http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/05/carson-pyramids-used-as-grain-silos.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/11/05/carson-pyramids-used-as-grain-silos.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

That the pyramids were built to store grain or that Carson believes it?

I like this one even better...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259100-report-trump-tweets-image-of-jeb-and-nazi-swastika

And these men are dominating the GOP primary.

Faccking idiots.
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That the pyramids were built to store grain or that Carson believes it?

I like this one even better...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259100-report-trump-tweets-image-of-jeb-and-nazi-swastika

And these men are dominating the GOP primary.

Trump is an embarassment.

Over on your side, the primaries are dominated by a woman who (1) claimed she was under sniper attack at an airport, and (2) claimed that her husband didn't cheat on her, but rather was the innocent victim of a GOP conspiracy. In second place, we have a card-carrying socialist, who thinks we should be like Denmark. Denmark is a tiny country that is overwhelmingly white, and they don't like to let anyone else in because they know they can't afford it. Other than that, it's exactly like America.

Back it up Jim. The guy who you support thinks that the pyramids were built to hold grain. That is about as delusional as you can get. Oh wait... Is he a creationist who believes the bible is the final word on everything ?

Does he still believe in Santa Claus ?
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Let's go back to the stone ages while we are at it. :rotfl:
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Back it up Jim. The guy who you support thinks that the pyramids were built to hold grain. That is about as delusional as you can get. Oh wait... Is he a creationist who believes the bible is the final word on everything ?

Does he still believe in Santa Claus ?
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I kind of switched to Rubio when Carson said he didn't think we should have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Carson says too many strange things for me to be comfortable with. That said, if he won the primary, I'd happily vote for him over anyone on the other side.

"That is about as delusional as you can get."

Is it? Do we know for a certainty that the pramids, in addition to holding mummies, weren't also built to hold grain? The guy who built them, isn't around to ask. So how certain are we that Carson is wrong? Look, I agree it's strange.

How is that nearly as delusional as Hilary saying she came under sniper attack at an airport, when the video shows no such thing ever happened?

I'll take a guy who understands elementary school arithmetic (which no one who subscribes to liberal economics has any grasp of), but is off base about the storage intentions of those who built the pyramids.

Let's go back to the stone ages while we are at it. :rotfl:
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I'll tell you what. In Chicago, the federal courts have recently ruled that schools cannot tell boys to shower in the boys' locker room, and girls to shower in the girls' locker room. That's discriminatory to kids who choose not to define themselves that way.

If that's "progress", well, you can keep it. I don't want to go back to the Stone Ages, but a return to the old fashioned common sense and family values of the 1950s, would be fine by me.

Boom!

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21677613-far-bolstering-generosity-religious-upbringing-diminishes-it-matthew-2239?fsrc=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/matthew2239

Boom!

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21677613-far-bolstering-generosity-religious-upbringing-diminishes-it-matthew-2239?fsrc=scn/fb/te/pe/ed/matthew2239

Seriously, in all seriousness...are you OK? This study claims to show that little kids in religious homes, were less likely to share their stickers than kids in non-religious homes. And from this, you conclude that religion is actually a deterrent to being generous?

Here, that right-wing paper called The New York Times, discusses a study on the subject called "Who Really Cares". From the article, written again by a NYT columnist...

"It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more".

Just in case you missed it, here it is again. From the New York Times, mind you...

"It’s true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more"

Conservatives give more than liberals, and the reason is religion.

Spence, studies aside...you really think that in this country at this time, religion makes people less charitable? Do you genuinely believe that atheism leads to greater generosity, than judeo-christian principles?

In all seriousness, that post of yours actually made me sad. I didn't know that you were that unable to think rationally when it comes to politics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

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"That is about as delusional as you can get."

Is it? Do we know for a certainty that the pramids, in addition to holding mummies, weren't also built to hold grain? The guy who built them, isn't around to ask. So how certain are we that Carson is wrong? Look, I agree it's strange.



Paging sea dangles. Come in sea dangles. Time for a taliban retort


Umm there are these things called hiloglyphics. They depict a story and they are all over the insides of the pyramids. People have actually read them and they tell the story of the Pharos and which ones were buried there. And oh my gosh!!! This happened before Adam and Eve. Is that why you believe this ?
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Paging sea dangles. Come in sea dangles. Time for a taliban retort


Umm there are these things called hiloglyphics. They depict a story and they are all over the insides of the pyramids. People have actually read them and they tell the story of the Pharos and which ones were buried there. And oh my gosh!!! This happened before Adam and Eve. Is that why you believe this ?
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OK, you got me and Carson there. As I said earlier, it's a weird thing to say.

"Is that why you believe this ?"

I don't know what it is you think I believe here. But whatever it is you think I believe, you are most likely mistaken.

As weird a thing as it is to believe that...it's not nearly as crazy as Hilary's claims of sniper fire, for which we have video evidence to show that she absolutely lied through her teeth.

Carson isn't lying, he's just most likely wrong. Has he ever said why he believes this?

He's probably saying this as a vieled (did I spell that right?) outreach to the American taliban who view the bible as gospel truth and make every one of life's decisions based on it. While this might be a wonderful approach to the head of a household it is a nightmare as head of state who has to deal constantly with other nationalities who are non believers.
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What a dolt. And what a bunch of dolts who actually believe that earth is only 6000 years old.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carson-egyptian-pyramid-theory-says-aliens-werent-involved
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I'm sorry if I am being harsh here but there's a big problem with reality here.
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The current Repub. party has bc the party of "crazy birds" or whatever McCain called them.

His admiting he tried to kill someone, his stabbing someone, his attacking his mother w/a hammer, throwing a rock at someone's face, punching someone w/his fist around a lock won't make a bit of a difference to Repub. They will say it makes him strong.

If he wants to ramp up his fund raising, he needs to start throwing more insults around.

The current Repub. party has bc the party of "crazy birds" or whatever McCain called them.

His admiting he tried to kill someone, his stabbing someone, his attacking his mother w/a hammer, throwing a rock at someone's face, punching someone w/his fist around a lock won't make a bit of a difference to Repub. They will say it makes him strong.

If he wants to ramp up his fund raising, he needs to start throwing more insults around.

"The current Repub. party has bc the party of "crazy birds" or whatever McCain called them. "

OK, so every single Republican in the country, is gauged by the dumbest, meanest things that the current top 2 candidates say?

The top 2 on the other side are Hilary and Bernie. You want to be associated with the most outlandish things those 2 have said? You want to be held accountable for the fact that Hilary said that Bill didn't cheat on her, but he was being framed by the Republicans?

I think the 'Twilight Zone' theme could be the official song for the top 2 on both sides.

On the GOP side, it's unlikely that either Trump or Carson will be the nominee. Iowa is a funny state, sometimes fringe candidates do well there, and quickly fade away immediately after. I believe Rick Perry and Rick Santorum were the 2 previous winners in Iowa. Iowa is an early state, and carries a lot of weight early on.

You are right, it's embarassing to me that these 2 guys are in front. If I were a Democrat, I would be similarly ashamed of the top 2 on that side. SImilarly, Hilary can tell one lie after another, blame every scandal on a right wing conspiracy, and the voters don't hold her accountable (see every post by Spence in the Benghazi thread for examples of what I am referring to).

It's not unique to the GOP. But it's deranged, and I don't like it any more than you do.

Carson and Trump need to step aside and let the adults talk.

Come on fellas, U did not C the chickens picking on the ground around them tombs.....had to B grain silos........LMAO.....:)

That is almost as bad as your president sitting in Jeremiah Wright’s church for years saying he never heard Wright put down the United States.....:)

And what about this nut case Nancy Pelosi has drawn conservative scorn for her salacious lie about conservatives, this time accusing Americans protesting ObamaCare of wearing “swastika armbands”:....:)

Maybe Carson can go feed the chickens...lol...:)

A lie is different than telling the TRUTH.
THATS WHAT BLOWS MY MIND !!! Carson is telling the truth here and it is way better than a lie ::rotfl:
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OK, so every single Republican in the country, is gauged by the dumbest, meanest things that the current top 2 candidates say?


Well isn't that what do do constantly? You find some liberal that did something you don't like and start a thread about the damn liberals.

Reagan would have problem these days. He incr. taxes. Nixon started the EPA. A hero like McCain gets made fun off and Trumps popularity goes up. Both sides have crazies but the Repubs. Have gotten way worse.
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It has become like that fake wrestling stuff. You can't make it up. I find it sad that Jim is on here speaking as a republican as I can assure you they are not all towing the line. His Salem witch trials style of debate only bolsters the opinion of those who may think otherwise. To describe it as a dead horse would be generous.
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He's probably saying this as a vieled (did I spell that right?) outreach to the American taliban who view the bible as gospel truth and make every one of life's decisions based on it. While this might be a wonderful approach to the head of a household it is a nightmare as head of state who has to deal constantly with other nationalities who are non believers.
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Turn it around--would it be a nightmare to have a President who is a non-believer constantly having to deal with other nationalities who are believers--or as an American having to deal with other nationalities?

May sound like a silly question, but how would Carson's belief in the pyramids as graineries theory debilitate his ability to be POTUS? Did it hurt his ability as a neurosurgeon? How did past President's who were believers, even those considered "great," manage the task without creating nightmares because of their belief?

Why did you consider a bigot someone who would not support a Muslim being President? Why would a believer such as a Muslim who believes not only in a supernatural being, and needs, what you belittle, that little book to tell him how to live, and who believes in a governing system that is in total contradiction to your belief in what a government is allowed to do--why would such a believer not be a nightmare? You prefer that to one who would follow the Constitution, which would not let his peculiar beliefs about pyramids or any other thing to affect his duties as President? Are you a bigot?

There have been effective Presidents, even great ones, who have had strange ideosyncracies.

Would you refuse his services as a neurosurgeon in an emergency because of what he believes about pyramids?

I would much rather have someone at the helm of this country who had both eyes on the road and not both in the clouds.

As for operating on my brain, I would review his track record... If he had good success with many patients, then sure.. Crack my skull and work your magic.
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I would much rather have someone at the helm of this country who had both eyes on the road and not both in the clouds.

As for operating on my brain, I would review his track record... If he had good success with many patients, then sure.. Crack my skull and work your magic.
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His track record is superior . . . to say the least. And it includes success with a lot more patients than most. And it has required of him to have both eyes on the road.

Read this short article then decide whether he keeps his eyes on the road, and whether he can handle both the road and various clouds of his preference, and whether the clouds interfere with his ability to also keep both eyes on the road:

http://www.fastcompany.com/33611/brain-surgery

It gives a brief insight, as well, in how he handles pressure, planning, leadership, team cooperation, various problems. And also gives insight into his skill (a science based skill by-the-way), ability to communicate, essential need to be realistic (reality rather than clouds) in surgery, and his calm demeanor which infuses confidence in those around him in his ability creating the calm necessary for a successful outcome.

All the above would be qualities which would lead to a successful President, not a nightmare. Even if he has strange notions about pyramids.

His track record is superior . . . to say the least. And it includes success with a lot more patients than most. And it has required of him to have both eyes on the road.

Read this short article then decide whether he keeps his eyes on the road, and whether he can handle both the road and various clouds of his preference, and whether the clouds interfere with his ability to also keep both eyes on the road:

http://www.fastcompany.com/33611/brain-surgery

It gives a brief insight, as well, in how he handles pressure, planning, leadership, team cooperation, various problems. And also gives insight into his skill (a science based skill by-the-way), ability to communicate, essential need to be realistic (reality rather than clouds) in surgery, and his calm demeanor which infuses confidence in those around him in his ability creating the calm necessary for a successful outcome.

All the above would be qualities which would lead to a successful President, not a nightmare. Even if he has strange notions about pyramids.
He is not a Democrat and that is all some people look for in a candidate.
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A lie is different than telling the TRUTH.

