Is there anybody here that still believes TB12 had nothing to do with deflate gate?

i do

I just heard he still has the SIM card :)

As in "has to do" do you mean being railroaded?
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They should lock him up in the cell with Aaron Hernandez :-p
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Sure wish we knew ALL the facts (including other teams and officials handling of footballs), not just the he said - she said mumbo jumbo floating around. godells info leak campaign is bush league at best.

As in "has to do" do you mean being railroaded?
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As in "I left my phone on the train"?
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train , railroad
same difference

blah blah blah

At this point I don't know who
Or what to believe.
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ok so here is the facts

10 hours of deliberation ( 7 weeks ago) Which = BS they went to brunch/dinner & then proceeded to the movies and watched a re-run of Any givin Sunday:lama:

New rules by the NFL random ball checks Pre-game,half time and post:hihi:

and still no answer from a ten hour deliberation :rtfm:

kinda reminds me of old school WWF:jester:

I'm a lifelong Giants fan, but I have to admit, Brady has proven himself to be one of the best in the game. Do I think deflated footballs have contributed much to his success?? No, I don't, but the fact is he knowingly participated in an act that gave him an unfair advantage. You could almost call it cheating. What irks me is that some fans refuse to see it that way, almost like parents who can't admit when their child has done wrong. They put the blame on others or attempt to call attention to others' wrongdoings. It's likely that other teams are guilty of this, and perhaps more scrutiny needs to be given to this matter, but for now it's Brady and the Pats who are being made an example of.
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As I've said before, the NFL has about as much integrity as pro wrestling. When most of the players are HGH users a little air out of some footballs pales in comparison.
But who cares, JUST WIN BABY !
Every team out there would kill to go 4 for 6 in 15 years. Rules be damned.
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I'm a lifelong Giants fan, but I have to admit, Brady has proven himself to be one of the best in the game. Do I think deflated footballs have contributed much to his success?? No, I don't, but the fact is he knowingly participated in an act that gave him an unfair advantage. You could almost call it cheating. What irks me is that some fans refuse to see it that way, almost like parents who can't admit when their child has done wrong. They put the blame on others or attempt to call attention to others' wrongdoings. It's likely that other teams are guilty of this, and perhaps more scrutiny needs to be given to this matter, but for now it's Brady and the Pats who are being made an example of.
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This

Not the only rule changes in the offseason which are the result of our winning ways.
Also makes me wonder how Spence' kids will ever understand reality. We will call him Caitlynn.
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TOM BRADY FOR PRESIDENT 2016

He's proven he knows how to lie, would be perfect for the job !
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Everybody else is much better at cheating since they are not getting caught.

The process is seriously flawed.
Brady did himself no favors by destroying his phone.

If it goes to a federal court, the question will be if the league, as defendant, will be able to subpoena for phone and text records from the carrier. Does anyone really believe that info will disappear by simply destroying a phone???? That info is out there as soon as you hit send.....

League is a mess. Goodell trying to save face and integrity, but won't gain any traction with this event.
I have no doubt that Brady was involved with getting the balls conditioned to a "feel" or being broken in. Many ways to do so. With a group of new balls, presumably supplied for the Indy game, the last option available to get the "feel" would be air pressure. I am convinced he was involved as QB in that aspect, but doubt he was aware of what the PSI was, and probably didn't even know the min/max PSI allowed. The feel would be more important than the PSI and that changes according to temp and usage. BUT, he certainly did not comply or come clean with the investigation, flawed as it was. He did what many would do and tried to cover his azz..... He should have been more forth coming sooner....
The longer this goes on, the worse it will be on his "legacy", which is really what he is fighting for. Oh, another word for that would be money....

Anyway its put >>>>T/B is still gettng paid & still getting laid .............. Both are super sweet to end the day with ><<>:lama:

Its air people......a half a pound of air. Can we move on?

was he involved? Maybe maybe not.

