http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/comment-page-1/

I wish i knew more about this stuff and can form an educated conversation, but then again it would just turn into another stressful thing.
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http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/obama-is-a-republican/comment-page-1/

Heard Bartlett on Stand-up last week. Interesting read...

This proves what I was saying the other day. There needs to be a VIABLE third option. As it is now, the whole system is corrupt and rigged.
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Obama was the biggest "dupe" ever pulled on the American people.

Change ? Hope???
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This proves what I was saying the other day. There needs to be a VIABLE third option. As it is now, the whole system is corrupt and rigged.
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I think we've had the third option all along. It's just that we drifted away from it and stumbled into the corrupt and rigged system that you hate. A system without a "soul" or place, as represented by Spence's Woa article. Reading it personified, for me, the phrase by Gertrude Stein "there's no there there."

Perhaps, the personification of a viable third option that you might more approve would be in another article in the same publication which the Woa article appeared:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/love-is-the-answer-to-empire/

Maybe not. But I, at least 90%, like it. It does portray something of personal value, and a place to live it.

A system without a "soul" or place, as represented by Spence's Woa article. Reading it personified, for me, the phrase by Gertrude Stein "there's no there there."


this is an ONION article right??

"I wrote a piece for the New Republic soon afterward about the Obamacon phenomenon—prominent conservatives and Republicans who were openly supporting Obama. Many saw in him a classic conservative temperament: someone who avoided lofty rhetoric, an ambitious agenda, and a Utopian vision that would conflict with human nature, real-world barriers to radical reform, and the American system of government."

"Race: In fact, Obama has seldom touched on the issue of race, and when he has he has emphasized the conservative themes of responsibility and self-help. Even when Republicans have suppressed minority voting, in a grotesque campaign to fight nonexistent... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/.... voter fraud, Obama has said and done nothing." http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation/watch/obama-speaks-out-against-voter-suppression-223854147986

Obama was the biggest "dupe" ever pulled on the American people.

Change ? Hope???
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I could never believe most of the American people had the wool pulled
over their eyes by him then, and some are still enthralled by him.
Gravitas/ Cool ???? Lincoln had neither, said what he meant, meant what he
said and became one of the best leaders we ever had.
Forget the wrappings.

I could never believe most of the American people had the wool pulled
over their eyes by him then.

it's not unprecedented in American history

this is an ONION article right??


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Spence, how are we supposed to view an article where the author says this..."In my opinion, Obama has governed as a moderate conservative".

Is this one of those "parody" articles? Or was the author on an acid trip when he wrote that?

Stimulus, Obamacare, appointing Sonya Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, adding trillions to the debt, resisting the exploitation of natural resources on public land,...yes, this agenda is right out of the "moderate conservative" manifesto.

John McCain is a moderate conservative. Obama is light years to the left of John McCain.

Vaclav Klaus, former president of the Czech Republic sums it up pretty concisely.


"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

There are now enough of "them" here and voting (illegally) to keep the "hope" alive.

I always wondered who exactly "them" was. I always thought it was code for "Blacks".

I always wondered who exactly "them" was. I always thought it was code for "Blacks".

I view "them" as the lazy, thoughtless, ignorant rabble. No skin color connotation.

Any does anyone wonder why the Repub. party has a compassion problem.

I don't wonder. I know
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I don't wonder. I know
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We have a compasison problem not because of what we say and do, but because of what some in the media claim that we say and do. And that works on "them", the thoughtless simpletons, who believe everything they hear on MSNBC, and never listen to what a Republican is actually saying.

Try reading this study, it shows that conservatives (who as a whole, have less money than liberals, which is intuitive given the liberal headquarters in Hollywood and the Upper West Side of Manhattan) give more money and time to charity, than liberals.

Nebe/Pauls, I'm not saying all conservatives are good, there are plenty of jerks. Nor am I saying that all liberals are bad, there are plenty of generous, loving liberals. What I'm saying is this...if you have bought into the liberal myth that liberals have a monopoly on compassion, then you have been duped and are officially part of "them", and you should demand more from yourself. Try listening to what Republicans are actually saying, as opposed to what Al Sharpton claims we are saying.

Try driving through any big city in Connecticut (Hartford, New Haven Bridgeport), and look at all the good that liberal policies have done for the poor. Because those places will not elect a Republican for anything, ever. Please tell me how the conservatives could possibly have done worse? I'm all ears...