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it's incredible, the kinds of things that can be learned here on a daily basis :huh:

it's incredible, the kinds of things that can be learned here on a daily basis :huh:

Think about it. To lie about something like this takes some brains, but to actually believe something like this proves the guy is an idiot.
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:huh::confused:

I rest my case. No need to further prove my point
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I'll take an honest believer over a calculating liar any day....I find that it doesn't take much brains to lie....just practice..if you lie enough and get away with it..you end up thinking you're really smart...it doesn't really make you smart.....as we've seen


I was curious about this although on the totem pole of things I care about regarding the intelligence, character and honesty of a candidate it's right at the bottom(read Carson's bio if you think he's an idiot), I'd say that it seems the construction and purpose of the pyramids is still quite a mystery about which there are many theories despite all of our technology and wisdom...I don't care how they were made or for what purpose they were constructed

the grain storage theory was first proposed by Gregory of Tours (540-594) who thought that Pyramids were granaries built by the biblical Joseph in which he kept the harvest of the fat years.

that some here are so animated and disturbed by this quote just demonstrates how sad the situation is for the fans of the remaining leftist candidates who represent both a calculating liar and an honest believer(in a system of governance which is deeply un-American)

He also has zero political experience. Zero.
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He also has zero political experience. Zero.
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so? seems like those with extensive political experience become the problem rather than the solution

I don't see Bernie Sander's time in office as leading to corruption or bad decision making. But you are right.
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I don't see Bernie Sander's time in office as leading to corruption or bad decision making. But you are right.
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I don't see it leading to much of anything, what is Sanders signature accomplishment(political career began in 1971) beyond complaining and getting elected?

I found this under accomplishments " Champion of the common American" :laugha:

you will find out soon enough.
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Didn't he say during the debate he had nothing to do with a company (diet company??) but that was rated something like a "fully not true". Didn't see the debate but thought I remember reading something about that.

Well isn't that what do do constantly? You find some liberal that did something you don't like and start a thread about the damn liberals.

Reagan would have problem these days. He incr. taxes. Nixon started the EPA. A hero like McCain gets made fun off and Trumps popularity goes up. Both sides have crazies but the Repubs. Have gotten way worse.
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"You find some liberal that did something you don't like and start a thread about the damn liberals."

True, to an extent. But when I do that, I'm usually pointing out a policy platform that is embraced by liberals in general. There are certain generalizations you can make about each side (liberals are pro-union, conservatives don't like increased gun control,etc).

"A hero like McCain gets made fun off and Trumps popularity goes up"

That's a source of shame to me, you are 100% correct there. My best explanation is that people are so sick of hearing Obama say things lke "Republicans gotta stop just hating all the time". We don't want a McCain who will simply sit there and take that insult, we need someone who will fight back. In my opinion, we can do a lot better then Trump.

"Both sides have crazies but the Repubs. Have gotten way worse."

I really hope Trump is a temporary phase. Remember, 75% of Republicans are supporting someone else. When more of those "someone elses" drop out, the anti-Trump vote will consolidate around a Rubio or a Cruz or a Christie, and Trump will go away.

Is Trump more of a kook than Bernie Sanders? Trump is more of a jerk, he's more bombastic. But Trump's policies and ideas are far less crazy, in my opinion, than Bernie's.

I am embarassed that Trump is where he is. I cannot begin to argue with you there, you are absolutely correct.

I would much rather have someone at the helm of this country who had both eyes on the road and not both in the clouds.


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Said the guy who supports Bernie Sanders.

Hey everyone, free college! Free healthcare! Open the borders, we'll give freebies to everyone, what could go wrong with that?

You think you get to be a world-class pediatric neurosurgeon with both eyes constantly in the clouds?

He also has zero political experience. Zero.
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First, there is an upside to considering someone who spent hi slife actually doing things in the real world, as opposed to choosing from people who spent their whole life in Washington, doing nothing except attending cocktail parties and telling everyone what a big lasagna they are.

Second, Bernie has been in DC for what, 85 years? What has he done? What has he accomplished? What productive policies has he taken a leadership role on? Or has he dedicated his entire life to doing noihtng except nmaking sure he wins the next re-election?

Didn't he say during the debate he had nothing to do with a company (diet company??) but that was rated something like a "fully not true". Didn't see the debate but thought I remember reading something about that.

I saw that part. he said he gave a paid speech at the company, and that he uses their product, and that's the extent of his relationship with that company. The moderator pushed back, sayoing that Carson's photo was on the company's website, Carson said if that was true, it was done without his knowledge.

Is what Carson said, not true?

First, there is an upside to considering someone who spent hi slife actually doing things in the real world, as opposed to choosing from people who spent their whole life in Washington, doing nothing except attending cocktail parties and telling everyone what a big lasagna they are.

Second, Bernie has been in DC for what, 85 years? What has he done? What has he accomplished? What productive policies has he taken a leadership role on? Or has he dedicated his entire life to doing noihtng except nmaking sure he wins the next re-election?

It's not what he has done but what he has stood up for and what the broken system has kept him from doing.
Do you understand the label of "progressive" in the definition of progressive liberal ?
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Bernies biggest accomplishment in my opinion is not selling out to Corperate interests.
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It's not what he has done but what he has stood up for and what the broken system has kept him from doing.
Do you understand the label of "progressive" in the definition of progressive liberal ?
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"but what he has stood up for"

Nebe, the easiest thing in the world, especially in times of despair and stress (like now), is to tell people what they want to hear. And what most sheep want to hear is, "it's not your fault. That white guy over there, in the Brooks Brothers suit with the big yacht, HE stole your birthright! Elect me and I'll make damn sure it doesn't happen again".

What these snake-oil salesmen never do, is tell you how they are going to do it, in a way that doesn't destroy everything.

Do you really believe that Bernie is the first one to figure out how to make college and healthcare "free"? No one else has been able to pull that off until he came along?

"Do you understand the label of "progressive" in the definition of progressive liberal ?"

I know what it is. I can't quite say that i "understand" it. I can't quite "understand" an agenda that places convenience ahead of human life, which would rather let illegal aliens with convicted felonies roam around killing Americans than locking them up, which refuses to say that white cops kill far fewer black people than fellow black citizens, and can't even bring themselves to say "if you have a wee-wee, you go to the boy's bathroom, and if you have a vagina, you go to the girls' bathrom".

When a large group of educated, seemingly normal people can't even agree on that for Christ's sake, then no, I cannot say I understand it. My brain's ability to fantasize has its limits.

Bernies biggest accomplishment in my opinion is not selling out to Corperate interests.
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No, he sells out to union interests. They give him money, he uses that union money to get elected, and then is beholden to the unions, so he rewards unions with pork.

Now, if you take out the word "unions" and substitute "corporations", what's the difference, exactly?

If not selling out to corporate interests is so vital to you, you should be equally impresed with Dr Carson. He made his own way, he hasn't sold out, right?

Carson has said some strange things that make me wince in the way I did with Sarah Palin, though he is obviously far more intelligent and serious. Has carson ever said anything as crazy, as suggetsing that women fantasize about being gang-raped? Because that's what Bernie said.

How about we stop digging through the entire life history of every candidate, looking for some embarassing quote on a non-issue, in the hope that we find something to club them with?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/29/ben-carson/debate-ben-carson-says-he-has-no-connection-mannat/

Ben Carson said it’s "total propaganda" to suggest he had any connection to Mannatech, a maligned nutritional supplement company.

At the Oct. 28 Republican presidential debate, hosted by CNBC in Boulder, Colo., moderator Carl Quintanilla asked Carson about his involvement with the company.

"This is a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a 10-year relationship," Quintanilla said. "They offered claims they could cure autism, cancer. They paid $7 million to settle a deceptive marketing lawsuit in Texas, and yet your involvement continues. Why?"

"Well, that’s easy to answer: I didn’t have an involvement with them," replied Carson, a former pediatric neurosurgeon. "That is total propaganda. And this is what happens in our society -- total propaganda. I did a couple speeches for them. I did speeches for other people. They were paid speeches. It is absolutely absurd to say that I had any kind of relationship with them. Do I take the product? Yes. I think it’s a good product."

Mannatech sells nutritional supplement pills made from larch tree bark and aloe, ingredients with disputed health benefits. The company in 2009 settled the lawsuit, which stemmed from claims that the company was deceptively pitching cures and treatments for illnesses such as cancer and even Down Syndrome.

For Carson to say he "didn’t have an involvement with" Mannatech is a stretch. While he was not any sort of employee for the company as far as we can tell, it’s hard to see the speeches he’s delivered, as well as other promotional work, as anything but a full-throated endorsement of the product. Further, Mannatech appears to view Carson as a product promoter.

First, the speeches. Carson has delivered four to Mannatech, according to the Wall Street Journal. Carson has written these paid remarks off as just several of many diverse speeches the Washington Speakers Bureau have booked for him. But in the speeches, he talks about his personal fondness for the product, which he started taking in conjunction with cancer treatment years ago.

For example, Carson delivered remarks to Mannatech sales associates in 2004. In the speech, he talked about his introduction to Mannatech’s supplements and a personal conversation he had with the company’s lead doctor.

"I started taking the product, and within about three weeks, my symptoms went away," adding that he toyed with the idea of using only the supplements, rather than undergoing cancer surgery. He said in the remarks that it would be inappropriate for him to be an official spokesman or sales associate, but he does refer people to Mannatech.

Since then, he has appeared in Mannatech-produced videos that appear to be promotional materials. In 2011, he answered questions in an interview with Mannatech’s co-CEO and chief science officer. In a 2013 Mannatech video, Carson described his experience with nutritional supplements.

"The wonderful thing about a company like Mannatech is that they recognize that when God made us, he gave us the right fuel. And that fuel was the right kind of healthy food," Carson said in the 2013 video. "Basically what the company is doing is trying to find a way to restore natural diet as a medicine or as a mechanism for maintaining health."

Carson also talked about his use of nutritional supplements on PBS in 2014, and Mannatech promoted the interview on its homepage. While it’s no longer accessible, the Mannatech website had a specific tag for all articles about Carson.

Carson’s campaign requested that Mannatech remove some videos and articles featuring Carson from its website. And since media outlets have started poking around this question, Mannatech has taken down even more, according to reporters at the Wall Street Journal.

Our ruling

Carson said, "I didn’t have an involvement with" the nutritional supplement company Mannatech.

As far as we can tell, Carson was not a paid employee or official endorser of the product. However, his claim suggests he has no ties to Mannatech whatsoever. In reality, he got paid to deliver speeches to Mannatech and appeared in promotional videos, and he consistently delivered glowing reviews of the nutritional supplements. As a world-renowned surgeon, Carson’s opinion on health issues carries weight, and Mannatech has used Carson’s endorsement to its advantage.

We rate Carson’s claim False.

I haven't really followed the pyramid story but unless I'm missing something, I don't view it as that big a deal. so what he believes that? I know the pyramids where contrusted in such a way it wouldn't make sense to story grain there but so what.

How about we stop digging through the entire life history of every candidate, looking for some embarassing quote on a non-issue, in the hope that we find something to club them with?

Sort of how we never discuss where Pres. Obama went to church in Chicago?

Here is why it is different.......

I haven't really followed the pyramid story but unless I'm missing something, I don't view it as that big a deal. so what he believes that? I know the pyramids where contrusted in such a way it wouldn't make sense to story grain there but so what.

Yous story about the nutritional company, makes his claim that he had no relationship, seem like b.s.

Sort of how we never discuss where Pres. Obama went to church in Chicago?

.......

Not the same. We have all said embarassing things that should not be used to try to define us. Rev Wright wasn't a one-night stand for Obama, it wasn't a one-time slip of the tongue. That was a close relationship that lasted for decades (lasted until, in fcat, it was politically expedient for Obama to dump him). Obama called him his "spiritual mentor". And Wright is a bat-sh*t crazy, white-hating, anti-Semite.

I view Obama's regular attendance at that church, no different than I view a white candidate who went to peaceful KKK meetings every Sunday for 20 years. Same thing. No one, and I mean no one, can sit in that church for 20 years, actually believe th ebile being spewed, and not hate white people.

I'll take an honest believer over a calculating liar any day....
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

Spence, these things are bothersome to me as a Republican. If he was lying, he needs to go away.

Now, here is a test. Will you say the same thing about Hilary and her sniper fire claim?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

if he's a liar, you won't find me defending him, parsing words, making up chit the way that you do to defend your rats :yawn:

if only you held your idols to the same standards....rather, you make a game out of condoning their behavior...all the while acting shocked at others

If I were Eben, I'd dismiss and say they all do it and provide some pretty solid examples :heybaby:

Now, here is a test. Will you say the same thing about Hilary and her sniper fire claim?
Apples and oranges.

Apples and oranges.

Carson will be labeled a liar and the Clinton's will march on with their noses up :claps:

Apples and oranges.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Please explain.

Looks like they both lied to improve their resume.

