his appeal is with the middle, the undecided, "moderates"... the folks that both sides pander to and beg to show up and vote AFTER gaining the nomination...the Conservative wing and party establishment can't stand him but will be dragged along eventually in opposition to Hill....he's doing it backwards and it's working so far...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431833/donald-trump-moderate-republican-blue-collar-coalition

Seems the Mr Ruffini who clearly isn't a moderate clearly has no true understanding of the term Moderate by some of his statements about those's in his own party who are moderate

But trumps still has not shown he can secure the independents in a general election? most can not vote in rep or dem primaries ...

“Would you describe yourself as liberal, conservative, or moderate?” Thus, by definition, “moderate” is merely a catch-all term for people who resist being put in a neat and tidy political box.
or But perhaps most of all it is a reflection of the fact that many people simply don’t think about politics in a particularly deep or coherent way.

the above ^^^ are the reason trump is leading his party very condescending

condescending



that's a good word :hihi:

Ruffini wrote only this

"Patrick Ruffini ‎@PatrickRuffini
We like to think of the big political divisions as right vs left, or right vs establishment.

Patrick Ruffini ‎@PatrickRuffini
I would argue there's a distinction that matters more, and that's between people who pay attention to politics and those who don't."


I don't know where you got the rest and I don't know that he's incorrect or disagrees with your last statement

A sad state of affairs... Just sad.
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A sad state of affairs... Just sad.
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we can hug on that:love:

http://youtu.be/x9Gj8npARTU
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So when exactly is Trump going to release his tax returns?

So when exactly is Trump going to release his tax returns?

that would be fun...I suspect his response would be something like..."as soon as Mrs. Clinton releases..._____... oh, and by the way....it will be GREAT!"

his daughter is a hottie :btu:

that would be fun...I suspect his response would be something like..."as soon as Mrs. Clinton releases..._____... oh, and by the way....it will be GREAT!"
Clinton already has.

his daughter is a hottie :btu:

And that qualifies him to be our president ?!?!?
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Clinton already has.

How about her "non profit "?
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Clinton already has.

I was thinking emails...or anything else that happened to come to his mind...he doesn't say much but he's pretty good at the verbal art of self-defense....:uhuh:

And that qualifies him to be our president ?!?!?
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No but it does go in the plus column
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And that qualifies him to be our president ?!?!?
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He's not going to be President. If it's him against her, she might run the table. It will be a rout of 1984-like proportions.

I get the anger, I say with no ambiguity that I can't stand Obama and they way he treats everone who disagrees with him. I get that Republicans want someone who will be willing to respond in kind when attacked (Bush 43, McCain, and Romney never did that, they didn't have it in them, and it didn't serve them well).

No President has thrown more cheap shots than Weird Harold (attacking the Supreme Court, during the State of the Union, when they are sitting right in front of you, and they don't have a chance to respond? There is no cheaper shot than that, there just isn't). I get the anger. What I don't get, is how you think that a productive channle for that anger, is voting for a guy who literally has no chance in the general. We are handing the presidency to the Dems, and quite possibly Congress as well. Because a Trump candidacy will result in massive liberal turnout to block him, and will incentivize people like me to stay home.

I will cast a write-in vote for Condaleeza Rice, I think.

but he's pretty good at the verbal art of self-defense....:uhuh:

And there's his appeal. He strikes back, he does so with common sense language.

How about her "non profit "?
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https://www.clintonfoundation.org/about/annual-financial-reports

He's not going to be President. If it's him against her, she might run the table. It will be a rout of 1984-like proportions.



Professor Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York’s Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders.

“Take it to the bank,” Norpoth confidently suggested.

Norpoth, a 1974 University of Michigan Ph.D. recipient who specializes in electoral behavior alignment, said his crystal ball also shows a 61-percent chance that the Republican nominee — Trump or not — will win the 2016 presidential election.

The political scientist also said there is virtually no way Trump could lose the Electoral College vote if he rakes in 54.7 percent — or more — of the vote.

Norpoth’s general election formula measures candidates’ performances in primaries in caucuses to gauge party unity and voter excitement. It also focuses on certain patterns in electoral cycles. One major assumption is that the party which has just held the presidency for two consecutive terms is less likely to win a third term.

The model has been correct for every election since 1912 except for the 1960 election — which pitted winner John F. Kennedy against loser Richard Nixon.

In total, Norpoth observed, his forecasting formula he has created has been correct 96.1 percent of the time since 1912.

The professor said he has used the model in recent times to predict Bill Clinton’s victories as well as George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s wins.

And there's his appeal. He strikes back,.....


he does so with common sense language.

I agree with the first part....not so much the second part

I agree with the first part....not so much the second part

Well what I meant by "common sense speak"...was that he doesn't try to sound like a Harvard alumni when he strikes back. He does so in a way that the average Joe understands exactly what he means, and can relate to.

I hope you are right about his chances of winning. Personally, I think he gets clobbered in the election for POTUS, and we'll be lucky to keep the Congress. On the Senate side, there are twice as many Republicans up for re-election as Democrats. The table is set for the Dems to take it back.

I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am. Trump will squash enthisiasm on our side, and inject enthusiasm on their side.

I hope you are right about his chances of winning.

not me...the Professor with a decent track record

So when exactly is Trump going to release his tax returns?

U did not mention Cruz nor Rubio....Y?....when first reported by news media was about the three of them, Romney is sour because he was ask to submit his and he jumps on trump...Y did he not mention the three?.... of course media jumps on one too....:)

U did not mention Cruz nor Rubio....Y?....when first reported by news media was about the three of them, Romney is sour because he was ask to submit his and he jumps on trump...Y did he not mention the three?.... of course media jumps on one too....:)
Romney did mention all three, then slammed Trump :hihi:

his daughter is a hottie :btu:

That is an understatement.....

Look Jeff,
More sexist comments
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Look Jeff,
More sexist comments
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I can't believe he's still doing it.

Believe it....
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that's a good word :hihi:

Ruffini wrote only this

"Patrick Ruffini ‎@PatrickRuffini
We like to think of the big political divisions as right vs left, or right vs establishment.

Patrick Ruffini ‎@PatrickRuffini
I would argue there's a distinction that matters more, and that's between people who pay attention to politics and those who don't."


I don't know where you got the rest and I don't know that he's incorrect or disagrees with your last statement


Sorry 5 am i thought Ruffini was author of the article because his name was on the tweets .. thats My mistake I should have paid closer attention

I still feel the National review is blaming their Moderates for Donald's current standing

He's attracting our nation's best...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777?lo=ap_e2

And the Democrats have the black panthers.
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Sorry 5 am i thought Ruffini was author of the article because his name was on the tweets .. thats My mistake I should have paid closer attention

I still feel the National review is blaming their Moderates for Donald's current standing

I believe they are crediting so-called "moderates"...for Donald's current standing

And the Democrats have the black panthers.
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It's OK to be supported by them because they are more likely to be pulled over by cops all the time.

And the Democrats have the black panthers.
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And they created the KKK .
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And they created the KKK .
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http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/jun/10/stephen-martin/state-sen-stephen-martin-says-democratic-party-cre/

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/jun/10/stephen-martin/state-sen-stephen-martin-says-democratic-party-cre/

I stand corrected . It was created by a grassroot group of Democrats to terrorize black and white Republicans .
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[QUOTE=spence;1094438]Romney did mention all three, then slammed Trump :hihi:[/QUOTE

Show us the article where romney mentions all three....:)

I believe they are crediting so-called "moderates"...for Donald's current standing
their doing both at the same time

Can we stop using Black panthers or the KKK for as talking points on both sides time to realize its 2016 not the 50' 60s or 70's

It gets old's and not very creative

Can we stop using Black panthers or the KKK for as talking points on both sides time to realize its 2016 not the 50' 60s or 70's

It gets old's and not very creative

you should email that to the Democrat candidates for President :smash:

Can we stop using Black panthers or the KKK for as talking points on both sides time to realize its 2016 not the 50' 60s or 70's

It gets old's and not very creative

https://youtu.be/mNOCDENuypg
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Show us the article where romney mentions all three....:)
Use the google.

Both party establishments have been casting away the "commoner" at the benefit to the special interest, the connected, the big corporations, the unions, and militant/radical extremes.

This is why we have Trump. This is why we have Bernie.

We have made our bed and now we are sleeping in it.

http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2013/jun/10/stephen-martin/state-sen-stephen-martin-says-democratic-party-cre/

You are incorrect, sir.

I stand corrected . It was created by a grassroot group of Democrats to terrorize black and white Republicans .
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You are correct, sir. Keep up the Sker!~

Comparing Bernie to Trump is like comparing... Wait .. Why can't I come up with a comparison?
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Comparing Bernie to Trump is like comparing... Wait .. Why can't I come up with a comparison?
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It's like comparing a capitalist to a communist . Exactly like it
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Bernie is a communist ? Educate me on this. I'm all ears.
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Educate me on this. I'm all ears.
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Apparently you're not
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He's attracting our nation's best...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-duke-trump-219777?lo=ap_e2

He certainly is.

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/

The comparison between Trump and Sanders might be more like a crony capitalist to a crony socialist. They go somewhat hand in hand. The crony socialists feed the crony capitalists and the crony capitalists feed off of the crony socialists. The crony socialists get the benefit of financial support (lobbies, donations, etc.) in order to, on the one had, maintain power and, on the other hand, maintain the benefit of private sector innovation and wealth creation in order to have a viable economy which produces enough money to fund a welfare state (which pure socialism cannot do very well). And the crony capitalists get favorable legislation which give them advantage over competition, especially over smaller entrepreneurs (thus shrinking the middle class). The result is centralized power in both the business and government sectors--the fascist big government/big business yin yang.

Apparently you're not
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One last time. Show me how sanders is a communist. Give me some examples of where he has acted as a COMUNIST.

You cant.
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Furthermore, let's review the great buckman/nebe debates about the Iraq War and how we were so so so justified to invade because of al queda and WMD's. LOL.
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Furthermore, let's review the great buckman/nebe debates about the Iraq War and how we were so so so justified to invade because of al queda and WMD's. LOL.
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al Qaeda were there, Saddam buried them in the desert.

al Qaeda were there, Saddam buried them in the desert.

Al Qaeda or WMD's ?
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Al Qaeda or WMD's ?
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He put the WMD's in the al Qaeda and buried them in the desert. The funny thing is there's a treasure map on my box of Lucky Charms that leads right to it but nobody will listen to me.

It comes with the scratch and sniff KKK coloring book.
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I stand corrected . It was created by a grassroot group of Democrats to terrorize black and white Republicans .
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I'm guessing you don't know that what was the Dem. party back then has morphed into the current Rep. party and what was the Rep. party back then has morphed into the Dem. party of today.

In fact, I would bet that if someone compared the states that voted Rep. back then to the states that now vote Dem., there would be a very good correlation.

