Breaking news at noon today shows the 18 year old not so innocent...store photo shows him robbing store of cigars and threatening the employee....he fit the discription of the person cops looking for...also the cop that shot him needed hospital medical attention

But, does it justifies the shooting of the young black kid?..I do not think so if he was standing away from the cop...and it does not justify the destruction of property, does not give the right to loot and burn.....they that did deserve to be prosecuted.

Y do we need several organizations to investigate and the DOJ trying to make this a racial thing....it has come political...and what help is Al Sharpton?...just another radical such as obama....the anointed one was wrong when he spoke about the cops in Cambridge and Florida.

There is $$$$ to be made off the racial divide . The media is also fueling the race riots and Obama fans the flames every chance he gets . I have decided he is psychotic . Just a very evil, uncaring pathological lier.all of a sudden he wants transparency! Lmao The poor kid isn't so innocent ...what a shocker.If Obama had a son..... Exactly like him!!!
These hoodlums that are looting should be shot too .
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The boy being shot and his involvement in a robbery are two different events, he may not be as pure as the new fallen snow, but the shooting officer probably didn't know about the first incident.

What should scare everyone liberals and conservatives alike is that a police agency can deploy a militarized force to keep the people down. In my eyes that is far more dangerous in every aspect.

very true Fishparts...our little city went thru that a year ago at fiesta time...sheriffs department brought in attack dogs to close the bars and keeep the peace....this is a city that ony has domestic violence and a few drunks.....they had over stepped their bounds....they were not at this years fiesta and all was calm

twenty years ago I did see in a magazine the cop of the future and it came true...showed a cop directing traffric suited with bullet proof vest ..gas mask...automatic weapon...how the world has changed

The boy being shot and his involvement in a robbery are two different events, he may not be as pure as the new fallen snow, but the shooting officer probably didn't know about the first incident.

What should scare everyone liberals and conservatives alike is that a police agency can deploy a militarized force to keep the people down. In my eyes that is far more dangerous in every aspect.

All that plus the racially charged environment that was already there. People aren't trying to make this about race, that factor was long since present…

How the local PD has handled the event is disturbing to say the least.

-spence

Got to love the joke going around about all the looting of stores there including PayLess shoes.
Not 1 pair of work boots were touched.
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I like this guy's view of the situation at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04BeElmr0o

I like this guy's view of the situation at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p04BeElmr0o

I especially like his mention is still waiting for that Obama Change.
But that another video for another day !
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"Acting like Curious George on Red Bulls" :)
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Got to love the joke going around about all the looting of stores there including PayLess shoes.
Not 1 pair of work boots were touched.
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There are bus loads of Furgesonites heading to Detroit because there is no work
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if you put all of the shooting episode ASIDE
(jury's still out on that)
"my observation"
and look solely at the VIDEO of how he acted in the store
taking whatever he wanted
and then power walking after the clerk until he conceded
the clerk decided that the was nothing further to be done
without getting HURT..........

you can tell that this was a BULLY
and it wasn't his first Rodeo

He a big dude...could have been nose tackle for any team

So in the same week this kid was shot in Missouri 26 Black kids were shot by other black Kids in Chicago.
How come Jesse, Al, Barack and the black panthers aren't making statements on those shootings ???
Maybe because no $ to be extorted from there !
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Regardless of where conservatives fall on the spectrum of how they see Ferguson, MO, conservatives should also be willing to agree on two things.

First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen.

Second, and even more importantly, conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government. In fact, if a government is big enough to give us everything, it is big enough to take it all away and that government may not be Washington, but your state or local community. Many liberals are today upset at the police in Ferguson, MO, but give a complete pass to the IRS’s political persecutions. Conservatives upset at the IRS, EPA, DOJ, etc. should not give a blanket pass to state and local authorities. Frankly, we should also not give a pass to Republican administrations on these issues.