Good god, man.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/team-carson-politico-story-is-an-outright-lie/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/team-carson-politico-story-is-an-outright-lie/

He's a sharp and accomplished guy, his life story is incredible, and he comes across as sincere, soft-spoken and thoughtful. All very attractive qualities.

But he says some strange things. And there are several claims of lying, but as you pointed out, the liberals probably aren't above fabricating that in attempts to discredit him, because his existence spits in the face of half of the current liberal agenda.

Chris Mathews said the other night that Carson's rise is tied to "the return of simpletonism" in America. In which, Matthews refers to the former head of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins, as a "simpleton". Because as we all know, pediatric neurosurgery is simple. Liberals like to focus on complicated things, such as which bathroom a person is supposed to use. That's a real head-scratcher.

Yet whever anyone says anything critical about Obama, it's painted as thinly veiled racism.

Guess what. He is a liar!
Just admitted to lieing about receiving a West Point scholarship.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

Boom! As spence says.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

Boom! As spence says.
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Slow down there, cowboy.

Read Scottw's post just above.

Should be easy to check out, either his book claims he was accepted to West Point, or it doesn't.

And Spence doesn't say it, won't say it, can't say it, about Hilary, when there is zro ambiguity about whether or not she is a liar.

Guess what. He is a liar!
Just admitted to lieing about receiving a West Point scholarship.
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you are hours behind the rest of the world...c'mon buddy...catch up :wave:

you are hours behind the rest of the world...c'mon buddy...catch up :wave:

Sorry. I was busy watching gay porn and having an abortion.
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Sorry. I was busy watching gay porn and having an abortion.
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well....at least you are enjoying yourself :jester:

You were awesome in that one scene with the Latino bell hop !
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:hihi: Sorry. :hihi:

:hihi: Sorry. :hihi:

can't believe you recognized me

:rotfl:
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didn't even have to go to FOX NEW for this

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/06/media/ben-carson-politico-west-point/index.html

http://www.dailywire.com/news/960/no-ben-carson-didnt-lie-about-west-point-its-ben-shapiro

He's still crazy ;)
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Politico got most of the story right but tried to push it too hard. Ben Carson looked terrible at his press conference tonight trying to defend all these mounting accusations. Note to self...if you're going to run for president don't talk about trying to hit your mom with a hammer.
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Politico got most of the story right but tried to push it too hard. Ben Carson looked terrible at his press conference tonight trying to defend all these mounting accusations. Note to self...if you're going to run for president don't talk about trying to hit your mom with a hammer.
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Yes, other than their headline, where they said Carson admitted fabricating the West Point offer. Which they got 100% wrong, and changed their headline. But other than what was stated in the headline, they got most of it right.

"if you're going to run for president don't talk about trying to hit your mom with a hammer"

But apparently lying about coming under sniper fire, when in reality you were being greeted by smiling children, says nothing about one's ability to be POTUS. Nor does blaming the GOP when your husband gets caught with his pants around his ankles and lies about it. Why is that so different from Carson's lie, exactly?

I can't imagine being so partisan that when I found out the frontrunner for my party is a confirmed liar, I could somehow try to turn it into a negative for another party.

I know I read Hillary was shot at by a sniper 1,000s of times but how many times did she actually say that?
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what exactly did he lie about?

He's still crazy ;)
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you call crazy someone who has odd notions about the pyramids...

I call crazy someone who has odd notions about our system of government and the proper role of it in our lives...

in terms of being President of the United States the former is harmless and the latter is dangerous...:uhuh:

I can't imagine being so partisan that when I found out the frontrunner for my party is a confirmed liar, I could somehow try to turn it into a negative for another party.

I know I read Hillary was shot at by a sniper 1,000s of times but how many times did she actually say that?
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"the frontrunner for my party is a confirmed liar"

It's not nearly as clear as POLITICO made it seem. And POLITICO is no longer claiming that Carson's camp admitted a fabrication.

What we know, I think, is that his book claims that Gen Westmorland offered him a scholarship to West Point at a dinner they had together. Carson is claiming that Westmorland encouraged him to apply, and that he would certainly get in.

If that's what happened, is Carson lying about being offered a scholarship? Probably.

He's not my candidate, he lost me a short while ago when he aid he would not have invaded Afghanistan. He says some strange things. And he may have some problems with the truth. We've had enough of that.

Why did I bring up Hilary? Because Spence claims that her lie (and there is zero doubt about that) isn't morally equivalent to Carson's lie. I am asking him to elaborate, but he won't. I just want to see his reasoning, maybe I am judging her too harshly, and I want to be fair.

"how many times did she actually say that"

Once that I know of. She couldn't repeat the claim, because immediately after she made the claim, the video surfaced showing that instead of being shot at by a sniper, she was hugged by smiling children.

Her excuse? She was tired.

Think of the contempt she has for the sheep she wants to lead, if she believes we would all buy that as an excuse. Let's assume she is telling the truth about why she lied. If she becomes delusional when she is tired, what's going to happen when she gets woken up at 3 AM and has to deal with an emergency?

I will not vote for Carson in a primary. If he wins the primary, I would gladly vote for him over anyone on the other side. If my choice is between two liars, I'll plug my nose and vote for the liar who (1) is staunchly pro life, and who (2) has a sufficient grasp of 5th grade arithmetic to know that we cannot ever raise taxes high enough to cover our upcoming entitlement obligations, and (3) is honest enough to say out loud that white people aren't the cause of most problems that plague the black community today, and (4) is sane enough to say out loud "boys use the boys' bathroom, and girls use the girls' bathroom". I still can't get my head around the fact that liberals are making an issue out of #4, they have gone that far off the deep end.

so the only people who can possibly know about the scholarship offer and whether or not it occurred are Carson and Westmoreland...right?:kewl:

Pyramids!!!!!!!!!!
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Pyramids!!!!!!!!!!
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Neurosurgery!!!!...what exactly is Bernie's skill set again?

so the only people who can possibly know about the scholarship offer and whether or not it occurred are Carson and Westmoreland...right?:kewl:
I think it's well established now that he never applied and therefore couldn't have been offered admittance let alone a "scholarship."

In the grand scheme it's not a huge deal compared to his other beliefs.

I think it's well established now that he never applied and therefore couldn't have been offered admittance let alone a "scholarship."

In the grand scheme it's not a huge deal compared to his other beliefs.

Fair enough and agreed.

POLITICO went way over the line in their zeal to discredit him. POLITICO reported that Carson's camp admitted a lie, then POLITICO had to take that back. If no one from Carson's camp admitted anything, why did POLITICO report otherwise?

There seems to be exactly zero basis (other than the desire for to do Hilary's dirty work) for politico to claim, in a headline, that Carson's camp admitted to lying.

He's a black conservative, and he's doing well, so he must be destroyed.

They're doing the same to Rubio. Hilary claimed she was "broke" when she left the White House (despite all the stuff they stole on their way out), and nobody said anything. Yet if Rubio's finances are less than stellar, it says something about his ability to be president.

It's a joke.

Pyramids!!!!!!!!!!
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One guy (a world-renowned physician) thinks the pyramids might have been built to store grain.

Your guy says he can make college "free".

Until one of the candidates says he was abducted by a UFO, the socialist is winning the prize for craziest statement
.

I think it's well established now that he never applied and therefore couldn't have been offered admittance let alone a "scholarship."

In the grand scheme it's not a huge deal compared to his other beliefs.

I don't believe he ever said he applied...that is also well established...he was very clear that he'd only applied to one school because that was all that he could afford

you have no idea what the conversation was that he had and if you read to the bottom of my most recent post with the articles attached(second article) you'll see that West Point uses "scholarship" to describe the financial arrangement with it's cadets....it is very possible that given his record in ROTC at that time he was told that he would be a good candidate for acceptance and that would include what amounted to a "scholarship"

I don't know that he didn't make this all up...seems very unlikely... and it seems like you are making up more based on nothing and false premise than he can possibly be accused of doing in this case

you have no idea what the conversation was that he had...

I don't know that he didn't make this all up...seems very unlikely... and it seems like you are making up more based on nothing and false premise than he can possibly be accused of doing in this case
His conversation in 1969 is irrelevant. The statements in writing contrasted with reality are the issue. I can understand how a 17 year old could take a positive remark for more than it was, not an adult writing books...

Carson seems to be having a hard time defending his personal narrative, which is sad because he's a great success story.

No really, I knifed a guy! I threw rocks! I tried to smash my mom with a hammer!

It's surreal.

It's surreal.

I agree.

How would you describe this...I came under sniper fire! My husband wasn't unfaithful, Newt Gingrich is just making it look that way!

Why can't you just write a few sentences offering your opinions on that?

I agree.

How would you describe this...I came under sniper fire! My husband wasn't unfaithful, Newt Gingrich is just making it look that way!

Why can't you just write a few sentences offering your opinions on that?
Apples and oranges.

His conversation in 1969 is irrelevant. The statements in writing contrasted with reality are the issue. I can understand how a 17 year old could take a positive remark for more than it was, not an adult writing books..."statements in writing contrasted with reality are the issue" please elaborate

Carson seems to be having a hard time defending his personal narrative, which is sad because he's a great success story. he doesn't have any trouble defending it from what I can see

No really, I knifed a guy! I threw rocks! I tried to smash my mom with a hammer! this is impossible?, I don't think he's claimed to have actually knifed anyone and as a kid...I threw lots of rocks, got in fights

It's surreal.


I understand that for you Obama's writing and bizarre associations were not "surreal" and completely dismissable...somehow Carson's are...most likely nothing more than a different standard for folks of different political persuasions which you are quite consistent with...

In repeated remarks and in print Carson gave the impression that he turned down an offer from West Point as a central narrative to his life story. He's just recently walked it back.

Politico pushed too hard with the lie headline, but did expose him. He looked terrible at that press conference last night.

Apples and oranges.

You said that before. It is a dodge, not an answer.

Why do Carson's lies make him a liar, but not Hilary's? "Apples and oranges" doesn't answer it. Please be specific...

most likely nothing more than a different standard for folks of different political persuasions ...

Ding ding ding! Give that man a cigar!

You are better and smarter than this, Spence. If you say "Hilary is a serial liar", I promise that nothing bad will happen. It won't stop her from getting the nomination.

Kinda like you guys defending bush and company for the Iraq war. Lots of lies were told back then. ;)
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More oops.
http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-journal-says-ben-carson-lied-about-being-most-honest-student-while-at-yale-2015-11?utm_content=bufferb0a34&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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More oops.
http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-journal-says-ben-carson-lied-about-being-most-honest-student-while-at-yale-2015-11?utm_content=bufferb0a34&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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But why does it only offend you when conservatives lie? How about displaying a tiny speck of intellectual honesty here?

Kinda like you guys defending bush and company for the Iraq war. Lots of lies were told back then. ;)
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Those claims are for the tin foil hat crowd. Bush (like most in DC) was wrong about WMDs in Iraq. Being wrong, and knowingly lying, are not the same.

No one lied about the Iraq war??? Lmao !!!!!
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No one lied about the Iraq war??? Lmao !!!!!
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Bush didn't lie. If he lied us into a war, why didn't Congress (controlled by Reid and Pelosi) impeach him?

Say what you want about the man's policies. He's not a scumbag. That family is made up of Clinton and Kennedy anti-matter.

There has been no proof, offered by anyone sane, that he lied.

How many lies has Carson got caught in so far? It is tough to keep track of.

Teabaggers will prob. give him record donations this week.
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How many lies has Carson got caught in so far? It is tough to keep track of.

Teabaggers will prob. give him record donations this week.
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How about you help us out by listing some of the lies and explain how you personally seem to know so much about teabagging. Teabagging seems more of the type of thing Bill Clinton would have experience with.
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"Got offered a scholarship to West Point", his story about the class he took at Yale, his denying he had a relationship with the nutritional company, his saying he wanted to kill someone. How is that to start? I'm sure there are prob. more.