Back then Hillary was a republican :hihi:
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One last time. Show me how sanders is a communist. Give me some examples of where he has acted as a COMUNIST.

You cant.
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Here's a pretty thorough article ,

http://nypost.com/2016/01/16/dont-be-fooled-by-bernie-sanders-hes-a-diehard-communist/
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Furthermore, let's review the great buckman/nebe debates about the Iraq War and how we were so so so justified to invade because of al queda and WMD's. LOL.
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He had WMD's , Al Qaeda is real and it wasn't such a great debate.
By the way people like you were saying , as one of the reasons we shouldn't get into the war back then, was because our troops might be killed by WMDs.
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I'm guessing you don't know that what was the Dem. party back then has morphed into the current Rep. party and what was the Rep. party back then has morphed into the Dem. party of today.

In fact, I would bet that if someone compared the states that voted Rep. back then to the states that now vote Dem., there would be a very good correlation.

They morphed ??? More likely the Democrats have worked very hard at portraying the morphing . Including you
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They morphed ??? More likely the Democrats have worked very hard at portraying the morphing . Including you
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Look at the link Spence and I posted. 20% think freeing the slaves was a bad idea - WTF!

I think the Neo Nazis also endorsed Trump.

You're the one who made the asinine comment about the KKK, so stop your whining.

Use the google.

Spence...did not ask how to google that....said, show us the article where romney mentioned all three.....:)

He had WMD's , Al Qaeda is real and it wasn't such a great debate.
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Which cereal box did you learn this from?

Look at the link Spence and I posted. 20% think freeing the slaves was a bad idea - WTF!

I think the Neo Nazis also endorsed Trump.

You're the one who made the asinine comment about the KKK, so stop your whining.

I don't whine . Your Republicans are racist dribble annoys me . It's stupid and a lie .
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Which cereal box did you learn this from?

The last part ? Fruity Pebbles
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Spence...did not ask how to google that....said, show us the article where romney mentioned all three.....:)
That's really lazy :yawn:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/romney-trump-taxes-219746

I don't whine . Your Republicans are racist dribble annoys me . It's stupid and a lie .
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Sounds like a whine.

Certainly not all Repub. Prob. not even the majority but a significant %.

dribble :spin:

Certainly not all Repub. Prob. not even the majority but a significant %.

dribble :spin:

Yes dribble and sad you think that
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Didn't the 2 links prove that?

And you're right it is sad. I don't remember it being so prevalent.

Yes dribble and sad you think that
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A % of trump supporters were polled and said that they believed that the abolishment of slavery was a mistake. #makeamericagreat agian
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I'm guessing you don't know that what was the Dem. party back then has morphed into the current Rep. party and what was the Rep. party back then has morphed into the Dem. party of today.

That's an interesting observation. How did you arrive at it?

In fact, I would bet that if someone compared the states that voted Rep. back then to the states that now vote Dem., there would be a very good correlation.

It seems to me that the Southern States became less racist when they became Republican.

And the Northern States seem to have morphed from what was then a conservative, more constitutional Republicanism which embraced the original American ethic of personal responsibility and fidelity to founding principles into something quite opposite--Progressivism.

Didn't the 2 links prove that?

And you're right it is sad. I don't remember it being so prevalent.

It's not as prevalent as you think . Don't confuse reality with racism Blame social media and the cable and network news . They like to stir the pot for ratings
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I highly doubt Trump will ever be president.
Some left wing, gun hating nut job will put a bullet in him or someone from the Clinton camp will kill him. They've got some experience in this type of thing.

A liberal wouldn't shoot him. Prob. try hitting him with a sling shot.

I could see some Clinton aide doing that so they could use that as a campaign issue.
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I highly doubt Trump will ever be president.
Some left wing, gun hating nut job will put a bullet in him or someone from the Clinton camp will kill him. They've got some experience in this type of thing.

I'm lighting my prayer candle now.
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i am not paying for that foking wall
vs
i did not have sex with that woman

He certainly is.

http://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/

wait...."time.com" says..."the TIMES"....says...."some obscure poll somewhere" ....says..."nearly 20% of Trump supporters did not approve of freeing the slaves, according to a January YouGov/Economist poll"....resulting in a headline that reads ...."Nearly 20% of Trump Fans Think Freeing the Slaves Was a Bad Idea".....and....."Nearly one in five don't support the Emancipation Proclamation"

WAIT....read the frigging links!!!


New data from YouGov and Public Policy Polling show the extent to which he has tapped into a set of deeply rooted racial attitudes. But first, two caveats about these data are worth bearing in mind. The national YouGov survey was done near the middle of January, before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries. Public Policy Polling is a company aligned with the Democratic Party, and some of its results over the years have been suspected of bias.

"The P.P.P. poll asked"
"According to P.P.P"

The Economist/YouGov Poll
Sample 2000 General Population Respondents
Conducted January 15 - 19, 2016
Margin of Error ±2.9%
Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in Internet
panel using sample matching. A random sample
(stratified by age, gender, race, education, and region)
was selected from the 2010 American Community Study.
Voter registration was imputed from the November
2010 Current Population Survey Registration and Voting
Supplement. Religion, political interest, minor party
identification, and non-placement on an ideology scale,
were imputed from the 2008 Pew Religion in American
Life Survey.



shocking....trolling for a racist conclusion and willing people to a) complete the questionnaire and b)promote the conclusion...the questions are hilarious

there are just as many with racist biases that identify as democrats as there are republicans ....and you don't need a poll for that :btu:

A % of trump supporters were polled and said that they believed that the abolishment of slavery was a mistake. #makeamericagreat agian
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Paul is the only one to believe this dribble
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Paul is the only one to believe this dribble
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You would think something like this would be 100% false. But nope.
America really wants to be great agian.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-pro-slavery/
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You would think something like this would be 100% false. But nope.
America really wants to be great agian.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-pro-slavery/
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did you read your link Eben?

I did read it it says it's half true. Think about that

I did read it it says it's half true. Think about that

"half true"....that's funny

half–truth: a statement that is only partly true and that is intended to deceive people...Half-truths may use various tools, including statistics, unexpected meanings of words, facts taken out of context...


think about that .....

I have thought a lot about it. It's the same bull chit that people say about Sanders being a Comunist.
Rand Paul is endorsing him as being the most free market friendly of the bunch. Think about that.

There's no question in my mind that a vast majority of Trump supporters are mouth breathing poorly educated racist xenophobes. Sure, some are smart highly educated racists.
The fact is... Trump = hate, fear, ignorance, and white power. :wave:
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You would think something like this would be 100% false. But nope.
America really wants to be great agian.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-supporters-pro-slavery/
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I don't know how many people you have talked to that have admitted they will vote for Trump, but I'm guessing it is not many . I know you believe I'm a racist based on my conservative stance and that says more about you than me .
I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but it's wall-to-wall coverage on which democrat candidate has the black vote ....Think about that
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I don't think you are a full blown racist but I would guess you wouldn't be happy if your daughter dated a black man.

As for the black vote, why wouldn't the majority of the black population vote democratic? They want progress.
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I don't think you are a full blown racist but I would guess you wouldn't be happy if your daughter dated a black man.

As for the black vote, why wouldn't the majority of the black population vote democratic? They want progress.
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How has that progress worked out for black Americans so far ?
I would be OK with my daughter datlng a black man . As long as he was honest, loyal, worked hard and treated her the way she deserves .
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That's a great answer.
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That's a great answer.
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It's the way most conservatives feel . The ones I associate with, look at the soul not the race or religion .
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I have thought a lot about it. It's the same bull chit that people say about Sanders being a Comunist.
Rand Paul is endorsing him as being the most free market friendly of the bunch. Think about that.

There's no question in my mind that a vast majority of Trump supporters are mouth breathing poorly educated racist xenophobes. Sure, some are smart highly educated racists.
The fact is... Trump = hate, fear, ignorance, and white power. :wave:
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Nebe,this really is some juvenile drivel you are spouting. To stereotype this way makes it seem as though you are the person with no tolerance. Funny thing is that if you actually have been paying attention to this race then you would understand that Trump is a moderate. His answers regarding planned parenthood and healthcare demonstrate a compassion which is unusual for the party he represents.

If you don't think there are racists in the Democratic Party you are not paying attention. Please defend your position by letting us see the white power and ignorance positions that you have accused Trump of endorsing.
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Paul is the only one to believe this dribble
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If it has been proven half true as Nebe said, so be it. The fact still stands that Trump has the support of Duke and I believe the Neo Nazis. The overwhelming % of Blacks support Dems. And you're the one who made the original asinine comment about the KKK.
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There's no question in my mind that a vast majority of Trump supporters are mouth breathing poorly educated racist xenophobes. Sure, some are smart highly educated racists.
The fact is... Trump = hate, fear, ignorance, and white power. :wave:
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I disagree with that first statement. I agree with that 2nd statement up to the white power. I think there is something there where people feel they are losing power or control and are trying to figure out why. They are thinking how great things use to be and want to go back to those days.

Edit - just saw Seadangles response and agree Trump is really a moderate. I think if he stopped his outlandish statements and hateful rhetoric he might be getting more votes.
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I disagree with that first statement. I agree with that 2nd statement up to the white power. I think there is something there where people feel they are losing power or control and are trying to figure out why. They are thinking how great things use to be and want to go back to those days.

Edit - just saw Seadangles response and agree Trump is really a moderate. I think if he stopped his outlandish statements and hateful rhetoric he might be getting more votes.
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Paul, he is getting plenty of votes. And tell me about his hateful rhetoric.
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Nebe,this really is some juvenile drivel you are spouting. To stereotype this way makes it seem as though you are the person with no tolerance. Funny thing is that if you actually have been paying attention to this race then you would understand that Trump is a moderate. His answers regarding planned parenthood and healthcare demonstrate a compassion which is unusual for the party he represents.

If you don't think there are racists in the Democratic Party you are not paying attention. Please defend your position by letting us see the white power and ignorance positions that you have accused Trump of endorsing.
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Paul just stated perfectly what I was going to say. The KKK and neo nazi groups endorse trump!

And to address Paul's comment about white power, your thoughts back up why I mentioned it. "Make America great agian" to me means to kick out the illegals, and make this place the way it used to be. Wink wink nudge nudge. ;)
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What is the reason these groups have endorsed Trump? Especially given that Cruz's stance on immigration is much more harsh. Do you think the open door policy for illegals is helping this country enough that you would choose to continue alowing illegals to enter without consequence? I understand you are a Bernie guy and can understand his appeal, but if I had a crystal ball I would guess he is a footnote come election time. Personally, I like Kasich but he will be the same footnote. That brings us to the unenviable lesser evil that will confront the public on Election Day. She will not be getting my vote,her ass is bought and paid for by the big business/ Wall Street folks and she has zero credibility. Using your logic I should be shopping for SS uniforms and looking for a cross to burn, it's insulting really and narrow minded on your part.
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Paul just stated perfectly what I was going to say. The KKK and neo nazi groups endorse trump!