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2682730&page=1

Liberal platform for dealing with black poverty...destroy the black culture by (1) providing financial incentives for black children to have more black children, and celebrating the fact that the nuclear family is an anachronism. Mock any attempts that conservatives make to change this behavior. (2) make blacks addicted to welfare, killing the intrinsic drive to be self-sufficient. Give them just enough welfare to postpone death, but not nearly enough to move up the economic ladder. Make blacks terrified that any elected Republican will kick them off welfare (it was OK for Bill Clinton to do that, but if a conservative does it, it's racist and lacks compassion (3) tell blacks that nothing they do is ever their fault, that it's all because of the white man, preferably a white man wearing a suit. In this way, liberals can feel as if they are helping, yet still not have to worry that blacks will be in line with them on the ferry to Marthas Vineyard.

Conservative platform for dealing with black poverty...stop the cycle of kids having kids. If someone has the ability to work, give them the tools they need to climb out of poverty on their own. If someone cannot work, take care of them the best we can. Teach them to be responsible and accountable and self-reliant.

The liberal way has been such a smashing success, i can see why you claim that my side lacks compassion, for suggesting that we try something else.

How much damage are you willing to let liberal ideology do to the black community, before admitting that we need to try a different approach?

I don't get it. I look at our cities, which are abject failures, and I say to myself "whatever policies have been implemented here, are clearly not working". I don't get how one could possibly arrive at a different conclusion, maybe Eben or Paul S can enlighten me.

I view "them" as the lazy, thoughtless, ignorant rabble. No skin color connotation.

^^^ Skin color means nothing to me. It's the people who have flocked here for the handouts and have learned how to live off of the system and not contribute to it. I agree, there are plenty who have left home to seek the american dream and have done so, but the american dream aint what it used to be.

I know a guy who claims he's legally blind, gets a check yet drives an Escalade and works construction on the side for cash as a helper. He can read the serial number on a $100 bill from across the room. His wife is disabled due to chronic back pain. These are "them" and there are millions of them and "they will vote for whoever will maintain the handout status.

Until the first election when Mr. Obama ran, none of "them" actually voted. Enter ACORN, fueled buy our palls Al and Jesse with the "tour of "education"" and voila, they're in and will stay in unless something major changes.

Any does anyone wonder why the Repub. party has a compassion problem.

You view it as compassion the Republicans view it as responsibility
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thoughtless, ignorant rabble?

thoughtless, ignorant rabble?

Yes. For example, anyone who thinks that Republicans have no compassion, could very accurately be described as "thoughtless", because it's something that is demonstrably false to anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty. One can only believe that if they only listen to something like MSNBC.

In my opinion, it's those who support liberal economic policies who care nothing for the poor. Here's why I say that. In the CT big cities (Hartford, Bridgeport, New Haven) there are alomost no elected Republicans anywhere. These places are literally as liberal as it gets. And they are hell-holes. In my opinion, anyone who looks at those places and concludes "yes, I want to continue the policies that directly created this Godforesaken sh*thole", cannot really care about the poor. Conservatives, like me, look at those cities and say "OK, liberalism has clearly failed these people, we need to try something else".

Liberals want more of the same for these people. Conservatives want to take a different approach, to try something that MAYBE will work better. People like you, call that "un-compassionate" on my part. Thats bullsh*t.

Try making that wrong.

Face it, you show no compassion here for anyone less fortunate than you. So they're ignorant rabble? :)
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Read an article a few months ago by a Dr. who describes how the "Underclass" is created. It starts with a breakdown of the Family and government gets them hooked on welfare.

Also makes the discinction between being "Poor" and impoverished.


http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/May-June14.pdf

Read an article a few months ago by a Dr. who describes how the "Underclass" is created. It starts with a breakdown of the Family and government gets them hooked on welfare.

Also makes the discinction between being "Poor" and impoverished.


http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/May-June14.pdf

right...a permanent dependent underclass to keep you in power and provide evidence regarding the success of your various "created" programs to keep them keeping you in power...from a Statist's point of view, growing numbers from any class dependent on their programs is evidence of success and cause for celebration and reason for creation or expansion of these and other programs which should keep them solidly in power....they are very proud of and will endlessly defend what they have created...it's like this....some look at it and think "this can't be good for our village"....others look at it and think "if we can create a bunch of these we can control the village FOREVER! bwwaaahaaahaaa"...Happy Halloween :laugha:

Face it, you show no compassion here for anyone less fortunate than you. So they're ignorant rabble? :)
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Paul, when I look at a failing big city, I say "these people deserve much better than this. The policies in place are not working, we need to try something else."