I read the paper so I read lots about the teabaggers.
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I will have to do some research that's quite a list. I assume you are referring to the Phoenix when you say read the paper since I don't recall seeing teabagging in any news papers. I am just uninformed I guess.
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"Got offered a scholarship to West Point", there is no evidence that this did not occur

his story about the class he took at Yale, again, what evidence indicates this did not occur?, I read the story, seems like another media rush and conclusion without much investigation, I'd like to see more

his denying he had a relationship with the nutritional company, what exactly was the "relationship"

his saying he wanted to kill someone. I'd like to kill someone right now:hihi:

How is that to start? you forgot his other claims of suppressed violent tendencies that the media concluded never occurred after having talked to no one ever involved

I'm sure there are prob. more. I'm sure you're sure

I read the paper so I read lots about the teabaggers.
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it's remarkable the low standard of evidence to convict a black man.... who happens to be a Republican.... in the minds of some, while ignoring mounds and decades of evidence to protect their white candidate...roles reversed I suspect the'd be some serious charges of racism involved


Paul appears to be struggling to contain and control his "hate"...Eben's perpetual relativist dismissal that "all politicians in the world lie" has gone missing...which i guess makes it a dismissal of political convenience...and Spence continues to prove that his feigned indignation lives on a 1 way street....

it's going to be quite amusing to watch some folks twist themselves into pretzels over then next year and beyond...particularly if the Republicans happen to assume power and take all of the liberties that the dems and their supporters have bestowed upon themselves

"Got offered a scholarship to West Point", his story about the class he took at Yale, his denying he had a relationship with the nutritional company, his saying he wanted to kill someone. How is that to start? I'm sure there are prob. more.

I read the paper so I read lots about the teabaggers.
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He posted the syllabus for the Yale class, on his website.

His saying he wanted to kill someone? You mean when he claimed he wanted to stab someone? How do we know that was a lie? I'm not saying it's good if true, but that has not been proven false.

The press either needs to calm down, or they need to do the same to everyone. Hilary said in some speeches when she was first lady of Arkansas, that right after she moved to Arkansas to be with Bill, she went to a Marine Corps recruiter to enlist in the Marines, and the recruiter told her they weren't interested. Raise your hand if you believe that one.

People exaggerate, tell tall tales, and lie. If we are going to hold politicians accountable for these things, and I think we should, we should do it consistently.

I read the paper so I read lots about the teabaggers.

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more oops...

instead of reading about teabaggers you might read the syllabus for the Yale class that Carson has provided which he says he took but that never existed according to the media...he's also provided the school newspaper clipping detailing the hoax regarding the burning of the tests for that class that the media also contends never occured...

also the recruiting poster from West Point aimed a black students and mentioning "full scholarships" which are never offered


i understand that the media has been trying to compile a list of lies from the Clinton's Memoirs but the final text was larger than the current US Tax code:rotf2:

Does he believe in the rapture ? And what will happen if he thinks this will happen while he is in office ?

This is a serious question.
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more oops...

instead of reading about teabaggers you might read the syllabus for the Yale class that Carson has provided which he says he took but that never existed according to the media...he's also provided the school newspaper clipping detailing the hoax regarding the burning of the tests for that class that the media also contends never occured...

also the recruiting poster from West Point aimed a black students and mentioning "full scholarships" which are never offered

And the "proof" that he lied about his violent tendencies? CNN asked some people that knew Carson 50 years ago, and they didn't remember him having violent tendencies.

Is that "proof" that he didn't feel violent urges? That certain people didn't recall it that way? Gimme a break.

With liberals, it's almost never, ever about policy. It's always about personal attacks. They are scared sh*tless of this guy, just like they were with Palin, so they are foaming at the mouth to destroy him.

Carson said that he would not have invaded Afghanistan after 09/11. If he believes that, he loses my vote. Most people think his flat-tax policy would leave us big-time short of revenue.

Does he believe in the rapture ? And what will happen if he thinks this will happen while he is in office ?

This is a serious question.
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So a Christian is more scary, then someone who spent his entire life in the church of Black Liberation Theology, whatever the hell that means.

These questions don't get asked of liberals who claim to be religious.

So a Christian is more scary, then someone who spent his entire life in the church of Black Liberation Theology, whatever the hell that means.

I assume you're referring to the Trinity United Church of Christ?

More oops :hihi:

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2015/11/06/ben-carson-my-father-jor-el-sent-me-to-earth-from-kypton-when-i-was-a-small-child/

I assume you're referring to the Trinity United Church of Christ?

Anyone can put the word Christ in the name of the Church. It's what's taught, that defines a religion. Wright's flock, every single one of them who genuinely believes him, is a white-hating anti-Semite. That doesn't line up well with the teachings of Christ.

You 'oops' , about the class at Yale, was baseless as it turns out. And you still haven't explained to any of us, why Hilary's lies don't say as much about her, as Carson's say about him. When will you address that, so I know when to check back?

You mean the evil liberal Wall Street Journal report? Says who?

You mean the evil liberal Wall Street Journal report? Says who?

Yes, the Wall St Journal is right-leaning. But they blew that story. Carson has posted the syllabus to the class, and he has posted an article from the Yale paper at the time, which described the incident he refers to.

Yeah Spence, you really nailed Carson on that one.

Oops!!

Let's put the yellow journalism aside, and talk about the issues for two seconds?

Liberal thought...Let's see...Carson has operated in babies in the womb, so obviously he has a great deal of credibility when he says that what's in there, is a lot more than a meaningless glob of cells. We cannot begin to debate him on this, or anything else, so let's find all the dirt we can, throw wild accusations up against the wall, and pray (as if we ever pray) that enough sticks to derail his candidacy.

If the clipping is true it only shows that the hoax occurred, but also contradicts his writing about it...

Does he believe in the rapture ? And what will happen if he thinks this will happen while he is in office ?

This is a serious question.
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I'm sure he's got this covered.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/08/ben-carson-features-portrait-of-him-and-jesus-in-home/

wow.


WOW

W O W

every time i read about this whack job, i think of this... :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

Does he believe in the rapture ? And what will happen if he thinks this will happen while he is in office ?

This is a serious question.
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Eben...what about what he believes regarding the Constitution and the proper role of government as that is what he or another will be sworn to uphold and defend....you can cry and complain about how f'ed up government is and those within it but you look ridiculous doing so when this is the kind of thing you are focused on and the creeps in government applaud your efforts and desire to make their playground bigger and more profitable :bl:

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question about the rapture.
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I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question about the rapture.
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I don't believe you know what the rapture is....

I'm still waiting for you to tell me if you checked your facts regarding all of the Americans killed in embassy attacks during the Bush years...and several questions

More oops :hihi:

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2015/11/06/ben-carson-my-father-jor-el-sent-me-to-earth-from-kypton-when-i-was-a-small-child/

R U okay spence mentally?....U believe the free wood post?...;0

I don't believe you know what the rapture is....

I'm still waiting for you to tell me if you checked your facts regarding all of the Americans killed in embassy attacks during the Bush years...and several questions

What was the question ? Several embassies were attacked and over 50 people were killed.

I kind of know what the rapture is. It is when the living float up into the heaven along with the dead who believe in Christ. (This is after his second coming).
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Actually, I'm done asking questions about Carson.

If we review, I said even before Bernie Sander's announced that he would run for president, that he would be president and I still feel that strongly.
Furthermore, there is no way this country would elect Carson after this pyramid statement. Trump is a joke, nothing more to say there.. Rubio or Cruz will face Sanders in a very close race.

Just my opinion.
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What was the question ? Several embassies were attacked and over 50 people were killed.

I kind of know what the rapture is. It is when the living float up into the heaven along with the dead who believe in Christ. (This is after his second coming).
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actually the rapture is first...the second coming would come "second" believe it or not...but you sort of get it...

I would be concerned that if Carson believes the end of days is near, and ISIS holds a similar position, can Ben Carson renounce his religion so that it doesn't interfere with his duty to uphold the Constitution?

It's possible that his beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with the USA :hihi:

R U serious Nebe....that statement was a joke ,right....hehehe....Sanders is a socialist.....when I think of him I think of hitler.....he will never B the fuhrer of this country....:)

actually the rapture is first...the second coming would come "second" believe it or not...but you sort of get it...

He's already come once.
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I would be concerned that if Carson believes the end of days is near, and ISIS holds a similar position, can Ben Carson renounce his religion so that it doesn't interfere with his duty to uphold the Constitution?

It's possible that his beliefs are fundamentally incompatible with the USA :hihi:
Thats exactly why I asked.
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R U serious Nebe....that statement was a joke ,right....hehehe....Sanders is a socialist.....when I think of him I think of hitler.....he will never B the fuhrer of this country....:)

Dead serious.
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He's already come once.
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in terms of rapture and second coming as it relates to end of times...the rapture happens first, the second coming would be after that( you had it backwards)...in terms of Carson and his belief on this... neither or their timing matters...


if you and Spence are going to attack Carson as someone who gets things wrong and sounds like a nut, you should get thing wrong and sound like nuts so frequently ...:agree:

Ok. I understand. But you get my point here. No?
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Ok. I understand. But you get my point here. No?
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I'm afraid I don't...hang on...let me take a bong hit...that's what Bernie would suggest

He would actually. Because it's gods weed
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if you and Spence are going to attack Carson as someone who gets things wrong and sounds like a nut, you should get thing wrong and sound like nuts so frequently ...:agree:
Not to be all pedantic on a fishing site but we expect more.

Nebe, what polling are you relying on, when you say that Hilary is not going to be the nominee? I haven't seen a poll (other than Iowa and NH) that has him anywhere near her. No one is saying Bernie is going to beat her, unless she gets indicted in the email thing, in which case the DNC would dust someone off the shelf (Kerry, Gore, Biden) to run. They will never allow Sanders to get the nomination.

Nebe, what polling are you relying on, when you say that Hilary is not going to be the nominee? I haven't seen a poll (other than Iowa and NH) that has him anywhere near her. No one is saying Bernie is going to beat her, unless she gets indicted in the email thing, in which case the DNC would dust someone off the shelf (Kerry, Gore, Biden) to run. They will never allow Sanders to get the nomination.
I don't think Sanders can win the general election. I also don't see anything that would derail Clinton, for all the hype there's just nothing there.

If it did I'd love to see Bloomberg and Romney both run late. That would be fun to watch.

The polling I am relying on is my own. 😎
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The polling I am relying on is my own. 😎
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so Bernie won the straw poll at your Hippie Club meeting?...that's not surprising...

I said even before Bernie Sander's announced that he would run for president, that he would be president and I still feel that strongly.

Just my opinion.
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we can look forward to celebrating Bernie's 50 years in government...you still a big supporter of term limits?

I don't think Sanders can win the general election. I also don't see anything that would derail Clinton, for all the hype there's just nothing there.

If it did I'd love to see Bloomberg and Romney both run late. That would be fun to watch.

"I don't think Sanders can win the general election."

Agreed. Do you think he can win the primary? I don't see him doing anything after Iowa and NH. Unless Hilary gets indicted, Bernie will be done by Super Tuesday, if he lasts that long.

"I also don't see anything that would derail Clinton, for all the hype there's just nothing there"

I'll disagree and leave it at that. Are you talking primary or general? The polls I have seen, show that a handful of GOP candidates are right with her, if not slightly ahead in a general match-up.

It's going to be so long and ugly. 90% of the talk (99% of Hilary's talk) will be baseless attacks, claims of racism, homophobia, war on women, insane promises of free this and that, blah, blah, blah.

Paul appears to be struggling to contain and control his "hate"..

You're confusing me with Jim (unless that was suppose to be some sort of little jab - then I would say good one). I don't start posts crying about every little thing or post the same thing over and over and over again or call the Pres. a POS or Hillary things like FCOTUS.

So is there any proof he actually got offered a "scholarship"? What congressman nominated him? Is there any record of West Point receiving that or approving him for admission? I already provided a link to an article which showd he had a relationship with the nutritional company even though he recently denied it. So did he or did he not try to kill someone? His book said he was violent and tried to kill someone and tried to attack his mom with a hammer.
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You're confusing me with Jim (unless that was suppose to be some sort of little jab - then I would say good one). I don't start posts crying about every little thing or post the same thing over and over and over again or call the Pres. a POS or Hillary things like FCOTUS. "hate" referred to your teabagger tourette's and your constant reference to "hate"

So is there any proof he actually got offered a "scholarship"?

I was offered "scholarships" for which I have no proof, calls from coaches encouraging me to apply and attend schools that I chose not to, how do you prove that?.....given the fact that West Point was actively recruiting black students and he was the highest regarded in Detroit at the time and met with the contingent it would be highly unlikely that the subject was not mentioned in my opinion


What congressman nominated him? noone ever said a congressman nominated


Is there any record of West Point receiving that or approving him for admission?

he stated that he only every applied to one school...Yale...while there were many that wanted him given his record...