And to address Paul's comment about white power, your thoughts back up why I mentioned it. "Make America great agian" to me means to kick out the illegals, and make this place the way it used to be. Wink wink nudge nudge. ;)
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You have a lot of misdirected hate my friend . I suggest a different weed .
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I'm only pointing out that hate the trump is spreading and pointing out how everyone else is gobbling it up
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The besthate that I have inside me is the fact that this country has fallen so low to let such a hatemongering a-hole hi Jack an election process
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The besthate that I have inside me is the fact that this country has fallen so low to let such a hatemongering a-hole hi Jack an election process
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Then you are hating the wrong man . Trump hasn't done anything to cause this country to fall . I agree 100% that it's in the crapper though
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Hatemongering,
Whatever that is supposed to mean?
I suppose that explains the "make America Great Again" catch line.Let's talk about Which Hillary.
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from the exit polls Democrat primary in SC last night

ABC News is also reporting that voters said the economy and jobs are the most important issue facing the country (43 percent) with health care (23 percent) and income inequality (20 percent) trailing behind.


I thought the economy and jobs was all fixed...haven't you see that unemployment rate??

I thought Obamacare was taking care of everyone now...by the way...has anyone actually talked to someone on Obamacare?? because it's not pretty

I thought greedy corporations and income inequality was the biggest problem facing us...didn't these democrats get the memo??

Paul just stated perfectly what I was going to say. The KKK and neo nazi groups endorse trump!


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I know right...just the other day I bumped into a KKK guy at Dairy Mart...he seemed a bit overdressed and then the neo nazis were having a group event down at the Hibernians....those guys are really something....you see them all over town huh? :bl:


seriously Eben...when was the last time you ran into a KKK or neo-nazi group member??

i was however at the home of a proud communist, who wants everyone and everything taxed but him and his, in Franklin Mass the other night :rude:

I don't think you are a full blown racist but I would guess you wouldn't be happy if your daughter dated a black man.

As for the black vote, why wouldn't the majority of the black population vote democratic? They want progress.
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WRONG!!!!....majority want freebies....my hat is off to those that want to B educated....and I'm willing to bet there R way more black uneducated & poor people voting democratic

I agree
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I think if you get a breakdown of all the freebies this government gives out you would find that most of it goes to the military-industrial complex and of course banks that are too big to fail, etc. but the freebies but you were talking about also align with what I was talking about and that is progress or at some call it progressive thinking. We just spent over $1 trillion on an airplane that barely works that money could've gone to educating people or healthcare for everybody. I would much rather see my tax dollars going to help someone in need and then some ridiculous government military boondoggle.

I agree
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I think if you get a breakdown of all the freebies this government gives out you would find that most of it goes to the military-industrial complex and of course banks that are too big to fail, etc. but the freebies but you were talking about also align with what I was talking about and that is progress or at some call it progressive thinking. We just spent over $1 trillion on an airplane that barely works that money could've gone to educating people or healthcare for everybody. I would much rather see my tax dollars going to help someone in need and then some ridiculous government military boondoggle.

Your way, way off on how the Federal Government spends ( I assume you meant Federal not State spending).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

And if you add State spending to ''government" spending, you're even more wrong. State's spend 9 times more on education than the Federal government does. So just on education alone, we spend about as much on education as we do on military. And when we add the rest of State spending, the amount spent on non-military grows even more than the amount on the Federal pie chart.

The last I heard we were electing a federal president.
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Your way, way off on how the Federal Government spends ( I assume you meant Federal not State spending).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/

And if you add State spending to ''government" spending, you're even more wrong. State's spend 9 times on education than the Federal government does. So just on education alone, we spend about as much on education as we do on military. And when we add the rest of State spending, the amount spent on non-military grows even more than the amount on the Federal pie chart.
You forgot his mention of big banks. I think the working assumption that the Government will bail out the big guys if the fan hits has to lower their borrowing costs. How many billions in taxpayer subsidies is this equivalent to?

Pell grants are federally funded no?
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The last I heard we were electing a federal president.
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You forgot his mention of big banks. I think the working assumption that the Government will bail out the big guys if the fan hits has to lower their borrowing costs. How many billions in taxpayer subsidies is this equivalent to?

I thought It was the evil "conservatives" and libertarians who opposed bailing out the big banks. Wasn't it a progressive idea to bail them out? Aren't big banks in cahoots with big government a progressive idea? And wasn't that supposed to be good for the economy, therefor good for the people that Nebe wants the money to go to?

Anyway, if the military is not good for the protection of the people that Nebe wants to get the money, what's it good for?

And, again, for progressives and so-called "liberals," government means the Federal Government. The States spend almost all their money for the "good" of the people. But that never seems to add to the equation that progressives consider when they complain how the "government" distributes money. Of course, for progressives, States are an unnecessary nuisance. It would be so much simpler and more efficient if they were eliminated as governmental agencies and all was left to one central government.

Of course, for progressives, States are an unnecessary nuisance. It would be so much simpler and more efficient if they were eliminated as governmental agencies and all was left to one central government.

Yes,they would love to see the end of home rule where individual citizens can
speak their minds and participate in the government.
They love the sheeple mentality rather then think for themselves.

Small Government -v- Big Government is not all Federal either. More conservative people think the states should have bigger responsibility and the Federal gov less, Progressives think the Federal Government needs more control.

Control -v- Liberty, sliding scale

The moderate middle is lacking leadership.

So I'm watching the republican front-runners on the stump this week. Primary campaign issues appear to be bottled water, spray tans, pathological dishonesty and hand size.

WTF is wrong with the GOP?

I have thought a lot about it. It's the same bull chit that people say about Sanders being a Comunist.
Rand Paul is endorsing him as being the most free market friendly of the bunch. Think about that.

There's no question in my mind that a vast majority of Trump supporters are mouth breathing poorly educated racist xenophobes. Sure, some are smart highly educated racists.
The fact is... Trump = hate, fear, ignorance, and white power. :wave:
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"Trump = hate, fear, ignorance, and white power"

I don't think he's ignorant on business and economics. Othe rthan that, you are correct.

Using that logic, Obama = hate, fear, ignorance, and black power.

So I'm watching the republican front-runners on the stump this week. Primary campaign issues appear to be bottled water, spray tans, pathological dishonesty and hand size.

WTF is wrong with the GOP?

I suppose it doesn't compare to non stop pandering for the black vote .
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As for the black vote, why wouldn't the majority of the black population vote democratic? They want progress.
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Yeah. During the height of segregation, 30% of black babies were born out of wedlock. Today, under a black president, that figure is 72%. That's some progress, Nebe.

Nebe, look at the big urban areas in our country, heavy black populations, most controlled by Democrats. How many of those places are better off today than they were 25 years ago. Here in CT, I think of Bridgeport, New Haven, and Hartford. 35 years ago, those were nice places to vosit with a family (at least Hartford and New Haven were). Today, those places look more like Mogidishu than they look like the cities they were a generation ago.

That's progress?

What you call "progress", is actually a need for blacks to feed their addiction to entitlement, because liberal policies have rendered many of them unable to compete. It's like finding a wounded animal. The goal should be to nurse it back to health, and then let it fend for itself. Sometimes, the animal becomes too dependent on its enablers, and is then unable to fend for itself, so it must be kept in a sanctuary.

Republicans want to help boor people acquire the skills they need to succeed (and continue to help the few who truly can't provide for themselves). Liberals want to make hugfe numbers of poor people addicted to welfare, forever dependent on the feds to avoid starvation, in return for votes. That's not respect, and it sure as hell isn't progress.

And if you don't believe me, come to CT and take a stroll in Bridgeport or Hartford, and see for yourself all the progress that poor blacks have made at the hands of the bluest of liberals.

Small Government -v- Big Government is not all Federal either. More conservative people think the states should have bigger responsibility and the Federal gov less, Progressives think the Federal Government needs more control.

Control -v- Liberty, sliding scale

The moderate middle is lacking leadership.

The importance of the moderate middle in a sliding scale is its ability to keep the scale from sliding any further in any direction. To maintain the status quo. So it depends at what point the moderate middle asserts itself.

The scale has obviously slid in one direction, toward Federal power, for a long time. So if we assert moderation at this point, we maintain the massive power advantage the Federal Government has at this point. And granting that the mechanisms by which the central government have used and are using to gain more power are part of our status quo, moderation will keep in place those mechanisms. So we will continue sliding in that direction, perhaps at a moderate pace, although the mechanisms have allowed the pace to quicken.

Conservatives of a constitutional stripe believe the power scale should rest at that place where individuals have the most influence on where the widest scope of direct power over them is applied. They believe that place is local government. They believe moderation at that point will best maintain the "Control -v- Liberty, sliding scale" necessary for self-government.

So I'm watching the republican front-runners on the stump this week. Primary campaign issues appear to be bottled water, spray tans, pathological dishonesty and hand size.

WTF is wrong with the GOP?

Maybe you should start by figuring out what is wrong with your "perspective."

I suppose it doesn't compare to non stop pandering for the black vote .
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Spence accidentally stumbled into one truth, that teh debates aren't about ideas, or why one person has a better vision than the other. Until Super Tuesday, it's desperation tactics to take Trump down.

We're probably on the verge of nominating a punch line instead of a real candidate.

Spence woul dhave us believe that the Democrats are on the verge of nominating someone as competent as Eisenhower. Not exactly true. By his own admission, she has trouble remembering whether she was shot at, or whether she casually worked a rope line, shaking hands and posing for the camera.

Our choices...(1) An amoral, serial liar, who was a disaster as Secstate (inherited a stable Iraq, left office with Iraq ablaze), with zero integrity..or (2) a narcisstic, flip-flopping, horse's ass of a reality show host with zero integrity. What a choice. At a time when we are on the edge of an abyss.

What the hell is wrong with all of us? How can we not demand more?

I suppose it doesn't compare to non stop pandering for the black vote .
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The Repub. appeal so little to blacks anything that is said about them is considering "pandering"

Maybe you should start by figuring out what is wrong with your "perspective."
Why do you assume my perspective is wrong?

Trump did disavow Duke's support after Rubio laid into him.

I'm suprised he knew nothing about "David Duke or white supremacy or white supremacists"

LEESBURG, Va. — Republican front-runner Donald Trump drew sharp criticism from his rivals in both parties Sunday for refusing to denounce an implicit endorsement from former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, raising the specter of racism as the presidential campaign hits the South.

Trump was asked on CNN's "State of the Union" whether he rejected support from the former KKK Grand Dragon and other white supremacists after Duke told his radio followers this week that a vote against Trump was equivalent to "treason to your heritage."

"Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. OK?" Trump said. "I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists."

Trump's comments came the same day he retweeted a quote from Benito Mussolini, the 20th century fascist dictator of Italy. And in a boost for his campaign in the South, he scored the endorsement of Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, one of the most strident opponents of immigration reform on Capitol Hill.

