Maybe it should be called, "Liberlism At Its Finest."....has it become a political stage?.....Pay E Quality, Equal Rights, Voting Rights....Maybe the Martha Stewarts, Barbra Strriesands, George Clooneys,Tom Cruises and the likes of the many actors and actresses of the country that make millions for a couple months work contribute to pay equality....any legal citizen can vote....glad I did not watch,only read some of their speeches.

Yes, the only video I saw of the whole night was some actress who won for best actress (or supporting actress), bitching about the way women are treated in this country, and there was Meryl Streep, pumping her fist. Yes, Meryl Streep has really been treated shabbily in this country because of her gender. And to the lady making the speech, she got paid millions of dollars for making the movie, she just got presented with (what to these jerks is a ) major award, and she's still bitching about how women are treated. Never, ever enough. Never.

What happened to all the strong women in this country? If she had a gripe about womens rights she should have talked about womens rights in the Middle East. These women don't know what its like to have no rights. Sad.

Lady Gaga was the highlight of the show. Girl has some pipes. Actually woke me up and I rewound it to hear her whole performance. As great as she was, she has three octaves. Julie Andrews could hit four....

As for the political crap....what did you expect? Surprised to see Meryl Streep (estimated net worth $45-65 million) so vocal...

American Sniper got shut out. But the box office numbers tell a far different story........

You 4 guys watched that #^&#^&#^&#^& ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

You 4 guys watched that #^&#^&#^&#^& ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

As for me, Ron, sometimes I am willing to let the lady to watch what she wants, and she really wanted to watch. I had Wicked Tuna recorded, and probably couldn't have stayed awake for that either. She NEVER questions me about time on the water, so this is a small price to pay into a relationship.

What happened to all the strong women in this country? If she had a gripe about womens rights she should have talked about womens rights in the Middle East. These women don't know what its like to have no rights. Sad.

DZ, you have it wrong. They are asking for equal rights,meaning the same as men. Comparing this to a Middle East scenario is not exactly insightful. Have women's rights improved? Of course. Are they on equal ground as men? Not even close.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Yes, the only video I saw of the whole night was some actress who won for best actress (or supporting actress), bitching about the way women are treated in this country, and there was Meryl Streep, pumping her fist. Yes, Meryl Streep has really been treated shabbily in this country because of her gender. And to the lady making the speech, she got paid millions of dollars for making the movie, she just got presented with (what to these jerks is a ) major award, and she's still bitching about how women are treated. Never, ever enough. Never.

Give me a break.
Did she say poor, poor me or poor poor, Meryl Streep? She was speaking in a general sense.

You have to be poor to have an opinion on woman's rights?

i once had my wife and i quit our jobs on the spot
because the Boss said no to her getting a 10 cent raise.

The Job she was doing was making dairy queen hot dog holders
and they were printed in doubles so that you could unzip the stack
with your hands and place each half stack in a wax paper bag.

i worked close by and after she replaced the slow poke Portuguese guy
you could hear her ZIPS twice as fast as before if not faster.

When her raise (30 days) was flatly denied .... i shut down my pizza box maker machine
and went and asked the BOSS .....WHY? he smiled and said
because we are prejudiced against women is WHY !! with attitude.

I motioned to her to come talk to me "NOW" then hand in hand we walked away
never to return
and it was the proudest day of my LIFE.

DZ, you have it wrong. They are asking for equal rights,meaning the same as men. Comparing this to a Middle East scenario is not exactly insightful. Have women's rights improved? Of course. Are they on equal ground as men? Not even close.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

In what way are women's rights not on par with men, exactly?

The whole "gender pay gap" theory has been completely debunked. Yes, women earn less than men, on average. Liberals claim that alone, is proof of sexism. But the fact is, women work less hours than men, and are much more likely to put their career on hold to spoend time at home, than men. When you normalize for that, the pay gap disappears, it does not exist. Women who work tons of hours make the same as men who work tons of hours. WOmen who leave at 3:00 every day to meet the school bus, make the same as men who leave at 3:00 every day to meet the school bus. There is no pay gap when you remove the hours worked discrepancy. It's as fair as it can be. Those who outwork their peers, regardless of gender, will get ahead.