I already provided a link to an article which showed he had a relationship with the nutritional company even though he recently denied it.

what was the relationship? he used a product and said he liked it....was he ever an employee or paid spokesman?


So did he or did he not try to kill someone? did he?

His book said he was violent and tried to kill someone and tried to attack his mom with a hammer. did it?


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I wish you applied the same level of scrutiny to everyone:rolleyes:

we can look forward to celebrating Bernie's 50 years in government...you still a big supporter of term limits?

Just for Corperate tit s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g shills.
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I already provided a link to an article which showd he had a relationship with the nutritional company even though he recently denied it. what was the relationship? he used a product and said he liked it....was he ever an employee or paid spokesman?

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Come on Scott, this is an easy one if he was paid to do the speeches, he lied about this.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/25/ben-carson-teen-hammers-republicans-donald-trump
On NBC, Carson continued: “I am soft-spoken. I do have a tendency to be relaxed. I wasn’t always like that. There was a time when I was, you know, very volatile. But, you know, I changed.

“As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone. And, you know, fortunately … my life has been changed. And I’m a very different person now.”

(The "" mean Carson actually said these words...")

Carson, the author of a number of bestselling books, has often told the story of his wayward youth and the time he attempted to stab a friend. The person he threatened with a hammer was his mother.


Does any of this preclude him from running? No, but his story is getting silly, and it appears he is twisting things to make his story sound even better which is too bad, because w/o the West Point or hammer or stab story he still has a compelling story

And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well.

It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer. Sanders can't win a general. Period, Nebe. Hillary will probably pick Jim Webb as a VP to get the middle of the road blue dog/Regan democrats and win the general.

We shall see.
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We shall see.
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The only way he is the Democratic nominee is if Hillary dies, becomes incapacitated medically or is indicted; and even then, he won't be the nominee.

He is driving some conversation, but he can't win a general.

I believe that I heard the news saying that Carson admitted he never was offered a scholarship and that General Westmorland was never at the dinner Carson claimed he talked to him at. ( I just turned it on and there was talking in the room so I'll have to look into this more to see if I heard it correctly). This was after Carson told the news to stop lying.

If someone offers you a scholarship and it ain't in writing, it ain't a scholarship. If WP was actively recruiting Blacks, he prob. had a good chance of getting in. But it looks like no "scholarship" was offered

As RRH said, his story is compelling enough w/o making things up. His campaign has said he has gotten record donations since the liberal WSJ broke the story.
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Come on Scott, this is an easy one if he was paid to do the speeches, he lied about this.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/
I agree that he appears less than forthcoming regarding his answer...he was put on the spot and should not have out of hand dismissed any relationship


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/25/ben-carson-teen-hammers-republicans-donald-trump
On NBC, Carson continued: “I am soft-spoken. I do have a tendency to be relaxed. I wasn’t always like that. There was a time when I was, you know, very volatile. But, you know, I changed.

“As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone. And, you know, fortunately … my life has been changed. And I’m a very different person now.”

(The "" mean Carson actually said these words...")

Carson, the author of a number of bestselling books, has often told the story of his wayward youth and the time he attempted to stab a friend. The person he threatened with a hammer was his mother.


Does any of this preclude him from running? No, but his story is getting silly, and it appears he is twisting things to make his story sound even better which is too bad, because w/o the West Point or hammer or stab story he still has a compelling story

And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well.

It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer. Sanders can't win a general. Period, Nebe. Hillary will probably pick Jim Webb as a VP to get the middle of the road blue dog/Regan democrats and win the general.

I don't understand why the childhood anger issues are relevant or in question..he grew up in Detroit during the 60's.. do a little googling about Detroit during the 60's...we threw rocks at each other in my neighborhood and we didn't have race riots going on at the time, the little puke across the street threw a hammer at me once and got a beating for it...where did you guys grow up?...a couple of kids in my class blew themselves up with a pipe bomb and my brother got angry and chased me down the street with a knife once, I kept running because he seemed pretty serious...I'd never have threatened my mother mostly because my Dad would have kicked my ass...I'm not sure Carson's Dad was around...

I believe that I heard the news saying that Carson admitted he never was offered a scholarship and that General Westmorland was never at the dinner Carson claimed he talked to him at. ( I just turned it on and there was talking in the room so I'll have to look into this more to see if I heard it correctly). This was after Carson told the news to stop lying. pretty sure that would be everywhere if he did

If someone offers you a scholarship and it ain't in writing, it ain't a scholarship. correct...it's an "offer"... which is all he ever said was extended in his conversation...I believe he's also side that Michigan gave him a similar "offer"...that needs to be investigated as well probably

If WP was actively recruiting Blacks not "if", he prob. had a good chance of getting in. Top of his class excelled in ROTC and eventually became a neurosurgeon...yeah, he might have squeaked in But it looks like no "scholarship" was offered again...you have absolutely no idea what was offered

As RRH said, his story is compelling enough w/o making things up. you have no idea what was or was not made up [COLOR="blue"]

His campaign has said he has gotten record donations since the liberal WSJ broke the story.
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pretty sure it was Politico that broke the story....Jim Geraghty has been writing on the Mannatech story for almost a year...guess it just became relavant

hilliary wants reclassification

Here are a couple more:

The Journal pointed out that Carson falsely claimed last week in a Facebook post that “Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience.” The paper interviewed Benjamin L. Carp, an associate professor of history at Brooklyn College and author of books on the American Revolution. According to The Journal’s article on the matter: “Mr. Carp said Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, John Hancock and many other signers had been elected members of their colonial assemblies, prior to signing the Declaration.”

In comparing the success of his Carson Scholars Fund to other nonprofits, Carson has repeatedly claimed that “nine out of 10 nonprofits fail,” a claim that The Washington Post Fact Checker has rated false with four Pinocchios, the worst rating — what the newspaper simply calls “whoppers.”
Of the 19 claims of Carson the fact checking site PolitiFact has delved into, none have been ruled true and only one mostly true. Indeed most — like Carson’s claim that he “ ‘didn’t have an involvement with’ nutritional supplement company Mannatech” — have either been ruled false or what the site calls “pants on fire,” a statement the site rules as not only not accurate, but “ridiculous.”

http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sanders-wins-wius-accurate-mock-election/

Just saw this this morning. :rtfm:
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Funny, they just reported on Morning Joe the syllabus Carson posted to prove the class existed was from 2002.
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http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sanders-wins-wius-accurate-mock-election/

Just saw this this morning. :rtfm:
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nothing like a Monday morning chubby :lama:

Funny, they just reported on Morning Joe the syllabus Carson posted to prove the class existed was from 2002.
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True. The CNN claim was that the class never existed. The recent syllabus debunks that. Carson posted an artucle from the Yale paper, written at the time, that discussed the incident in question. Obviously it happened.

Again Spence, I cannot imagine any logic whereby Hilary's lies don't say anything about her qualifications to be POTUS, but Carson's do. There's absolutely no way you can justify that double standard.

Given the atricle in the Yale paper, it would appear Carson was telling the truth.

Given that (1) West Point had posters aimed at black students that mentioned "scholarships", and (2) given that Carson has said many times he never formally applied to West Point, and (3) given that no one but Carson and Gen Westmoreland heard the conversation between the 2, no one can come close to showing that Carson lied about that. At a minimum, it's fair to assume that Westmorland encouraged him to apply, suggesting he would get in, which obviously he would have. If Westmoreland said "if you apply, we'll give you a free ride to college", and Carson describes that as being offered a scholarship, did Carson lie?

The man said we should not have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. If you want to destroy the man bacause he is such a threat, why can't you do it the fair way, and tell us why his policies would be bad for the country? Liberals almost never do that. It's always personal attacks. It's ridiculous.

You deny that Hilary lied about the sniper thing, when we have video evidence showing she did. Yet you are bending over backwards to portray this black man as a liar. I thought liberals claimed they cared about blacks, and it was the conservatives who were a bunch of racists? Geez, between your desperation to portray this black man as a liar, and the fact that your top 10 states have no blacks, I am sensing a pattern here.

I just heard that Carson confessed to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, and that he is responsible for global warming.

A syllabus from 2002 doesn't prove a class existed in 1969.

Joe was brutal this morning...

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/joe-to-carson--you-are-lying--just-admit-it-562551875764

A syllabus from 2002 doesn't prove a class existed in 1969.

No, but it proves the class existed. CNN said it never existed.

If you think he's lying about this, read the article from the Yale paper at the time. You sound like the conservative nuts who still say Obama wasn't born here.

Spence, any chance you can answer 2 questions? Any chance at all?

(1) Why do Hilary's lies not say anything about her, but Carson's do?

(2) Why do you think Obama has spent tens of thousands of dollars to seal his academic records? There is one reason, and one reason only, why someone does that. There's something in there he doesn't want anyone else to see. And no one in the media digs into what that is. But they are doing a complete forensic analysis of everything Carson has ever said and done. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. It's also undeniable.

My guess on Obama's sealed records - he claimed he was born in Kenya on his application, to improve his chances of getting in and getting financial aid. Liberals, like Elizabeth Warren (aka Apache Chief), like to self-identify as whatever race suits them at the time.

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

(2) Why do you think Obama has spent tens of thousands of dollars to seal his academic records? There is one reason, and one reason only, why someone does that. There's something in there he doesn't want anyone else to see. And no one in the media digs into what that is. But they are doing a complete forensic analysis of everything Carson has ever said and done. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. It's also undeniable.
Just another birther myth, Carson is REALLY desperate to be trotting that out.

Just another birther myth, Carson is REALLY desperate to be trotting that out.

Let's be clear...you are denying that Obama has not released his academic records? Can you tell me where I can see his transcripts?

Also, I see you completely dodged my first question. Why? Why can't you answer?

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

I point out obvious hypocrisy, Paul. Like when you accuse me of hate, you chastis eme for not being respectfulk to Hilary, yet yo uare free to us eth eterm "teabagger". I guessed i missed the announcement that only you get to hurl insults, my bad.

"Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship"

He would have been able to say "hey if you apply, you'll get a full scholarship". Anyone could have toild Carson that, and they would have been rightt.

I don't like Carson. But my opinion is based on his stated policy agenda, not dirt that yellow journalists are slinging.

http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/11/why-republican-candidates-must-always-be-better-than-their-democratic-opponent/?utm_source=The+Conservative+Team&utm_campaign=03eecfec13-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ed44836b36-03eecfec13-266050641

I point out obvious hypocrisy, Paul. Like when you accuse me of hate, you chastis eme for not being respectfulk to Hilary, yet yo uare free to us eth eterm "teabagger". I guessed i missed the announcement that only you get to hurl insults, my bad.I have done that prob. 4 -5 times in total and it is to get under your skin. Has there ever been anyone else in recent times here who hurls insults like you? POS and FCOTUS! What kind of adult talks like that bc they don't like someone's politics?

"Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship"

He would have been able to say "hey if you apply, you'll get a full scholarship". Anyone could have toild Carson that, and they would have been rightt.You're right. But Westmorland could not and would not have offered him a scholarship. Saying you are qualified (and I said he prob. was qualified earlier) and would prob. get in is far different than offering him a scholarship. In fact, he was not even at the event Carson claimed he was at.

I don't like Carson. But my opinion is based on his stated policy agenda, not dirt that yellow journalists are slinging.

How is questioning his statements yellow journalism? Even if he proves everything he has stated the facts clearly don't line up with his statements. Should the press just blindly believe everything a candidate states? It has already been shown that his statements that he had no involvement with the nutritional company where incorrect and his statement that he spoke with General Westmoreland at the event where incorrect.

We're not talking about claiming he was a Muslim and born in a foreign country here w/o ANY facts at all.

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....:)

Let's be clear...you are denying that Obama has not released his academic records? Can you tell me where I can see his transcripts?
How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....:)

I can explain it this way...

when Jim insults someone on the left...it's hate

when Paul insults someone on the right...it's because they deserved it...

How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

mainly because we were told how smart and transparent Obama is and we're still looking for any evidence of either

More but but Clinton.

CNN said that the class never existed bc Carson had the wrong # for the class.

Westmorland was never at the event where Carson claimed he talked to him. And even if he was, Westmoreland would not have been qualified to offer him a "scholarship".