The entire investigation was mishandled as was the reports and reporting - factual and otherwise

Fabrication to build up hype ;)
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All this to cover up the fact that those footballs were never checked pre game other than a squeeze test...that's what this is all about...no doubt in my mind Brady told the stooges how he liked the foot balls PRE GAME...when it was legal to do so... those Refs never bothered to actually put a gauge to them until after the fact... the NFL are the ones covering up...my way of thinking if Brady was that fussy about the PSI.. there was not enough time to gauge the footballs balls to the exact pressure that seems so important to those blinded by hate...meanwhile rapist and domestic abuse/child abuse cases go virtually unpunished... players on certain teams try to end the careers of other players with helmet to helmet head shots and shots to the knees.. owners pump crowd noise and heat into the buildings in an effort to gain a competitive edge...at this point I truly am done with the NFL... I'd rather watch women's soccer or stick a fork in my eye that contribute to the fallacy that is the NFL...it gives me a good reason to make more plugs.

I just know I'm disappointed. I was looking forward to football particularly in light of the miserable season the Red Sox are having.

they should random flatulence checks on roger's butt at halftime

So if I read this correctly Brady doesn't actually come back until Week 6 because they have an early bye week. Oh Geez, thats a prime time game against the Colts, the team that set this whole thing off. Probably gets playoff like ratings. NFL makes a boat load of cash. League is a juggernaut. They don't loose, even with a dope like Goodell running things.

I think Jimmy G goes 3-1. Inflates (see what I did there) his trade value, Pats sling him to some team before the deadline for picks or a god willing a corner. Brady comes back in F U mode and lays waste to the rest of the season. F U Brady is the Best Brady. We're on to Week 6!

I like watching women's soccer.
Lingerie football is absolutely the best thing to watch, no doubt !
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Based on the Kraft news conference looks like this will now get nasty in court. Who knows what will happen but the damage to all brands has been done. Now they may take other people down with them. NFL wanted a court fight - they got it.

Not the only rule changes in the offseason which are the result of our winning ways.
Also makes me wonder how Spence' kids will ever understand reality. We will call him Caitlynn.
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Why would I read anything into a deliberate smear attack that intentionally leaked false information multiple times to shape the public opinion?

The whole thing, regardless of anything being intentional or not, is brilliant because it has made a lot of money and created additional publicity for the NFL.

The whole thing, regardless of anything being intentional or not, is brilliant because it has made a lot of money and created additional publicity for the NFL.

And it got the focus of attention off Goodell for his lack of action on numerous other serious issues and felonious activities by NFL players.

My biggest issue with this is with the Arbitrary Punishments that Goodell throws around....absolutely no consistency.

In 2006 the Jets get caught taping the Pats from a non-approved location and get fined.....Nothing
In 2007 the Patriots get caught taping the Jets from a non-approved location and get fined...$500,000 for the Team, $250,000 for the Coach, and the loss of First Round Pick

In 2014 the Carolina panthers got caught, on film, heating footballs during the game and got fined.....Nothing
In 2012 the San Diego chargers got caught hiding stickum in towels, and refused to give the towels to the refs, and they were fined.......$20,000
In 2015 the Patriots get accused of deflating footballs, a $10,000,000 investigation ensues, which determines that something might have happened and the Patriots get fined......$1,000,000 to the Team, loss of 2 draft picks, and a 4 game suspension for their Quarter Back

and for those saying that Brady is getting fined for not giving up his personal phone....
In 2010 Brett Favre is accused of Sexually Harassing another Jets employee by Sending pictures of his #^&#^&#^&#^& to her, he refuses to give up his phone and he is fined......$50,000
In 2015 Tom Brady is accused of having the footballs deflated a friggin pound, he refuses to Give up his phone and he is fined.....a 4 game suspension which amounts to $1,750,000

Goodell's Integrity is a friggin joke

great points!

well, most legal experts are saying that the NFL doesn't really have a leg to stand on in federal court on this, so it seems that Tom will end up playing the entire season anyway.

well spoken tdf

A close lawyer friend in DC said Brady will get off, the NFL does not have anything that will stick to the wall.
Ps, He is a Redskin fan.
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And so now that the NFL's case against #12 is completely falling apart, when will all the haters start the migration?

