I love the team,but it is a huge embarrassment for the organization to have this come out as the truth. Especially now.

Horrible! Bradley, and New England for that matter, looks up to this team as great leaders and true champions. :yak5:


To quote MSN sports
*If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, the victory is now tainted and completely meaningless. If the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, they have been exposed for the frauds that they are and are completely incapable of winning without cheating, and justice has been done.*

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deflategate-altering-the-narrative/ar-AA8pFf6

I would love to know what the pressure of the Colts balls were. Many teams use slightly under inflated balls in horrible rainy weather. Was a common practice even in High School. The ref checked them, saw they were low, didn't give a crap, since it's common place, and said play ball.

But seriously I bet the Colts balls were also low,,,,,,

i can't see this ending well.

Can't wait for the rest of the story. Just the fact that there is even a rule about ball pressure in the NFL Rule book means that ball pressure deviation has always been a common practice over the years. I'm betting that at one time every team did it based on weather conditions/personal preference. It was probably a rule that no one really cared about and was probably not a big deal because each team uses their own balls. I was researching this a little and found that underinflated balls are harder to throw and catch, but easier to grip.

I want to know how much they were deflated, in terms of psi. Have you ever felt the difference in 1 psi or 2 psi? Give me a break.

I can't wait to see how this all shakes out. I doubt Belichek knew anything about it. From what I understand the QB, backup QB and other staff are the ones that handle breaking in the balls, selecting balls, designating game balls vs. kicking balls etc.

Brady has said in the past that he likes underinflated (foot)balls. The Pats could have been forced to use a basketball and they still would have easily won. However, given their history it is an embarrassment as SeaDangles said.

Loving it....
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I am a disappointed Patriots fan. Not going to try to defend this one....
But, a few questions. Minimum PSI is 12.5 by rule. One pound less is approximately 8%. I would like to hold two footballs, one inflated to 12.5, the other at 11.5, to see how much of a noticeable difference there is. If my paycheck is 8% light, I am going to notice it...

How did the officials miss it? They handle the ball more than the QB. How is it that game balls are in possession of the team during the game, after the pre game inspection? If there is a chance to alter the ball for a competitive advantage, should it not be in the possession of some party without a vested interest? (ie. a rep/employee of the NFL)

The NFL has some serious work ahead of it to review their competitive controls, rules, and oversight. Not like they don't have the money....

A fish that measures 1/8 inch under is still a short......period.

I agree Nightfighter - I think this is taking awhile because the NFL is also questioning game officials.

here we go again...I'm sure this stuff has been going on a long time...with every team in the NFL...not that it's right...the Ref's have a lot of explaining to do... they should have been able to tell the difference between the foot balls the Colt's were using and the balls the Pat's were using...if it REALLY makes a difference..or they simply didn't care because EVERY team sets them the way they want...again. Not condoning it or making excuses. The rules ARE the rules. They are there for a reason... whatever the finding.. there is no "happy ending" as far as I'm concerned...the whole thing is sad... on so many levels... Especially when the NFL is more worried about deflated balls than they are about drug use and domestic violence... or even players stomping on other fallen players... it ALMOST makes me want to watch soccer (not)...

signed: a deflated Pat's fan...

If what I just read is true, 11 of 12 balls were 2 lbs low. I would imagine we can kiss a 1st round pick and about 2 million Pats/Belichick dollars goodbye. Media day is going to be more annoying than usual this year.

how convenient for only part of the investigation to come out. is the nfl the source? or someone at espn with a source? I heard that the Colts balls were all within the 12.5 and 13.5 range of psi.
The officials are given the balls 2 hours before the game and they check the psi, well did they add psi if needed? the balls go in the bag and are given to the ball boy 4 minutes before the game. I find it difficult to believe that with all the cameras these days that someone on the Patriots accessed the bag of balls during the game or the few minutes before and let air out, that is to be determined I guess. The investigators should review the all 22's.
Labeled as cheaters and the court of public opinion is really hurting this franchise. Now everything is in question all over again.

They should measure the field, check the goalposts, put in cameras everywhere to check up on the cheaters and on and on

it's pretty sad

this superbowl is now a lose lose situation, if they win, they cheated, if they lose, it's because they got caught cheating.
this distraction is going to make it so much more difficult to win this championship.

If they deflated them, it is so disappointing, there is no need for it especially considering what they have been punished for already

When measuring the pressure in a tire there are times when three measurements are needed. It is possible that the football gauge or needle was faulty at that time of measurement. Do the gauges get tested per US standards of measurements.
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Discussions of punishment are bringing up Sean Payton's one year suspension as a comp for BB, should he be found culpable, condoning, or directly involved.... Franchise, owner, and coach are now going to be judged as repeat offenders.
Time to turn off sport radio and TV for the next 12 days....

Inflate the balls to a league minimum 2 1/2 hours before the game time and it's 70° and then go outside and play with the balls at 40° they are going to be below the minimum. The officials are given a pump and they are supposed to maintain the pressure of the balls.
I wouldn't call it cheating I would call it shrewd.
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In all honesty, I think its envy. With out a doubt the patriots are the best managed team on and off the field. And I say this as a person born in NYC and a life long giants fan. The cry babies in the NFL should work harder to become better, rather than seeking every little way to attack the patriots. Unfortunately, I think they probably did deflate the balls (footballs). It doesn't matter what other teams do according to the rules it is illegal. The patriots are smart and talented enough to win with out breaking the rules. Doing things like this just gives the sore sports like the raven coach who was out coached by not knowing the rules. As contrasted to the colts who didn't have the talent to compete with the patriots. As a giant fan I respect the patriots. Beside my wife is the biggest pats fan around and I dare not root against her boys. She screams yells she calls Tom Mr. Bunchen when he screws up, she gives our dogs cookies when they score touchdowns. She hates Phil Simms because she thinks he doesn't like the patriots. She swears better than a sailor, During a pats game she can use the F word as an adjective, noun, verb or action verb. She morphs into a different person. I will root for the belicheck bunch or risk bodily harm.

Innocent until proven guilty.
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Next years Colts vs Patriots game will be an even more beatdown, like 60 to nothing. And it is in Foxboro :D

Just wait... Wait for it..... Wait for it.....

Viagra commercial with patriots coming soon.

You heard it here first. From nebestradomous
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Inflate the balls to a league minimum 2 1/2 hours before the game time and it's 70° and then go outside and play with the balls at 40° they are going to be below the minimum. The officials are given a pump and they are supposed to maintain the pressure of the balls.
I wouldn't call it cheating I would call it shrewd.
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Hey, I'm a NY Giants fan and all the Jet fans down here are stirring on this one. But I think you nailed it and that was exactly my response when I first heard it. So BB gives a bunch of balls of different pressure to TB and the recievers and asks which they would prefer given the weather forecast. There is wiggle room in the spec and BB will always find it. It's on the NFL, not the Pats.

Innocent until proven guilty.
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Guilty
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Inflate the balls to a league minimum 2 1/2 hours before the game time and it's 70° and then go outside and play with the balls at 40° they are going to be below the minimum. The officials are given a pump and they are supposed to maintain the pressure of the balls.
I wouldn't call it cheating I would call it shrewd.
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You are so reaching there is not enough elemental exposure to cause such an atrocity, that points already been brought up and deflated by experts...

Bottom line 11 out of 12 they cheated enough said. What a sh*t dynasty... i hope they pull the trip to the sbowl away from them.
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Next years Colts vs Patriots game will be an even more beatdown, like 60 to nothing. And it is in Foxboro :D

Is that 60 PSI?
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Could have won with SOAP for balls! :)

http://nesn.com/2015/01/colts-dwayne-allen-patriots-couldve-played-with-soap-for-balls-and-beat-us/

I find it highly Ironic that this is the first time the footballs
were inspected and found to be missing air.
why now
....and on the last game that decides who goes to the S-B.
We didn't need to do this to win so it is HIGHLY suspicious. the timing.
IF the ref's signed off on the balls then the Pat's were in compliance.

Can't wait for the rest of the story. Just the fact that there is even a rule about ball pressure in the NFL Rule book means that ball pressure deviation has always been a common practice over the years. I'm betting that at one time every team did it based on weather conditions/personal preference. It was probably a rule that no one really cared about and was probably not a big deal because each team uses their own balls. I was researching this a little and found that underinflated balls are harder to throw and catch, but easier to grip.