I swore this off but I can't take it anymore... Nobody pays for tuition to West Point !!! If he got in it would've been free. I don't think we have any doubt he would've got in. Nor do we have any doubt that he would've been recruited. Therefore he would've had a free ride .. Crawl back in to your Prius
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I can explain it this way...

when Jim insults someone on the left...it's hate

when Paul insults someone on the right...it's because they deserved it...

and when Scott correct someone's spelling, it is him acting like a 13 year old girl.

I swore this off but I can't take it anymore... Nobody pays for tuition to West Point !!! Has anyone claimed they did? If he got in it would've been free. I don't think we have any doubt he would've got in. Nor do we have any doubt that he would've been recruited. Therefore he would've had a free ride .. Crawl back in to your Prius
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Prius - good one.

But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description, experts told us. The phrase typically refers to a college providing financial aid to allow a candidate to attend a college free of charge, but that doesn’t really apply to West Point’s across-the-board zero-tuition policy, said Antonio Buehler, a West Point alumnus who founded the admissions coaching service Abrome.

"No such scholarship is named, every cadet is treated the same and there is an eight-year military commitment after graduation. Hence, not free," Buehler said.

The proper terminology is "appointment," said Vu Tran, a graduate of the United States Air Force Academy who runs the Denver-based admissions consulting firm Service Academy Coach. But because that’s not apparent from the get-go, Tran says he can’t fault Carson for using the term loosely, albeit incorrectly.

"I can definitely see where parents and students who are beginning the process can misconstrue it to be a scholarship," he said. "But for those who have gone through the admission process and through the nomination process, they would never call it a scholarship."

Carson’s use of the words "full scholarship" is even more inaccurate if he’s describing his own experience, experts agreed. Tran told us it’s conceivable a ROTC commander or even a general would encourage a student to apply to West Point, touting the free tuition, but noted that anyone familiar with the process understands that that’s contingent upon nomination and acceptance.

"(Carson) would not have been ‘offered’ the opportunity to attend West Point at no cost, like all other cadets, until he applied and received an appointment, which he never did," Buehler said.

Prius - good one.

If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man , then your ridicule is baseless . Are you surprised to find out that nobody pays to go to West Point ? I'm pretty sure you are
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If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man
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Of course, it's all race, right?

Carson is running on his personal narrative and character. Being a brain surgeon doesn't provide a lot of direct executive experience. I am not saying he is not qualified, but at best, he has been loose with facts on this narrative.



**Caveat added to every post I make on this election: And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well. It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer.

If your dislike for the man is based on him lying about being offered a scholarship ( free ride )
And let's face it you and Spence seem to have a certain glee over this potential problem for a successful black man , then your ridicule is baseless . Are you surprised to find out that nobody pays to go to West Point ? I'm pretty sure you are
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I don't think he has a chance for even the Repub. nomination. I don't know why pointng out his numerous misstaments (lies?) he has made means I "dislike" him. His own campaign has now stated that his autobiography wasn't correct as far as the scholarship (free ride) is concerned. His color makes no difference to me.

I know people who went to WP and they never referred to it as having a "scholarship".

But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description, experts told us.
I don't think his use of the words "full scholarship" is a big deal, it's just semantics. The more serious issue is a candidate who's running on honesty seems to have made a lot of stuff up.

Woa

http://gawker.com/watch-young-ben-carson-attack-his-mom-with-a-hammer-a-1741070701

How is questioning his statements yellow journalism? Even if he proves everything he has stated the facts clearly don't line up with his statements. Should the press just blindly believe everything a candidate states? It has already been shown that his statements that he had no involvement with the nutritional company where incorrect and his statement that he spoke with General Westmoreland at the event where incorrect.

We're not talking about claiming he was a Muslim and born in a foreign country here w/o ANY facts at all.

"I have done that prob. 4 -5 times in total "

Oh, I see. So what's the maximum number of times you can use hate speech, but still congratulate yourself on not being a hater?

"it is to get under your skin"

You are failing to get under my skin, believe me. That I point out your glaring hypocrisy, doesn't mean you are under my skin. I point out the obvious hypocrisy, then forget about it.

"Has there ever been anyone else in recent times here who hurls insults like you?"

Sure. I would argue you do. Clearly Obama does ("Republicans gotta stop just hatin all the time"). I only do it, to people who have clearly demonstrated hatred for my side. I don't do fake nice. If someone uses sufficiently insulting, and clearly dishonest, language to describe my side, they have forfeited the right to expect any respect from me. Hilary claims that my side framed her husband to make it look like he was cheating. She claims that my side is waging war on women (funny, since Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war). If I describe her as a c*nt, it's because in my opinion, she deserves no better that that from me. If you disagree, good for you. But if you use the term teabagger, you can't claim to a holier-than-thou attitude, because we are exactly alike in this regard. When you feel sufficiently provoked, you use hateful, insulting language. Just like me. Try making that wrong.


"But the term "full scholarship" is an inaccurate description"

Funny. Carson has posted a West Point recruiting poster from that time, aimed at black students, that promises "scholarships". The word "scholarship" is on the poster. And if Carson relies on West Point's poster, he is a liar. Makes perfect sense!

"But Westmorland could not and would not have offered him a scholarship"

How do you know what he "would" do? How could you possibly know that?

"questioning his statements yellow journalism?"

POLITICO claimed that the Carson camp admitted to fabricating the scholarship thing. Carson's camp never made that statement to POLITICO, and POLITICO admitted THEY were lyong when they removed that claim from the headline, but of course offered no apology.

What is the proof that he "lied" about the scholarship or his violent tendencies? No proof, just suggestion.

How about instead of questioning his violent tendencies, we ask if someone with those tendencies is fit to be POTUS? You don't have to invent lies to discredit the man, there's enough truth to do that. But that's not enough for minorities or women who are a threat to liberals.

I don't think his use of the words "full scholarship" is a big deal, it's just semantics. The more serious issue is a candidate who's running on honesty seems to have made a lot of stuff up.

I don't either. It is a minor detail. It was even in some WP publications as someone pointed out earlier.

and when Scott correct someone's spelling, it is him acting like a 13 year old girl.

"corrects" :hihi:

How many US Presidents have released their college transcripts?

Why do you want to see them?

Here's why - because when the press got ahold of Bush's transcript and McCain's transcript, the left used that information to attack those candidates. I'm not saying there isn't validity in looking at the college grades of a presidential candidate, it's not unfair to do that. But if you're going to use bad grades as a club to beat them with,m then you should at least ASK for Obama's transcripts too. At the same time the press said "OK" when Obama refused to release his grades, th esame press folks were attacking McCain for his grades.

Tell me that's not hypocrritical.

And one of these days, can you just grow a pair and tell me why Carson's honesty is more imjportant than Hilary's? I am answering your question exactly as you asked it. How about showing me the same courtesty?

How come Spence and Nebe have not made a big deal out of hillary when her lips during one of her campaign statements stated she never signed 'Sensitive Information Nondisclosure Agreement'' when she did sign her 2nd day in office and the agreement came out with her signature last week.....where is the socialist communist left liberal democratic news media on this.....well tell me Nebe and Spence .....:)
When did she say she never signed it?

Have they found a single piece of information she mishandled?

I don't post nearly the amount of times you do and aren't nearly as insulting but if you think I am, so be it. So keep referring to Hillary as a c*nt and the FCOTUS and our Pres as a POS. That says more about you than anything I can ever write.

Of course, it's all race, right?

Carson is running on his personal narrative and character. Being a brain surgeon doesn't provide a lot of direct executive experience. I am not saying he is not qualified, but at best, he has been loose with facts on this narrative.



**Caveat added to every post I make on this election: And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well. It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer.

Can't imagine who you're going to vote for ;)
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OK, everyone thinks Carson is a liar because he used the word "scholarship", and that doesn't apply to the military academies.

Here is a poster that Dr Carson put on his website. It is a West Point recruiting poster.

In the lower right-hand corner, highlighted in yellow, West Point explicitly says it offers "scholarships".

So if Carson uses the word that's on the West Point recruiting poster for Christs' sake, he i ssomehow lying? That's the textbook definition of yellow journalism.

I don't post nearly the amount of times you do and aren't nearly as insulting but if you think I am, so be it. So keep referring to Hillary as a c*nt and the FCOTUS and our Pres as a POS. That says more about you than anything I can ever write.
Considering Jim's a devout Catholic I always assume the "C" stood for Christian?

Of course, it's all race, right?

Carson is running on his personal narrative and character. Being a brain surgeon doesn't provide a lot of direct executive experience. I am not saying he is not qualified, but at best, he has been loose with facts on this narrative.



**Caveat added to every post I make on this election: And yes Jim, Hillary lied about the sniper file to conflate things as well. Yes she probably knew Bill was having affair. Her story sucks as well. It bothers me that all around these are the best we have to offer.

"Of course, it's all race, right?"

If he wasn't black, the left wouldn't be this hellbent on destroying him. Ask Clarence Thomas how much Democrats like black people.

"Being a brain surgeon doesn't provide a lot of direct executive experience"

How about being chief of a department at John
's Hopkins? How about being of the Board Of Directors of Costco?

Hilary has executive experience, and she sucked at it. So is failing as an executive, suprerior to someone with less executive experience? By what logic is a proven failure superior to an outsider?

"at best[/B], he has been loose with facts on this narrative. "

Agreed. And Hilary, on the other hand, is a PROVEN liar, which cannot be denied. There is video evidence that debunks her bragging about coming under sniper fire. So I ask again, by what logic is an irrefutabke liar morally superior to someone who is "loose" with some facts?

Considering Jim's a devout Catholic I always assume the "C" stood for Christian?

You know what else I am? Someone who answers your questions, and admits the many times you have a point.

One simple, fair, pertinent question. And you won't go near it. Because you can';t, because that question shows pure hypocrisy.

You know what else I am? Someone who answers your questions, and admits the many times you have a point.

One simple, fair, pertinent question. And you won't go near it. Because you can';t, because that question shows pure hypocrisy.
No, I ignore it because we've covered the subject before...it's old news.

OK, everyone thinks Carson is a liar because he used the word "scholarship", and that doesn't apply to the military academies.

Here is a poster that Dr Carson put on his website. It is a West Point recruiting poster.

In the lower right-hand corner, highlighted in yellow, West Point explicitly says it offers "scholarships".

So if Carson uses the word that's on the West Point recruiting poster for Christs' sake, he i ssomehow lying? That's the textbook definition of yellow journalism.

It really has nothing to do with the use of the word. It is that he has stated he talked to Westmoreland - who was not even at the event and thus would not have offered him a "scholarship". Most importantly there is a process to get into WP. A congressman/senator would have had to nominate him, then there are many other requirements he would have had to be tested for (weight, eye sight, fitness, height, academic achievement, etc.). You won't get admitted until you qualify/pass all those things. None of that took place.

This is not yellow journalism - it is good journalism.

this is from the DailyKos..no right wing rag

"We do know, from the Politico article, that General Westmoreland visited Detroit in February of that year.

There are, however, several reports of an event in February of that year, similar to the one Carson described. Then, Westmoreland was the featured guest at a 1,500-person banquet to celebrate Medal of Honor recipient Dwight Johnson. The event drew prominent guests, including the governor at the time, the mayor of Detroit, the president of Ford Motor Company and nine previous Medal of Honor awardees, according to an Associated Press account of the event.

Carson, a leader of the city’s ROTC program at the time, may have been among the invited guests at the $10-a-plate event.

Dr. Carson could very well have met with General Westmoreland during either Sunday, May 25th, 1969 or during February 1969."


..regarding the "stabbing story" that was made up, Carson's Mom, Sonya, who is apparently also a liar confirmed the story back 1997 in a Parade Magazine interview on May 11, 1997 while watching the play depicting the his story in his book with the author of the article...

beyond the Manna dismissal that he made, I'm trying to figure out who is actually fabricating what here....

Can't imagine who you're going to vote for ;)
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Not Carson, and not for the reasons in this thread. I disagree pretty strongly with his positions on social issues, foreign policy and climate.

If it is Hillary vs... I don't know what I'll do yet. Sorry Nebe, we won't be feeling the Bern on election day :hidin:

The Detroit news:

Carlisle, Pa. — Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson’s published account of having dinner with a top commander in the Vietnam War after marching in a Memorial Day parade in 1969 as a high school ROTC cadet in Detroit does not match historical records.

In Carson’s 1990 best-selling autobiography, “Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story,” the neurosurgeon tells of being offered a scholarship to West Point as a high school senior sometime after having dinner with the U.S. Army’s chief of staff, Gen. William Westmoreland, on Memorial Day 1969.

