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Jim in CT
03-12-2016, 03:08 PM
More of that liberal tolerance. I watched the NBC coverage, they interviewed several protesters, none were asked why Trump doesn't have the right to speak.

Yet Al Sharpton, who has literally caused people to me murdered at his rallies, gets his own cable show. But Trump can't have the mike.

I said it before, I'll say it again...when was the last time a liberal speaker had to cancel a speech because of conservative rioting? Answer - it doesn't happen.

And they still claim to have a monopoly on tolerance. I don't get it. They're so full of sh*t.

spence
03-12-2016, 03:15 PM
Jim, the "self described Republicans" at Trump's events are attacking protesters, threatening to kill them...Trump himself has advocated violence even saying he'd pay your legal costs if you did.

I think your anger is misplaced. You have Trump on one shoulder and Clinton on the other and it's frustrating and confusing you. I'm here if you need to talk.

scottw
03-12-2016, 03:19 PM
sounds like registered democrats keep showing up at the wrong rallies and acting like a-holes and getting thrown out :scream:

wdmso
03-12-2016, 03:33 PM
Seems the right is not used to the left being that vocal and in your face

The right dont seem to mind it when it works for them . when it's used against them oh the outrage :spin:

Jim in CT
03-12-2016, 03:46 PM
Jim, the "self described Republicans" at Trump's events are attacking protesters, threatening to kill them...Trump himself has advocated violence even saying he'd pay your legal costs if you did.

I think your anger is misplaced. You have Trump on one shoulder and Clinton on the other and it's frustrating and confusing you. I'm here if you need to talk.

Why hasn't he been arrested? And how is that worse than what Sharpton does? How many people have been stabbed to death, or burned alive, at Trump rallies? Sharpton''s body count is 6 or 7...

I don't like trump. The first amendment applies to him, though...

Jim in CT
03-12-2016, 03:47 PM
The right dont seem to mind it when it works for them . when it's used against them oh the outrage :spin:

"The right dont seem to mind it when it works for them "

Please, name one time when conservatives rioted to prevent a liberal speaker from talking. Or admit you made that up?

It's a 1-way street, friend.

scottw
03-12-2016, 03:49 PM
I can understand the outrage...

they're thinking..."eight years of supporting hope and change and all I got was this crappy OBAMA phone"

buckman
03-12-2016, 04:19 PM
Pure hypocracy . The only reason the "protesters" are there is to create havoc and draw Trump supporters into a fight .
Still don't know what Black Lives Matter wants . Help me out
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spence
03-12-2016, 04:26 PM
Pure hypocracy . The only reason the "protesters" are there is to create havoc and draw Trump supporters into a fight .
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Has a single protester started a fight? Perhaps they're really motivated by a profane demagogue they see bringing out the worst of Americans.

scottw
03-12-2016, 04:33 PM
Pure hypocracy . The only reason the "protesters" are there is to create havoc and draw Trump supporters into a fight .
Still don't know what Black Lives Matter wants . Help me out
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one of the great mysteries of modern liberalism......"idiot liberal shows up at a rally for someone they hate planning be disruptive and act in ways that will get them removed and probably on the news and when they succeed in being removed they complain that they were removed ( because they expected what??? a cake???) and probably mistreated"....love it :humpty:

Nebe
03-12-2016, 04:34 PM
Pure hypocracy . The only reason the "protesters" are there is to create havoc and draw Trump supporters into a fight .
Still don't know what Black Lives Matter wants . Help me out
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Oh I dunno. Maybe they want to make sure a racist biggot hate monger doesn't become president. Seems like a logical adenda, no?
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Jim in CT
03-12-2016, 07:32 PM
Oh I dunno. Maybe they want to make sure a racist biggot hate monger doesn't become president. Seems like a logical adenda, no?
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Trump has the right to speak, Nebe. Read the Constitution. Al Sharpton has his own TV show, I don't see whites storming the MSNBC studio. That's the difference between the right and the left in this country today.

If thy don't want him to be President, they don't have to vote for him.

spence
03-12-2016, 07:35 PM
Trump has the right to speak, Nebe. Read the Constitution. Al Sharpton has his own TV show, I don't see whites storming the MSNBC studio. That's the difference between the right and the left in this country today.

