'd wager there's a lot our government knows that hasn't been released to the press.
People may just be thanking the NSA when this is all said and done :hihi:
-spence
Raven 03-16-2014, 05:41 PM Anyone else find it curious the pilot owned his own flight simulator?? I did right out of the gate??
yeah me too.....and it became a decision of wether he was the best pilot ever...or up to no good....
and who else he trained @ home
Raven 03-16-2014, 05:45 PM as for a political protest
it would have to be a straight trade of passenger's of flight 370 for
gitmo detainee's
BigBo 03-16-2014, 05:49 PM yeah me too.....and it became a decision of wether he was the best pilot ever...or up to no good....
and who else he trained @ home
Not according to your original post. :smash:
Raven 03-16-2014, 05:50 PM Not according to your original post. :smash:
that was theory number ONE
BigBo 03-16-2014, 06:04 PM Theory number one was the aliens? :rotf2:
Raven 03-16-2014, 06:26 PM yoda did it
Raven 03-17-2014, 12:48 AM European press... Do you read Polish? Looking for stories in English.
No one has said anything about the cargo.....have they?
I think plane is on the ground, in one piece, in a Russian state. Not sure what they would have done about passengers. They wouldn't last long if someone lowered oxygen levels by overriding controls. Crew has their own oxygen supply. At least on American carriers.
But someone, or something on that plane was the target, IMHO. The plane itself could have been the target, but I don't think so. I also think our two naval assets already in the Indian Ocean are not there with the search as their primary mission. I would expect a larger presence soon.
the fact that 20 members of one tech company all being on board did
ring a bell
buckman 03-17-2014, 07:29 AM I heard today that there are over 600 runways where the plane could have landed.
Also the pilots family moved out the day before the flight and have not been heard from . I'm not sure the validity of all this. I just heard bits and pieces on the news
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Raven 03-17-2014, 04:40 PM as a result of the big bang theory
this article validates the " Idea "
as a potential "possibility"
http://txchnologist.com/post/79883221250/first-evidence-of-early-universes-massive-expansion?utm_source=Txch%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Email%20distro
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/tumblr_inline_n2lgj2Y4oe1rpydpj.gif
spence 03-18-2014, 07:35 AM I'm leaning toward the cockpit fire theory for now…seems to fit most of the evidence…aside from the bit where some communication equipment was turned off before the co-pilot signed off…but perhaps that reporting is wrong.
-spence
Raven 03-18-2014, 07:54 AM that wouldn't explain no messages from passengers getting thru
unless they all were out of range but i thought "maybe :huh: "
a satellite might
be able to get a signal ... i dunno
vineyardblues 03-18-2014, 08:05 AM This is why they have no cell service
BigBo 03-18-2014, 09:11 AM This is why they have no cell service
Raven was right all along!!!!!!!!!!! :want:
Raven 03-18-2014, 10:10 AM any time there's electromagnetic interference
from an electromagnetic pulse weapon
or any other source ...nothing works anymore
that could be an explanation of why the pilot was flying
such a crazy pattern if it wasn't a deliberate act
of hijacking the aircraft
same thing happened to 8 of our own navy pilots
a long long time ago after some planes went missing and they
were the search squad....NONE of them were ever found again.
spence 03-18-2014, 10:28 AM Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
buckman 03-18-2014, 10:34 AM Remember Paine Stewart . The plane climbed to 65k . Is this not plausible here also ?
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Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
One would think that the first thing that the pilot would do is notify the tower that THERE WAS A FIRE ON BOARD...
I think that this was a pilot suicide event due to his political beliefs to bring attention to the opposition party. I also think that the Malaysian government has known this all along and is a reason why it was so slow to release information..
spence 03-18-2014, 10:42 AM One would think that the first thing that the pilot would do is notify the tower that THERE WAS A FIRE ON BOARD...
There's nothing ground control can do to help at that instant. I'd think their energy would be focused on where the aircraft was going and addressing the issue. If it was a bad fire you could have perhaps a few minutes.
I'm sure there's a pretty standard process they train for in these situations.
-spence
Piscator 03-18-2014, 10:49 AM There's nothing ground control can do to help at that instant. I'd think their energy would be focused on where the aircraft was going and addressing the issue. If it was a bad fire you could have perhaps a few minutes.
I'm sure there's a pretty standard process they train for in these situations.
-spence
They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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spence 03-18-2014, 11:02 AM They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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Ha, I read just the opposite ;)
-spence
Navigate then communicate.
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spence 03-18-2014, 11:19 AM Navigate then communicate.
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If I remember it was aviate, navigate then communicate.
The "incident" appears to have happened as they were passing off to Thai controllers. That could have contributed confusion.
-spence
GattaFish 03-18-2014, 11:19 AM They've reported that the very first thing ingrained in pilots when an emergency occurs is to communicate the issue to ground control (especially when manually shuttting systems down). I'm not a pilot so I can't confirm but it's been reported numerous times so far.
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Nope.
Aviate, navigate then communicate.
That puts ATC Last.
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Spence beat me to it. What may further be an issue with communications is if they were switching over to HF radio.
spence 03-18-2014, 11:23 AM Here's the piece that's making the rounds today.
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
-spence
Piscator 03-18-2014, 11:31 AM Good thing I'm not a pilot!
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buckman 03-18-2014, 11:46 AM Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
I see you read Business Insider
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spence 03-18-2014, 11:52 AM I see you read Business Insider
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Article was on Wired but I believe BI posted it this morning.