Conservatives are a law and order bunch. It is, in fact, the natural order to gather into societies and cede our individual rights of protection to a governmental body that wields the sword on our behalf. But that sword can be turned on us. As we become a society where more and more legislation and regulation causes more and more well meaning people to accidentally run afoul of laws and rules, we should be more concerned with militarizing our police and extending the jurisdictions of law enforcement agencies.

Police do a good and necessary job. But if power corrupts men and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we should be wary of putting our neighborhood man in blue in camouflage, a helmet, and an AR-15 inside an armored personnel carrier except in the most serious of circumstances.

No conservative is saying police do not need to be able to outshoot and out arm the bad guys. But many of us are saying police are more quickly than ever before resorting to playing soldier when they could accomplish the same as just a policeman.

One can view the events of Ferguson, MO and decide it was a good call to, before rioting even began, suit up the police as soldiers. But the world is not binary. Regardless of how one views the events of Ferguson, we should all be troubled by the over-militarization of routine police activity. We should all be troubled at the growing number of well documented cases of heavy handed local and state police. Being a conservative means we should support the judicious use of force. It also means that, unlike liberals who routinely turn a blind eye to the abuses of the state targeted toward their opponents, we should not simply presume the ends justify the means.

While I agree about the concern of militarizing our police forces and disagree with that move, I don't view this whole situation in MO as a conservative v. liberal issue. What's going on is a social issue. Social mores are seriously distorted.
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I work...and I fish. I don't own a gun, I don't steal, I don't riot and I don't loot! I also do not give a crap about the goings on in Ferguson Missouri! Its just another excuse/reason for piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& human beings to riot, to loot, to injure, to kill....to act like friggin animals! Those people doing all the rioting and looting do not care about the issue at hand! They have no morals to be doing what they are doing so how could they possibly even care about the topic of the issue at hand??? Rioting and looting and burning the very place you call home???? Let them go to town....I could care less!

Burn it to the ground! Opportunists. Go get a job. Oh wait, you just destroyed the city and there are no jobs left. :smash:

Burn it to the ground! Opportunists. Go get a job. Oh wait, you just destroyed the city and there are no jobs left. :smash:

It worked for Detroit

It worked for Detroit
:uhuh:

Burning to the ground will lead to the government to build more public housing which would be good for Furgeson at the expense of the tax payers.
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Burning to the ground will lead to the government to build more public housing which would be good for Furgeson at the expense of the tax payers.
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yup and they'll trash it within 10 yrs.

The boy being shot and his involvement in a robbery are two different events, he may not be as pure as the new fallen snow, but the shooting officer probably didn't know about the first incident.

What should scare everyone liberals and conservatives alike is that a police agency can deploy a militarized force to keep the people down. In my eyes that is far more dangerous in every aspect.

"The boy being shot and his involvement in a robbery are two different event"

True, but the robbery establishes a pattern of thuggish violence that neither you nor I would ever display. Meaning he's way more likely, compared to an average kid taken off the street, to be capable of the violent kind of behavior that would justify getting shot in his empty noggin.

"What should scare everyone liberals and conservatives alike is that a police agency can deploy a militarized force to keep the people down. "

I'll tell you what. If by "the people", you mean a feral mob destroying everything they can get their hands on? You want the cops to face that mob in their underwear with empty hands? If that mob is advancing towards my home, towards my kids, or towards my place of business, then the better equipped the cops are, the more likely they are to keep the rioters at bay. I sleep like a baby knowing they have that stuff, in the event that the mob, not the police, make it necessary. Let's not forget what precipitated the police gearing up like the 82nd Airborne, and it wasn't jaywalkers.

You say the military equipment in the hands of the cops is "far more dangerous"? Well, we know this kid roughed up a store owner. We know this mob has been looting and burning. What have the cops done with their military gear, exactly?

People aren't trying to make this about race,
-spence

No, Sharpton would never stoop so low...