If thy don't want him to be President, they don't have to vote for him.
Every contender Repub or Dem has protesters. Trump is the only one showcasing blood at his events...In your lifetime can you recall anything similar?

scottw
03-12-2016, 07:38 PM
Every contender Repub or Dem has protesters. Trump is the only one showcasing blood at his events...In your lifetime can you recall anything similar?

that's just dumb

Jim in CT
03-12-2016, 08:17 PM
Every contender Repub or Dem has protesters. Trump is the only one showcasing blood at his events...In your lifetime can you recall anything similar?

So for the second time, please give us an example of when any liberal speaker had to cancel an event, because of conservative rioters.

We notice that you have a REALLY hard time answering direct questions.

But aain, I'll answer yours...Al Sharpton ran for President. How many of his speeches were cancelled because of conservative riots? Answer...zero.

In one of her first interviews after announcing her run, Hilary was asked who her enemies were. She mentioned ISIS and Republicans in the same sentence. Hilary consistently divides us on racial lines, ethnic lines, gender lines, and economic lines. It's all she does. That's what one does when one has no good ideas, and cannot debate the merits of the issues with the other side.


Again, please tell me when conservative rioters resulted in liberal speakers having to cancel their event. You can't. It happens ALL THE TIME to conservatives. Why can't you admit the truth?

Slipknot
03-12-2016, 10:09 PM
Oh I dunno. Maybe they want to make sure a racist biggot hate monger doesn't become president. Seems like a logical adenda, no?
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But the racist big got hate monger is already president so your point is flawed
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Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 06:13 AM
But the racist big got hate monger is already president so your point is flawed
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Correct. Absolutely correct. And our POTUS allows another racist hatemonger (Sharpton)to come to the White House more often than the tour guides. Do conservatives riot when Al Sharpton gives a speech?

# of people murdered by Trump supporters after his speeches = 0.

# of people murdered by Sharpton supporters after his speeches = 7.

How do liberals react to that math? (1) They won't let Trump talk, and (2) they give Sharpton his own TV show on a cable news network.

Spence and WDMSO, come out from hiding under your desks, and tell me when any liberal speaker has had to cancel an event and flee under police protection, because the conservatives were rioting.

scottw
03-13-2016, 06:26 AM
based on what we're being told about Trump supporters we can probably expect Trump goon squads to invade Bernie and Hillary rallies going forward with the intention of shutting them down and causing all sorts of havoc....just like the incredibly violent Tea Party rallies back in the day....:rotflmao:

ecduzitgood
03-13-2016, 06:39 AM
With Hillary having a slogan "fighting for us" and with the protesters yelling for Bernie makes me think Hillary is behind the violence to take both Trump and Bernie down.
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wdmso
03-13-2016, 08:31 AM
"The right dont seem to mind it when it works for them "

Please, name one time when conservatives rioted to prevent a liberal speaker from talking. Or admit you made that up?

It's a 1-way street, friend.

who rioted? direct from trumps mouth “You’ll notice it’s singles,” he said, referring to the protesters. “It adds up to like four people, but they make a big deal — the riots, the riots. There are no riots.” supporters got into it with non trump supporters

You do know Trump supporters have assaulted many hecklers At his events you tube is filled with examples

Free speech is a 2 way street He choose to cancel his event his voice was not silenced or his Right to speak his venue was denied

All these clips are conservatives are using violence to silence the Speech of others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAg9p48lgSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YBt_6HfbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF810x88YS0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvtqYeEms_0


Bill clinton answer to a Vet at a rally protesting benghazi libya he was escorted out with out violence



As the alleged Marine continued to shout over the crowd, the former president repeatedly asked to be allowed to respond, but was unable to get a word in.

“I’m not your Commander in Chief anymore, but if I was I’d tell you to be more polite,” Mr. Clinton said during a brief pause in the shouting.

As security guards began to escort the shouting man from the room Mr. Clinton again attempted to address him saying “Don’t throw him out. If you shut up and listen, then I’ll answer it.”

And the right loved this guy he was a hero on conservative websites and the news cycle ... funny how that works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXypM__frpI

buckman
03-13-2016, 08:35 AM
We now know who the piece of crap was that attacked Trump . Look it up and defend this guy , I dare you .
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wdmso
03-13-2016, 08:42 AM
Correct. Absolutely correct. And our POTUS allows another racist hatemonger (Sharpton)to come to the White House more often than the tour guides. Do conservatives riot when Al Sharpton gives a speech?

# of people murdered by Trump supporters after his speeches = 0.

# of people murdered by Sharpton supporters after his speeches = 7.

How do liberals react to that math? (1) They won't let Trump talk, and (2) they give Sharpton his own TV show on a cable news network.