Now, in Hollywood, there probably are a lot less opportunities for women, because like it or not, that industry is based on looks, and women get pushed out faster than men. If women don't like that, no one is forcing them to work in Hollywood. If you're a woman, and you want to make a living in the movies, you know what you are signing up for.

What I am seeing in he art world is women only art shows.. No men allowed. Think about that for a moment. Equality?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

You 4 guys watched that #^&#^&#^&#^& ?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device


Did not watch Oscars....got sections of oscars from my MSN home web page and still can't believe they still writing about it 2 days later...show me real news....:)

In what way are women's rights not on par with men, exactly?

The whole "gender pay gap" theory has been completely debunked. Yes, women earn less than men, on average. Liberals claim that alone, is proof of sexism. But the fact is, women work less hours than men, and are much more likely to put their career on hold to spoend time at home, than men. When you normalize for that, the pay gap disappears, it does not exist. Women who work tons of hours make the same as men who work tons of hours. WOmen who leave at 3:00 every day to meet the school bus, make the same as men who leave at 3:00 every day to meet the school bus. There is no pay gap when you remove the hours worked discrepancy. It's as fair as it can be. Those who outwork their peers, regardless of gender, will get ahead.

Now, in Hollywood, there probably are a lot less opportunities for women, because like it or not, that industry is based on looks, and women get pushed out faster than men. If women don't like that, no one is forcing them to work in Hollywood. If you're a woman, and you want to make a living in the movies, you know what you are signing up for.

As usual Jim your opinion is valuable but it is also a load of crap

The myth you speak of is more reality than your research unveiled. Unless of course you live in Denmark where women earn 2% more than men in equal circumstances. Next in line come Norway and Singapore where women are compensated at an 80% rate in the wage comparison. The U.S. however is ranked 65th in the world with a generous 66% rate that just climbed 1% in 2014. These numbers were provided by CNN but I hope you get the idea that you could not be more wrong,
As usual.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I dont know. I think "womens equality" is strictly industry dependent
For 10 yrs i have been trying to get into drug repping
5 times now they have taken it from hundreds of applicants down to 2 of us for a $100k+ job. Me and a hot ass dumb as nails cheerleader chick. Everytime guess who they picked
I cant overcome the boob factor
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

redlite, when you get to the last interview, pay someone to do your makeup and crossdress fake boobs and all showing off your smoking good looks and act the part.

you should have worn your wetsuit redlite! :D totally agree with you though, I work in higher education and I always feel I am disadvantaged as a white male as they are always looking for more diversity

I work in higher education and I always feel I am disadvantaged as a white male as they are always looking for more diversity

But the fact is that when you submited your resume you were much more likely to get an interview than if your name was Kareem or Dawanda.

or even a free bus ride to the interview if your forgot your wallet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/opinion/research-shows-white-privilege-is-real.html

that was "Dawanda" as in she is da wanda of my eye.

Funny, you guys are spending so much time faking outrage over the event you appear to have missed the fact that the VA Crisis Call Center documentary won an Oscar.

Funny, you guys are spending so much time faking outrage over the event you appear to have missed the fact that the VA Crisis Call Center documentary won an Oscar.

And then the new VA director went and put his feet into his mouth past his ankles....

As usual Jim your opinion is valuable but it is also a load of crap

The myth you speak of is more reality than your research unveiled. Unless of course you live in Denmark where women earn 2% more than men in equal circumstances. Next in line come Norway and Singapore where women are compensated at an 80% rate in the wage comparison. The U.S. however is ranked 65th in the world with a generous 66% rate that just climbed 1% in 2014. These numbers were provided by CNN but I hope you get the idea that you could not be more wrong,
As usual.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

But it's not that simple. If all thye female accountants at the big six firms earn 20% less than men (making that up), that does not mean you can say "women get paid less than men". In this country, at this time in our history, men tend to be more focused onm their careers than women. I have never seen a study that, when normalized for that difference, showed a meaningful discrepancy.

You can't just compare average salaries for men vs women, you need to "normalize" (math term) to make the comparison apples to apples.