So in the same week this kid was shot in Missouri 26 Black kids were shot by other black Kids in Chicago.
How come Jesse, Al, Barack and the black panthers aren't making statements on those shootings ???
Maybe because no $ to be extorted from there !
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Great question. The answer is, regardless of whatever malarkey Spence is shoveling, this is about one thing, and one thing only...race. Black kids killing other black kids in Chicago doesn't fir the liberal "narrative", and therefore it doesn't help Al Sharpton stay relevant in the conversation.

Courageous post.

First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen.

Second, and even more importantly, conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government. In fact, if a government is big enough to give us everything, it is big enough to take it all away and that government may not be Washington, but your state or local community. Many liberals are today upset at the police in Ferguson, MO, but give a complete pass to the IRS’s political persecutions. Conservatives upset at the IRS, EPA, DOJ, etc. should not give a blanket pass to state and local authorities. Frankly, we should also not give a pass to Republican administrations on these issues.

Conservatives are a law and order bunch. It is, in fact, the natural order to gather into societies and cede our individual rights of protection to a governmental body that wields the sword on our behalf. But that sword can be turned on us. As we become a society where more and more legislation and regulation causes more and more well meaning people to accidentally run afoul of laws and rules, we should be more concerned with militarizing our police and extending the jurisdictions of law enforcement agencies.

Police do a good and necessary job. But if power corrupts men and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we should be wary of putting our neighborhood man in blue in camouflage, a helmet, and an AR-15 inside an armored personnel carrier except in the most serious of circumstances.

No conservative is saying police do not need to be able to outshoot and out arm the bad guys. But many of us are saying police are more quickly than ever before resorting to playing soldier when they could accomplish the same as just a policeman.

One can view the events of Ferguson, MO and decide it was a good call to, before rioting even began, suit up the police as soldiers. But the world is not binary. Regardless of how one views the events of Ferguson, we should all be troubled by the over-militarization of routine police activity. We should all be troubled at the growing number of well documented cases of heavy handed local and state police. Being a conservative means we should support the judicious use of force. It also means that, unlike liberals who routinely turn a blind eye to the abuses of the state targeted toward their opponents, we should not simply presume the ends justify the means.

"First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen. "

Who, exactly, in the conservative world, is suggesting that "all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen"? Can you name any influential conservatives who are saying that?

"conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government."

I don't want to "give a pass". But how about we get the facts first, before we conclude that this kid was the innocent victim of a racial assassination?

Good to see that the liberals, and their mouthpieces in the media, learned such a good lesson from the Duke Lacrosse case, in terms of not jumping to politically correct conclusions before we know what happened. Anybody remember that incident at all?

Great question. The answer is, regardless of whatever malarkey Spence is shoveling, this is about one thing, and one thing only...race. Black kids killing other black kids in Chicago doesn't fir the liberal "narrative"

Courageous post.

No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about fun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about gun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

"No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager"

Right. And to liberals and race-baiters, a small number of white cops kilingblack kids, deserves WAY more attention and energy than thousands of black kids being killed by other black kids. How about we put our energy where the biggest problems are? Does anyone genuinely believe that large numbers of white cops wake up and go looking for blacks to execute?

And "unarmed" means little. Someone who is 6'4 and 300 pounds can do an awful lot of damage, as shown in the video when he roughed up the store owner for the huge payoff of a box of cigars.

"I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office"

No, you're not. Not if you suggest that just because it's a case of white cop/dead black kid, means that we waste al this energy, when we could be directing that energy towards larger problems.

Let the justice system play out here, before we decide if there's a story.

White cop shoots black kid, page 1 everywhere, even though w ehave no idea what happened. A couple dozed black kids get shot in Chicago, that's far less important. If you can explain that to me, I'm willing to listen.

Got to love the joke going around about all the looting of stores there including PayLess shoes.
Not 1 pair of work boots were touched.
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I heard the looters did over $500,000.00 in improvements!

Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about fun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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I agree 99%.
'The thug life' mentality is a huge part of this. Agreed.
I think the ready access to firearms for the thugs/gangs etc. is a huge part of the issue.

I ask it every time this comes up. where are the percentages? Are they stolen, straw, foreign? I just don't know, but it warrants discussion. There certainly are gun laws on the books, let a lot of criminals have guns. How do we mitigate this?

"No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager"

Right. And to liberals and race-baiters, a small number of white cops kilingblack kids, deserves WAY more attention and energy than thousands of black kids being killed by other black kids. How about we put our energy where the biggest problems are? Does anyone genuinely believe that large numbers of white cops wake up and go looking for blacks to execute?

And "unarmed" means little. Someone who is 6'4 and 300 pounds can do an awful lot of damage, as shown in the video when he roughed up the store owner for the huge payoff of a box of cigars.

"I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office"

No, you're not. Not if you suggest that just because it's a case of white cop/dead black kid, means that we waste al this energy, when we could be directing that energy towards larger problems.

Let the justice system play out here, before we decide if there's a story.

White cop shoots black kid, page 1 everywhere, even though w ehave no idea what happened. A couple dozed black kids get shot in Chicago, that's far less important. If you can explain that to me, I'm willing to listen.

And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

I agree 99%.
'The thug life' mentality is a huge part of this. Agreed.
I think the ready access to firearms for the thugs/gangs etc. is a huge part of the issue.

I ask it every time this comes up. where are the percentages? Are they stolen, straw, foreign? I just don't know, but it warrants discussion. There certainly are gun laws on the books, let a lot of criminals have guns. How do we mitigate this?

Gun violations are usually plea bargained . Ma has a mandatory one year if caught without a license . No one gets the 1 year.
It really is as simple as throwing the book at anybody that commits a crime with a firearm .
The thugs know there is little risk carrying one or using it.
I'm not sure why anti-gun people are against hard time if you do the crime. Perhaps they are stupid.
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And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

He was a big kid. Hyped up on adrenaline and perhaps drugs. You don't stop shooting unti the person stops advancing . From what I hear the police officer was injured during the scuffle.
Are we feeling more comfortable now that attorney Holder is on the case?
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Gun violations are usually plea bargained . Ma has a mandatory one year if caught without a license . No one gets the 1 year.
It really is as simple as throwing the book at anybody that commits a crime with a firearm .
The thugs know there is little risk carrying one or using it.
I'm not sure why anti-gun people are against hard time if you do the crime. Perhaps they are stupid.
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That stops them after they have the gun.

Where did they get the gun if most gun owners are responsible. Is every gun on the streets stolen? Illegal import?
It remains a valid question, I think.

He was a big kid. Hyped up on adrenaline and perhaps drugs. You don't stop shooting unti the person stops advancing . From what I hear the police officer was injured during the scuffle.
Are we feeling more comfortable now that attorney Holder is on the case?
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Agreed. If thats how the facts play out, it was justified. From what I have read, a lot of information has not been released yet, and a lot of questions remain.

None of this justifies the rioting etc, although a lot has been clearly instigated by people outside the community looking to stir #^&#^&#^&#^& up

Agreed. If thats how the facts play out, it was justified. From what I have read, a lot of information has not been released yet, and a lot of questions remain.

I know nothing of this Mel Robbins woman, but it summarizes some of the holes in the story, and the two wildly conflicting accounts. Again, it might all play out exactly as the police office stated, but issues remain that need to be clarified.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/opinion/robbins-ferguson-shooting/index.html

Agreed. If thats how the facts play out, it was justified. From what I have read, a lot of information has not been released yet, and a lot of questions remain.