But it was Trump's statements about Duke that sparked a wave of censures with just two days to go before 11 states hold GOP primaries involving about a quarter of the party's total nominating delegate count. Several states in the South, a region with a fraught racial history, are among those voting in the Super Tuesday contests.

Marco Rubio quickly pounced on Trump's comments, saying the GOP "cannot be a party who refuses to condemn white supremacists and the Ku Klux Klan."

"Not only is that wrong, it makes him unelectable," Rubio told thousands of supporters gathered in Leesburg, Virginia. "How are we going to grow the party if we nominate someone who doesn't repudiate the Ku Klux Klan?"

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz called Trump's comments "Really sad."

"You're better than this," Cruz wrote on Twitter. "We should all agree, racism is wrong, KKK is abhorrent."

Trump has won three of four early voting states, roiling a party divided over the prospect of the brash billionaire becoming its nominee. Late Sunday, Nebraska's Ben Sasse became the first sitting Republican senator to say explicitly that he would not back Trump if he does win the nomination.

"If Trump becomes the Republican nominee my expectation is that I'll look for some 3rd candidate — a conservative option, a constitutionalist," Sasse wrote on Twitter.

With a strong showing on Super Tuesday, Trump could begin to pull away from his rivals in the all-important delegate count.

In the Southern states that vote Tuesday, Republican candidates will face an electorate that is overwhelmingly white. In South Carolina, the only Southern state to have voted so far, 96 percent of the GOP primary electorate was white, while 6 in 10 voters in the Democratic race were black.

While the South was once a Democratic stronghold, many white conservatives who backed the party started moving toward the GOP during the civil rights movement. Trump has borrowed from the rhetoric former President Richard Nixon used during that time to appeal to working-class white voters, describing his campaign has a movement of the "silent majority."

Trump holds commanding leads across the South, with the exception of Cruz's home state of Texas, a dynamic that puts tremendous pressure on Rubio and Cruz as they try to outlast each other and derail the real estate mogul.

Trump was asked Friday by journalists how he felt about Duke's support. He said he didn't know anything about it and curtly said: "All right, I disavow, ok?"

Why do you assume my perspective is wrong?

Perhaps because you can't do something as morally obvious, as admitting that Hilary lies.

Spence, she flip-flopped many times on the cause of the Benghazi attack. You chalk it all up to fog of war, and conflicting reports. That may be. But boy, isn't it interesting that in every private conversation, she seemed to admit it was terrorism, and in every public statement, she relied on the video protest theory (and therefore, the attack was spontaneous and not in any way her fault).

Now, it's possible, that every time she was about to have a private conversation, she got a report saying that it was terrorism. And then just before each scheduled public statement, those same intelligence folks said to her "look, we know we just told you it was terrorism, but forget that, now we believe it was a video protest, so we want you to go with that".

That's certainly possible. But I asked you several times for some kind of timeline (who briefed her, and when) to support that notion. And you provided zip. So it appears you are accepting her explanation without any skepticism.

How fortunate for her, that every time the intelligence community told her what the cause was, it worked out in such a way that every time she made a public statement, she was reporting that she was not to blame.

We should all be so lucky.

Spence, she flip-flopped many times on the cause of the Benghazi attack. You chalk it all up to fog of war, and conflicting reports. That may be. But boy, isn't it interesting that in every private conversation, she seemed to admit it was terrorism, and in every public statement, she relied on the video protest theory (and therefore, the attack was spontaneous and not in any way her fault).
You sure throw out a lot of "every" for someone who can't even piece together a basic timeline on their own.

Paul S, yes, white supremcists will endorse Trump.

And Al Sharpton (who has been to the White House more times than the tour guides) will endorse Hilary. Al Sharpton has innocent blood on his hands, in at least one case his hateful, race-baiting incited a riot that led to a completely innocent Jew being stabbed to death. Google Crown Heights, Freddys Fashion Mart (where after Sharpton got the mob sufficiently crazed, someone set fire to a store rented by a Jew, I think 6 or 7 were killed).

If we are going to hold Trump responsible for everyone who endorses him, let's do the same for Obama and Hilary, correct?

Trump is an ass. But let's hold everyone to the same scrutiny. Fair enough?

The GOP is imploding and Jim's throwing the "Freddy's Fashion Mart" card.

You sure throw out a lot of "every" for someone who can't even piece together a basic timeline on their own.

That's the best you can respond with?

You were the one, not me, who said that her flip-flopping was not self-serving deceit, but rather, her innocently responding to conflicting intelligence. Do you deny saying that?

Sure I can. In a private call to Chelsea, and in a private call to the leader of Egypt, she said it was terrorism. In between, and certainly afte, she (and her staff) said it was a video protest.

The GOP is imploding and Jim's throwing the "Freddy's Fashion Mart" card.

We're 'imploding"? We control both houses of Congress, and a large majority of governorships and state legislatures. If you call that "imploding", what do you call what's happening on your side?

Yes, Freddy's Fashion Mart. I tend to be an irrational stickler about trivial little things, such as 7 innocent people (it was 7) who were burned to death, after Sharpton worked the crowd into a racist mob. I know, i know, I shouldn't obsess over such insignificant, trivial things!

Every democratic presidential candidate of our generation is forced to kneel before Sharpton and kiss his ring. That's more than sufficient evidence to tell me that somethging is terribly, horribly amiss on your side.

What does Al Sharpton have to do with any of this?

What does Al Sharpton have to do with any of this?

More than any of your comments.

The GOP is imploding

I think the GOP was declared dead for a generation shortly after the election of Obama...... but then proceeded to dominate national and local elections

it's your whacked perspective :rollem:

More than any of your comments.
You're on a roll today. Why so pithy?

What does Al Sharpton have to do with any of this?

Let's see... The liberals here are bashing Trump for the fact that David Duke endorsed him. My point, and it's valid, is that if Trump is to be criticized for getting Duke's endorsement, then we should criticize Obama as well. Because not only did Sharpton endorse Obama, he has been to the White House 100 times.

If Trump were to get elected, I doubt he would rely on David Duke for counsel on race relations. But that's exactly what Obama has done with the pig Sharpton.

Do you ever, and I mean ever, concede that conservatives have a valid point?

Why do you assume my perspective is wrong?

Quote Spence: "So I'm watching the republican front-runners on the stump this week. Primary campaign issues appear to be bottled water, spray tans, pathological dishonesty and hand size.

WTF is wrong with the GOP?" End quote.

There are more important "issues" being addressed in the Repub. primary than you portray. But reducing the campaign to your parody dismisses them to your version of nonsense.

Jim says you're better than that. What's wrong with you?

You're on a roll today. Why so pithy?

Sometimes I use your style.

Let's see... The liberals here are bashing Trump for the fact that David Duke endorsed him. My point, and it's valid, is that if Trump is to be criticized for getting Duke's endorsement, then we should criticize Obama as well. Because not only did Sharpton endorse Obama, he has been to the White House 100 times.

If Trump were to get elected, I doubt he would rely on David Duke for counsel on race relations. But that's exactly what Obama has done with the pig Sharpton.

Do you ever, and I mean ever, concede that conservatives have a valid point?

i don't have a problem so much with the endorsement (anyone can endorse someone) as much as Trump's not disavowing it until people got on him. And then his asinine comments that he didn't know who Duke was or what white supremacy is. That either shows he is a liar or really stupid (I suspect the former).

To your point about Sharpton. He speaks out when he sees (or thinks he sees discrimination). And when he speaks, he says stupid stuff. That stupid stuff overwhelms any valid points he may have so that his message is lost. I don’t really recall he had a part of the crown heights incident but know a lot about the Tawana Brawley mess. The KKK killed 0,000s of blacks. So while not the best analogy, I can see how people can make it. I think Obama has Sharpton to the WH to pay lip service (can't wait to see comments on that one) to him and thus the Black community.

Edit - just saw on CNN a Medal of Honor ceremony honoring a Seal Team 6 member for rescuing a hostage. I'm sure you would have enjoyed watching that.

This is really good.

https://www.facebook.com/LastWeekTonight/videos/851020811693596/?fref=nf

Trump did disavow Duke's support after Rubio laid into him.

I'm suprised he knew nothing about "David Duke or white supremacy or white supremacists"

Should "white supremacists" or black racists not be allowed to vote? Why should a candidate have to disavow a vote? It's going to count in the tally whether its disavowed or not. And candidates who win election don't have to, nor could they, make into law every desire of all who voted for them.

The guilt by association thing didn't sway Democrats from voting for Obama even though he was closely associated with radical anti-American, Marxist/communist people. He was actually more directly associated with those people than Trump is with so-called white supremacists.


In the Southern states that vote Tuesday, Republican candidates will face an electorate that is overwhelmingly white. In South Carolina, the only Southern state to have voted so far, 96 percent of the GOP primary electorate was white, while 6 in 10 voters in the Democratic race were black.

While the South was once a Democratic stronghold, many white conservatives who backed the party started moving toward the GOP during the civil rights movement. Trump has borrowed from the rhetoric former President Richard Nixon used during that time to appeal to working-class white voters, describing his campaign has a movement of the "silent majority."

The irony in the notion that the "Southern Strategy" was racist is that the South became less racist as the South became More Republican and less Democrat.

Trump was asked Friday by journalists how he felt about Duke's support. He said he didn't know anything about it and curtly said: "All right, I disavow, ok?"

There you have it. He disavowed Duke's support. But Duke's vote will count anyway. Happy now.

The Repub. appeal so little to blacks anything that is said about them is considering "pandering"

Tell me what the Democrats do for Black people.
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i don't have a problem so much with the endorsement (anyone can endorse someone) as much as Trump's not disavowing it until people got on him. And then his asinine comments that he didn't know who Duke was or what white supremacy is. That either shows he is a liar or really stupid (I suspect the former).

To your point about Sharpton. He speaks out when he sees (or thinks he sees discrimination). And when he speaks, he says stupid stuff. That stupid stuff overwhelms any valid points he may have so that his message is lost. I don’t really recall he had a part of the crown heights incident but know a lot about the Tawana Brawley mess. The KKK killed 0,000s of blacks. So while not the best analogy, I can see how people can make it. I think Obama has Sharpton to the WH to pay lip service (can't wait to see comments on that one) to him and thus the Black community.

Edit - just saw on CNN a Medal of Honor ceremony honoring a Seal Team 6 member for rescuing a hostage. I'm sure you would have enjoyed watching that.


"i don't have a problem so much with the endorsement (anyone can endorse someone) as much as Trump's not disavowing it until people got on him. "

That's 100% fair.

"{I don’t really recall he had a part of the crown heights incident "

A car driven by white Jews in NYC was sideswiped, pushed onto the sidewalk, where it killed a young black boy. A mob appeared to be threatening the driver of the car (who cares that he got smashed into, and that's why he ended up on the sidewalk), so he was escorted out of there. Sharpton got everyone worked up about how the Jews are out to kill the blacks, and after they were foamong at the mouth, one of them walked up to the nearest white person and stabbed them to death.