As I understand it, it goes back to the days of Al Davis in Oakland. He was "alleged" to provide dead balls to the visiting team. He was also accused of having balls partially filled with helium to assist his world class punter, Ray Guy, who is the only punter in the HoF (well, the only pure punter, anyway).

Not condoning this but this is a systemwide issue, like the taping, that the Pats are getting called on. Most / some / many are doing it - the Pats got caught. There should be repercussions.

This is not betting on football outcomes, this is not putting bounties on other players to injure, or using performance enhancing drugs - this is lower level stuff. Like cheating in NASCAR. Or turning off the heat in the visitors locker room. Or manipulating the volume of stadium noise in Indy. I am not condoning what the Pat's are accused of but I am trying to de-sensationalize this a bit.

People are pointing to other situations where this has happened - not sure how true or not - but it is clear that the Refs should manage the game balls. What we are also doing is a lot of speculating. Hearing a lot of interviews and statements by other QBs seems this might be more common than some state.

The NFL has not stated what their findings are nor have they shown the entire process that took place. There are multiple places where this can change deliberately or not (though not likely) as well as the quality of the inspections / inspection processes.

At the end of the day this is a lot of spiel about a minor item. To think that the Patriots are the only team with a bag of tricks in use is a little foolish. Messing with the footballs may be a little common place too across many teams.

Again, not condoning their actions that may or may not (though unlikely) happened but a proper investigation needs to go all along.

You are so reaching there is not enough elemental exposure to cause such an atrocity, that points already been brought up and deflated by experts...

Bottom line 11 out of 12 they cheated enough said. What a sh*t dynasty... i hope they pull the trip to the sbowl away from them.
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What happened in the second half ?
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Guilty
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Haha It's OK,didn't know you are also judge and jury.haha
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Innocent until proven guilty.
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I'm with Skippy, as I think least the majority of the country will be.
The damage is already done.
Most won't stick around to hear the outcome or the vindication. They will be on to the next great sportsing event or media created world crisis and everyone will forever label them as cheaters.

The overblown out of proportion hype this accusation by a losing team causing the NFL to begin a Warren Commission like investigation is simply mind blowing.

all because of negative history that won't leave the team ever

sad day in Patriot land


You are right John, the team is cooperating fully, not like the Saints bountygate.

it's rediculous

they are tired of what the Pats have and continue to accomplish and jealous they aren't as good

Yes FF, the court of public opinion is opposite a real courtroom

Once it is said, you can't unsay it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FAT_pRqo3w#t=90

gotta love fitzy

Either way I think it's such a joke.....the main thing is, it's ruining my enjoyment of my team in the SuperBowl. Just let me enjoy this......tough to do.

Either way I think it's such a joke.....the main thing is, it's ruining my enjoyment of my team in the SuperBowl. Just let me enjoy this......tough to do.

I totally agree Mugz . This really has become a nation of fun vac's.
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Inflate the balls to a league minimum 2 1/2 hours before the game time and it's 70° and then go outside and play with the balls at 40° they are going to be below the minimum. The officials are given a pump and they are supposed to maintain the pressure of the balls.
I wouldn't call it cheating I would call it shrewd.
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I thought of that; but were the Colts balls 2lbs under then too?

This is a non-issue in the win over the colts, but remains indicative of the culture there...

Supid story or not I got a feeling Bill B is looking at a year suspension being 2 time offender.

Hockey has specific rules about the curve of your stick...you can use whatever curve you want until the other team challenges it and the ref measures it...if it's illegal, you get a 2 min penalty...then you are free again...baseball has the spit, grease, vaseline pitcher issue that you get ejected/suspended for. The players in the field use dirt in their glove to skuff up the ball as much as possible for the pitcher, when ump sees too much rash, they change balls. The batters use too much pine tar, corked bats etc, those are fine and suspension worthy... Basketball the ref drops the ball from waist to see how high it bounces up before a game, not too scientific?? All the rules are bent and broken...Pats did it and got caught...they aren't the only ones that do it but they got caught and will be made an example of...it sucks. If this is such a big deal, why doesn't the NFL provide the balls? Why does the home and away team bring their own balls to a game? Seems stupid to me...this isn't bowling...everyone should have to use the same ball provided by the league...
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[url]https://

gotta love fitzy


Pretty funny! :jester:

Haha It's OK,didn't know you are also judge and jury.haha
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You forgot executioner! :bshake:

What happened in the second half ?
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Not sure of your question?

If temperature was such an issue they should have had people in the parking lot where it was colder inflating peoples tires..... :wall:

If what I just read is true, 11 of 12 balls were 2 lbs low. I would imagine we can kiss a 1st round pick and about 2 million Pats/Belichick dollars goodbye. Media day is going to be more annoying than usual this year.

#1 this is reported! #2 the reporter conveniently fails to mention the additional 12 balls.
The entire thing sounds like a pile of crap. All the way around. Not buying the insidious cloak and dagger stuff.
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Not sure of your question?

If temperature was such an issue they should have had people in the parking lot where it was colder inflating peoples tires..... :wall:

Pats scored 28 unanswered points in the second half. Clearly the ball wasnt an issue.

Your tire analogy is a bit extreme .Kinda like all the bass will be gone if charter-boats get 2@33" ;) Go look at your boat trailer tires in the cold, they look like they are flat. It's a fact , air expands with temperature.
Hater
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Every major college team manipulates the footballs as does all 32 NFL teams. Its an unwrittten part of the game. Aaron Rogers came out and said how he overinflates the game balls and hopes he doesn't get caught. Eli Manning has the game balls manipulated for months before they put them into service. Does this make it right? No. Should there be a punishment? Yes. But the balls should be controlled by the NFL up until kick off. The system is flawed.
I doubt most NFL players could tell the difference between 13.5 psi and 11.5 psi. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion and the Pats are victims of their decade plus stretch of success.

Pats scored 28 unanswered points in the second half. Clearly the ball wasnt an issue.

Your tire analogy is a bit extreme .Kinda like all the bass will be gone if charter-boats get 2@33" ;) Go look at your boat trailer tires in the cold, they look like they are flat. It's a fact , air expands with temperature.
Hater
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That is over time hot cold hot cold . There was not enough time for this to happen and the tire analogy and dead on.

Hater yes. I am a hater cause i dont like cheaters and that is what they have been about for the last decade or so.

The NFL will be a much better place with out BB and princess brady.. Cant wait for that jack a55 Kraft to go away as well.

Oh and lets not ruin a great thread by bringing the Striper debate into it. Keep that BS for the longest circular thread on SB.
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Substitute the word winners for cheaters in the above
Jealousy will do that
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...and everyone will forever label them as cheaters.

You are absolutely correct Mike.

Substitute the word winners for cheaters in the above
Jealousy will do that
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Personally i respect winners just not the cheating kind. To this day it amazes me how blind Pats fans are to the truth, reminds me of the old Cowboys days.
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Either way I think it's such a joke.....the main thing is, it's ruining my enjoyment of my team in the SuperBowl. Just let me enjoy this......tough to do.

EXACTLY, it wasn't even 24 hours to enjoy, celebrate another championship and trip to the superbowl. it pisses me off.
The stigma of spygate never goes away, now this crap being blown out of proportion will just exasperate anything and everything about cheating and destroy the accomplishments while every yahoo chimes in around the country blasting the organization/coach/owner/QB whatever. Sports fans love controversy I guess, or media does.

? All the rules are bent and broken...Pats did it and got caught...they aren't the only ones that do it but they got caught and will be made an example of...it sucks. If this is such a big deal, why doesn't the NFL provide the balls? Why does the home and away team bring their own balls to a game? Seems stupid to me...this isn't bowling...everyone should have to use the same ball provided by the league...
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They tried that and the QB's all complained up and down, the brand new balls have a film on them and it affects how you can grip it, that is why they now let them break them in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84359240&v=Hd3oqvnDKQk&x-yt-ts=1421782837

ironic but fitting title

What's the bigger issue 2lbs of air or a guy beating the crap out of his girlfriend and dragging her out of the elevator like a road kill blocking his SUV? Patriots are a team the league loves to hate and unfortunately for us, the league as an image issue on not dealing with things, so we are going to be screwed next year for sure.