None of this justifies the rioting etc, although a lot has been clearly instigated by people outside the community looking to stir #^&#^&#^&#^& up

X2
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I know nothing of this Mel Robbins woman, but it summarizes some of the holes in the story, and the two wildly conflicting accounts. Again, it might all play out exactly as the police office stated, but issues remain that need to be clarified.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/opinion/robbins-ferguson-shooting/index.html

Don't take this the wrong way Brian but the article you linked is a complete piece of crap . It is full of misinformation . She is outraged that the state is investigating this and haven't made all the facts public ???? It's an investigation and one needs to be very careful . There won't be an indictment because my guess is the only guilty party is dead , however lawyers being lawyers , there will be a civil suit . ( extortion / payoff )
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And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

I've also seen multiple reports that the police have been fired upon (gunfire). The fact that there haven't been dozens more dead kids, tells me that the cops are showing amazing restraint.

This guy may be a bad cop, who knows. I just hate the same old tiresome, predictable response every single time this happens.

Since when is it ok to get into a scuffle with a cop trying to get his gun ???
Guarantee had he got the gun and shot/killed the cop Sharpton, Jackson, the Black Panthers and the rest of the race baiters would be no where to be found.
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"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here? I'm all for letting justice play out, but a lot of red flags on this case, and this department. Hell, did you see the mayor of Ferguson?


You are not wrong, but I don't know the answer. I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

It's not crap, it's facts . Here's another one for you . Drugs have been banned yet they are the leading cause for most black on black murders . Still think banning guns is a workable solution ? I'm for enforcing existing laws and tougher sentences . To quote Jim " Am I wrong "
What Liberal Democrats don't want to agree on is that the liberal policies are the cause of much of what is going on in Missouri. People feeling they are always a victim. People feeling they're entitled. People feeling that somebody else is to blame for the a problem. People feeling that life has not been fair to them. All feelings that have been driven into them by the liberals and the liberal media. People need to have personal responsibility. Liberal policies do nothing to create that.
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You don't think centuries of medical experiments on blacks w/o their knowledge or having police dogs attacking you or having fire hoses shooting water on you all for peacefully protesting have nothing do with it? How about being told you can't sit at a counter b/c of the color of your skin? How about being spit upon b/c you want to go to a certain school? How about in NY where every case a white detective got a murder conviction against a black defendent they found he made up evidence. Yup, those damn liberals!

At least I got my laugh for the day.

My laugh yesterday was people comparing a shooting by the police to a shooting by criminals in Chicago and wondering why there weren't protests over that as if they are the same thing.

Would the reaction had been the same if a black cop shot a white kid - absouletly not. And this is b/c there are very few instances of black cops shooting white kids. From the black perspective, this is far too common. Was the shooting justified? I tend to give the police the benefit of the doubt so I think it prob. was. But I don't have to deal with a history of being discriminated against to color my opinion and anyone who ignores that history is naive.

If the cop car had a camera this prob. wouldn't be an issue.

You don't think centuries of medical experiments on blacks w/o their knowledge or having police dogs attacking you or having fire hoses shooting water on you all for peacefully protesting have nothing do with it? How about being told you can't sit at a counter b/c of the color of your skin? How about being spit upon b/c you want to go to a certain school? How about in NY where every case a white detective got a murder conviction against a black defendent they found he made up evidence. Yup, those damn liberals!

At least I got my laugh for the day.

My laugh yesterday was people comparing a shooting by the police to a shooting by criminals in Chicago and wondering why there weren't protests over that as if they are the same thing.

Would the reaction had been the same if a black cop shot a white kid - absouletly not. And this is b/c there are very few instances of black cops shooting white kids. From the black perspective, this is far too common. Was the shooting justified? I tend to give the police the benefit of the doubt so I think it prob. was. But I don't have to deal with a history of being discriminated against to color my opinion and anyone who ignores that history is naive.

