I think we should make a run at gaining support for closing the ledge for a few seasons. Say June 1 thru august 30? If the for hire segment gets their 2 fish lets at least keep them from taking them off a spot that should have some protection?

You realize posts like this only inspire more people to fish there, right?
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Point well taken. Just very aggrivated over the inequality of the pending for hire fleet. Should be 1 @ 28 for everyone and if you done have a line in the water and stick and land the fish you don't get to keep it. Better still it should be 1 @ 28 to 31 and leave all the breeders alone for a couple of seasons.

If John wants to take this post down I won't be offended.

So you're suggesting excluding charter boats from a certain area but not anyone else?
Good luck with that.

No I am not suggesting that. Closed to everyone equally as things should be, equal!!

Like am mpa, horrible idea.
Once an area is closed it will never be opened again, ever.to anything
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Good. let the stock buid up there so its is so over populated we fish off the over flow. How much better could it get that that. Every year the fishing just gets better and better all around the island. Perhaps we should look at all the big holding grounds and do the same thing in every state. Lets make it better for our children nor worse or even status quoe.

Do whats best for the groupe in turn we do whats best for the individual.........simple logic

let's just Ban fishing.

Good. let the stock buid up there so its is so over populated we fish off the over flow. How much better could it get that that. Every year the fishing just gets better and better all around the island. Perhaps we should look at all the big holding grounds and do the same thing in every state. Lets make it better for our children nor worse or even status quoe.

I'm sure I'm stating the obvious here and I apologize if this sounds condescending , but you do realize fish have fins right? They just come to this particular spot to feed at a particular time if conditions are a particular way.
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Buckman I don't want to sound condescending or start an argument. You need to do some research on the migratory patterns of stripe bass and then we can continue this discussion.

Buckman I don't want to sound condescending or start an argument. You need to do some research on the migratory patterns of stripe bass and then we can continue this discussion.

i would suggest that you do the same.

If John wants to take this post down I won't be offended.


Nope - go right ahead, fire away

No surprise that the 3 charter captians chime in to say you have your head up your arse.

Hmm. Let's see. Bass leaving the Chesapeake head up south side of Long Island... Bass leave Hudson and ct rivers heading along the north side of Long Island.... They both meet at......... SW LEDGE.
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Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to ban fishing on SW ledge?
The offshore anglers are trying to ban fishing at fishtails!!!
15 years ago there was a movement to ban fishing at Race Point
No scupping at the Old Man
No fluking at Sakonnet
How about we allow them to fish there,just no bait...
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No surprise that the 3 charter captians chime in to say you have your head up your arse.

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Well, this is yet another direct post aimed at the Charter boats

. Just very aggrivated over the inequality of the pending for hire fleet. .

With little to no enforcement of the fishing ban in the EEZ off Block what makes you think there would be better enforcement of a ban on fishing at SW Ledge? If you want to make a difference why not start by garnering better enforcement of all existing rules, regulations and prohibited areas before arbitrarily adding in new off limit zones?

Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to ban fishing on SW ledge?
The offshore anglers are trying to ban fishing at fishtails!!!
15 years ago there was a movement to ban fishing at Race Point
No scupping at the Old Man
No fluking at Sakonnet
How about we allow them to fish there,just no bait...
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Are u out of ur f%$# mind no scupping at the old man. U just hit a touchy subject.

this is obviously a post made out of frustration regarding the (likely) inequities between the rec and comm sectors' impending striped-bass regulations.......

I don't think anyone really expects to close Southwest to fishing. but I get the sentiment

this is obviously a post made out of frustration regarding the (likely) inequities between the rec and comm sectors' impending striped-bass regulations.......

I don't think anyone really expects to close Southwest to fishing. but I get the sentiment

charter boats are recs
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charter boats are recs
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Mike, not trying to start a flame war but if charter boats are recs then they should be happy to abide by 1 fish per person per day and not fight to get 2 fish a day for themselves.

if you close one area where the large bass stage for part of the season why not close all of them?basically you would have to close a rather large large portion of the east coast from the carolinas to maine. every few years these areas change

With little to no enforcement of the fishing ban in the EEZ off Block what makes you think there would be better enforcement of a ban on fishing at SW Ledge?

Ding, ding, Ding

Mike, not trying to start a flame war but if charter boats are recs then they should be happy to abide by 1 fish per person per day and not fight to get 2 fish a day for themselves.

That was a direct answer to this.

this is obviously a post made out of frustration regarding the (likely) inequities between the rec and comm sectors'


why don't we close the breachways? or better yet THE CANAL!