If you had taken the time to post any of your surveys, I would guess that they are simply comparing average pay for men and women. Here are surveys which show that, when you remove the justifiable differences in pay that result when one gender takes on a large share of household responsibilities, the "gender pay gap" disappears. Don't take my word for it, here are but a few...

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/05/the-biggest-myth-about-the-gender-wage-gap/276367/ - "It might be the most famous statistic about female workers in the United States: Women earn "only 72 percent as much as their male counterparts. It's also famously false."

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba766 - "Comparing single childless women to single childless men, ages 35-43, the wage gap not only disappears, but instead becomes a wage premium. Nevertheless, Americans are likely to hear much about the much-exaggerated wage gap during the election campaign."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303532704579483752909957472 - "Once education, marital status and occupations are considered, the 'gender wage gap' all but disappears."

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/gender_pay_gap_the_familiar_line_that_women_make_7 7_cents_to_every_man_s.html - "The official Bureau of Labor Department statistics show that the median earnings of full-time female workers is 77 percent of the median earnings of full-time male workers. But that is very different than “77 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as men.” "“Full time” officially means 35 hours, but men work more hours than women. That’s the first problem: We could be comparing men working 40 hours to women working 35."

"you could not be more wrong,"

It's not "me". You are saying that Obama's Bureau Of Labor Statistics, in addition to the Wall Street Journal and the National Association of Certified Public Accountants, are all wrong.

Let's see that CNN study? If it simply shows that all women who work "full time" earn 77% of what "men who work full time" earn, that is bullsh*t. If yuo can show me that women who work the same number of hours at the same job as men, still earn substantially less, then you have a point.

If there's a gender pay gap, I want to fix it. But the simple fact that "women get paid less than men" doesn't even come close to establishing that theory. Sorry if that spits in th eface of yoru agenda. I'm not reacting to ideology here, just the facts I posted (and I could have posted dozens more).

Try making that wrong.

Spence...what did that have to do with equal pay and voting?

redlite, when you get to the last interview, pay someone to do your makeup and crossdress fake boobs and all showing off your smoking good looks and act the part.

Follow Bruce Jenner's path. Problem solved, just change your name to "pinklite".

It's not "me". You are saying that Obama's Bureau Of Labor Statistics, in addition to the Wall Street Journal and the National Association of Certified Public Accountants, are all wrong.

Let's see that CNN study? If it simply shows that all women who work "full time" earn 77% of what "men who work full time" earn, that is bullsh*t. If yuo can show me that women who work the same number of hours at the same job as men, still earn substantially less, then you have a point.

If there's a gender pay gap, I want to fix it. But the simple fact that "women get paid less than men" doesn't even come close to establishing that theory. Sorry if that spits in th eface of yoru agenda. I'm not reacting to ideology here, just the facts I posted (and I could have posted dozens more).

Try making that wrong.
The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I don't think the equal pay thing is truly a question of "rights." There is no natural or "unalienable" right to equal pay. And the legalized, government mandated equal pay thing was settled by the Equal Pay Act of 1963. If a women is discriminated by lesser pay for equal work in equal job with equal skill, she can sue and win. And she could be granted a sizable sum, which most employers probably would not want to be liable for.

I am not sure what government can do in terms of rights, if women don't sue, except to create a separate agency with thousands of marshals to constantly monitor business in the country.

Where problems exist, they might be more a cultural issue than a rights issue.

Spence...what did that have to do with equal pay and voting?
Nothing, I'm just cross threading.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs"

Correct, that should be the focus. And in what should be good news for you, when we look at pay by gender through that lens, there is no pay gap in any study I have ever seen. When you compare comparable groups of men and women (same occupation, working same hours, with same experience), pay between men and women isn't menaingfully different.

If you could post a study showing that women earn less than comparable men, that would be helpful.

"My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA." Then presumably you think they are reputable organizations, and you might give credibility to their conclusion that there is no gender pay gap in this country, when you look at comparable groups of men and women.

Yes, men who are hedge fund managers will earn more than women who work at a daycare center. But the national association of cpa's says that when you look at comparable occupations and experience, men and women earn virtually the same pay.