When you see these same failing cities, you say it's "not compassionate" to think we need to try different things.

I ask you to make that wrong, and you launch a baseless insult. It's all you can do, because you can't refute what I'm saying, I'm holding all the cards. Liberalism in this country NEEDS a large underclass, dependent of the government for everything, to maintain a sufficient voting block. You claim that's compassion?

I'll ask again, how can you possibly drive by a large failing city, and not conclude that we need to do something drastically different for these people? What we have in place isn't working, and in most places, what we have in place is pure liberalism. I dare you to make that wrong.

Try to respond with something other than racisthatecrimeintolerantwaronwomenkeepyourrosarie soffmyovaries.

right...a permanent dependent underclass to keep you in power and provide evidence regarding the success of your various "created" programs to keep them keeping you in power...from a Statist's point of view, growing numbers from any class dependent on their programs is evidence of success and cause for celebration and reason for creation or expansion of these and other programs which should keep them solidly in power....they are very proud of and will endlessly defend what they have created...it's like this....some look at it and think "this can't be good for our village"....others look at it and think "if we can create a bunch of these we can control the village FOREVER! bwwaaahaaahaaa"...Happy Halloween :laugha:

BINGO.

Even if someone didn't know anything about American politics, if one looks at these poor urban areas, the only compassionate conclusion would be "these people deserve better. Whatever policies are in place, whichever political party those policies originate from, are clearly not working, we need to try something radically different".

PaulS, this is not abstract theory. We have real, irrefutable, empirical evidence that shows what happens when liberal economic policies are in place. It is a disaster. Here in CT, we have some of the highest incomes in the nation. And we currently have one of the worst economic situations. Why? Because of two generations of pure, unchecked liberalism.

How do you begin to try making that wrong?

What Paul doesn't say is what Paul fears will happen if the spigot is shut off to the many people that are now dependent. I hear it from my liberal friends, it will get ugly.
It truly attest to what liberals think of the people that are now dependent. They are the true racists. Liberals are the ones that think less of people that are not equal to them. Liberals are the ones that think people cannot take care of themselves. They need to be fed and controlled.
Liberals have labeled people as not smart enough, not strong enough, not secure enough, not physically able, not up to the proper standard to support themselves.
It really is degrading, the liberal mentality
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What Paul doesn't say is what Paul fears will happen if the spigot is shut off to the many people that are now dependent. I hear it from my liberal friends, it will get ugly.
It truly attest to what liberals think of the people that are now dependent. They are the true racists. Liberals are the ones that think less of people that are not equal to them. Liberals are the ones that think people cannot take care of themselves. They need to be fed and controlled.
Liberals have labeled people as not smart enough, not strong enough, not secure enough, not physically able, not up to the proper standard to support themselves.
It really is degrading, the liberal mentality
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Labels? Was I the one with the labels in this post? Lazy, rabble, etc. Those poor underclass, so stupid to know they are being used.
They're just lazy, right?
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What is the hero of the right Clive Bundy up to lately?
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What Paul doesn't say is what Paul fears will happen if the spigot is shut off to the many people that are now dependent. I hear it from my liberal friends, it will get ugly.
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Bill Clinton cut off the spigot, he literally kicked millions of people off welfare. What happened? They went back to work. And today, Clinton is hailed as a hero to blacks. Yet if a white Republican says such things out loud, they are labeled racist. You can't make this crap up, you just can't.

Liberalism has destroyed, completely destroyed, black culture in this country (it started with the extinction of the black nuclear family, the rest was inevitable). The tragic, ironic thing, is that what the Tea Party espouses (traditional family values, self-reliance, individual responsibility, the free market) is precisely what the black community needs to embrace to climb out of poverty. Yet the Tea Party is labeled racist, because today in this country, it's considered "progressive" to give blacks $400 a month in welfare, rather than getting them a good job. It's just working awesome in our big cities.

Yet the Tea Party is labeled racist, because today in this country, it's considered "progressive" to give blacks $400 a month in welfare, rather than getting them a good job. It's just working awesome in our big cities.

actually, they are labeled racist because most racists gravitate to the party. :rolleyes:

actually, they are labeled racist because most racists gravitate to the party. :rolleyes:

I can't dispute that. However, that's racists showing how stupid they are. I'm wicked smaht. If I was a racist, if I wanted to see destruction brought to blacks, I'd vote Democrats across the board. As I said, look at the big cities. Most run by Democrats, most are colossal failures.