After reading the majority of the transcript I admit to having a new outlook. I am still wondering what type of motivation Goodell has to let it get to this point. I am leaning towards the Spence/ Incognito camp and wondering how a company that size can do business in this manner.
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goodell is basking in the sunshine of all the haters and losers. his hatred for bb extends to tb. love to see the keystone cops sting op exposed.

If you think about it Chris, considering he screwed up on the Rice thing and listened to public opinion about the outrage then over punished, he also let things hang out there in this case to see which way the wind blows and listened as the media covered all across the country how the haters wanted Brady's head on a platter, so seeing how he could not find guilt from Bill, he completely reamed the team and whacked Brady hard. He let it fester so much there was no going back. I think they had no clue about how the weather can effect ball pressure so they already had their minds made up when Kensil told the Patriot guy you're in big f ing trouble. The investigation was a witch hunt and now Roger is contradicting and continues to make s h it up as he goes along changes things to suit his agenda to make himself look good but smart people should see thru this, the other owners go along with it but if this happens to them, and it will eventually, they will sing another tune like Kraft now does.

one thing led to another

I am still convinced that when Brady looked guilty at the early press conference, he was just given reports of 11 of 12 balls under 2 pounds low, and had no idea how that could be and did not know how that happened or had no explanation so everyone thought/assumed he did something.

I find it very hard to believe he would ever condone tampering with balls after the officials approve them, it never happened and never would.

Goodell needs to be replaced by someone capable, he has shown he is not capable.

Judge to NFL; "where is the evidence?" Questioned the independence of the Wells report. Pointed remarks made to Brady's team too.

Brady camp does not appear to be willing to make ANY deal.

But this thing is continued until the 19th????? What a waste of resources given the coverage......

The lack of evidence is what may eliminate the suspension. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is what will save Toms butt most likely.
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The lack of evidence is what may eliminate the suspension. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is what will save Toms butt most likely.
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Save his butt or pull the veil
Off of the NFL's BS case on what was truly a non issue fabricated by butt hurt Former jets employees? And ego hurt HC of the Ravens.

As the truth comes out via a truly independent arbitrator the NFL is looking ridiculous
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i am more concerned about the bills hiring
the guy (51) after he sucker punched the jets QB
breaking his Jaw....

on Brady - :point: glad to see a JUDGE takin up the cause

I can't get past him destroying his phone and the timing of it.

I can't get past him destroying his phone and the timing of it.
Even with his text records turned over with no missing content? :deadhorse:

I can't get past him destroying his phone and the timing of it.
I think it was more of an 'eff you courtesy of your union lawyers. If they believed there was no evidence of any wrong doing they're not destroying any evidence and I'm sure there would be PLENTY of embarrassing personal stuff for the League to selectively leak.

It was good to see Judge Berman completely discounted any texts that did not revolve around the "game in question". I think the NFLs case was that deflating footballs was an ongoing conspiracy by Brady in previous games. They can't use that argument anymore. I'm still thinking a monetary fine is the compromise in exchange for complete NFL statement of exoneration for Brady. Both sides get "something" and everyone should be happy.

I'm sure there would be PLENTY of embarrassing personal stuff for the League to selectively leak.

The NFL has shown such discretion in regards to this matter. I can't imagine him not trusting them with personal info. (Sarcasm for those that are slow waking up this morning)
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It was good to see Judge Berman completely discounted any texts that did not revolve around the "game in question". I think the NFLs case was that deflating footballs was an ongoing conspiracy by Brady in previous games. They can't use that argument anymore. I'm still thinking a monetary fine is the compromise in exchange for complete NFL statement of exoneration for Brady. Both sides get "something" and everyone should be happy.

If they exonerate Brady then there should be zero fine.....you can't fine somebody who has been found not guilty.

and they got there pound of flesh in the form of a $1,000,000 fine and 2 draft picks from the Pats Organization.