But Westmoreland’s personal schedule shows the general was not in Detroit on Memorial Day or during the days preceding and following the holiday. His schedule says he was in and around Washington, D.C., that weekend, according to Army archives The Detroit News reviewed Friday.

Carson’s compelling life story of escaping poverty in Detroit to become a world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon is facing increased scrutiny as new polls show him at the top of the GOP presidential candidate field. It also comes a few days before Tuesday’s Republican presidential debate in Milwaukee.

Carson acknowledged Friday he never sought admission to West Point and was informally offered a scholarship that he later didn’t pursue.

“I interpreted it as an offer,” Carson said Friday night during a televised press conference from Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. “... I never said I received a full scholarship.”

In his autobiography, which was the basis of a movie about Carson’s life, Carson wrote that the dinner with Westmoreland took place after he “marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade.”

“I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind,” said Carson, who was a top ROTC cadet at Detroit’s former Southwestern High School.

Westmoreland’s Memorial Day schedule on May 30, 1969, indicates he was in Washington. The schedule says Westmoreland had a morning meeting with national security adviser Henry Kissinger, laid a wreath at an 11 a.m. memorial service in Arlington National Cemetery and had a 5 p.m. “boat ride on the Potomac.”

The Detroit News on Friday reviewed Westmoreland’s schedule for the dates in question among his official papers housed at the U.S. Army Heritage and Education Center in Carlisle, Pa.

The Army records and Detroit News archival records show Westmoreland was in Detroit on Feb. 18, 1969, for a dinner honoring a Vietnam War veteran. The banquet was for Congressional Medal of Honor winner Dwight Johnson, a Detroit African-American who risked his life “beyond the call of duty,” according to a website about black participation in the Vietnam War.

Carson spokesman Doug Watts could not immediately explain the discrepancies in Carson’s published account of meeting Westmoreland on Memorial Day 1969 and the general being in Washington that day.

“Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the city of Detroit,” Watts said in an email to The News. “In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer.”

so you're saying it's possible they met in Feb rather than May 45 years ago...


wait till they conclude he's been operating on brains all these years with phony diplomas:shocked:

I am getting a little tired of this historical dissection to be honest. Can't we take a look at Carson's policy insights instead?

Oh wait...

so you're saying it's possible they met in Feb rather than May 45 years ago...


wait till they conclude he's been operating on brains all these years with phony diplomas:shocked:

I'm not saying anything - Carson said in his autobiography it was Memorial Day. He shouldn't get pissed at the press for questioning things that don't line up if he can't get his facts straight.

Not Carson, and not for the reasons in this thread. I disagree pretty strongly with his positions on social issues, foreign policy and climate.

If it is Hillary vs... I don't know what I'll do yet.

Exactly my feeling.

No, I ignore it because we've covered the subject before...it's old news.

Jim: why is Hilary's lie meaningless, but Carson's honesty is important?

Spence: apples and oranges

That covers it, in your mind? Case closed, move on?

I'm not saying anything - Carson said in his autobiography it was Memorial Day. He shouldn't get pissed at the press for questioning things that don't line up if he can't get his facts straight.

you called it a lie...isn't it more likely he had the months wrong given the time lapse, the fact that Westmoreland was in Detroit at a dinner which seems to be what he described...and does it matter on which date it took place?

do you recall with specificity what you were doing in February or May of 1969

I realize that General Werstmoreland is no Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Rashid Khalidi or Frank Marshall Davis and Neurosurgery isn't quite Community Organizing and ROTC isn't quite puffing with the choom-choom gang...but can we get a grip??

When did she say she never signed it?

Have they found a single piece of information she mishandled?

mishandled....of course
she said on the campaign trail that top secret info on her private website server, that it wasn't classified originally.....according what she signed(document) made her totally responsible for sensitive documents in her possession.....not going to go on and on about it.....the whole subject does not need 10 pages of rant...:)

Spence: apples and oranges



it truly is apples if you're a democrat and oranges if you're a republican

It really has nothing to do with the use of the word. It is that he has stated he talked to Westmoreland - who was not even at the event and thus would not have offered him a "scholarship". Most importantly there is a process to get into WP. A congressman/senator would have had to nominate him, then there are many other requirements he would have had to be tested for (weight, eye sight, fitness, height, academic achievement, etc.). You won't get admitted until you qualify/pass all those things. None of that took place.

This is not yellow journalism - it is good journalism.

"It really has nothing to do with the use of the word"

That is a fair thing to say, and I agree. But many are focusing on the use of the work "scholarship" as evidence that he lied. In light of the fact that West Point uses that word, that accusation is insane.

Carson has never claimed that he applied. Never once that I can tell. If someone at West Point said to Carson "we'd love to have you, if you apply, you'll get accepted", and Carson describes that as being "offered a scholarship", is that really a dishonest statement?. He could have been more precise, but THAT'S a big deal? Really?

"This is not yellow journalism "

What's yellow journalism, is Politico claiming, in huge headlines, that Carson's camp admitted to fabricating the story. Carson's camp denies that anyone said that to Politico, and Politico removed that claim. Tell me that's not yellow journalism? Why woud Politico claim that Carson's team admitted the fabrication, then remove that claim, and not evenm apologize? You claim that's not yellow journalism? What was Politico's basis for stating that Carson's camp admitted the lie to them?

it truly is apples if you're a democrat and oranges if you're a republican

More like donkeys and elephants.

Jeez! I don't have an issue with investigating honesty, but let's at least pretend that we do it consistently.

I really like Carson as a person, his life story is amazing, and I love what he did to Obama at that prayer breakfast. I won't vote for hinm in a primary (likely not anyway), but I'd vote for him in the general against Hilary.

I have trouble with anyone saying they would not have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11. Iraq is open for debate, but even the Pope said the Afghanistan war was morally justified.

you called it a lie...isn't it more likely he had the months wrong given the time lapse, the fact that Westmoreland was in Detroit at a dinner which seems to be what he described...and does it matter on which date it took place?

do you recall with specificity what you were doing in February or May of 1969

I realize that General Werstmoreland is no Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi or Frank Marshall Davis and Neurosurgery isn't quite Community Organizing and ROTC isn't quite puffing with the choom-choom gang...but can we get a grip??

And can't you get a grip - his autobiography is wrong. I sure as heck would check my facts before putting something in my autobiography. He put down the wrong date (and stated it was afrer a Memorial day parade) and when questioned, accussed the press of lying. If he wasn't sure he should have just said it was in early 1999.

So if he had the wrong date, it is yellow journalism or good journalism when you check the facts?

He put down the wrong date and when questioned, accussed the press of lying. ?

Paul, are you feeling OK, or not? The press DID LIE. Politico stated in a huge headline, that the Carson camp admitted fabricating the whole scholarship to them. What Carson challenged Politico on that, they immediately changed the headline, removed their assertion that anyone in the team admitted anything to them.

Politico lied about Carson's team admitting anything to them.

What don't you get about that?

Also, if checking these things is so inmportant, how come nobody lifted a finger to look into Obama's records? When Obama says "I am not releasing my records", the press said "fine". Those same folks who couldn't care less about Obama's grades, attacked John McCain for his grades, which he happily released.

You tell me if that's fair.

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If he wasn't sure he should have just said it was in early 1999.



which would also be a lie?

Politico lied about Carson's team admitting anything to them.

What don't you get about that?

apples and oranges

apples and oranges

It's turning into an Abbott and Costello routine.

No proof whatsoever that no one from West Point didn't encoyurage him to apply, stating he'd get in if he applied. Is it crazy to interpret that as an offer of a scholarship?

CNN claims they "proved" he was lying about his violent tendencies, because they asked a couple of people who knew him 50 years ago who didn't remember him being violent. Somehow, to CNN, that's sufficient proof that he was lying, because it didn't cross CNN's mind that perhaps some people know that detail, and others don't. After all, everyone in your life has the same exact detail of you rthoughts, as everyone else, right? There's nothing you tell you rbest friend that you don't tell everyone. That's journalism, boy!

They sure as hell don't want to ask him about his experiences with working tirelessy to save babies in the womb, so instead they go through hi sgarbage to dig up dirt on him. Meanwhile, Obama can choose not to release his academic records, and they all kiss his ring and move on.

which would also be a lie?

Are you serious?

He should use the correct year. Was it 69?

Are you serious?

He should use the correct year. Was it 69?

you're the expert :deadhorse:

you're the expert :deadhorse:

wow. You're amazing.

They sure as hell don't want to ask him about his experiences with working tirelessy to save babies in the womb, so instead they go through hi sgarbage to dig up dirt on him. Meanwhile, Obama can choose not to release his academic records, and they all kiss his ring and move on.
No, Carson has no policy experience and by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight. His life story as it's been presented is the entire package. Now that he's being taken seriously by voters he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight.

wow. You're amazing.

Paul, does it seem likely to you that Politico lied about getting an admission of guilt from Carson's campaign? As soon as Casron asked them to prove their claim, they withdrew their statement. Politico is no longer saying that the Carson campaign admitted to lying.

What do you think happened there? Something other than yellow journalism?

Or what CNN did? Just because the few people CNN interviewed from his chilhood couldn't recall a violent temper, does that give CNN the right to claim that Carson lied about it? Isn't it responsible journalism to conclude that not every single person he ever met, will have identical recollections of him, 50 years later?

I can say "I loved fishing when I was in high school". If you pick 1 kid from my class, and ask him, he might say "I remember Jim, I don't recall him saying anything about fishing". Does that mean I lied? Or does it mean what we all know is true, that not everyone will recall identical details, decades later? Do you see how crazy that is? That's what CNN did to the man. That's not yellow journalism?

Paul, does it seem likely to you that Politico lied about getting an admission of guilt from Carson's campaign? As soon as Casron asked them to prove their claim, they withdrew their statement. Politico is no longer saying that the Carson campaign admitted to lying.
Politico didn't "lie" they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story. It was sloppy journalism but not necessarily a lie.

People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more.

No, Carson has no policy experience and by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight. His life story as it's been presented is the entire package. Now that he's being taken seriously by voters he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight.

"Carson has no policy experience "

He didn't formulate policies when he was director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins? Or in his role as a member of the Board of Directors at Costco?

I'm sorry, when Oama was running in 2008, after a whopping 2 years in the US Senate, what was his policy experience, exactly>

"by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight"

A lot of Republicans would disagree. The man knows how to solve complex problems, he has proven that, hasn't he?

Eisenhower had no political experience either, and he is regarded as a spectacular president.

"he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight"

And that's fine, he's in the big leagues. But it should bve applied consistently to all candidates, correct? Because it's not. Obama would not release his academic records, and no one asked for an explanation, no one dug them up like they did with Bush. So why does a reporter not wonder why Obama refuses to release his records, but attack McCain for his transcript? How is that fair?

Politico didn't "lie" they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story. It was sloppy journalism but not necessarily a lie.

People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more.

"they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story"

If no one on Carson's team ever spoke to Politico about it, then how did they make that inference? Bassed on what?

"People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more"

A statement that only a Hilary supporter could possibly make. Every clear-thinking person over the age of 6 knows what it means.

"they made an inference based on the Carson campaign validating their story"

If no one on Carson's team ever spoke to Politico about it, then how did they make that inference? Bassed on what?

"People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more"

A statement that only a Hilary supporter could possibly make. Every clear-thinking person over the age of 6 knows what it means.

BREAKING

Jim in CT admits he's not clear thinking!

See how that worked? Did I lie?

Carson said this too...this guy is freekin' nuts...

“So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama.” In March 2007, he claimed the 1965 events in Selma inspired his parents to get together. He was born in 1961. The media chose not to notice.

no wait....sorry...that was Obama

BREAKING

Jim in CT admits he's not clear thinking!

See how that worked? Did I lie?

I do see how it worked. I wouldn't say you lied, I might say you are wrong.

Anyway, in the end, it will be Hilary against someone. The whole campaign will be as exhausting and unpleasant as thi sthread has been. I do have to say, that on the other threads, anything other than politics, you and Paul have been awesome to me. It's too bad that politics does this.

I have to say, if we could split the country in 2, I wpould vote for that and move to wherever my conservative bretheren are. This stuff is incredibly divisive, and I am as guilty of that as anyone.