Try making that wrong?

I learned from SB.com that liberals make more money, like to raise taxes (which shows how stupid they are as they don't realize they have to pay those high taxes), give the money away to "those" ( I think "those" is really another word for Black) people, who are too stupid to realize that the liberals are only doing it so they become dependent on those handouts and thus have to vote for liberals so their handouts continue. They probably are too stupid to realize that the cities they live in are "colossal failures".
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I learned from SB.com that liberals make more money, like to raise taxes (which shows how stupid they are as they don't realize they have to pay those high taxes), give the money away to "those" ( I think "those" is really another word for Black) people, who are too stupid to realize that the liberals are only doing it so they become dependent on those handouts and thus have to vote for liberals so their handouts continue. They probably are too stupid to realize that the cities they live in are "colossal failures".
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or maybe not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSRZo1BE5o

Just remember. It's the gop's agenda to dupe it's base of supporters into believing that the poor people in this country are solely poor because they are lazy bums s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the teet provided by liberals. What they won't tell you is that so many of our country is poor due to the lack of good jobs that were once here and that the real reason that they are gone is that they were shipped off to china so that another lazy bum could make an extra million or two a day. Yet it's all the liberals fault for providing a safety net for those who are out of work in their small town because the factory closed that employed 1/4 of the towns population.

The 1% are laughing themselves to the bank.
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Just remember. It's the gop's agenda to dupe it's base of supporters into believing that the poor people in this country are solely poor because they are lazy bums s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the teet provided by liberals. What they won't tell you is that so many of our country is poor due to the lack of good jobs that were once here and that the real reason that they are gone is that they were shipped off to china so that another lazy bum could make an extra million or two a day. Yet it's all the liberals fault for providing a safety net for those who are out of work in their small town because the factory closed that employed 1/4 of the towns population.

The 1% are laughing themselves to the bank.
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yep, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the "leaders" that these guys are talking about would predictably say.....and have been repeating for the last 50 years...:sleeps:


"Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs" Hillary 2016

Just remember. It's the gop's agenda to dupe it's base of supporters into believing that the poor people in this country are solely poor because they are lazy bums s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the teet provided by liberals. What they won't tell you is that so many of our country is poor due to the lack of good jobs that were once here and that the real reason that they are gone is that they were shipped off to china so that another lazy bum could make an extra million or two a day. Yet it's all the liberals fault for providing a safety net for those who are out of work in their small town because the factory closed that employed 1/4 of the towns population.

The 1% are laughing themselves to the bank.
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"lack of good jobs that were once here and that the real reason that they are gone is that they were shipped off to china "

That's true, but it's hardly the fault of the GOP. The economy became global, and that was that.

"It's the gop's agenda to dupe it's base of supporters into believing that the poor people in this country are solely poor because they are lazy bums "

I'm not sure where you get your information from, but you might want to re-consider where you get you information on what the GOP's agenda is.

Let's be clear. Many people's poverty is no fault of their own. And many people are poor as a direct result of the stupid decisions they made along the way.

The GOP agenda is to allow as many people as possible, to be successful. The liberal agenda is designed around creating a large, permanent underclass. Because if all those poor people became successful, the first thing they'd do is vote Republican. Common sense.

Again, it's interesting that Bill Clinton realized that millions were abusing the system, he kicked millions of them off welfare, and today, he's a hero of the left.

They probably are too stupid to realize that the cities they live in are "colossal failures".
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Let's be clear, shall we? Do you deny those cities are colossal failures? Yes or no?

BOY are you backed into a corner!

The 1% are laughing themselves to the bank.
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Boy, you have a real axe to grind with successful people, don't you?

So Bill Clinton kicked millions off the welfare and nothing happened - it didn't get ugly? I read that to mean there would be riots. Maybe you've misread the "thoughtless, ignorant rabble" you talk about.

The cities are where the poor go - that is where all the social service agencies are located (unless we're talking about the Hasidic Jews who have a very high poverty rate). That is why they have problems. How is that "backed into a corner"?

So what is the GOP's stance on raising the minimum wage? Can someone be "successful" working 40 hours per week and making minimum wage?

I'm "successful" and the GOP left me.

Tell us more how the Tea Party and the "Black community" should be natural allies - this should be funny.

But not "wicked" successful.