It really sucks to have such a great year of accomplishments tainted by a NON-issue, deflated balls wouldn't have impacted that game or any other to the extend people suspect. I know it's not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a blowout win for the Pats make a statement to everyone.

At least I got a laugh listening to 105.7 and a paraday sung to the AC/DC song big balls, go listen http://www.wror.com you will too.

Shoot a huge deer and the jelouse haters cone out of the woods with BS accusations .
Catch a record fish .. Ditto
Be the best team in a decade ....
Speaks more to the character of the haters and those that are successful. Pathetic
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Remember WWF? it was scripted to generate a soap opera type plot. The scripts created heros and villains.

Who's to say this isn't all scripted? I'm always the skeptic.. Sorry.
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You mean to tell me that Wrestling is scripted?

If Brady didn't throw an interception with a deflated ball that is supposedly used to give him an advantage....would this be a story right now?
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You mean to tell me that Wrestling is scripted?

Yes.
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Personally i respect winners just not the cheating kind. To this day it amazes me how blind Pats fans are to the truth, reminds me of the old Cowboys days.
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Is this why you hate George Brett?
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After hearing BB press conference statement, it will fall to hearing from TB about his personal preferences, which is where BB left it to play out, IMO. So next up under the microscope will be TB and Josh McDaniels I would think....

The press conference was interesting. Said he has never heard anything about deflating footballs. Kind of debunks the report from yesterday that the Colts reported it to the NFL after the November game. If they did and the NFL didn't contact Belichek it falls into the NFLs lap. Brady will be talking at 4pm today.

The press conference was interesting. Said he has never heard anything about deflating footballs. Kind of debunks the report from yesterday that the Colts reported it to the NFL after the November game.

He cheated before, he may be lying now. I agree with the sentiment that this isn't on the same level as the systematic stealing of other teams play calls by video. Both teams played with the deflated balls. One team knowing the other teams plays clearly destroys the integrity of the game.

He cheated before, he may be lying now. I agree with the sentiment that this isn't on the same level as the systematic stealing of other teams play calls by video. Both teams played with the deflated balls. One team knowing the other teams plays clearly destroys the integrity of the game.

Every team did the video taping too. It made no difference then and it makes no difference now.
A bunch of drama over nothing .
Nobody cares what losing teams do . This wouldn't have been mentioned if Indy won
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0

this is funny



I heard Seattle lined up with an illegal formation 6 man wedge on the onside kick. therefore we should be playing GB in the superbowl.


Yes the integrity is in question by all the haters out there
any of the nuts comparing this to bountygate are delusional, this is not anything close to hurting any players, more like jay walking if guilty but since it's the ex-cons, the Patriots, it gets blown out of proportion.

I look at this as something everybody does, and the refs just let it go......until someone whines like a little Bi-atch (pick a colt).

Look at baseball, pitchers are not supposed to use anything foreign on a baseball, yet they always have a little something in their glove or on their arm and it never gets made into a big deal......unless someone whines. The Umps really just accept it and move on.....because they are all doing it.

Skippy just sour because the only championship he gets to cheer on is the crowd noise bowl....and Seattle just took that title away from them :hihi:
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it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0

this is funny


I called it !
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it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

Question - does each team have to submit "brand new" footballs for inspection for each game or can you submit balls used in previous games?

DZ - I read that the teams can submit "used" balls - many quarterbacks have stated they practiced during the week with new balls and submitted them for use during a game. As long as they pass the ref's inspection they are good to go.

it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

Huh? :smokin::smokin:

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

i was under the impression that the amount of air pumped in
changed the weight of the ball as well as the firmness. my bad

on the subject of HATERS
let them keep hating
as it releases bad substances into the body
shortening their lifespan which is fine by me.

i was under the impression that the amount of air pumped in
changed the weight of the ball as well as the firmness. my bad

Step back from the bong....
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DZ - I read that the teams can submit "used" balls - many quarterbacks have stated they practiced during the week with new balls and submitted them for use during a game. As long as they pass the ref's inspection they are good to go.

Then I wonder if the balls in question are the same ones used in the last few games. Be easy to say they are and the officials had approved them at each of the previous games. If Brady doesn't admit to it then it will come down to that. I'm wondering if the officials are on the line here - did they inspect AND gauge each ball for pressure? Or did they just give a cursary eyeball and feel inspection? Any official that didn't do his job could be fired if admitting that - would this be cause for them to lie to save their job? This might be how the NFL will want it to shake out - not conclusive. Brady testimony will be key to this.

Then I wonder if the balls in question are the same ones used in the last few games. Be easy to say they are and the officials had approved them at each of the previous games. If Brady doesn't admit to it then it will come down to that. I'm wondering if the officials are on the line here - did they inspect AND gauge each ball for pressure? Or did they just give a cursary eyeball and feel inspection? Any official that didn't do his job could be fired if admitting that - would this be cause for them to lie to save their job? This might be how the NFL will want it to shake out - not conclusive. Brady testimony will be key to this.

Baltimore tipped off the colts . Two losers collaborating . It's pathetic
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/deflategate-adam-schefter-reports-nfl-struggling-to-find-evidence/ar-AA8tHi2?ocid=HPCDHP..

it's simple.. the Refs never checked the air pressure..

I look at this as something everybody does, and the refs just let it go......until someone whines like a little Bi-atch (pick a colt).

Look at baseball, pitchers are not supposed to use anything foreign on a baseball, yet they always have a little something in their glove or on their arm and it never gets made into a big deal......unless someone whines. The Umps really just accept it and move on.....because they are all doing it.

Skippy just sour because the only championship he gets to cheer on is the crowd noise bowl....and Seattle just took that title away from them :hihi:
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not sure how you figure I am sour when I am loving life because once again the Patriots are involved in a cheating scandal maybe if they kept Hernandez guarding the balls this would not have happened.


The only thig that is sour is all the butt hurt and in denial pats fan...
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With cameras everywhere, if they can't find actual video of someone intentionally letting air out or unless someone admits to it, then it is highly possible the balls were low when the ref "checked" them and said they were ok. I highly doubt they actually stick a needle in each ball using a league approved calibrated gauge to test the pressure of these balls. At best the ref, gives them a squeeze and says, yep, those are fine. Brady will come out and say "Everyone knows I like my balls soft" *smile* "the balls were inflated, the ref checked them and we played with the balls as inspected" *nods head* "I never doubt the pressure or have any reason to check the pressure, once the ref checks them. I have to assume they are good to use".

Soon after that the NFL will come out with no evidence of wrong doing.

It's all about Seattle......

With cameras everywhere, if they can't find actual video of someone intentionally letting air out or unless someone admits to it, then it is highly possible the balls were low when the ref "checked" them and said they were ok. I highly doubt they actually stick a needle in each ball using a league approved calibrated gauge to test the pressure of these balls. At best the ref, gives them a squeeze and says, yep, those are fine. Brady will come out and say "Everyone knows I like my balls soft" *smile* "the balls were inflated, the ref checked them and we played with the balls as inspected" *nods head* "I never doubt the pressure or have any reason to check the pressure, once the ref checks them. I have to assume they are good to use".

Soon after that the NFL will come out with no evidence of wrong doing.

It's all about Seattle......

Actually, they do check them, with a gauge for pressure, and with a scale for weight. After each one is checked, the referee takes a silver sharpie and makes an identifiable mark, unique to him, under the NFL logo on the ball. Only balls with that mark can be put into play. They also take the kicking balls out of the box (they're a case of new balls shipped in by Wilson for that one game), test each one of those, and with the same silver sharpie, the ref makes a K on each.

Both sets of balls stay in the refs' locker room with the back-up official, until a half hour before the game time. At that point, each team sends a representative---usually the ball boy---to the room, and he or she is given the bag of their team's game balls. The kicking balls stay in the custody of the back-up ref for the whole game.

The NFL has a 1 psi window of legality, and a 2 oz weight window. Letting the refs do the old "give 'er a squeeze and see" would be ludicrous. mainly because there isn't an official in the whole league who could tell if a ball was a pound off by squeezing it. People have to understand that they never, ever handle the ball in the same manner, using the same grip, as a QB. No other players do either. Not even the place kick holders who catch and spot the ball. It's totally different. And the refs probably wouldn't notice if they were 2 pounds under inflated. They don't grip the ball when they spot it in the same way that a QB does. It's all about the grip, not squeezing the ball from the sides.