Some enterprising individual started a FB page last season to close the canal to fishing...
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I can actually see a slight chance of that happening. The way some fishermen abuse and trash the place. Nothing like the smell of rotting fish around your house from dbs throwing racks in the bushes.
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No surprise that the 3 charter captians chime in to say you have your head up your arse.

Hmm. Let's see. Bass leaving the Chesapeake head up south side of Long Island... Bass leave Hudson and ct rivers heading along the north side of Long Island.... They both meet at......... SW LEDGE.
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I almost donated to your art project ( a fantastic idea BTW) but money will be a little tight this year 😊
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That was a direct answer to this.
Lol. Let's not get carried away. :). Us shore guys walk miles to find fishing areas. Please don't suggest taking away more ground. Plus I'll have no need to sell 3-4-5 ounce jigs if the canal closes. Tight lines and lets play nice and fish with a smile.



why don't we close the breachways? or better yet THE CANAL!
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Since quite a few people think closing areas is a good thing then why didn't we push for a moratorium on the stripers. This would stand a better chance of being adjusted in the future whereas once an area is closed for whatever reason it generally remains closed because you now get other groups involved, ie. PITA.
I would rather see a coast wide moratorium to help rebuild the stock. It meets the prerequisite of being simple to enforce and an be applied coast wide.
Ron

Since quite a few people think closing areas is a good thing then why didn't we push for a moratorium on the stripers. This would stand a better chance of being adjusted in the future whereas once an area is closed for whatever reason it generally remains closed because you now get other groups involved, ie. PITA.
I would rather see a coast wide moratorium to help rebuild the stock. It meets the prerequisite of being simple to enforce and an be applied coast wide.
Ron

I almost joked that sone of you were aligned with PITA but this is getting downright frightening
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^^I'm with Buckman on this one..
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Nature has a way of re-bounding
lets hope that happens here...

Simple then.................................1 @ 28 for everyone and if you dont stick it and land it its not yours to keep.

Nature has a way of re-bounding
lets hope that happens here...

Sure just like the codfish on the georges bank

I don't get the charter guys keeping their limit of big breeders, and fighting for 2 each. Shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot.....

Walking down the docks at Montauk the past 10 years and seeing a dozen 30 lb 40 lb bass behind each of the many boats there twice a day each it sure looks like the end is coming for the stripers.

Would anyone support 2 between 28 and 34. you would see the YOY explode and the big fish abound in 4 years? just imagine nothing over 16 pounds getting killed. Easy to enforce also, even at the fish market or any wholesale or retail outlet!!

I almost joked that sone of you were aligned with PITA but this is getting downright frightening
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile deviceI am not aligned with PITA but have had to deal with them in other arenas. Believe me you don't want to close areas as marine protective zones and then try and get the reopened. Ron

Would anyone support 2 between 28 and 34. you would see the YOY explode and the big fish abound in 4 years? just imagine nothing over 16 pounds getting killed. Easy to enforce also, even at the fish market or any wholesale or retail outlet!!

read this http://www.bayjournal.com/article/link_between_striped_bass_weather_suggests_stormy_ times_ahead_for_fish and then tell me about the YOY index.

No surprise that the 3 charter captians chime in to say you have your head up your arse.

Hmm. Let's see. Bass leaving the Chesapeake head up south side of Long Island... Bass leave Hudson and ct rivers heading along the north side of Long Island.... They both meet at......... SW LEDGE.
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Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Some enterprising individual started a FB page last season to close the canal to fishing...
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He probably wore tight pants and rode a bicycle 100 mph.
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read this http://www.bayjournal.com/article/link_between_striped_bass_weather_suggests_stormy_ times_ahead_for_fish and then tell me about the YOY index.

All the more reason to not kill the breeders if less of their eggs are reaching maturity. more eggs more chance of them hatching and surviving. Not rocket science.
Take a look at my name, I dont fish for small fish, its time to sacrifice a little for the sake of the fishery. I want my children and their children to be able to catch a fish that makes your heart pound out of your chest and do it standing on a rock. Lord knows I have killed my share of big fish and I would love to be able to do it again, but I will not do it if there is a chance my children are going to pay for it by not experiencing it with their children if they so desire. It looks like we all are fishing by the same regs anyway and that is a start....................not going to be enough to make a huge difference in a short period of time in my humble opinion

"Striped bass crashed because of overfishing in the 1980s, which was also a time when the AMO was in a phase unfavorable for their recruitment, so fish being caught were not being replaced. The ensuing rebound of striped bass stocks is often touted as a major fishery management success as managers took dramatic actions, including a coastwide moratorium, to protect the spawning stock. And it was. But Wood's work strongly suggests that managers also got lucky - their fishing moratorium coincided with an AMO shift that greatly improved striped bass spawning conditions. "Had the weather not turned, we would have been waiting longer for that recovery," he said."