Look up the incident at Freddys.. 7 innnocent pepole burned alive.

Look, I'm not saying Sharpton is the moral equivalent of the Klan. But he's got innocent blood on his hands, stemming from racial hatred. And every single Democratic candidate feels the need to suck up to him, and Obama calls him into the White House all the time. That should be disturbing to anyone.

"I think Obama has Sharpton to the WH to pay lip service (can't wait to see comments on that one) to him and thus the Black community"

It's cowardly. You can respect blacks by inviting someone else to teh White House, anyone else. By inviting him constantky, Obama is legitimizing Sharpton. He doesn't deserve legitimacy, he deserves to ba called out for what he is. That's what leadership is.

"just saw on CNN a Medal of Honor ceremony honoring a Seal Team 6 member for rescuing a hostage. I'm sure you would have enjoyed watching that"

Thanks! I read about it this AM, I didn't know it was SEAL team 6, I knew it was a Seal. I hope th edoctor they saved goes on to live a rich, fulfilling life. One SEAL was killed in that raid. You don't hear about hand-to-hand combat every day in modern warfare...Awful stuff.

Tell me what the Democrats do for Black people.
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They cripple them for life, a form of cultural genocide, by destroying their desire to succeed, and getting them addicted to welfare. I htink it was Lyndon Johnson who said "if we give these 'people' (he used the n-word) some free stuff, they'll vote for us for a hundred years. "

I cannot help but wonder if Democrats do this deliberately. The evidence of cultural destruction is so overwhelming, I don't see how any well-meaning person could fail to acknowledge it, unless the cultural destruction is actually the goal.

Tell me what the Democrats do for Black people.
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They show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people?

They show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people?

Let's see...they ended slavery...then, they ended segregation...we would prefer to see black babies being born to seeing them slaughtered by the thousands...today, they want to help black people improve themselves, rather than expecting them to merely postpone death while living on $500 a month.

Here's what I don't get. Bill Clinton is a hero to blacks. Am I the only one who remembers what he actually did? He kicked millions of them off welfare. They didn't starve, they went back to work. Which, if you are able to work, is what you need.

Paul, it looks to me, that what the Dems do, is pat blacks on the head (no matter what they do) and say "there, there, it's not your fault".

Republicans (as a group) have no problem helping blacks. The difference, is that conservatives seem to get the idea, that sometimes saying "no" is the best answer, and that tough love is still love.

Oh, the other thing that Dems do, is (1) ruin urban schools, and then (2) deny black parents the ability to choose to send their kids to schools that actually work.

Which is funny, because don't liberals pride themselves as being "pro-choice"? I'm fairly certain I heard that somewhere. Apparently, not when it comes to being able to choose a better school for their kids.

They show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people?

And if you think your side has a monopoly on that compassion, please look up a study called "Who Really Cares", which showed that conservatives are actually slightly more charitable than liberals, despite earning less money on average. Interesting. If you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe the New York Times, not always known for having a conservative bias...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html?_r=0

We've discussed this many times. Take out giving to churches and the #s are very close. My largest charity is to my church.

I find this election cycle fascinating. The sheer numbers of people voting for Trump and other GOP candidates in the primaries has dwarfed the turnout numbers in the DEM primaries. Most presidential elections are won by the party who can attract most of independent voters AND in no small part, the numbers of what I call uneducated/uninformed voters. The Dems have had a monopoly on these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. Trump has turned that portion of the electorate around and managed to get the vote out for the GOP.

We've discussed this many times. Take out giving to churches and the #s are very close. My largest charity is to my church.

Agreed, it's very close, even with churches. I wasn't saying that conservatives are far more generous than liberals, so your pointing out the fact about churches, in no way responds to what I said.

YOU were the one who made th ecomment that democrats show compassion, implying to me, that you don't feel that conservatives share that compassion. That's demonstrably false. Unless I missed what you meant when you said this:

"They (Democrats) show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people? "



The liberal policies that have been born out of that compassion, have been an abject disaster for blacks. Look at the urban areas that democrats have controled unilaterally for 40 years. Are they better, or worse, after 40 years of liberal rule, Paul?

If I asked you, or Spence, or Rockhound this question, how would you respond? Here's the question - please tell me what evidence there is, other than popular perception, that liberals care more about blacks than conservatives do? Seriously, how would you respond to that?

They can't Jim . It's a myth , like affordable health care .
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They show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people?

For government, law, to be dispensed equally, it must be dispassionate. Compassion is a fellow feeling of people for other people. Dispassionate government is not "other" in relation to a free people. It is, at least it's supposed to be in our system, The People. The government doing things for people is people doing it for themselves. That is not compassion. That is self-reliance.

True compassion, person to person, is not a guaranteed, permanent relationship. True compassion does not reduce the beneficiary to dependence.

When government acts, as it does in dictatorial or tyrannical systems, as a separate person in relation to other persons (outside the government), those other persons are no longer beneficiaries of the kindness of other persons, on whom they cannot permanently depend. Instead, they are reduced to dependents. And when government has the power to reduce the people to the status of dependents, it derives and maintains its power as a dictator or as a ruling class of people who dole out favors (contrived compassion) to those who choose to depend on it and withholds favors from those who oppose it.

If I asked you, or Spence, or Rockhound this question, how would you respond? Here's the question - please tell me what evidence there is, other than popular perception, that liberals care more about blacks than conservatives do? Seriously, how would you respond to that?

I can't answer for them but the policies of the 2 parties differs greatly. The Rep. always blame the problems of blacks and the poor as being no fault of anyone but themselves and say "look at so and so. They picked themselves up from a terrrible beginning and made a success of themselves. Why can't Blacks do it". The Dems. try to help those people by funding pre-k, headstart and other social service orgs. Tough to become a success if you're going to school w/an empty stomach, dirty clothes and you haven't been read to the night before.

Studies have shown that someone raised in poverty has very little chance these days of raising out of the economic class they were born to.

I used the word compassion and you attached a link to a story about giving. Certainly you can have compassion w/o giving $ (volunteering) but a lot depends on $. People aren't going to give $ for someone else to get food stamps or fund a pre K.

Waiting for Buckman to respond. Maybe he can tell me a little about the pandering?

They can't Jim . It's a myth , like affordable health care .
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But medical inflation have been decreasing recently.

Maybe the Reps. will let Medicare negotiate drugs prices directly with drug manufacturer just as the insurance companies do. You're right is not affordable but that has been a many decades long issue.

New data released today by the Kaiser Family Foundation show that premium growth in employer-sponsored coverage remained slow in 2015, extending the recent streak of unusually slow growth. Taken together with estimates of current trends in Medicare spending released this summer, these data suggest that underlying growth in per-enrollee health care costs remains low, even as the dramatic expansion in coverage since early 2014 drives a temporary uptick in the growth of aggregate health care spending.



1. Premiums in employer-based coverage continued to grow slowly in 2015. The new Kaiser survey finds that the average premium for employer-based family coverage grew 4.2 percent in 2015. While slightly faster than the record-tying 3 percent rate recorded in 2014, this reading for 2015 continues the recent pattern of unusually slow growth; the last four years account for four of the five lowest growth rates since the survey began in 1999. The Kaiser estimates corroborate earlier estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employer Cost Index that showed that slow growth in employers’ health benefit costs continued into 2015, as well as results from a national survey released last week by the consulting firm Mercer, which found that employers have seen slow growth persist through 2015 and expect it to continue into 2016.

They show some compassion for those that need a helping hand.

How is that?

What do Repub. do for Black people?

For government, law, to be dispensed equally, it must be dispassionate. Compassion is a fellow feeling of people for other people. Dispassionate government is not "other" in relation to a free people. It is, at least it's supposed to be in our system, The People. The government doing things for people is people doing it for themselves. That is not compassion. That is self-reliance.

True compassion, person to person, is not a guaranteed, permanent relationship. True compassion does not reduce the beneficiary to dependence.

When government acts, as it does in dictatorial or tyrannical systems, as a separate person in relation to other persons (outside the government), those other persons are no longer beneficiaries of the kindness of other persons, on whom they cannot permanently depend. Instead, they are reduced to dependents. And when government has the power to reduce the people to the status of dependents, it derives and maintains its power as a dictator or as a ruling class of people who dole out favors (contrived compassion) to those who choose to depend on it and withholds favors from those who oppose it.

Waiting for Buckman to respond. Maybe he can tell me a little about the pandering?

Come on! When Hilary goes to a black precinct and she CHANGES HER DIALECT to sound more black, that's not pandering?

But medical inflation have been decreasing recently.

Maybe the Reps. will let Medicare negotiate drugs prices directly with drug manufacturer just as the insurance companies do. You're right is not affordable but that has been a many decades long issue.

New data released today by the Kaiser Family Foundation show that premium growth in employer-sponsored coverage remained slow in 2015, extending the recent streak of unusually slow growth. Taken together with estimates of current trends in Medicare spending released this summer, these data suggest that underlying growth in per-enrollee health care costs remains low, even as the dramatic expansion in coverage since early 2014 drives a temporary uptick in the growth of aggregate health care spending.



1. Premiums in employer-based coverage continued to grow slowly in 2015. The new Kaiser survey finds that the average premium for employer-based family coverage grew 4.2 percent in 2015. While slightly faster than the record-tying 3 percent rate recorded in 2014, this reading for 2015 continues the recent pattern of unusually slow growth; the last four years account for four of the five lowest growth rates since the survey began in 1999. The Kaiser estimates corroborate earlier estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employer Cost Index that showed that slow growth in employers’ health benefit costs continued into 2015, as well as results from a national survey released last week by the consulting firm Mercer, which found that employers have seen slow growth persist through 2015 and expect it to continue into 2016.
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Premium growth is slow because the product is worse . Look at your deductible compared to before the ACA . Your out of pocket is way up .... Unless of course you get it subsidized .

New data released today by the Kaiser Family Foundation show that premium growth in employer-sponsored coverage remained slow in 2015,

Looking at premium changes, without considering what's covered, is very misleading. For example, if my new policy requires me to pay a huge deductible before the insurance kicks in, yet my premium doesn't change, that's still a huge rate increase to me. I'm not saying that your study is manipulating that, but you have to compare the premium charged, with how exttensive the coverage is.

And Obama didn't promise that premiums would increase at a slower pace. What he promised, is that the average family would see a $2500 annual decrease in cost.

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Premium growth is slow because the product is worse . Look at your deductible compared to before the ACA . Your out of pocket is way up .... Unless of course you get it subsidized .

You're right that prem. growth has slowed bc of that. Companies are pushing more of the cost of the insurance onto the ee. either through higher deductibles or making the ee pay a higher % of the costs. However, the overall costs of health care inflation (called Trend) has been decreasing. The following was from the 2nd part of what I posted.