So in your opinion Mike would a lb or 2 of pressure really make as big a difference with these guys with gloves and giant hands on a games outcome. I really don't see the problem here. Really nit picking IMO.
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i think of it as like buying a pair of new shoe's
at first they are stiff and tight and not overly comfortable
but after a time of wearing those "new" shoes they get
more comfortable and pliable (softer)
and that is something you can TUNE in on
with your hands (or feet) and select them as favorable.

Thank you for the clarity Raven
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LOL. Rav the cobbler
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Honestly who really gives a #^&#^&#^&#^& about any of this it's only a stupid game
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we'll never have all the facts released so it's hard to for me to to form an opinion. i wouldn't bet the farm that bb and tb were telling all they know. i also think that doctoring the balls is one of those hush hush rules that is broken regularly. patriots now mad at the world and will beat the seahawks using this as their rally point.

we'll never have all the facts released so it's hard to for me to to form an opinion. i wouldn't bet the farm that bb and tb were telling all they know. i also think that doctoring the balls is one of those hush hush rules that is broken regularly. patriots now mad at the world and will beat the seahawks using this as their rally point.

This!

I found it astounding that the NFL had not contacted Brady . Another thorough investigation lmao
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I found it astounding that the NFL had not contacted Brady . Another thorough investigation lmao
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Either that or the NFL officials screwed up. The NFL is trying to figure out how to spin it so that they don't look like idiots. Particularly given their recent investigative history.
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Raven , after reading your last post .as usual I,m confused .......are you describing breaking in a football ???? or a very young , inexperienced $%^&*@:huh::huh:

also today an expert stated that balls being kept in a warm room and then exposed to the cold element could cause a 2lb difference...being pounced on too....and like one person stated the refs R responsible 1-2 hrs. before the game and the ball people take them to a room at half time.

My own opinion is not guilty by the NFL....:)

Also did they check any balls of the colts to compare?..have not heard a word about that

Dqwell Jackson actually just stated he never noticed anything wrong with the ball he intercepted that report was Fabricated

http://m.wcvb.com/sports/colts-jackson-says-he-noticed-nothing-wrong-with-football/30870712?utm_campaign=WCVB%20Channel%205%20Boston% 20-%20wcvb5&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social
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Tom Brady has not once been accused of cheating in any way. Never had a suspension or a fine for that matter as far as I can remember
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The NFL's silence is deafening

The NFL's silence is deafening


Bingo
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I think the Pats should have had Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones comes out dressed in black with the flashy pen thing and just tell everyone to look this way for a second and zip nothing to see hear folks.:rollem:

Raven , after reading your last post .as usual I,m confused .......are you describing breaking in a football ???? or a very young , inexperienced $%^&*@:huh::huh:

great question Clammer ....Tom sorta was trying to compare it with a baseball glove
after awhile it conforms to your hand's shape

new balls have a waxy coating apparently
and they have to have Vince sit on them during practice

then the Gronk takes them all out and slams them a few times
trying to beat up the piggyskin til the stiffness wears off
after that treatment it feels real good in your hand :alien:

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

Well said

Well this is a real good ratings booster for the NFL... taking a page out of Vince McMahon's WWE playbook and using the Pats as the "wrestling heal" and the Sea Hawks as the "baby face". Much excitement about a non issue to get the rest of the US to root for Seattle and bump up their television ratings.

Would be a great spin if right before or just after the game, the NFL comes out and fires a ref, for not checking the balls properly before the game.

Spin it all out of control to up ratings... then put the fires out with a cell phone video of the ref "not checking" the balls properly.... no harm no foul.. and huge boost in attention for the NFL....

By the way the guy "mortensen" reporting the 11/12 balls were 2 pounds under also stated the Janae(sp.) Rice bumped her head in the Elevator when she was rendered unconscious by her Then Fiance's fist.
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Well said

X2

I deflate my eels to 11.5 psi :drevil:

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

Or Tom pulled a Brad Johnson and slipped the ball boy a few G's tolower the psi... is the leage really going to fine the golden one? I'm sure this happens league wide in some way. This will fade away
ultimately, a non-issue in the Colts crushing. One of the colts said it best, the pats could have used soap and won!

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

I love the Pats....but I am not naive enough to believe the air came out via osmosis. I was hoping TB would fall on his sword and move on. He is like a kid that broke a window but refuses to admit it. Not a big deal in the scope of things but the truth would have helped put this behind him. Somebody deflated the balls,...tooth fairy doesn't cut it
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My bet is the balls they played with are the balls that were approved, as they were approved.
The refs failed to check the psi because they NEVER do but are afraid to admit it.
They probably only check to see if all the laces are tight. and they aren't falling apart and move along to the next one.

Does anyone really believe that little air pressure difference would make any difference in this year's outcome; Colt's game the obvious answer is no. With people being beheaded, nut jobs shooting up our kids schools, quality surgeons with character being gunned down at their jobs; this is what we are focused on all week long. I wish we had a "good news" station, because our priorities are as deflated as this issue is.

My bet is the balls they played with are the balls that were approved, as they were approved.
The refs failed to check the psi because they NEVER do but are afraid to admit it.
They probably only check to see if all the laces are tight. and they aren't falling apart and move along to the next one.
That's my theory as well. It's conceivable if Brady does like a soft ball to under-inflate most of them under the assumption they refs won't really check and if they all feel the same won't notice. I don't think it's illegal to submit an under-inflated ball, just to manipulate it once approved. Could have also been who ever inflated them screwed up and the refs didn't catch it.

Now the NFL has to either admit their refs blew it or make a statement fine right before the Super Bowl.

The Commissioner is in a pickle.

we have heard that the refs checked the pressure at half time with two gages. the question is, did they check them before the game in the same way. I have not heard that (anyone?). that's all I really want to know. if the balls weren't checked with gages pregame, then the half time readings are meaningless and baring some really concrete evidence, its on the league and refs for allowing under inflated balls into the game. if they were checked and documented both pregame and half time, burden of proof shifts to the pats IMO.

This whole thing is turning into a pig pile by the press at the instigation of that one reporter from ESPN. So far, no one, in the know, has alleged any wrongdoing by anyone. Its all rumor and innuendo designed to sell the news stories.

He most likely submitted the balls as he liked them and has done the same for years. Under by a lb or 2 psi. Always has. You going to tell me this one game he all of sudden changed his routine. I doubt it.
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This whole thing is turning into a pig pile by the press at the instigation of that one reporter from ESPN. So far, no one, in the know, has alleged any wrongdoing by anyone. Its all rumor and innuendo designed to sell the news stories.

I agree Mike - ESPN continues to reference "NFL Sources" but they never have revealed their sources! It's not like these analysts are real reporters and need to protect sources. Tell everyone who they are so they can be questioned. NFL needs to get going on this and could have avoided this whole controversy had they just announced on Monday morning that the Patriots had been fined $25,000 for using underinflated balls.

we have heard that the refs checked the pressure at half time with two gages. the question is, did they check them before the game in the same way. I have not heard that (anyone?). that's all I really want to know. if the balls weren't checked with gages pregame, then the half time readings are meaningless and baring some really concrete evidence, its on the league and refs for allowing under inflated balls into the game. if they were checked and documented both pregame and half time, burden of proof shifts to the pats IMO.

Agree, unless they have actual readings for individual balls they can compare to halftime data, or video evidence there's no there there.

Every team did the video taping too. It made no difference then and it makes no difference now.
A bunch of drama over nothing .
Nobody cares what losing teams do . This wouldn't have been mentioned if Indy won
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I think it is fair to say that if you weren't a Patriots fan, you would be singing a different tune. Actually that goes for most of the people posting on here. You have evidence that every team did the video taping?. Any reasonable person without bias who watched and listened to Tom Brady speak yesterday would conclude that he was full of it. The balls were deflated, someone deflated them, and there is one person who would want them deflated. If air pressure didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have a preference and the league wouldn't have a rule about it. One after another, hall of fame players and coaches are calling them out on it. If it is nothing, or it doesn't matter, or every team does it, then those people have no integrity. The world outside of foxboro is going with Shula, Rice, Dawkins, etc on this. Maybe video taping and deflating don't matter, but then why do it? In any case, there is no doubt that the Patriots are a tarnished franchise.

where does a WBZ associate come off and says that they should be fined because Brady said he likes the balls to be 12.5 lbs. which make them illegal....Brady would be within the limits at 12.5... DURRRR...:)

Our you have them inflate to the minimum and the weather deflates them further.