Paul… What part of, you are not supposed to make a career flipping burgers ,don't you understand??? Unless you are saying these people are incapable of working their way up the ladder . Is that what you mean ? Raising the minimum wage just becomes another employer paid social program if you truly feel those in these jobs have reached their potential . That my friend , is not the GOP position
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With the lack of factory jobs, flipping burgers has become a career. Yes, unfortunately I think certain people are not capable of working their way up the ladder. You and I have both dealt with them. The bill is $5.77, you give them a $10 and then they enter the $10 into the computer system and see you get back $4.23 and then you give them $1.02 so can get $5.25 back and they have no idea what to do.

They are never going to have what you and I may consider to be a great life but they deserve to have an ok life. I don't think a McDonald's worker deserves $15/hour but a min. wage that was indexed to inflation (I think it would be $10.xx now) might be sufficient.

Just remember. It's the gop's agenda to dupe it's base of supporters into believing that the poor people in this country are solely poor because they are lazy bums s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the teet provided by liberals. What they won't tell you is that so many of our country is poor due to the lack of good jobs that were once here and that the real reason that they are gone is that they were shipped off to china so that another lazy bum could make an extra million or two a day. Yet it's all the liberals fault for providing a safety net for those who are out of work in their small town because the factory closed that employed 1/4 of the towns population.

The 1% are laughing themselves to the bank.
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Man, you have actually bought into the Democrat talking points that the jobs are all gone because of the Republicans. How has the 1% made out during the last 6 years with a Democrat in the Peoples house, control of the Senate and control of the House for 4 years??

Fishpart, I think I have read that the top 1% have gotten like 90% of the income gains since Pres. Obama has been in office.

Paul, You may go to the head of the class!!

Once U C the wage go to 12-15 bucks if ever U will C automation such as robots etc:...already there R machines that can do the work of a burger flipper putting the burger, tomato, lettuce mustard etc: on a bun... it is coming in the future...Lowes just introduced a robot that will direct U to the product U need....experimental...my azz its here to stay ...good bye lowes, walmarts welcomers.

So Bill Clinton kicked millions off the welfare and nothing happened - it didn't get ugly? I read that to mean there would be riots. Maybe you've misread the "thoughtless, ignorant rabble" you talk about.

The cities are where the poor go - that is where all the social service agencies are located (unless we're talking about the Hasidic Jews who have a very high poverty rate). That is why they have problems. How is that "backed into a corner"?

So what is the GOP's stance on raising the minimum wage? Can someone be "successful" working 40 hours per week and making minimum wage?

I'm "successful" and the GOP left me.

Tell us more how the Tea Party and the "Black community" should be natural allies - this should be funny.

'So Bill Clinton kicked millions off the welfare and nothing happened - it didn't get ugly?"

No,they went back to work. And no one accuses Clinton of lacking compassion.

"The cities are where the poor go - that is where all the social service agencies are located (unless we're talking about the Hasidic Jews who have a very high poverty rate). That is why they have problems."

I grew up poor. I knew lots of poor people. We didn't live the way people live in these cities, it's almost a 3rd world situation. It's more than poverty, it's a breakdown in culture. Nice dodge.

"what is the GOP's stance on raising the minimum wage?"

The GOP's stance is this (and why don't you know this?) - not every job in our economy is designed to be able to support a family on. The GOP's stance is that the solution here, is to give people the skills and tools they need to climb the ladder, not to artificially designate the economic value of a job (though I'm OK with raising the minimum wage a bit). We can't pay busboys $35k a year just because we think it's just to do so.

"I'm "successful" and the GOP left me."

How, specifically? What does the GOP stand for today, that it didn't stand for 20 years ago?

"Tell us more how the Tea Party and the "Black community" should be natural allies "

Here's how - more accurately "why" - they should be allies - the Tea Party wants all black people to be rich - on their own, that is. The liberals want to keep them addicted to welfare. The Tea Party agenda is a game plan for how huge numbers of impoverished blacks can become self-sufficient. It's not complicated, Paul.

With the lack of factory jobs, flipping burgers has become a career. Yes, unfortunately I think certain people are not capable of working their way up the ladder. You and I have both dealt with them. The bill is $5.77, you give them a $10 and then they enter the $10 into the computer system and see you get back $4.23 and then you give them $1.02 so can get $5.25 back and they have no idea what to do.

They are never going to have what you and I may consider to be a great life but they deserve to have an ok life. I don't think a McDonald's worker deserves $15/hour but a min. wage that was indexed to inflation (I think it would be $10.xx now) might be sufficient.