The Kaiser estimates corroborate earlier estimates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employer Cost Index that showed that slow growth in employers’ health benefit costs continued into 2015, as well as results from a national survey released last week by the consulting firm Mercer, which found that employers have seen slow growth persist through 2015 and expect it to continue into 2016.

However, the overall costs of health care inflation (called Trend) has been decreasing.

Healthcare costs are not decreasing, though...they are just increasing at a slower rate. The trends are positive, but they are smaller positive than they have been in the past. Which hopefully is a start.

I only read/copied the 1st of 3 pages.

http://healthleadersmedia.com/content/COM-318298/Healthcare-Inflation-Slowing-But-Not-Enough##


The health spending rate is slowing. It has been slowing for a long time in a very incremental way, but we are not able to declare victory here," says the director of PwC's Health Research Institute.

PwC's projections for healthcare cost growth in 2016 provide a mixed review of cost containment.

The good news is that the projected 6.5% increase in healthcare inflation in 2016 is almost half the cost growth of 11.9% in 2007, when PwC first started making its annual projections. The bad news is that 6.5% cost growth is wildly outpacing wage growth and is unsustainable over the long run in a country that already spends close to 18% of its gross domestic product on healthcare.

To put that growth in perspective, the overall rate of inflation in the larger economy over the past year was 0%. "You can see what I would call a little bit of good news, but not enough good news to celebrate yet," Benjamin Isgur, director of PwC's Health Research Institute, said during webcast detailing the findings.

"The health spending rate is slowing. It has been slowing for a long time in a very incremental way, but we are not able to declare victory here. It is one of those things where we are winning a few battles but the overall war of health growth is still there. In fact, when we compare that to our national health expenditures as a percentage of gross domestic product, over these last several decades you see a larger and larger part of our economy spent on health services."


That's not necessarily a bad thing, Isgur says.

"Every economy gets to decide what they are going to spend their money on, but as it rises now past 15% of GDP, it does call into question the crowd out effect. Does that mean there are less resources to spend on things like education and transportation? The healthcare growth rate is still rising faster than general economic inflation."

PwC says the key "inflators" for healthcare cost growth in 2016 are expected to include the rising cost of specialty drugs such as Sovaldi, the Hepatitis C therapy from Gilead Sciences; and cybersecurity measures to prevent or mitigate increasingly sophisticated and aggressive large-scale breaches.

Preventive cybersecurity measures are particularly cost effective, PwC says, costing about $8 per patient record, while post-breach measures, including HIPAA fines and customer restitution, can cost about $200 per patient record.

Cost Deflators

The key "deflator" for healthcare cost growth is expected to be the "Cadillac tax" on insurance premiums that will take effect in 2019. To avoid the 40% excise tax, employers are already altering their benefits designs to increase by shifting more of the expense onto employees. The percentage of employers who are only offering high-deductible health plans has grown from 13% in 2012 to 25% in 2015.

"We are starting to see more and more employees share in the cost of their health plans," Isgur says.

Cost Deflators

The key "deflator" for healthcare cost growth is expected to be the "Cadillac tax" on insurance premiums that will take effect in 2019. To avoid the 40% excise tax, employers are already altering their benefits designs to increase by shifting more of the expense onto employees. The percentage of employers who are only offering high-deductible health plans has grown from 13% in 2012 to 25% in 2015.

"We are starting to see more and more employees share in the cost of their health plans," Isgur says.

Again, what they are calling "cost deflators", are thing sthat cause premiums to decrease, not things that reduce the overall cost of healthcare. If my employers swithces to a high-deductible plan, my premium will go down, but that doesn't mean my out-of-pocket expenses will go down. So what's the value in knowing that my premiums are increasing at a slower pace, but that's offset by higher deductibles or co-pays?

Look at the 2nd page of the link for other cost deflators.

and since you mention the Cadillac tax (the implementatin was delayed):

It is a tax on the most expensive insurance plans to slow people's’ use of health care. It will lesson the employer sponsored tax subsidy that the vast majority of healthcare economists think cause the overuse of healthcare. It will hit a larger and larger % of premiums over time.

Business, ees and insurers won’t like that so insurers will be forced develop ways to reduce health care costs and drive harder bargains with providers. This will also likely mean that more health care costs are shifted from premiums to out-of-pocket expenses. That should encourage lower utilization and/or lower prices too.

I find this election cycle fascinating. The sheer numbers of people voting for Trump and other GOP candidates in the primaries has dwarfed the turnout numbers in the DEM primaries. Most presidential elections are won by the party who can attract most of independent voters AND in no small part, the numbers of what I call uneducated/uninformed voters. The Dems have had a monopoly on these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. Trump has turned that portion of the electorate around and managed to get the vote out for the GOP.

Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

Wait . . . Hillary is not white?

voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

Are you feeling OK? Your side has Hilary and Bernie.

The other side has Cruz, Rubio, Ben Carson.

Which side is whiter?

I await your honest, thoughtful reply. Good lord.

Wait . . . Hillary is not white?

Maybe he heard her pandering to blacks by switching to a jive dialect at one of her speeches and, assuming no one could be that condescending, he assumed she really is black.

I think we traded for Micheal Jackson and gave them a "Player to be Named Later"........so we are in the process of completing the trade. Hillary is "Dat Playah"
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ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolbmguzvGk&feature=youtu.be

Obamacare...here's a shocker

http://freebeacon.com/issues/official-8-of-11-remaining-obamacare-co-ops-on-the-brink/

Looking forward to casting my vote for Bernie today 👍
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Looking forward to casting my vote for Bernie today 👍
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Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

All of you genius' are gonna crap your pants when Trump is your leader. I support him all the way.

I'm not a rascist, I am a realist. This country is REALLY effed up, time to shake it up!

Love that you more intelligent folks, can tell exactly who is supporting Trump.

Guess I'm just a dumbass, uneducated, rascist. Too bad, I thought I was pretty ok. I'll take your word for it guys, you are smart, I am stupid. BUT my team is going to win, and yours is Shrillery the ENABLER.

Maybe the Shrill, is really the stupid one out of all of us. 1. Bill 2. Benghazi 3. Bill 4. emails 5. these suits she is wearing have to go. 6. she is a wall street suck up. with zero true business experience.

And lastly, she is the leader of the politically correct wave. They spend more time worrying about bullies than they do about defeating our enemies.

Trump is going to crush her in the general, woo hoo

Interesting to hear The statistics for Massachusetts this morning . The Democrat party lost 30,000 last year. 1/3 of those reenrolled as Republicans .
I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Ironically these are the same people complaining that they are crushed by student loans , that they can't afford to repay . Education they couldn't afford was only there first mistake in life .
I prefer to surround myself with people with common sense and open minds
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:shocked:
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It's my anti Hillary vote .
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Sadly I agree ... will the Right blame these uninformed/uneducated voters for the last two presidential elections. when trump gets to the white house due to them or will they suddenly stop being uninformed and uneducated voters and become intelligent just because they Voted White I meant GOP???

I don't think when Dennis wrote "uninformed and uneducated voters", he meant they didn't go to school or weren't intelligent, I think he meant they weren't necessarily politically astute or don't spend/invest considerable time into the political process which is why so many can't make up their minds each election cycle between two candidates with polar opposite views...but we still hear demands that they all get out and vote don't we?:bl:

like Dennis I'm thoroughly enjoying this go round....I don't like Trump but he's as close as you can get to actually waterboarding a leftist or a Republican establishment type and the MSM... which is endlessly amusing

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

Paul, earlier i asked you this question...other than public perception, what evidence is there, that democrats care any more about blacks, than republicans? I didn't see a response.

Paul, when I see what has happened here in CT, to places like Bridgeport and Hartford, controlled by Democrats for a generation, it makes me sick. I look at these failing cities, and I feel that (1) these people deserve better, and (2) whatever the leaders are doing, it clearly isn't working, so let's try something else, anything else.

Please tell me, how that makes me racist.

I think I can make a compelling case that for ANY Dempocratic leader of these cities to say with a straight face "elect me, because I am doing a good job representing you, and what you deserve, is more of the same"...I can make a case THAT is the person who obviously doesn't care about these people.

You cannot make that wrong. You just can't. And that's the agony and irony in all of this...it's what the Tea Party endorses, which is what blacks need to embrace to not just survive, but to start climbinbg th economic ladder. It worked when Bill Clinton did it.

I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Obama is the personification of the notion that there's a big difference between being educated and being smart. "I can add millions of uninsured to the health insurance rolls, and cover more things, and remove lifetime caps on insurance benefits, and that will lower costs by $2,500 per family".

Genius.

If I asked you, or Spence, or Rockhound this question, how would you respond? Here's the question - please tell me what evidence there is, other than popular perception, that liberals care more about blacks than conservatives do? Seriously, how would you respond to that?
Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41/res/eb487289-df8d-4296-8a46-ad31d2e9fb19/S1537592713003733a.pdf

Paul, when I see what has happened here in CT .

http://patch.com/connecticut/ridgefield/connecticut-budget-deficit-skyrockets-0

Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41/res/eb487289-df8d-4296-8a46-ad31d2e9fb19/S1537592713003733a.pdf

Your link doesn't work either
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for the Trump lovers among us .. and others you should see this clip very funny from John Oliver .. this is not news but it is factual

its the Actual things trump has said and done in the clip that should alarm the Trump Faithful ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

my proud communist friend was very confident that Trump would be the next President, and he's never wrong...just ask him ;)

for the Trump lovers among us .. and others you should see this clip very funny from John Oliver .. this is not news but it is factual

its the Actual things trump has said and done in the clip that should alarm the Trump Faithful ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

oh good...is this the new snarky comedian that leftist will roll out to make all of their "points"? :rotf3:

this is not news but it is factual....love that...


hey Spence....that's all been taken out of context ...right???

Interesting to hear The statistics for Massachusetts this morning . The Democrat party lost 30,000 last year. 1/3 of those reenrolled as Republicans .
I love how the left throws out the word "uneducated " , as if it's some indicator of smarts. Ironically these are the same people complaining that they are crushed by student loans , that they can't afford to repay . Education they couldn't afford was only there first mistake in life .
I prefer to surround myself with people with common sense and open minds
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I think you need to go back and see who threw out the word uneducated (and uninformed).

ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolbmguzvGk&feature=youtu.be

Oh, that restored my belief in a benign God!

Of course, she had to say "of course, a majority of trump's supporters are not African Americans".

I have news for that MENSA candidate...neither are a majority of Barack Obama's supporters.

When you cannot win the debate on the merits of your ideas (and liberals rarely can), ALWAYS resort to the race card. Always.

It's my anti Hillary vote .
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High five!
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Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41/res/eb487289-df8d-4296-8a46-ad31d2e9fb19/S1537592713003733a.pdf

Your link doesn't work. Can you give me the cliffs notes version?

ha..ha..ha...stupid MSNBC talking heads...when things don't go the way you planned



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolbmguzvGk&feature=youtu.be


In a related story, The Narrative was rushed to the hospital via LifeStar helicopter, but was pronounced dead on arrival.