Rumor now is the NFL has no evidence so they're going to drop the investigation

The NFL's silence is deafening

I can't believe that the NFL has not come out and said anything. Frankly this whole thing has been ruining my whole Super Bowl experience. I would love to be talking about the Pats stopping Marshawn Lynch and who Sherman is going to cover etc. Instead we are talking about a small difference in psi in game balls that had no effect on the outcome of a game

Or Tom pulled a Brad Johnson and slipped the ball boy a few G's tolower the psi... is the leage really going to fine the golden one? I'm sure this happens league wide in some way. This will fade away
ultimately, a non-issue in the Colts crushing. One of the colts said it best, the pats could have used soap and won!

I was surprised that Brady did not let us know what happened which makes me think that he was lying. I say this because even if he did not have anything to do with the under inflation (doubtful) at the very least he would know who did. Even if he figured it out after the fact. If I am having my butt hauled out in front of the press you bet for sure I am going to want to know what the hell happened. He didn't do that? I have a hard time believing that

Just think of the ramifications of Brady admitting to knowing about it:
They range from being fined to being suspended from playing the Super Bowl. Does he take the chance? WEEI compared it to stealing grapes at the supermarket. If the penalty for the insignificant crime of stealing a grape was going to jail for a year would you admit to it? Right now there is a MOB mentality in the rest of the country looking to crucify Brady for stealing a grape. He had no choice. Better to deny it at this stage and take the punishment if guilty at a later date.

Rumor now is the NFL has no evidence so they're going to drop the investigation
Given all the finger pointing and name calling, that's a very irresponsible position for the NFL to take.

I think it is fair to say that if you weren't a Patriots fan, you would be singing a different tune. Actually that goes for most of the people posting on here. You have evidence that every team did the video taping?. Any reasonable person without bias who watched and listened to Tom Brady speak yesterday would conclude that he was full of it. The balls were deflated, someone deflated them, and there is one person who would want them deflated. If air pressure didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have a preference and the league wouldn't have a rule about it. One after another, hall of fame players and coaches are calling them out on it. If it is nothing, or it doesn't matter, or every team does it, then those people have no integrity. The world outside of foxboro is going with Shula, Rice, Dawkins, etc on this. Maybe video taping and deflating don't matter, but then why do it? In any case, there is no doubt that the Patriots are a tarnished franchise.

Actually its been farely well documented that many teams were doing it. The patriots removed jets cameramen from illegal areas in a previous meeting hence the blow back from Mangini. The issue was they received a memo from Goodell the week before.

Not nearly as bad as some of the other things that went on in the league. But new commissioner needed to make an example. The only reason non Pats fans make a big deal about it is because they can.
Hey if that's what you have to celebrate enjoy.
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I had heard that they got deflated while riding the elevator down to the field. TMZ should break the case for the NFL sometime next week with the video from the elevator. Stay Tuned.....
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I'm sticking to my story, it was the guy on the grassy knoll who deflated them, or it was that nefarious villian Ray Finkle, who once tried to submarine the Miami Dolphin's chances at a Super Bowl.

I think it is fair to say that if you weren't a Patriots fan, you would be singing a different tune. Actually that goes for most of the people posting on here. You have evidence that every team did the video taping?. Any reasonable person without bias who watched and listened to Tom Brady speak yesterday would conclude that he was full of it. The balls were deflated, someone deflated them, and there is one person who would want them deflated. If air pressure didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have a preference and the league wouldn't have a rule about it. One after another, hall of fame players and coaches are calling them out on it. If it is nothing, or it doesn't matter, or every team does it, then those people have no integrity. The world outside of foxboro is going with Shula, Rice, Dawkins, etc on this. Maybe video taping and deflating don't matter, but then why do it? In any case, there is no doubt that the Patriots are a tarnished franchise.

I'll be willing to bet your proved wrong . I'm with Spence.... There will be no wrongdoing found .
Hell even the Colts tackle that intercepted the ball is saying he never said anything about the ball.
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I was surprised that Brady did not let us know what happened which makes me think that he was lying. I say this because even if he did not have anything to do with the under inflation (doubtful) at the very least he would know who did. Even if he figured it out after the fact. If I am having my butt hauled out in front of the press you bet for sure I am going to want to know what the hell happened. He didn't do that? I have a hard time believing that

Y would Brady know who did it if it is up to the ref to test every ball and then balls R secured till game time???? and then half time the ball guy with the red X on his shirt is responsible to secure the balls at half time....And if it is the refs job maybe they were laxed in doing their job and never did inspect footballs

As it has been known for refs to cheat betting on teams to win such as in basketball maybe the ref responsible was betting on the Patriots to win....:)

I am over this.... No longer disappointed with the team in any way, shape, or form. As noted; the NFL's silence is deafening... If it hasn't been dealt with by now, I doubt we will see much, if anything going forward. If they do come out with damning proof, I will reassess my thoughts on the whole franchise. But until then, I am back to enjoying the ride to the game. Going to laugh at the haters and enjoy what should be a very very good game of football.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/could-the-nfl-be-covering-for-its-officials-with-deflategate/ar-AA8w0YH?ocid=HPCDHP...

Something that some of us with unclouded vision have been saying all along...

I think it's time for Roger Goodell to move on. He's obviously not very good at what he does based on this and other recent events.

My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.

heard on the radio about a team of attorney's
at the helm
forensics being performed
40 people interviewed
this is nutty

nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.
Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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Says who? What was the pressure when checked before game? What was the pressure at half?

None of those stories have come from anywhere official [NFL].

Many of the "facts" that "sources" stated have already proven false.

I'm not saying the pats did or didn't cheat, I just have no facts to prove either point, and neither do you.

after absorbing what i hear from misc sources my best guess is that the patriots submitted the low pressure balls to the officials and their inspection didn't include gauging the balls- just visual and in hand inspection. the dolts after being alerted by the cons...errrhhh i mean ravens brought it up the officials late in the 2nd period. nfl is thoroughly embarrassed and working strategy out. just a guess on my part.

...opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs....
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already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.

already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.
Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters
At halftime they were not (tooth fairy?)
You are not paying attn to detail.
I never said player,it was an eqpt guy. I am guessing you thought Lance was innocent until the confession......
Oh, and Don, we really are not in position to call any other team the cons with the trial about to start for Hernandez ( who Zacs thinks is innocent also)
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Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters
At halftime they were not (tooth fairy?)

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters...
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got link?

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Cnn said NFL confirmed they were fine bf game.
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got link?

Prepare face for landing
Egg approaching
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I don't think that on the biggest game of the year they would wanna risk trying something totally different than normal(a different football).

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Stick to being a fish lawyer
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Personally I think we are all being scammed by the NFL and sports media. Everyone is talking about it, even if only to say how stupid it is and that it makes no difference.
Would even 1% of you be paying any attention to the NFL before the "big" game or would you be discussing what the best halftime food is?

Nobody talking about the Colts player that was arrested for Rape the night before the AFC Championship, lots of talking about air pressure gauges though.

Goodell loves it......
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I don't usually post on non-SB topics, but I felt like a few things
ought to be pointed out (hey, it's Friday night, I'm bored and the
Celtics aren't on prime time).

1. The issue of whether the Pats deflated balls for the Colts game
isn't that big a deal, at least as far as the game is concerned; the
Pats played better with the regular balls and the Colts got stomped.

HOWEVER:

2. The issue of whether they deflated them for the Ravens game
DOES matter. That was a one score game which Brady won on a
perfect throw to Brandon Lafell. If that ball had gone two feet in
any direction from where it went, it was an incompletion, and the
Pats might have lost the game. If the ball was deflated, did that help
Brady make a better throw? What about some other throws in that
game?

3. How long has this been going on anyway? Does it date maybe to
that period about a month into the season where Brady stank, and
all of a sudden he was great? Was this an attempt by an aging player
to grab for one last edge before his Super Bowl window closed forever?

4. I don't believe Belichick was in on this. He's too smart, and he knows
the other teams can readily prove the issue. I don't think he
would take a chance like that. I think only Brady (may have) been
involved.

O.K., so that's what happens when you're bored on a Friday night.