"they deserve to have an ok life"

Well said and true. Not everyone can have a big house. But we all deserve a place to live that is clean, comfortable, and safe. Sadly, we have a long, long ways to go, on that we can agree.

Most people - not everyone, but most - can do better than flipping burgers. Here in CT, we have state universities that will admit you if you have a "C" average in high school, and you can get a degree in nursing - bingo - set for life. And that's attainable for the vast majority of Americans - not everybody, but the vast majority.

Jim in CT- unfortunately I have had a few hospital stays in my life and trust me the last thing I want is to be cared for by some "C" average nurse that is only in the profession because someone told them that they could become a nurse and "Be set for life". The medical field is already has enough people in it "for the money" so to speak. I have a major beef with this. If you don't get in it because you want to heal people and have that passion you should find another profession!

Trust me if you don't already know what I mean by this I hope you never have to experience what its like to be on the receiving end of medical care from someone who is there soley for a paycheck and doesn't give 2 #^&#^&#^&#^&s about your well being!

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Yet the Tea Party is labeled racist, because today in this country, it's considered "progressive" to give blacks $400 a month in welfare, rather than getting them a good job. It's just working awesome in our big cities. http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2014/09/29/bankruptcy-judge-expected-rule-water-shut-offs/16414323/

actually, they are labeled racist because most racists gravitate to the party. :rolleyes:

trying to make sense of this.....sooo.....between 51% and 100% of racists gravitate to the Tea Party in it's various forms? Is this ALL racist or is this racists that are registered to vote(politically active racists)? Just curious how you arrived at such a statement(label)? By your labeling standards can we label the dems "criminal" because "most" criminals gravitate to the party given their soft stance on crime and punishment and support of felon voting etc?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement there is quite a bit in here regarding the tea party...I don't see it or "them" labeled "racist" beyond accusations by....well.......surprise..


Perceptions of the Tea Party
The movement has been called partly conservative,[5] partly libertarian,[3] and partly populist.[4]
The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates circa 2009.[6][7][8] Since the movement's inception, in the late 00's, left wing groups have accused the party of racism and intolerance.[267][268] Left leaning opponents have cited various incidents as evidence that the movement is, in their opinion, propelled by various forms of bigotry.[267][268] Supporters say the incidents are isolated acts attributable to a small fringe that is not representative of the movement.


Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.

-- George Orwell, "Politics and the English Language" (1946)

Jim in CT- unfortunately I have had a few hospital stays in my life and trust me the last thing I want is to be cared for by some "C" average nurse that is only in the profession because someone told them that they could become a nurse and "Be set for life". The medical field is already has enough people in it "for the money" so to speak. I have a major beef with this. If you don't get in it because you want to heal people and have that passion you should find another profession!

Trust me if you don't already know what I mean by this I hope you never have to experience what its like to be on the receiving end of medical care from someone who is there soley for a paycheck and doesn't give 2 #^&#^&#^&#^&s about your well being!

So TRUE Jenn.

Jim in CT- unfortunately I have had a few hospital stays in my life and trust me the last thing I want is to be cared for by some "C" average nurse that is only in the profession because someone told them that they could become a nurse and "Be set for life". The medical field is already has enough people in it "for the money" so to speak. I have a major beef with this. If you don't get in it because you want to heal people and have that passion you should find another profession!

Trust me if you don't already know what I mean by this I hope you never have to experience what its like to be on the receiving end of medical care from someone who is there soley for a paycheck and doesn't give 2 #^&#^&#^&#^&s about your well being!

The F and D average men and women end up in the military. And when they retire they end up in the senate :hihi:
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The F and D average men and women end up in the military. And when they retire they end up in the senate :hihi:
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Is that supposed to be funny ?
The last part maybe
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The F and D average men and women end up in the military. And when they retire they end up in the senate :hihi:
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The military is an outstanding option for folks who get Ds and Fs. Unfirtunately, most of those who get Fs don't go in the military, far more go on welfare.

The other issue is this, too many of those kids are getting Fs and Ds. Many of those kids could at least get Bs and Cs, if they had parents at home who gave a crap. That's the root of the problem, and it's irrefutably been exacerbated by liberal policies. If you give teenagers a financial and cultural incentive to have babies, guess what? More will have babies. And that's bad.

True!
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The F and D average men and women end up in the military. And when they retire they end up in the senate :hihi:
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Navy..
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I was joking, but Jim hit it home.
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