Goodell could have avoided this whole friggin fiasco if he put his ego aside and just hit the Pats with a small fine in the beginning.....say.....$25,000 like its supposed to be.

I would guess this now has more to do with collective bargaining arbitration process than PSI.
May set a precedent for other labor unions CBA'S down the road.
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I drove down rt1 last night while the game was being played.
Got to laugh at the vendors selling the "Free Tom Brady" posters and shirts.
Free him from what ?
Jail, slavery ????
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How about unjust persecution!!

I drove down rt1 last night while the game was being played.
Got to laugh at the vendors selling the "Free Tom Brady" posters and shirts.
Free him from what ?
Jail, slavery ????
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the prison of wrong public perception
brought to him by circumstances formed,twisted and carried thru by a bunch of whiny babies

the prison of wrong public perception
brought to him by circumstances formed,twisted and carried thru by a bunch of whiny babies

All over the Internet the last few days, looks like Tom is getting freed from Gizelle.
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say it isn't so

Anyone else hear this story about Brady & Ben Affleck double teaming Affleck's nanny on an airplane (or London Bridging as it was told to me)
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I read that Tom and Ben are an item now.....not that there's anything wrong with that....

Anyone else hear this story about Brady & Ben Affleck double teaming Affleck's nanny on an airplane (or London Bridging as it was told to me)
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no but I have heard that is is well known around the league that the Pats have been getting away with lots of stuff for years. rumors equal perception right? then perception is reality, I see how it works

Is there anybody here that still believes TB12 had nothing to do with deflate gate?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/judge-offers-final-ruling-on-tom-brady-suspension-in-deflate-gate-221425352.html

After more than seven months, several millions of dollars and big talking from the league and commissioner Roger Goodell in the deflate-gate controversy, the first time someone independent looked at the case against Tom Brady it was thrown out.

What a colossal waste of court time.
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I never had any doubt
the NFL has no clue how to police their league

i like to think of it as the People's League
NFL just makes up rules

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/judge-offers-final-ruling-on-tom-brady-suspension-in-deflate-gate-221425352.html"]http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/judge-offers-final-ruling-on-tom-brady-suspension-in-deflate-gate-
After more than seven months, several millions of dollars and big talking from the league and commissioner Roger Goodell in the deflate-gate controversy, the first time someone independent looked at the case against Tom Brady it was thrown out.

Mako, I also read that the penalty for Brady was nullified. But if you think he knew nothing of the deflation then I am guessing you also believed OJ was innocent because of his verdict. One thing almost all legal analysts agree on is TB actually did have a general idea that the balls were tampered with. In the case of deflation vs the Colts the evidence was not enough to warrent a 4 game suspension due to contractual language. I am thrilled regardless.
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The only fail here is on the leagues shoulders, no one elses, no ones.
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I am guessing you also believed OJ was innocent because of his verdict.
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Nice comparison. Hahaha
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Mako, I also read that the penalty for Brady was nullified. But if you think he knew nothing of the deflation then I am guessing you also believed OJ was innocent because of his verdict. One thing almost all legal analysts agree on is TB actually did have a general idea that the balls were tampered with. In the case of deflation vs the Colts the evidence was not enough to warrent a 4 game suspension due to contractual language. I am thrilled regardless.
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Had everyone not huffed that FAKE report that 11 of 12 balls were 2 lbs under I wonder how biases may have formed differently.

Had everyone not huffed that FAKE report that 11 of 12 balls were 2 lbs under I wonder how biases may have formed differently.

Why does it matter now?
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Mako, I also read that the penalty for Brady was nullified. But if you think he knew nothing of the deflation then I am guessing you also believed OJ was innocent because of his verdict. One thing almost all legal analysts agree on is TB actually did have a general idea that the balls were tampered with. In the case of deflation vs the Colts the evidence was not enough to warrent a 4 game suspension due to contractual language. I am thrilled regardless.
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You and I are "generally aware" that people exceed the speed limit on the MA pike, should we be fined for it?

That is too hard to debate
Kudos
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