This time we may not get so lucky.

Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Link please.

I have heard that about yearlings, but not about breeding age fish. I could not verify/replicate your statement.
An example of what I found.:
"Angler returns of tags have shown that Hudson River striped bass travel as far north as Nova Scotia, and as far south as North Carolina." http://www.hudsonriver.org/?x=sb/index

Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Ask Al Anderson how many Hudson River fish he has tagged.
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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8659%281990%29119%3C0910%3ARDOHRS%3E2.3.CO%3B2#.VQ h5NkKoukg

This clearly states that Hudson river fish go all over the place.

Link please.

I have heard that about yearlings, but not about breeding age fish. I could not verify/replicate your statement.
An example of what I found.:
"Angler returns of tags have shown that Hudson River striped bass travel as far north as Nova Scotia, and as far south as North Carolina." http://www.hudsonriver.org/?x=sb/index

See document attached from the U.S.F&WS

See document attached from the U.S.F&WS

Is that study not from 1983? Much more up to date data available than that.

Is that study not from 1983? Much more up to date data available than that.

FWS quotes a 1981 study by Mclaren, which I saw earlier today. The full paper wasn't available online, but what I could read of the original paper raised some questions to me about their conclusions so I dug around literature a bit. The 1981 paper seems to have been mostly dismissed since then. So yes, it is old and outdated info.

For example:
"Tagging studies performed between 1948 and 1952 concluded that theHudson River stock limited its movements outside the river to western Long Island (Raney et al. 1954). McLaren et
al. (1981), based on tagging done in 1976 and 1977 reported somewhat broader coastal movements, but only as far
northward as Newburyport, Massachusetts, and an absence of a relationship between fish length and distance from
the river. But tagging of striped bass conducted in the Hudson River between 1984 and 1988 showed an expansion
of range, with recoveries made northward as far as Maine and the Annapolis River, Nova Scotia (Waldman et al.
1990a). They also found a strong relationship between fish length and distance from the river, and interpreted the
absence of such a relationship in the results of McLaren et al. (1981) as an artifact of size-dependent tag retention
(Waldman et al. 1990b). "
http://www.esf.edu/efb/limburg/Hudson/Waldman_bookchapter.pdf

Nothing for nothing.
I turned a tag in for a bass about 20 pounds I caught off Rockport Mass.
When they sent me my lame hat I was informed the fish was tagged in the Hudson River.
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Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

I don't beleive most of what you say

I don't beleive most of what you say

Your loss, not mine.

Didn't Rhode Island go to 1 fish at 28" for all? You can come to nj and kill 2 at 28" and 1 over 43" per angler lol
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And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't like 90 percent of SW "closed"
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Well 3 miles of it is not closed and a lot more then that is fished illegally. ...so it doesn't matter how much is open or closed bc greedy ass people fish where they choose. So that point means 0 .....
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Well 3 miles of it is not closed and a lot more then that is fished illegally. ...so it doesn't matter how much is open or closed bc greedy ass people fish where they choose. So that point means 0 .....
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if you define ledge as a reef or rocky uprising from the ocean floor, then I would actually say about 95% of SW Ledge is outside the line, FWIW. It is relatively flat with a few small rockpiles between the rocky coastal environment of the SW Point/ Black Rock zone and The Ledge.

I think a lot of people fish in that coastal zone of SW Point / Black Rock, and call it SW Ledge, which it is not, IMO. Although it is not mud flats, it is rocky all the way to the ledge, and there can be fish holding almost anywhere...

if you define ledge as a reef or rocky uprising from the ocean floor, then I would actually say about 95% of SW Ledge is outside the line, FWIW. It is relatively flat with a few small rockpiles between the rocky coastal environment of the SW Point/ Black Rock zone and The Ledge.

I think a lot of people fish in that coastal zone of SW Point / Black Rock, and call it SW Ledge, which it is not, IMO. Although it is not mud flats, it is rocky all the way to the ledge, and there can be fish holding almost anywhere...

Absolutely correct. Plus in years past the green cops were out there issuing summonses to all of the boats fishing outside the line and at the sub buoy.

Absolutely correct. Plus in years past the green cops were out there issuing summonses to all of the boats fishing outside the line and at the sub buoy.

When targeting bluefish for sharking, we fish the ledge outside the 3 mile line and pretty much have the place to ourselves. Those periodic enforcements seem to leave an impression.