If the cop car had a camera this prob. wouldn't be an issue.
That's a pretty large list of excuses.
I will guarantee you that not one of the thugs or looters have experienced any of it. What I will guarantee you they have experienced is handouts, excuse making, opportunities created especially because they are a minority and constantly being told there is a reason they cannot succeed.
There are plenty of other minority groups in this country that have succeeded. You think it was easy but my great-grandparents to come to this country being Irish?? They were not given any handouts . They relied on family, and pride.
The black community needs to find a sense of self-worth and pride. There are plenty of examples of blacks that have succeeded to the top. The list is long, mostly conservative but for the most part vilified by the liberals. I cannot for the life of me understand why liberals claim to be on the side of the black man but do everything they can to keep him down
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So you just want to ignore everything and just call them "excuses". No wonder the Repubs. get such a small amount of the black vote (and then wonder why).

The looters are criminals, pure and simple.

So you just want to ignore everything and just call them "excuses". No wonder the Repubs. get such a small amount of the black vote (and then wonder why).

The looters are criminals, pure and simple.

At this point , that's what they are being used as. I'm pretty sure the Republicans know why they get a small percentage of the black vote and Democrats should be ashamed of themselves
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At this point , that's what they are being used as. I'm pretty sure the Republicans know why they get a small percentage of the black vote and Democrats should be ashamed of themselves
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:rotf2:

And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here? I'm all for letting justice play out, but a lot of red flags on this case, and this department. Hell, did you see the mayor of Ferguson?


You are not wrong, but I don't know the answer. I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

"And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here?"

What I don't hear (except on one TV station), i steh media saying that Sharpton is a proven liar with zero credibility and whi is a dangerous liar and therefore shuold be ignored. It's not enough for the media to be silent on this topic. Responsible journalism demands that Sharpton be called out for what he is, so that his influenced is diminished. If you see what has happened there, you'd conclude that a non-trivial number of people are reacting to the message of people like Sharpton.

Also, the governor has called for "prosecution". Not calling for an "investigation", but for a "prosectution", implying that there's enough evidence to establish a likelihood of guilt. Obama and Holder have expressed sympathy with residents because of "distrust of police", when we have no evidence to support the notion that the cop who shot this kid is not to be trusted.

Here's what gets me. If the cop was black, no one would have heard of this event. Therefore, it's about race, and nothing else.

Maybe this cop is a bit skittish, and is the type who shoots too soon when put in a dangerous, though non-lethal, situation. There are a lot of people like that, and it doesn't make them racist. Meaning, even if the cop was not justified in shooting this kid (which is a big 'if' at this point), that doesn't even come close to making the cop a racial assassin. Being un-suited for law enforcement, is not the same as racism.

"I ask questions about how the criminals get guns"

And that's a good question, but it's not the most important question. It's not just about the guns, because there are places with high rates of gun ownership that have low crime. You and I could have a collection of guns, and we'd never hurt anybody. To solve a problem, you need to get to the actual cause, and in my opinion, the cause of this problem isn't guns (though guns play a very large role). The fundamental problem is that as a society, collectively, we have a lot less empathy for each other than we did a generation ago, and less than the generation before that. The problem is a lack of empathy, a lack of values.

This president was in a unique position to possibly change what's going on in the black community, where 70% of kids are born out of wedlock, and that's a lot more fundemental to this issue than guns. And he has done almost nothing in that regard, an abject failure.

People feeling they are always a victim. People feeling they're entitled. People feeling that somebody else is to blame for the a problem. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

BINGO.

In big cities, where large numbers of blacks live, Democrats almost always are in charge, and have been for a generation. Are these cities better off than they were 30 years ago, or worse?

That alone should be enough to reject much of liberalism with great confidence. Yet the people in these cities wake up in the morning, open their doors, look around, and vote for more of the same. So do people like Spence. If I lived in Bridgeport, I'd assume that anything would be better than what's currently running the show, which is liberalism.