-spence
I hope that is what happened. If that's the case, they should be able to tow a side scan along that flight path and eventually find the plane sitting on the bottom. E v e n t u a l l y.
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Mike P 03-18-2014, 01:21 PM Some interesting remarks by pilots I read today. They suspect the front tires caught on fire on take off or a fire started in another manner. The captain would know what airport options he had in case of an emergency and entered this into the autopilot first thing. Then they'd start shutting down systems to isolate the issue. Pilots get overwhelmed by smoke and are knocked out...the plane then continues on autopilot until it runs out of gas.
There is an ideal airport on the new heading they took...they would have flown right over it.
Doesn't answer everything but it is a plausible scenario.
-spence
There's one major flaw in that theory. The tire/landing gear wells aren't pressurized, and at 35,000' there's not enough ambient oxygen in the atmosphere to keep tires burning. Every so often, a clueless stowaway gets the stupid idea to crawl into a wheel well while a plane is on the ground. Once the plane takes off and the gear is retracted, they die from hypoxia, well before they die from hypothermia. Their bodies fall like a block of ice to the ground when the gear is lowered on the final approach.
spence 03-18-2014, 02:09 PM There's one major flaw in that theory. The tire/landing gear wells aren't pressurized, and at 35,000' there's not enough ambient oxygen in the atmosphere to keep tires burning. Every so often, a clueless stowaway gets the stupid idea to crawl into a wheel well while a plane is on the ground. Once the plane takes off and the gear is retracted, they die from hypoxia, well before they die from hypothermia. Their bodies fall like a block of ice to the ground when the gear is lowered on the final approach.
Reasonable point, although I'd suspect a tire that ignited on takeoff could burn at least until 10,000 feet. By that point it could have spread?
I've heard of tires igniting on landing but never on take off...who knows.
-spence
And then there is the lithium batteries in the cargo hold that has downed other planes before...
A fire is very plausible.
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Swimmer 03-18-2014, 04:01 PM Ha, I read just the opposite ;)
-spence
The actual thing a pilot does first in an emergency, or when the emergency is first realized, is to mutter those very famous words, "oh chit". My uncle flew in the air force for thirty three years from prop planes during WW II to B 52's during Vietnam, and he told me those two words are the first post emergency words enunciated in virtually all instances by pilots and people in the cockpit. My wife had a math professor that I was dying to meet, because as a navigator on B 52's in Vietnam he was shot down twice and survived. I wanted to ask him if thats what he said when the missiles hit the plane and never did before he passed.
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Raven 03-18-2014, 05:37 PM i think there was talk about a strange climbing to 45,000 feet
for a short period which may have been an attempt at putting out a fire
so that "is" a possible scenario.... remember that many tires
are cheated or of poor quality. MALAYSIA wasn't up to specs
on several issue's as compared to our regulations.
RIROCKHOUND 03-18-2014, 07:01 PM I hope that is what happened. If that's the case, they should be able to tow a side scan along that flight path and eventually find the plane sitting on the bottom. E v e n t u a l l y.
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Eventually... very deep water along that flight path...
Raven 03-18-2014, 07:25 PM would a jetliner that sank to very deep depths
and then imploded leave no trace evidence or debris?
that is something to think about
RIROCKHOUND 03-18-2014, 07:29 PM would a jetliner that sank to very deep depths
and then imploded leave no trace evidence or debris?
that is something to think about
I think there will be debris eventually; seat cushions and such
spence 03-18-2014, 08:47 PM Eventually... very deep water along that flight path...
Not sure they'd ever find it. With a deep water search there would have to be some value to justify the process.
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Mike P 03-18-2014, 09:32 PM Reasonable point, although I'd suspect a tire that ignited on takeoff could burn at least until 10,000 feet. By that point it could have spread?
I've heard of tires igniting on landing but never on take off...who knows.
-spence
90% of the time, that's the brakes getting overheated and igniting the tire. In take-off, the brakes aren't being applied. Airlines use pure nitrogen in the tires, too, not compressed air, to decrease the chances of a tire fire.
As far as climbing to 45,000', I would say that an hour after take-off with full fuel, it couldn't climb that high. You'd have to burn off a lot of fuel first. If there was even the slightest chance of a fire, the last thing they would do is dump fuel. The 777 has a rated service ceiling of 41,000'.
Scuttlebutt 03-19-2014, 10:50 AM "The life of everyone on board depends upon just one thing: finding someone back there who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."
"The life of everyone on board depends upon just one thing: finding someone back there who can not only fly this plane, but who didn't have fish for dinner."
Bwaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!
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buckman 03-19-2014, 11:36 AM I believe the plane made two course changes after passing the "closest airport"
So someone was at the controls
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spence 03-19-2014, 01:02 PM I believe the plane made two course changes after passing the "closest airport"
So someone was at the controls
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Yes, there was another good article today that trashed the smoke theory...
-spence
Piscator 03-19-2014, 09:10 PM Pakistan??
Would be a very long shot but just feels like there's a lot being held back for good reason...
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looks like the Australians think they found it
spence 03-19-2014, 11:10 PM looks like the Australians think they found it
Not sure about that yet...but I hope for the families they can close the loop.
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Piscator 03-19-2014, 11:13 PM Some objects spotted on satellite imagery. Now they have to go and actually find it to see if its related.
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Raven 03-20-2014, 04:01 AM croc's
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