Oh lookie, a political scientist studied this issue...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41/res/eb487289-df8d-4296-8a46-ad31d2e9fb19/S1537592713003733a.pdf

For a minute I thought this might have been hosted on Hillarys server and she deleted it by mistake.
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Your link doesn't work. Can you give me the cliffs notes version?

Try this one...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41

Try this one...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41

I saw notihng in there that explains why blacks in places in Hartford and Bridgeport, are better off under Democratic leadership, than they would be under Republican leadership.

Sorry Spence. You can't measure what doesn't exist, and no data exists to tell us whether or not the people of Hartford would be better off if the Tea Party was running the show. There is overwhelming empirical evidence to show that after 40 yeras of Democrat rule, they are far worse off. It's possible that conservatives would have done even worse, but we can't know. Because pepole like you cannot say out loud, that what we have been doing, has been a disaster. And somehow, you think that means you care more about them than I do.

Have fun with that.

Try this one...

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s4/sh/bebe9dc8-0d1f-4e60-880e-c965fc3f0bff/c79e87e906239d372dc3e7a9ef680b41

This article, claiming to be an objective, empirical, study is basically a selective statistical apologetic for what you might call "old news." It is an attempt to validate government hegemony above individual effort. There is no evaluation of cultural differences and their impact; no weight given to economic disparity within minority groups and the individual efforts therein creating the intra-group income inequality as well as the unequal status and health due to individual differences therein.

It is a "study" that promotes egalitarian group think. That is evident toward the beginning when it states that "The Republican Party’s efforts to end slavery under Abraham Lincoln are the most obvious example of one party favoring a more racially egalitarian agenda than the other party." That is a subtle twist which casts Lincoln's abolishment of slavery as something it was not. It was not about egalitarianism. It was about liberty. Abe did not think blacks were "equal" to whites in an egalitarian sense, but that they should be so before the law.

And it is a testimonial for a "democracy" which is propped up by the Progressive version of an Administrative State. It gives lip service to Congress and the Courts, but lays the power of guiding the state almost exclusively in the hands of the chief administrator, the President. It rightly avoids our idea of a Constitutional Republic, because that obviously is not about the equality of groups, rather it is about unalienable rights of individuals. He says "We focus on the President because that office stands at the top of American Democracy." He claims that " The extent of Presidential power is an open question. . . There is a long-standing debate about the relative influence of Congress and the President." He claims a long-standing debate and bows to a hierarchy neither of which exist in our Constitution.

And the President he says, importantly for his thesis, is the head of a Political Party. He curiously says "The political parties created democracy." And that parties serve interests. This is the very factionalism that the Founders warned against and whose influence Madison said would be nullified because their large number and diversity would work against each other. But the two party system changes that as it subsumes the diverse factions and creates the binary factional war that could, as the Founders warned, destroy the Republic.

He attributes the closing of gaps between groups to Party policies. He says "Because the kinds of redistributional efforts (e.g.) taxing and spending tend to fluctuate extensively from administration to administration, they are, in our opinion, among the most logical sources of minority gains and losses across different administrations." That is, it is government redistributive policies, not cultural nor even individual differences within and between groups that determine the well-being of "groups." That is, dependence on government is the key to success. And the right President, the right Administration, will provide that for us.

The author says, "The more we can do to link minority outcomes to specific policy measures, the more we will be able to help disadvantaged minorities. In an age of growing inequality and sharp racial divisions in the vote, it is imperative that we use our research capacities 'to scrutinize the health of our democracy' and to look for avenues to restore its vitality"

It is amazing that our "democracy" has lost its vitality in spite of all the past policy measures. Maybe it is a because of them?

The article ends "If voters cannot tell whom government has helped and whom it has hurt, they will not know which party to reward and which to punish. . . . By assessing the relative gains and losses of different groups under competing regimes, scholars can contribute substantially to a healthy democracy."

It is the "competing regimes" and the scholars who assess them, that we (as "groups") must depend on--for a healthy democracy. But if a democracy is rule by majority, isn't it the perspective of that majority that determines what is healthy? And isn't that the rub in democracy? The majority determines who to reward and who to punish. If Latinos, as projected, become the majority, will they try to equalize the gaps, or use their power for advantage? Isn't individual liberty a better goal than group egalitarianism?

like Dennis I'm thoroughly enjoying this go round....I don't like Trump but he's as close as you can get to actually waterboarding a leftist or a Republican establishment type and the MSM... which is endlessly amusing
Trump being elected Emperor of the Galactic Empire is worth it for that little quote. Can I steal that?

It's my anti Hillary vote .
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It is OK - if you are a Democrat you can vote more than once.

Trump being elected Emperor of the Galactic Empire is worth it for that little quote. Can I steal that?

he's a great argument against the left's and some on the right's desire to expand executive power, ignoring Congress when they don't agree with him... and broadening the role, scope and expense of government, weakening the Constitution and favoring Federal control and mandate, is he not?...the dems were happy to have all of this occur under Obama but seem terrified at the prospect of someone hostile to THEM having the same powers.....interesting:huh:

It is an attempt to validate government hegemony above individual effort.
I think the premise is pretty simple. Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it. I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

I think the premise is pretty simple. Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it. I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

Wall Street's doing well
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I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

this is not a surprise:rolleyes:...particularly for someone who constantly chastises others for supposedly not reading the links they post

Wall Street's doing well
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Still clutching that Sanders flyer from yesterday I see. Soon you and Nebe will be sharing an Occupy tent.

Still clutching that Sanders flyer from yesterday I see. Soon you and Nebe will be sharing an Occupy tent.

😂 You're the one that has been bragging how well Wall Street has been doing the last few years under Obama . Oh yeah people working for the government have been doing amazingly well also .
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😂 You're the one that has been bragging how well Wall Street has been doing the last few years under Obama. Oh yeah people working for the government have been doing amazingly well also .
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I thought federal unions were outraged at Obama's last planned increase?

You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

I think the premise is pretty simple.

Too simple to the point that it is simple-minded. It promotes the simple-minded notion that the study's "objective, empirical" statistics show that government policies are responsible for those stats. Yet, the very same statistics could be used to back up an argument that white Americans are the superior race. And that blacks are dumb as a rock.

There are many other factors that go into those statistics. And trying to "close the gap" by government spending and taxing in order to shape group behavior can be the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. It doesn't change deeper underlying causes. And worse, it creates a dependence on the lipstick.

Some have done better under democrat leadership and that's why they tend to prefer it.

Again, the statistics are too simple, too broad. Internal statistics could show that "groups," on average, do better because some within those groups have benefited. Many blacks, for instance, have improved financially because they were preferentially hired by Federal, State, and local governments. Large cities with majority black population, like Detroit for instance, became basically a black civil service workforce. That provided higher paying jobs for those blacks working in the government. Those blacks did way "better" than most other people in the city. But the rest of the black Detroiters, the vast majority, did not advance because of it. Yet, the overall average in black pay scale was elevated. And the very same thing would have happened if the blacks had all voted Republican rather than Democrat. The key was that blacks became the majority.

The current Democrat leadership doesn't seem to have "closed the gap," so I don't know how that would affect the study's stats.

I didn't see the word hegemony in the report, but to be honest I didn't read the entire thing.

There were a lot of words I used that were not in the report. If I had used the same words as those in the report, I might have just rewritten the report.

The words (which are chock full of statisms such as "democracy" rather than Republic, "egalitarianism" rather than liberty, "groups" rather than individualism) used to craft the report, reputedly to help minorities choose the right party to advance their well-being, actually promotes racial political warfare rather than creating a color blind society. It promotes political factionalism and majoritarianism. It promotes dependence on government to shape lives. It devalues to the point of eliminating the importance of individual initiative and cultural values. It is the selective, slanted, statistically perfect divide and conquer storm which helps to finally transform us from a once constitutional Republic into an all-powerful, centralized, administrative State.

I thought federal unions were outraged at Obama's last planned increase?

You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

Yet the cost government continues to go through the roof. Debt continues to accumulate and what we ( The 47% ) get for our tax dollars continues to decline .
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You do realize that government workers under Obama have gone down during his presidency right? I believe nearly 3/4 of a million people at the fed, state and local levels.

and which Obama policy resulted in this reduction??

and which Obama policy resulted in this reduction??

Reducing the number of Caucasians LOL
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Mar 2, 5:02 PM EST

TRUMP DOMINATES WITH HUGE TURNOUTS, WIDE BASE OF SUPPORT

BY BILL BARROW AND EMILY SWANSON
ASSOCIATED PRESS


WASHINGTON, D.C. (AP) -- Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump continues to demonstrate a wide base of support, riding record turnouts to seven victories out of the 11 states where Republicans cast Super Tuesday ballots.

Exit polls conducted for the Associated Press and other media across nine of the states showed Trump drawing significant support across educational, ideological, age and income classifications.

oh good...is this the new snarky comedian that leftist will roll out to make all of their "points"? :rotf3:

this is not news but it is factual....love that...


hey Spence....that's all been taken out of context ...right???

Did you hear Romneys speech today sounded like he got his info from the show:jump:

Interesting

Interesting

More proof the Dems are in the tank with Wall Streef
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rumney finally showed his true colors...

The republican Limbo how low can you go!! Trumps comment to Rubio about his hand size started by some spy Magazine some 30 years ago

"Look at those hands, are they small hands?" the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination said, raising them for viewers to see. "And, he referred to my hands -- 'if they're small, something else must be small.' I guarantee you there's no problem. I guarantee."

And some think the current POTUS is an embarrassment ... And trump will be an Improvement if elected ? thats some serious mental gymnastics...

ahhhh the feigned indignation......the left has been quite content with a growing coarsened culture and proudly responsible for it(at least the parts that they condone and deem acceptable depending on who you are and how you think)) for quite a long time and Trump is thriving in that culture beating the left with their own club.....we were told that Bill Clinton could be a complete dirt bag in his personal life and even at the OFFICE (and he demonstrated that he was)...a prolific liar married to a congenital liar(and they've demonstrated that they are)...yet still be an effective President/co-President and now presumptive President(everybody lies, what's the big deal?).... we were told that all of Obama's radical associations didn't matter...the same folks upset that Trump wasn't aware of David Duke defended Obama when he said he sat in Rev Wright's church for years and never heard anything he said or his many comments attacking those he didn't care for.....sooooooo.....it's the left that has lowered the bar nearly to the ground and Trump is crawling on his belly and he's coming to get you....:shocked:.....if Trump is elected and proceeds to run wild over Congress, the SC and the States....the left has only themselves to slap in the face as they've condoned and defended the expansion of executive power....you reap what you sow....Trump thrives in the culture the left has created which must be befuddling...


if Biden was running and made this comment in a debate...we'd be told it was funny(and it was)...probably brilliant(debatable) ....and that...it's just "Joe being Joe"

if Biden was running and made this comment in a debate...we'd be told it was funny(and it was)...probably brilliant(debatable) ....and that...it's just "Joe being Joe"

True. But we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. That was the least dignified debate, in a series of undignified debates. I am no longer a Rubio supporter. I'll vote for him over Hilary, but I won't support him in a primary. I think he's too young, and the last 7 years have shown us what happens when you elect a neophyte.