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

Yep it's called slander
And it's so commonplace that it has gone the way of the dinosaur.
Lack of respect for giving the benefit of the doubt( because it's the Patriots)

There are rats everywhere

Watch out Ravens and Colts
The chit storms you create may come back to haunt you
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I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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The NFL has only said there is an investigation

Leaks from sources said balls were under inflated
And Ben Volin from the globe said the balls were checked prior to the game

I'm not a believer in the NFL

I think the only one telling the whole truth in this is Bill
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The latest theory is that the Pats did it on purpose because the NFL has been allowing underinflated balls and Wilson has small hands.
Now that sounds more like our coach .
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I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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Only because you have 5x more post than anyone else hehhehehehe
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GOOD :D then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

:pats2:

GOOD :D then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

:pats2:

They make it so easy when they need to cheat to win lol :rotf3:

The way I see it is the pats scored 14 points with deflated balls and then score 28 points with properly inflated balls, I'm glad they were able to fix the problem.
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Skippy, maybe you should redirect your search for a new home OUTSIDE of Patriot nation's general boundaries... You might get a lot more for your double wide buck in east bum Missouri..... Starting to enjoy the game here!:bshake::pats:

couldn't resist

Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out ?
Well, the party was nice, the party was pumpin'
Yippie yi yo
And everybody havin' a ball
Yippie yi yo
I tell the fellas start the name callin'
Yippie yi yo
And the girls respond to the call
I heard a woman shout out
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?
Who let the air out?
Who, who, who, who, who?

Skippy, maybe you should redirect your search for a new home OUTSIDE of Patriot nation's general boundaries... You might get a lot more for your double wide buck in east bum Missouri..... Starting to enjoy the game here!:bshake::pats:

You kidding me how could i leave all this.. Beside i will alWays have the internet to remind pats fans how ill guided they are and that the kraft koolaid is ruining their brains.

Just more fun knowing i am right in epicenter of the fail.
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nice tat.....and hair

I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,

Somebody needs to test the pressure drop due to the temp change. Not sure if the balls are kept warm or not though.

Here is some faulty MIT math....guy isn't smart enough to consider the balls likely to be somewhat elastic and so the volume is not constant. Likely acts like a volumetric spring to maintain some of the pressure. Nice try though.....for a homer.

A Massachusetts Institute of Technology postdoctoral associate, who asked not to be identified, agreed with Naughton’s calculations and even sent the Herald a formula that predicted a change of 1.78 psi by halftime if the balls were filled at room temperature. The temperature on the Gillette Stadium field at kickoff was about 45 degrees.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2015/01/colder_temperature_could_explain_football_pressure

Nevermind gage R&R (repeatability and reproducibility). One can only hope some of the official NFL investigation is technical unless they want to end up being the fools. A technical explanation will likely sound pretty hollow to the rest of the world Pats haters though, and make the NFL look pretty foolish for not going there first. I would like to see it though, just to rub the media's face in it for what they have made this into.

I suppose they could always screw up the test design too, and just make a bigger mess.

Lets all just take it on ourselves to go to any sporting goods store and pick up 2 footballs and inflate one to 10.5 and the other to 12.5... I bet you cannot "grip" it in one hand and tell the difference

I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,

My theory as well.
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I figure this is what happened.

Brady gave the refs the balls he prefers. (maybe low)
The refs approved the balls.
At this point the balls are legal if approved.

If no one tampered with balls after being approved there is no violation,


Exactly! And it happens and has been happening every football game the NFL has played and Indianapolis knows it
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http://youtu.be/6M4t5m8dk5I
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Nevermind gage R&R (repeatability and reproducibility). One can only hope some of the official NFL investigation is technical unless they want to end up being the fools. A technical explanation will likely sound pretty hollow to the rest of the world Pats haters though, and make the NFL look pretty foolish for not going there first. I would like to see it though, just to rub the media's face in it for what they have made this into.

I suppose they could always screw up the test design too, and just make a bigger mess.


At -15° the psi would of dropped only 1.5 psi,but good thinking thou.
I was at the game when the pats played the Titans back 03 and at that point it was the coldest game ever played in NE history.
The game opening drive by Brady he aired out a bomb (40) yrds to Bethal Johnson for a TD.

With the way Sippy is spuing and if we all had sailboats he could blow us all the way to the Azores and the we could do some swordfish fishing.


Two words for ya skippy.


SUCK IT!



Hahahahahahaha!
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Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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Using Skippy logic,the greatest KC Royal ever is known for nothing other than cheating.
Is he mad?
Damn right
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Royals Suck, Pete Rose is the best ball player of all times.

Finally a former QB with some class.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2015/01/24/drew-bledsoe-pretty-mad-about-the-way-tom-brady-has-been-treated/FJv6yOlXtsEx1Bat8AKbyH/story.html?s_campaign=bcom%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook

I've found the remarks by Aikman and others to be so irresponsible and disrespectful they shouldn't be earning millions still just to talk about football.

my ball is not that deflated

road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

Ha !!!! Knew it
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The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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:patshelmet:

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop :deadhorse:

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl (http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl)

It's all about Seattle.

:pats:

:patshelmet:

Bill Belichick tells the NFL and media to prove it or shut up and to stop :deadhorse:

fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl (http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/fiery-belichick-redirects-focus-super-bowl)

It's all about Seattle.

:pats:

Spectacular press conference by The Coach

He got the monkey off the teams back a little, showed he went to bat for them, showed that the Pats are taking this seriously and above all, he put a lot of pressure on the NFL to prove them - the Pats - wrong. That was going on offense.

Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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road games can change the football psi due to the difference in atmospheric pressure. If the Pats fill there balls at Gillette Statium to a set psi where the atmospheric pressure is 14.7 psi and travel to Denver where the atmospheric pressure is 12 psi those footballs will have a lower psi then what was set at Gillette. The same analogy applies when scuba diving where if you fill and tie off a balloon underwater say 60 ft, the pressure will be high in the balloon and when allowed to float to the surface the balloon will get bigger with less pressure inside
just food for thought.

Did a simple ideal gas law calculation (PV=nRT). As shown by another guy up above, you need for the field temperature to be around
10 below zero to get pressures in the range of 1.5 psi lower, assuming the balls were inflated at room temperature. The game
temperature was around 45 degrees. At that temperature, there should have been less than .5 psi difference. Sorry, Bill, no way the
atmospheric temperature makes that kind of a difference.

I get a kick out of ( the integrity of the game crap )
Being a weight lifting gym rat for 40 plus years, no one can convince me that most of this league is not on some form of PED.
We wouldn't watch it if they weren't. We wouldn't want to watch normal people play pro football. We want bigger, faster and more violent. It's analogous to pro wrestling. Most of these guys can't get to look the way they do without a little help from chemistry and the wizardry of masking ability.
Deflated balls ? Give it a rest. You want integrity test these guys like the Olympics and just try to stay ahead of the money.
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Makai, look at those guys, only about one in five is cut enough to say they have muscles. The off. and def. Lines are just meat, tendon strength. Linebackers and running backs are a different story
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You're kidding about 1/5 having muscle, right?

Ideal gas law does not apply. Atmospheric air is nowhere close to an ideal gas. Need to account for humidity and condensation due to temp change. Also ball is elastic so volume is not constant. Sighting ideal gas law is overly simplistic.
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Cutting up for strength and speed is one thing. Having the ability to bench 450 and up is a totally different approach to have mass and power. Plenty of really big guys at my gym take all kinds of crap and not all look the body builder part. Some of these guys are stupid strong !
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Pats went all in. Time for league to put up or shut up. Time will tell. I have a feeling the pats were pushing and maybe breaking the rules, but the league botched their little sting operation. Nfl really can't get out of their own way.
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x2 on most of this.

these guys are too way smart to come out guns smoking at the nfl if they thought the league had anything solid.

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it


So it wasn't just me thinking this....

The NFL did release an official statement about 4 PM yesterday. I'm just wondering whether anyone read it, because it sure sounds like maybe only SD did. Had quite a bit of detail. Cliff Notes version:

The balls were individually checked for compliance with inflation standards two hours before the game, and all balls were within the allowed range. They were tested at halftime and an unspecified number of Pats ballwa were below the minimum standard. None of the Colts balls had fallen below the minimum standard. The deflated balls were re-inflated for the second half, and tested again at the end of the game. None of the balls had fallen below standards during the second half.