Your two posts seem contradictory, I now can't tell if you htink there is a pay gap or not. Allow me to settle it for you. There isn't.

The editorials you posted are meaningless and the fact you cite an Obama hack disgusts me. This is not a discussion about men earning more than women, it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs. Show me one article that shows that to be the case for employees who have higher education in this country and 10 will come contradicting that. My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA.

Please decide to keep your dignity and never use an Obama crony as leverage again.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"it is more focused on equal pay for equal jobs"

Correct, that should be the focus. And in what should be good news for you, when we look at pay by gender through that lens, there is no pay gap in any study I have ever seen. When you compare comparable groups of men and women (same occupation, working same hours, with same experience), pay between men and women isn't menaingfully different.

If you could post a study showing that women earn less than comparable men, that would be helpful.

"My better half has been an accountant for 25 years and a childhood friend is a former president of NCPA." Then presumably you think they are reputable organizations, and you might give credibility to their conclusion that there is no gender pay gap in this country, when you look at comparable groups of men and women.

Yes, men who are hedge fund managers will earn more than women who work at a daycare center. But the national association of cpa's says that when you look at comparable occupations and experience, men and women earn virtually the same pay.

Your two posts seem contradictory, I now can't tell if you think there is a pay gap or not. Allow me to settle it for you. There isn't. Not according to the dozens of studies I could post. I posted data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to show that even Obama's own data suggests there is no pay gap, so maybe he should get off that soap box and concern himself with problems that, you know, actually exist.

I don't think the equal pay thing is truly a question of "rights." There is no natural or "unalienable" right to equal pay. And the legalized, government mandated equal pay thing was settled by the Equal Pay Act of 1963. If a women is discriminated by lesser pay for equal work in equal job with equal skill, she can sue and win. And she could be granted a sizable sum, which most employers probably would not want to be liable for.

I am not sure what government can do in terms of rights, if women don't sue, except to create a separate agency with thousands of marshals to constantly monitor business in the country.

Where problems exist, they might be more a cultural issue than a rights issue.

The Constitution says it's illegal to discriminate based on gender. If that pay gap actually existed, women could sue, and would win. The fact that Gloria Allred isn't involved exclusively in those lawsuits, tells me that it's not a real issue.

From what I have seen, the only statistic that shows women earn less tahn men, is if you compare all women to all men, which ignores the fact that men work more hours and are far more likely to pursue the most lucrative professions. Those professions don't have gender-based barriers to entry. It just reflects free choices that women in our clulture make.

Sea Dangles, you say you are a pro-choice Republican. If women earn less solely because they freely choose to work less hours, or because they freely choose less lucrative professions, I'd think you'd be celebrating their ability to make the choices that are the right fit for them.

Here's another article, written by a woman, who presumably would not be happy if there was an actual gender pay gap...this is a good read, takes 2 minutes...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html#

Jim , the United States Dept of Labor disagrees with you
Just google it and report back
Dol.gov/equalpay

Sorry,I have to make dinner before my wife gets home from work.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim , the United States Dept of Labor disagrees with you
Just google it and report back
Dol.gov/equalpay

Sorry,I have to make dinner before my wife gets home from work.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Is that site a joke? I see links to the Equal Pay Act, links to articles about "what women want", links congratulating Obama for being committed to the cause (which was really interesting, since you insulted me for citing something related to Obama). Now, I didn't read every link on that site, but I looked at all the titles (I think), and nowhere did I see data which suggests that women are paid less than comparable men. You said you could post many articles on the subject, and yet you haven't.

"I have to make dinner before my wife gets home from work"

Ask her, or your friend (former president of the NCPA) why that organization claims there is no gender pay gap. Maybe they can explain it to you better than I seem to be able.

Very, very curious why you insulted me for citing the Bureau Of Labor Statistics, yet it's OK for you to cite the Labor Dept, can't wait to hear that one.