It was embarrassing, cringeworthy, pathetic.

True. But we should hold ourselves to a higher standard. That was the least dignified debate, in a series of undignified debates. I am no longer a Rubio supporter. I'll vote for him over Hilary, but I won't support him in a primary. I think he's too young, and the last 7 years have shown us what happens when you elect a neophyte.

It was embarrassing, cringeworthy, pathetic.

don't disagree with that....just pointing out that the folks acting most offended are being a little hypocritical.....the same folks are always calling for red meat when the repub debates are milquetoast



“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

"The comment drew some laughs and applause."

True. But we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.


Haven't you called the President of the US a POS and Hillary the FCOTUS?

Didn't Doozer use the name of a slave in Gone with the Wind in reference to President Obama?
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That is a valid observation
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don't disagree with that....just pointing out that the folks acting most offended are being a little hypocritical.....the same folks are always calling for red meat when the repub debates are milquetoast



“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

"The comment drew some laughs and applause."
Gumby can't stretch as far as you seem to be able.

Haven't you called the President of the US a POS and Hillary the FCOTUS?


The FCOTUS remark is really, really, really offensive.

The FCOTUS remark is really, really, really offensive.

Just think,Bill will be the FCOTUS in 8 months.:scream:

Gumby can't stretch as far as you seem to be able.

I know right...well, when Trump goes to an upcoming rally and tell his audience to punish his/their "enemies" and questions the "American values" of those that disagree with him.....I'm sure you won't be too offended.....:jester:



‘We’re going to punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us,’ if they don’t see that kind of upsurge in voting in this election, then I think it’s going to be harder and that’s why I think it’s so important that people focus on voting on November 2.”

Referring specifically to Republicans such as Senator John McCain, who formerly supported an overhual but now are stressing border security and supporting strict immigration laws like Arizona’s anti-illegal immigration measure, Mr. Obama said, “Those aren’t the kinds of folks who represent our core American values.”


funny how these "core American values" that o, hill, bernie and co. claim to have.... demand that we become more like Europe


heheheh

The trump Phenomenon what is It? there is no tangible plan no numbers no policy stances.. it's Just a campaign and speeches filled with clichés and his 1 liners
I will build a great, great wall on our southern border," Trump said. "And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."


"Our country is in serious trouble," he said. "We don't have victories anymore. We used to have victories, but we don't have them.
our real unemployment is anywhere from 18% to 20%. Don't believe the 5.6%. Don't believe it


I have so many websites I have all over the place. I hire people, they do a website, It'll cost me $3," he said.

Trump also said the president's healthcare legislation should be repealed and "replaced with something much better for everybody ... and much less expensive.


"Rebuild the country's infrastructure; nobody can do that like me, believe me," he said. "It will be done on time, on budget, way below costs, way below what anyone ever thought

Its endless And I understand its the primaries and there are never a lot of details from the field .. but how will Trump he square the circle of his idea's...

there's going to be a lot of sad trump voters next year.
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Well, how happy are the Bernie voters Nebe?
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I think most Bernie voters are happy. Bernie is gaining momentum
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I think most Bernie voters are happy. Bernie is gaining momentum
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He's going to have to do well in some big states Tuesday or I don't think he has a chance. Wait, I don't think that really matters either.

Mm hmmmm
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Haven't you called the President of the US a POS and Hillary the FCOTUS?

Didn't Doozer use the name of a slave in Gone with the Wind in reference to President Obama?
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"Haven't you called the President of the US a POS and Hillary the FCOTUS?"

Of course, guilty as charged. But, where Trump's...ahem...anatomy... is irrelavent to his qualifications to be POTUS, the utter lack of ethics on display by Weird Harold and Hilary are clearly applicable in any discussion as to whether or not they are fit to be POTUS (or FCOTUS, as the case may be). And I wouldn't use that language in a televised debate. That whole thing over Trump's hands was offensive and pathetic.

"Didn't Doozer use the name of a slave in Gone with the Wind in reference to President Obama?"

Who, Mammy? Or the skinny one? "I don't know nothin' about bein' no POTUS". Clearly, sir. Clearly...

don't disagree with that....just pointing out that the folks acting most offended are being a little hypocritical.....the same folks are always calling for red meat when the repub debates are milquetoast


“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

"The comment drew some laughs and applause."

Yet when Palin mentions "battleground states", she is condemned as calling for bloodshed.

Agreed!

Yes, we know they are a bunch of hypocrites, we just don't need to make it so easy for them...

The FCOTUS remark is really, really, really offensive.

Is it more offensive to you, or less offensive to you, than the fact that Hilary denied that Bill cheated on her, blamed the GOP for framing him, and then she attacked the character of her husband's victims? And then she lied about the sniper attack, and then lied about why she lied about it. Which is worse?

It wasn't intended as a compliment, Spence. I'm too old to have the inclinatin to make fake-nice with peopel who slander everyone on my side. She claims the GOP framed her husband to make it look like he cheated, and that's not any kind of character flaw?

I just realized this morning while listening to WEEI talk about Donald and his boast of "many, many club championships"......who Trump is....

he's Rodney Dangerfield from Caddy Shack and Back to School

Yes he is

I just realized this morning while listening to WEEI talk about Donald and his boast of "many, many club championships"......who Trump is....

he's Rodney Dangerfield from Caddy Shack and Back to School

His character in Back To School, is one of the most likeable characters in the history of film.

His character in Back To School, is one of the most likeable characters in the history of film.

and he was brash, rude and kinda nuts....poking the establishment :huh:

I just realized this morning while listening to WEEI talk about Donald and his boast of "many, many club championships"......who Trump is....

he's Rodney Dangerfield from Caddy Shack and Back to School
And he still gets no respect.
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And he still gets no respect.
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Bernie Going ....going
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and he was brash, rude and kinda nuts....poking the establishment :huh:

For some reason, I liked Thorton Melon a LOT more than I like Trump.

"I'll tell you want, give me 4 of these sweatshirts, 6 of these college penants, some of those pop-poms, 4 of these beer mugs, 8 of these, 10 o fthose, and...I'll tell you what, averyone, it's on me! Shekespeare for everyone. You to honey, whoa, I'd like to tame your shrew"

haaaaaaaaaaa....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haaaaaaa aaa

NYT...Trump's Strongest Supporters = DEMOCRATS

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/donald-trumps-strongest-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html?_r=0

haaaaaaaaaaa....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haaaaaaa aaa

NYT...Trump's Strongest Supporters = DEMOCRATS

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/donald-trumps-strongest-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html?_r=0

Actually...

He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated and less likely to turn out to vote. His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats. It’s a coalition that’s concentrated in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North, according to data provided to The Upshot by Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm.

Sounds like his "very best" voters are so uneducated they couldn't figure out how to change their party affiliation.

This is a big problem for Trump, come election day the traditional conservative base is just going to stay home.

haaaaaaaaaaa....haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...haaaaaaa aaa

NYT...Trump's Strongest Supporters = DEMOCRATS

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/donald-trumps-strongest-supporters-a-certain-kind-of-democrat.html?_r=0

white trash rednecks can be republican and democrat, yes. :1poke:

Actually...



Sounds like his "very best" voters are so uneducated they couldn't figure out how to change their party affiliation.

This is a big problem for Trump, come election day the traditional conservative base is just going to stay home.

But I bet they could manage providing an ID if required .
I think the Democrats have a bigger problem . But that's just an uneducated guess .
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white trash rednecks can be republican and democrat, yes. :1poke:

Words from a true racist .
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Actually...

Quote:
He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated and less likely to turn out to vote. His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats. It’s a coalition that’s concentrated in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North, according to data provided to The Upshot by Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm.

Sounds like his "very best" voters are so uneducated they couldn't figure out how to change their party affiliation.

This is a big problem for Trump, come election day the traditional conservative base is just going to stay home.

actually sounds like the author's very desperate attempt to esplain' all of the democrat voters favoring racist, sexist, bigot Trump....the idea that there might be all of these folks that identify as republican but register as democrats so they can vote for Trump, or maybe vote against the criminal and the commie doesn't really make much sense...pretty laughable

the "traditional conservative base" just lived through 8 years of Obama....you can guarantee they will not be sitting out on election day...even if Trump is the nominee

actually sounds like the author's very desperate attempt to esplain' all of the democrat voters favoring racist, sexist, bigot Trump....
The author refers to them as self described Republicans. Perhaps they really are racist, sexist bigots who are self describing as Republicans because they don't think that behavior is compatible with the Democratic party.

The author refers to them as self described Republicans. Perhaps they really are racist, sexist bigots who are self describing as Republicans because they don't think that behavior is compatible with the Democratic party.

right...keep telling yourself that

The grand old party sure is looking good these days.
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The grand old party sure is looking good these days.
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It's pretty pathetic, the party that can't control Trump steaks and Trump wine thinks it can do a better job than the Democrats who are fronting two credible candidates.

the Democrats who are fronting two credible candidates.

yup....you've lost your mind :rolleyes:

I can say with 100% certainty that a democrat is going to make a huge win out of this election.
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I can say with 100% certainty that a democrat is going to make a huge win out of this election.
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100% is a bit out there. I'd go 93.2%

100%
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I can say with 100% certainty that a democrat is going to make a huge win out of this election.
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oh good, then all of the idiots that keep going to rallies for people that they hate with the intention of being disruptive, should rather attend the rallies of either the criminal of communist and support them in a positive way so as to get them easily elected over the racist, bigot something or other and no one will get arrested or beat up...that would be "peaceful assembly" <<<<ACTUALLY AN ENUMERATED RIGHT

because right now there's no one showing up at bernie and hill rallies/primaries and everyone is at the Trump rally and he's not even giving away free stuff :jump:

hell, Spence is counting on conservatives staying home in the general in order to elect a dem which is hilarious

hell, Spence is counting on conservatives staying home in the general in order to elect a dem which is hilarious
Trump will absolutely suppress some of the conservative electorate.

Trump will absolutely suppress some of the conservative electorate.

not when the alternative(s) may be worse and with all the leftists promising to relocate to the socialist paradise of their choosing if Trump is actually elected...there's plenty of motivation to grab the ole' identification and go cast a ballot

not when the alternative(s) may be worse and with all the leftists promising to relocate to the socialist paradise of their choosing if Trump is actually elected...there's plenty of motivation to grab the ole' identification and go cast a ballot
I think you're talking about 3 votes.

He has no policy, no ground infrastructure and has offended millions of Americans.