The NY law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkin, Wharton, and Garrison has been retained to assist the league in the investigation, as well as a forensic consultant. About 40 people had been interviewed at the time of the league's statement. The investigation will also look at video and electronic data.

There was the typical statement about expecting full cooperation from both the Colts and Pats, as well as "other teams". Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.

Basically, except for the actual number of balls underinflated and how far they had fallen, it confirms what Mortensen leaked on Monday. And adds a bit more.

I can tell you that Paul, Weiss is a mega firm, and they don't come cheap.
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Never trust a lawyer . What a waste of non profit dollars
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deal gas law does not apply. Atmospheric air is nowhere close to an ideal gas. Need to account for humidity and condensation due to temp change. Also ball is elastic so volume is not constant. Sighting ideal gas law is overly simplistic.

Yes, I agree that ideal gas law is over simplistic. However, it is accurate over a fairly wide range of typical conditions. Note that humidity counts as a gas (water vapor is part of the partial pressures). Note also that contraction of the football due to lower pressure would REDUCE the available volume, actually RAISING
the pressure ABOVE what the ideal gas law would predict! Ideal gas law would tend to UNDERPREDICT the pressure!

The point of it is that the actual pressure difference is more than THREE TIMES greater than the ideal gas law would predict. I am familiar with corrections to the ideal gas law, and no way is it that wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't some water vapor liquify as temperature drops and reduce the quantity and therefore pressure of the gas. Maybe it's negligible.
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Did a simple ideal gas law calculation (PV=nRT). As shown by another guy up above, you need for the field temperature to be around
10 below zero to get pressures in the range of 1.5 psi lower, assuming the balls were inflated at room temperature. The game
temperature was around 45 degrees. At that temperature, there should have been less than .5 psi difference. Sorry, Bill, no way the
atmospheric temperature makes that kind of a difference.

Apparently you were not paying attention to Bill's press conference completely.

The process of breaking in the balls for better tackiness actually artificially raised the PSI by 1 lb , is what they just discovered this week, follow along here, then he said they give the balls to the ref, he makes sure it is 12.5 let's say. Now a couple hours go by and the balls are brought out to the field, since they have had time to acclimate for 2 hours in that controlled enviroment for a while after the rub down or whatever, they have gone back to the 1 psi less by gametime. They play the game in 45 degree weather wet and cold and lose another .5 psi. He said that, I heard him say a total of 1-1/2 lb . That is what they could come up with to explain a loss of pressure. Nobody let any air out.

That brings to question, after the refs made sure the balls were 12.5 psi minimum 2 hours before the game, why did they not check them right before the game? That would have accounted for 1 lb of air missing, but they did not and they did not correct them. We are talking about footballs here. weather change accounts for the other half pound.

I believe every word Bill said.

he even had to once again defend his stance of the spygate bull chit
The signals they recorded were being filmed in front of 80,000 people, they all saw it, the Pats were not trying to hide anything, they were wrong about the rule, paid the price, MOVE ON PEOPLE.


Mike, thanks for the NFL report


the NFL can spend whatever they want to on their witch hunt, they can also stuff it up their corn holes

Those lawyers are likely "haters" doing it Pro Mono

Never trust a lawyer . What a waste of non profit dollars
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Mike P is one lawyer I would trust, absolutely.

Mike, be certain it is noticed that you are one of the very few who have NOT bashed the Pats, I appreciate that.

I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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I get a kick out of ( the integrity of the game crap )
Being a weight lifting gym rat for 40 plus years, no one can convince me that most of this league is not on some form of PED.
We wouldn't watch it if they weren't. We wouldn't want to watch normal people play pro football. We want bigger, faster and more violent. It's analogous to pro wrestling. Most of these guys can't get to look the way they do without a little help from chemistry and the wizardry of masking ability.
Deflated balls ? Give it a rest. You want integrity test these guys like the Olympics and just try to stay ahead of the money.
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Wilfork can dunk a basketball....that's freakish....
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I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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The 12 th ball I'm pretty sure was the one that got intercepted, how can they even count that one if the Colts had possession of it and may have compromised it?

Do you have a link?
Where did you read that?

This is a conspiracy in your opinion?
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You have to wonder how often they check balls at halftime or end of game in similar cold weather. This all just has to be tested well. 11 out of 12 tells me something "special" happened this time, unless they never check balls later in any other games. "Special" could be the measurements taken as well as somebody reducing the pressure.

I still think the biggest issue with ideal gas law is the"vessel".

I have no link, just common sense brought me to that conclusion.

I don't think there is any conspiracy


The NFL started this witch hunt

I'm sure they are spending as much time and money to try to come out of this horribly blown out of proportion situation by trying their best to come out smelling like roses. I think Bill is telling the truth and the truth will come out.

Bill's press conference yesterday was the BEST EVER


I have not heard anyone state anything about how when you check air pressure with a gauge of any kind, a small amount of air volume escapes, I wonder if that is accounted for since the ball is such a small object. So how many times were they poked?

NOBODY took any air out during the game! period.

I wonder if they didn't brush the 12th football
Yeah,that's the ticket
Somebody forgot to
Do their job
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You don't brush the KICKERS ball.
You are kicking it to the other team during a punt or kick off, you WANT it slippery with the silicon film on it....

The coach's explanation is completely believable and "Plausible".. the NFL is going to end up with egg on their face...

You don't brush the KICKERS ball.
You are kicking it to the other team during a punt or kick off, you WANT it slippery with the silicon film on it....

The kickers ball is an entirely different issue,get some fresh air.
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So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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I don't think kickers use balls supplied by either team.

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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The coach's explanation is completely believable and "Plausible".. the NFL is going to end up with egg on their face...




Don't know about that.
Here in New England (Ma.) Yes.
The rest of the country, not so much.
Like it or not, right or wrong, win or loose this will be part of their legacy, probably because of Spygate.

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGRyTGUbv4&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688#t=119

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGRyTGUbv4&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688#t=119

Spot on Spot on! I am still laughing over here.

There are reports that the Colts balls where checked at halftime and none of them lost any pressure. Not trying to be a wiseguy Jet fan but are those reports true?

There are reports that the Colts balls where checked at halftime and none of them lost any pressure. Not trying to be a wiseguy Jet fan but are those reports true?

They were checked and found to be legal. That doesn't mean they lost pressure.

Spot on Spot on! I am still laughing over here.

Trial by media, I'm sure it's the same way you'd want to be treated....

You fu(k.

The pats are going to light up the sea hag's next wknd.

Again two words for ya.


Suck it!
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Apparently you were not paying attention to Bill's press conference completely.

The process of breaking in the balls for better tackiness actually artificially raised the PSI by 1 lb , is what they just discovered this week, follow along here, then he said they give the balls to the ref, he makes sure it is 12.5 let's say. Now a couple hours go by and the balls are brought out to the field, since they have had time to acclimate for 2 hours in that controlled enviroment for a while after the rub down or whatever, they have gone back to the 1 psi less by gametime. They play the game in 45 degree weather wet and cold and lose another .5 psi. He said that, I heard him say a total of 1-1/2 lb . That is what they could come up with to explain a loss of pressure. Nobody let any air out.

That brings to question, after the refs made sure the balls were 12.5 psi minimum 2 hours before the game, why did they not check them right before the game? That would have accounted for 1 lb of air missing, but they did not and they did not correct them. We are talking about footballs here. weather change accounts for the other half pound.

I believe every word Bill said.


Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

john harbaugh- don't know the rule book do i? try this one on for size tb and bb.

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

Doesn't make sense, the officials don't give the balls back to the team until just before game time.

Doesn't make sense, the officials don't give the balls back to the team until just before game time.

Doesn't matter. The Patriots are legally responsible for making sure
that WHATEVER they do, the balls are right at GAME TIME. Period.

And I'm I'm sure adding or removing air from the ball after they are inspected is illegal.
I'm sure we've all played with footballs in the cold weather. They can lose air and still actually feel harder
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And I'm I'm sure adding or removing air from the ball after they are inspected is illegal.

...unless of course, the refs approve it. The point is, the Pats were
responsible for ensuring that the balls were right at game time. They
had AMPLE opportunities to check their standard procedures to make
sure they got it right. If they didn't do it, that's negligence. Right, any
lawyers out there?