I want to be a life coach for these people. Here's what I would tell every single one of them..."if you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the solution is, look in the bible". (there are other solutions, of course, such as responsibility and hard work and empathy for your neighbors, but IMHO the bible establishes those things very well)

Liberals take the exact opposite approach. Blacks, having been anointed with "victim" status by liberals, are therefore told that nothing they do is ever their fault. The problem always lies with someone else, preferably a white man in a Brooks Brothers suit. And the solution is more gubmint. Because that has worked SO WELL in cities like Hartford and Bridgeport (in CT), where pure liberalism has run un-checked for 30 years. And by every conceivable measure, it has been a miserable failure. But you won't see Spence admit that. Liberals will tell you that cities are worse off, because they haven't gone far enough down the liberal path...because as we all know, the best way to get out of a hole is to keep diggng, right?

I don't get why people don't respond to actual, real-life, empirical evidence.

At this point , that's what they are being used as. I'm pretty sure the Republicans know why they get a small percentage of the black vote and Democrats should be ashamed of themselves
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BINGO AGAIN.

The ironic thing, is that it's the principles of conservatism (the right of the individual to thrive, small governmemt, free market, compassion for the needy, personal responsibility, and the right of all of us to climg th eeconomic ladder) that is PRECISELY what poor peopl eneed to climb out of this.

Democrats have crippled these people by making them adddicted to welfare - just enough to stay alive, not nearly the tools to get ahead. Then every November, the liberals say "vote for me if you want to continue getting freebies, because my opponent will take the freebies away from you".

As you said, the democrats should be ashamed. The results speak for themselves. And there is no ambiguity in the results.

I wasn't sure what the definition of racism is so I decided to look at wikipedia:

1st paragraph

"Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently"

I wasn't sure what the definition of racism is so I decided to look at wikipedia:

1st paragraph

"Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently"

There is no doubt there is racism all over this case . Created racism. But it appears that racism was not a factor in this case. I for one am sick of Caucasians being perceived as racist when it simply isn't the case.
By the way speaking the truth isn't racism
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I wasn't sure what the definition of racism is so I decided to look at wikipedia:

1st paragraph

"Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently"

What's your point, exactly? That there is a thing called 'racism'? We agree on that.

No wonder the Repubs. get such a small amount of the black vote (and then wonder why).

Jeez,I wonder

Do you suppose it is because they have an inclination to vote for the candidate who promises the most benefits from the public treasury.? It certainly is not for protection from murdering their own kind at a rate which angers themselves,but not enough to change.

I'd like to see a camera mounted on police guns. The moment the gun gets pulled out of the holster, the camera starts recording Video and audio. If the gun is fired, it won't stop recording until the chip is full. That will put an end to all of the speculation of questionable killings.
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I wasn't sure what the definition of racism is so I decided to look at wikipedia:

1st paragraph

"Racism consists of both prejudice and discrimination based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently"

Well I took a page from yoru book, and looked up the word "gullable".

According to dictionary.com, it's an adjective that means "easily deceived". And by jimminy, that seems to describe all the bleeting sheep that immediately assume racism ("baaaah...raaaaacism!") every time the cop is white and the corpse is black.

Always protect the narrative...

If you took a page from my book, you wouldn't insult people as much;).

If you took a page from my book, you wouldn't insult people as much.

Lmao
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Now even out glorious governor has deemed it worthy to chime in on this event, following right along with the "popular" mob....err, crowd.....err..., I mean opinion!

Now when it is all over, after all the media hype has passed, after the National Guard has returned to their barracks, after the local businesses count up their losses for whatever insurance they have, after all the dust has cleared, we will probably see claims for FEMA $$ and claims that the city, state and government isn't doing enough to repair the damges fast enough!

Gee, maybe they'll have a telethon or release a "We are da world" song to raise money for ethic ignorance and awareness for the city?

Or maybe people will try to move and join the rest of the civilized world in the 21st century???

I'd like to see a camera mounted on police guns. The moment the gun gets pulled out of the holster, the camera starts recording Video and audio. If the gun is fired, it won't stop recording until the chip is full. That will put an end to all of the speculation of questionable killings.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/07/business/wearable-video-cameras-for-police-officers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0