Spence, in Chicago, the ACLU sued a school district, AND WON, because they said it was discriminatory to tell a boy that he can't shower in the girls' locker room.

Are we really that divided now, where which bathroom you use, is a controversial question? I honestly don't kno wwhat unites us anymore.

Carson said this too...this guy is freekin' nuts...

“So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama.” In March 2007, he claimed the 1965 events in Selma inspired his parents to get together. He was born in 1961. The media chose not to notice.

no wait....sorry...that was Obama
If you read what he actually said, rather than just some right wing blog with the "you'll never believe what this celebrity said..." advertisements you'd see that Obama was speaking about the broader civil rights movement that had been building for some time.

It's actually a very good speech.

If you read what he actually said, rather than just some right wing blog with the "you'll never believe what this celebrity said..." advertisements you'd see that Obama was speaking about the broader civil rights movement that had been building for some time.

It's actually a very good speech.

Per the text of Obama’s 2007 speech:

“This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets [to study in the U.S.], and he met this woman who’s great-great-great-great grandfather had owned slaves,” he said.

“But she had a different idea. There’s some good craziness going on, because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that in the world that it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. But something’s stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. in 1965 So they got together… and poof Barack Obama, Jr. was born.in 1961

“So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. (because I can time travel)Don’t tell me I’m not coming home when I come to Selma, Alabama for the first time. I’m here because somebody marched for our freedom. I’m here because somebody marched for me. I stand on the shoulders of giants,” he continued.

Per the text of Obama’s 2007 speech:


I love it. "Per the text" now means selected quotes surrounded by commentary...

Oh I think this one is done.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/politics/jeb-bush-kill-baby-hitler/index.html

A for effort.
However that happened the planet would be a totally different place.

I might travel back and time and just drink a lot of beer quietly
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Oh I think this one is done.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/politics/jeb-bush-kill-baby-hitler/index.html

That's what you call fabricated news . What s dumb question . I know you're only posting it to be funny and to show how the media really has lost their collective minds but still pretty pathetic .
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Cnn doesn't post fabricated news.
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That's what you call fabricated news . What s dumb question . I know you're only posting it to be funny and to show how the media really has lost their collective minds but still pretty pathetic .
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Here's another source.

http://time.com/4105477/jeb-bush-baby-hitler/
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Carson's grain storage thoughts... bush wanting to kill Baby Hitler.... Rubio saying victims of rape should be forced to have the child of the rapist.. Trump just being his usual pompous douch self...

That's some clown car they are squeezing into.
GOP death spiral.

Cruz is the only one I think is half sane. Although he is a Koch puppet.
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Carson's grain storage thoughts... bush wanting to kill Baby Hitler.... Rubio saying victims of rape should be forced to have the child of the rapist.. Trump just being his usual pompous douch self...

That's some clown car they are squeezing into.
GOP death spiral.

Cruz is the only one I think is half sane. Although he is a Koch puppet.
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Well, we can't all be as grounded as the man who is promising free everything.

I keep hearing about the shambles the GOP is in. This is the party that controls both houses of Congress, a majority of governorships, and a majority of state legislatures, and who control the states (NC, GA, FL, TX) that young people are moving to. Yeah, the GOP is really on the ropes.

and the approval ratings of the congress and senate are ??????
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People throw the word lie around so much I'm not even sure what it means any more.
Look it up it cums after Clinton in the dictionary.
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[QUOTE=Nebe;1085991]and the approval ratings of the congress and senate are ??????
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And the approval ratings for the Senate, before the GOP took over in 2014 were???

You're not holding any cards in this argument Nebe.

The approval ratings for Congress stunk on election night in 2014, and the GOP opened up a major can of whoop-ass.

Rubio saying victims of rape should be forced to have the child of the rapist.. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

What Rubio is saying is actually (1) very principled, and (2) courageous. Here's why...

Everyone who is pro life, is so because they feel that at the moment of conception, that's a human being. Every single pro-life person thinks that, right? Well, if you believe that. if you believe that it's a human from the moment of conception...then the circumstances surrounding that conception, have no influence over whether or not the result is a human being. The baby has zero control over the circumstances of the conception, therefore the conditions of the conception shouldn't dictate whether or not the product of the conception is, in fact, a human being.

Second, it's a courageous position, because Rubio knows exactly how the media will portray him, and that people like you will be thoughtless enough to buy into it. Having sympathy for the baby, is not mutually exclusive from having deep sympathy from the victim of rape. It would make Rubio's life a lot easier if he said what you wanted to hear, which is what most politicians do. He has the courage of convictions. Much like your hero, Bernie Sanders, in fact. Both men are principled enough that they are not afraid to say what they know is unpopular. Kind of ironic when I put it that way, isn't it.

C
Cruz is the only one I think is half sane. Although he is a Koch puppet.
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NEBE who is George Soros puppets?.....:)

I might travel back and time and just drink a lot of beer quietly
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Maybe we can get a bus....I don't even care if its the "Little Bus"

Maybe we can get a bus....I don't even care if its the "Little Bus"

Think of the surf casting on block island in 1325.
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Carson's grain storage thoughts... bush wanting to kill Baby Hitler.... Rubio saying victims of rape should be forced to have the child of the rapist.. Trump just being his usual pompous douch self...

That's some clown car they are squeezing into.
GOP death spiral.

Cruz is the only one I think is half sane. Although he is a Koch puppet.
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Cruz is very smart but I'm not sure he's any more sane than any of the others. Right how he appears to be the best organized to take over after the Trump/Carson bubbles burst.

Not sure Cruz can beat Clinton though. He'll get strong Republican support but won't connect with moderate voters.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot by marginalizing more moderate candidates.

Cruz is very smart but I'm not sure he's any more sane than any of the others. Right how he appears to be the best organized to take over after the Trump/Carson bubbles burst.

Not sure Cruz can beat Clinton though. He'll get strong Republican support but won't connect with moderate voters.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot by marginalizing more moderate candidates.

Ever heard of Marco Rubio? Or do his financial issues make him unqualified, even though Hilary claims she was broke after leaving the White House (minus the art, rugs, and light fixtures that they stole on their way out).

Unless something unforeseen happens with Rubio, he will be on the ticket, He's a spectacular #2 - gives the GOP Florida, a shot at youth, Latinos, and Catholics, and he appeals to both the Tea Party and the moderates. If he wins the top spot, a Rubio/Kasich ticket has electoral math appeal - now you have FL and OH, and you are in business.

Cruz is very smart but I'm not sure he's any more sane than any of the others. Right how he appears to be the best organized to take over after the Trump/Carson bubbles burst.

Not sure Cruz can beat Clinton though. He'll get strong Republican support but won't connect with moderate voters.

The GOP has shot themselves in the foot by marginalizing more moderate candidates.

Any less insane ? I don't think the neurosurgeon or the multi billionaire are insane . Extremely successful yes, self-made too, but clearly not insane .
I don't understand why you think the GOP shot themselfs in the foot . Clearly the people have had enough with the same old bull#^&#^&#^&#^& that the Democrats want to continue . The GOP has tried to marginalize Trump and Carson .
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Trump is self made? Lol
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Trump is self made? Lol
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10 billion dollars and a top contender for President ... I would say so . Granted he did start with several million and a great work ethic he inherited from his father but don't let what he has accomplished compared to Bernie Sanders cloud your judgment .
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10 billion dollars and a top contender for President ... I would say so . Granted he did start with several million and a great work ethic he inherited from his father but don't let what he has accomplished compared to Bernie Sanders cloud your judgment .
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I think his 10B claim has been shot down. He also inherited a support structure that influenced his ability to make that money work.

I'm not sure if that says he's successful or just not self destructive.

Here's the real issue. I was talking to my son today about what Trump brings to the table that makes him want to be a better American. His response, nothing, he's kind of annoying. Didn't he say something mean about someone's Mexican wife?

Exactly.

I think his 10B claim has been shot down. He also inherited a support structure that influenced his ability to make that money work.

I'm not sure if that says he's successful or just not self destructive.

Here's the real issue. I was talking to my son today about what Trump brings to the table that makes him want to be a better American. His response, nothing, he's kind of annoying. Didn't he say something mean about someone's Mexican wife?

Exactly.

It's all on how you're raised . I was raised by Roman Catholic Irish Democrats . They all vote Republican now .
You need to turn MSNBC off the TV at home
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Maybe they should turn off the Fox News as well.
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Think long and hard about why the GOP is always trying so hard to defund education. ;)
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Think long and hard about why the GOP is always trying so hard to defund education. ;)
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Says who?

I want to stop funding insane teacher pensions, because they are stupidly expensive and they don't help kids perform better in school.

Here is a true question...if the democrats care so much about "choice", and they care so much about education, why are they so opposed to school choice? Why do democrats force poor people, mostly blacks, to continue to go to horrific, failing schools?

Answer - democrats care a lot more about placating the teachers unions, than they care about choice or about education.

Here's the real issue. I was talking to my son today about what Trump brings to the table that makes him want to be a better American. His response, nothing, he's kind of annoying. Didn't he say something mean about someone's Mexican wife?

Exactly.

bet he also thinks Hillary has an 'impressive resume", is honest and trustworthy and looks really hot in a pant suit

Think long and hard about why the GOP is always trying so hard to defund education. ;)
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as usual you get it part right and that's an incredibly disingenuous statement......some in the GOP would like to end Federal involvement in education....think about it Eben, if States didn't have to send the money to the Feds to then be filtered through many grabbing hands before making it's way back to the State...the States might have more money for education..I wonder how much "corporate welfare" is handed out through the Department of Education http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/the-truth-about-college-aid-its-corporate-welfare/257456/..the... pensions that Jim referred are part of the massive unfunded liability that the States currently enjoy, I don't see how you unfund something that is already unfunded

By LYNN O'SHAUGHNESSY MONEYWATCH January 28, 2015, 5:15 AM

Teacher pensions: The math adds up to a crisis

Teacher pension plans from across the country are staggering from a half-trillion dollars in debt. Put in perspective, that's more than $10,000 worth of debt for every student in the nation's primary and secondary schools.

In 2014, state teacher pension systems had a total of $499 billion in unfunded liabilities, which has risen $100 billion in just two years, according to a new report from the National Council on Teacher Quality, a nonpartisan research and policy group dedicated to restructuring the teaching profession.

The report card on teacher pensions found that 70 cents of every dollar contributed to state pension systems pays for this massive debt rather than covering current employees' future retirement benefits.

"The math on state teacher pension policy doesn't add up," suggested Sandi Jacobs, the organization's vice president. "The funding crisis is staggering, yet the structure of most states' pension systems isn't giving teachers what they need.

It's all on how you're raised . I was raised by Roman Catholic Irish Democrats . They all vote Republican now .
You need to turn MSNBC off the TV at home
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Morning Joe is about the only MSNBC I watch at home...
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It's all on how you're raised . I was raised by Roman Catholic Irish Democrats . They all vote Republican now .
You need to turn MSNBC off the TV at home
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Bingo. If you want an idea of how the Democratic party has changed (radicalized) in the last 50 years, look at the party agenda throgh the eyes of a Catholic. In my parents' time, it was assumed that Catholics would vote Democrat. A Catholic was elected President as a Democrat, for Pete's sake! Granted, he wasn't what you would call a model Catholic (what with the affairs, and the mafia hits and all...)...but can you imagine a Catholic running for President as a Democrat today? The Democrats, at the national level, absolutely despise Catholicism. The Catholic catechism is unchanged during that period. What happened is that the Democrats embraced San Francisco-style liberal ideology.

So today, democrats have "progressed" to the point where it's bourgeoise to say that boys should use the boys' locker room and girls should use the girls' locker room. To Democrats, only Archie Bunker still clings to such neanderthalic, hateful bigotry.

Morning Joe is about the only MSNBC I watch at home...
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So where do you get your news, from the North Korea TV station?

I get mine from watching Hee Haw re-runs.

...but can you imagine a Catholic running for President as a Democrat today? The Democrats, at the national level, absolutely despise Catholicism. The Catholic catechism is unchanged during that period. What happened is that the Democrats embraced San Francisco-style liberal ideology.
You mean like VP Joe Biden or Martin O'Malley?

According to Pew, a majority of Catholic voters supported Gore, Kerry and Obama twice in the Presidential elections.

Additionally, right now there are nearly as many Dem Catholics as Rep's in the House (68-70) and a majority Dem Catholic in the Senate (15-11).