...unless of course, the refs approve it. The point is, the Pats were
responsible for ensuring that the balls were right at game time. They
had AMPLE opportunities to check their standard procedures to make
sure they got it right. If they didn't do it, that's negligence. Right, any
lawyers out there?

I believe it's the refs job to add or remove air at that point
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...unless of course, the refs approve it. The point is, the Pats were
responsible for ensuring that the balls were right at game time. They
had AMPLE opportunities to check their standard procedures to make
sure they got it right. If they didn't do it, that's negligence. Right, any
lawyers out there?
This is not a legal issue,it is a rule book issue. Is it possible the Colts balls were overinflated and then lost psi due to the weather? The balls are checked 2 hours prior to kickoff for compliance,after that,whatever happens due to conditions other than being manipulated by humans is OK.
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At this point I don't believe any "reports" or "sources" that are not attributable - especially on the internet. I was watching a media specialist who said if you believe anything you read online and its not attributable - shame on you. Until the game referee/official comes on camera saying "I did check the balls with a gauge", I'll have to assume he didn't. Funny how the Patriots got into trouble during spy gate with a single camera but now with hundreds of cameras all over the stadium there hasn't been any suspicious activity reported - yet.

Once the REFS inspect it is Refs responsibilty not the Pats...Refs inspect the balls it is their signature and everyone believes everything is fine......:)

Latest report is the balls were about a pound short....wait for commish report....:)

when does it become defamation of charater

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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they leaked it to Mortensen
therefore, they started it

I think IMO Harbaugh bitched about or put a bug in the Colts ear about it, then it went from there.

And Bill did his job trying to find out how they came in under inflated, he came up with a plausible reason and I believe him. I have no reason not to believe him. With all the crap they endure, there is no possible chance anyone with the team did anything to alter the balls once they went to the ref. If there was any evidence instead of just accusations, then it would have been settled by now.

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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I didn't say that the 12th ball was the correct pressure, just that it was reported that 11 of the 12 were under pressure. The 12 could have been under pressure as well but seeing how it was in possession of a biased team, they can't include that one as under inflated. Is that more clear? I see things the way I see them because I wear a Pats t shirt and care about the team enough to defend them. They don't deserve all this bashing and pig piling and being accused of cheating just because of their awesomeness and success :D

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGRyTGUbv4&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688#t=119


I laughed and thought some of it was funny

but it wasn't spot on

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

when does it become defamation of charater


LOOOOONG past that Raven

when does it become defamation of charater

Its not when you are guilty......
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Its when you are not guilty......
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Fixed it for you:bshake:

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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Seahawks?? Who are they?

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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biggest? as in height?

As in suspended for ped use
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Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Blame Indy !
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Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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So what you are saying is that the Raiders showed the Pats how to cheat? But not how to lose?

This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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I think people are going to realize just how stupid this entire hype cycle really was.

I know against Seattle is not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a big blow out win shut everyone up.

I know against Seattle is not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a big blow out win shut everyone up.
Even if the balls were checked by NASA every play the haters would still be claiming we cheated...

There was talk of ticket prices for this game being low, and the general interest in the Pats saturated around the country due to their long term success, and the Seahawks far from a favorite team with their scandals. It makes you wonder how much of this talk is the media trying to create a hot story to artificially inflate some interest in less than fully inflated Super Bowl week.

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

Players who make a monumental play--first career TD, first 100 yard rushing game, first 1000 yard season, DBs who make picks, and so on, almost always take the game ball of the play to the sideline for posterity. That's probably why teams are required to have a back-up supply. I've been watching football since 1961 and can't ever recall a situation where a ball was so damaged in play that it couldn't be used.

Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?
It would certainly make sense that the backup balls if to be used by either team could/would be inflated or even prepped differently.

The more the Pats dig in the more I believe them. There's no way they could be sure evidence of tampering didn't exist if it indeed did.

So what you are saying is that the Raiders showed the Pats how to cheat? But not how to lose?



John.
I said from the start I thought this is silly.
The Raiders for 40 years prided themselves on playing outside the rules and if others down like it tough #^&#^&#^&#^&.
The Pats just the oposit.
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I wonder if the locker room attendant acted alone
Hmmm
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I wonder if the locker room attendant acted alone
Hmmm
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No, it was this crazy situation where the Pats balls deflated due to the temp and the Colts didn't. Likely there was a polar vortex caused by Bellychicks ego or Gisele's thigh gap that caused a lower temperature around the Patriots balls. The attendant is just a scapegoat for mother nature.

No, it was this crazy situation where the Pats balls deflated due to the temp and the Colts didn't. Likely there was a polar vortex caused by Bellychicks ego or Gisele's thigh gap that caused a lower temperature around the Patriots balls. The attendant is just a scapegoat for mother nature.

There's a perfectly good explanation for that. The Colts balls were inflated to the high end of the NFL regulation psi.
From what I understand they are looking at the 6 to 10 minute window from when the balls removed from the referees locker room and taken to the field.
Nothing will come out of this .
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This is getting really old. WTF America ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaWWTKTQr5E

Do you guys think it should be 2 balls at 10.5 PSI or 1 ball at 12.5 PSI? Would it be deflated equivalency? ....oooops, wrong thread...sorry.
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the pats were stepping off the plane
(just caught the tail end of it-news)
and they were hinting around about some new info
somethin about a rouge or disgruntled pats employee?

There's a perfectly good explanation for that. The Colts balls were inflated to the high end of the NFL regulation psi.
From what I understand they are looking at the 6 to 10 minute window from when the balls removed from the referees locker room and taken to the field.
Nothing will come out of this .
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Thigh gap.

Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.


quote: League rules mandate each ball must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch,


with an overall weight between 14 and 15 ounces.


:agree:

the pats were stepping off the plane
(just caught the tail end of it-news)
and they were hinting around about some new info
somethin about a rouge or disgruntled pats employee?

Disgruntled employee makes the balls the way Brady prefers them. I think polar vortex is more feasible. Although, if it was a disgruntled employee, what happens to all the weather theories? This is a much better way to pass the winter than that ridiculous ice fishing business. Thanks Brady, Bellychick, Mother Nature, Giselle, disgruntled ball boy, or whomever really is responsible. Most of us wouldn't have cared two craps about this super bowl with out this. I mean that sincerely.

John.
I said from the start I thought this is silly.
The Raiders for 40 years prided themselves on playing outside the rules and if others down like it tough #^&#^&#^&#^&.
The Pats just the oposit.
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Just Funnin with ya

Disgruntled employee makes the balls the way Brady prefers them. .

That is the genius of the whole thing.
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[QUOTE=zimmy;. Most of us wouldn't have cared two craps about this super bowl with out this. I mean that sincerely.[/QUOTE]

That explains a lot ;)
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the pats were stepping off the plane
(just caught the tail end of it-news)
and they were hinting around about some new info
somethin about a rouge or disgruntled pats employee?

And this is the guy who they sent downstairs to bring the balls to the field? Knowing he was rouge or disgruntled?

It's getting harder and harder to believe that the NFL doesn't have the goods here. This leak to Glazer today was in response to Bill's telling Goodell to go get his shine box on Saturday, I have to think. And what cards haven't they played yet?

I'd be worried.
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Does anyone else find it beyond the realm of ridiculous that so much time is being spent on the inflation of footballs? :deadhorse:Doesn't anyone else think that it makes perfect sense given it's the NFL we're talking about? I mean, where else do you have a billion dollar industry using part time officials who fly in a couple days before a game and are expected to do a great job? We're talking about lawyers, teachers, or other folks who work some other job during the week and they show up once a week for a game? Heck, I officiate high school sports and that's what we do.
Please, don't think for a minute that I am saying high school officials could work NFL games, but it would not surprise me one bit if the pro officials don't test the pressure of the balls before the game, just give them the old squeeze test. Anyone else remember in 2012 when the MIAA (the group that governs interscholastic sports in MA) said everyone in the football playoffs has to use a Spaulding model ball and even gave each school one. But before Natick played Plymouth South, someone from Natick asked an official if they could use another brand, one that is easier to grip and throw in cold weather, and the official said sure. Eventually, Plymouth South discovered the subterfuge, but by that time it was too late. We're talking about an official allowing a school to use an illegal ball when everyone had the correct information.
So drop worrying about what this might do to tarnish the Pats reputation, and if they win, be proud to live in an area where we can enjoy multiple championship teams while other cities would be happy to have one.