Jim , the United States Dept of Labor disagrees with you
Just google it and report back
Dol.gov/equalpay

Sorry,I have to make dinner before my wife gets home from work.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Wait! There was a link to" white house facts one equal pay". I clicked on that, and ll it brought me to was that laughable study that says that full time working women earn 77% of what full-time working men make. Again, any college freshman taking Statistics 101 would find that laughable, beause it ignores the fact that men work more hours and are more likely to choose lucrative careers.

The studies I posted said that when you look at comparable men and women - a fundamental requirement in such an comparison - the pay gap disappears.

Keep reading and interpreting
You could work for Barack
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Keep reading and interpreting
You could work for Barack
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Maybe you don't know what "interpret" means. I interpreted nothing, I stated the "facts" as displayed in the 77% study that freshman statistics majors everywhere are laughing at...can't you post a link that looks at comparable groups of men and women? I won't ask again, if you don't post one, we'll all know it's because you can't.

Obviously comprehension is a foreign language you have not studied.
Enjoy your crow for dinner.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Obviously comprehension is a foreign language you have not studied.
Enjoy your crow for dinner.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I don't know about my reading comprehension, but I am a professional actuary, and therefore an expert at looking at data and figuring out what it means, and in this case, what it doesn't mean.

You claimed somewhere that for every study I posted showing there is no pay gap, you could post many that shows that there is a pay gap. So I asked you several times to post just one. You did not.

I posted numerous studies which show that when you normalize for occupation and hours worked, women make the same as men.

All the evidence on this thread, 100% of it, supports my claim and rejects your claim. You couldn't post a single thing to support your claim. Yet instead of admitting I might have a point, you repeatedly insulted me, and amazingly, you are sticking to your conclusion.

Jim,if you can't do a google search and find evidence to support my claim then what good are you?
Did you even try?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Jim,if you can't do a google search and find evidence to support my claim then what good are you?
Did you even try?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I did do a google search. And when I did that, here's what I found...

(1) Every article that claimed there is a gender pay gap, was simply comparing average salaries for men and women. Not one of these studies normalized for occupation or hours worked. Therefore, no one who ever took Stats 101 would ever conclude that the pay gap is a function of gender. This is precisely the case in th earticle cited in the only link you provided, from the Dept Of Labor.

(2) every study that did normalize for occupation and hours worked (which you need to do, to make it an apples to apples comparison) showed no gender pay gap.

Therefore, the data rejects the notion that we have a gender pay gap. What we have, is a situation where (all other things being equal)...those who work more hours, and those who choose the most lucrative positions, earn more than those who work fewer hours at less lucrative positions.

Shocker. In equally startling news, scientists announced today that water is wet.

We do not have a gender pay gap. We have a cultural effect where women tend to choose to work fewer hours, and women tend to choose less lucrative positions. That is a choice these women make, it is not remotely forced upon them. Again, since you self identify as "pro-choice", this should make you happy. If women (or men) want to maximize net worth, they can choose to work long hours as a hedge fund manager. If a woman (or a man) wants to leave work at 3:00 every day to greet her (his) kids getting off the school bus, there are plenty of opportunities that allow her (him) to do that. Choice all around!

Can you link one single study here, which supports your opinion? If not, I have a key question...what did you base your opinion on? I'd be genuilenly interested to hear it.

I posted several articles which directly address my point. You have posted none.

You could work for Barack
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

You really have me figured out.

Obama is the one promoting the lie that there is a gender-based pay gap. I'm pointing out that all the data sheds light to this myth, yet Obama keeps spreading what he knows is a lie, in order to score points with his base.

If that is the best you can do then Good Luck with your job.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Found this little tidbit talking about Her Majesty's record when she was a NY Senator in the context of equal pay. You would think that SHE would have this on her radar and not just let a chief of staff handle..

the median annual salary for a woman working in Clinton’s office was $15,708.38 less than the median salary for a man, according to the analysis of data compiled from official Senate expenditure reports. The analysis compiled the annual salaries paid to staffers for an entire fiscal year of work from the years 2002 to 2008. Salaries of employees who were not part of Clinton’s office for a full fiscal year were not included. Because the Senate fiscal year extends from Oct. 1 to Sept. 30, Clinton’s first year in the Senate, which began on Jan. 3, 2001, was also not included in the analysis.