Spence and WDMSO, come out from hiding under your desks, and tell me when any liberal speaker has had to cancel an event and flee under police protection, because the conservatives were rioting.

funny the event was canceled before there was any issues They never got that chance. Just after 6:30 p.m. on Friday, a Trump official appeared on stage and abruptly told the crowd that the event was off. Trump would not be appearing. The crowd was shocked; the protesters spontaneously erupted in cheers. The official cited “safety” concerns, though both Chicago law enforcement and university police said they had reported none.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/donald-

Wow can you 2 be any more afraid of Black people you guys sure have different definitions of the same behavior based on the Color of ones skin

Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; 3 are stabbed and 13 arrested you guys call this a rally

a few hundred people some white some black in Chicago you call it a Riot :fence:

wdmso
03-13-2016, 08:55 AM
We now know who the piece of crap was that attacked Trump . Look it up and defend this guy , I dare you .
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why not just tell us who he is and what he did to deserve getting assaulted ?

And reguardless of sides if you throw the 1st punch you own what comes next .. running ones mouth doesn't = OK you Can ASSAULT them

I double dog dare you:hee:

scottw
03-13-2016, 08:56 AM
Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; 3 are stabbed and 13 arrested you guys call this a rally



you should read the details of the KKK rally in Cali....the handful( 6 apparently)KKK members that exist in California showed up to have a "rally" in a single vehicle....a crowd of anti KKK folks were there hours before they arrived protesting....when the KKK morons arrived, the protesters descended on them and some(3) of the KKK morons were beaten up


"Mayhem ensued Saturday as soon as six Klan members pulled up in a black SUV for the rally they had advertised and pulled out signs saying "White Lives Matter."

Dozens of protesters swarmed in and someone smashed a window. The vehicle then sped away, leaving three Klansmen dressed in black shirts decorated with the Klan cross and Confederate flag patches outnumbered.

Police said one Klansmen carrying an American flag stabbed a protester with the bald eagle decorating the end of his pole. Counter-protesters, meanwhile, could be seen stomping on the other two. By the end of the melee, three people had been stabbed, one critically, and a dozen others arrested.

"(The counter-protesters) were so angry, they would have torn these folks limb from limb," said Brian Levin, who directs the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. "I was afraid for their lives.""

Levin, who came to Pearson Park expecting to record the rally for research, found himself protecting the Klansmen until police could intervene. On a video Levin shot and posted to Twitter, he later asked one of them, "How do you feel that a Jewish person helped save your life today?"

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 09:10 AM
who rioted? direct from trumps mouth “You’ll notice it’s singles,” he said, referring to the protesters. “It adds up to like four people, but they make a big deal — the riots, the riots. There are no riots.” supporters got into it with non trump supporters

You do know Trump supporters have assaulted many hecklers At his events you tube is filled with examples

Free speech is a 2 way street He choose to cancel his event his voice was not silenced or his Right to speak his venue was denied

All these clips are conservatives are using violence to silence the Speech of others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAg9p48lgSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0YBt_6HfbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF810x88YS0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvtqYeEms_0


Bill clinton answer to a Vet at a rally protesting benghazi libya he was escorted out with out violence



As the alleged Marine continued to shout over the crowd, the former president repeatedly asked to be allowed to respond, but was unable to get a word in.

“I’m not your Commander in Chief anymore, but if I was I’d tell you to be more polite,” Mr. Clinton said during a brief pause in the shouting.

As security guards began to escort the shouting man from the room Mr. Clinton again attempted to address him saying “Don’t throw him out. If you shut up and listen, then I’ll answer it.”

And the right loved this guy he was a hero on conservative websites and the news cycle ... funny how that works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXypM__frpI

"“It adds up to like four people"

4 people? Sorry, I watched the coverage.


"You do know Trump supporters have assaulted many hecklers At his events you tube is filled with examples "

I do know that. I also know that 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events. So tell me please, why do liberals feel that (1) Sharpton deserves his own show, yet (2) Trump isn't allowed to speak.

I await your thoughtful response to that. Good luck.

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 09:13 AM
WDMSO - 4 people?? Let me know when you want to talk like an adult.

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 09:15 AM
WDMSO and Spence -

I didn't ask if there are any Trump supporters who ae jerks (I concede there re many). I asked this - when was the last time a liberal speaker had to cancel an event, because of conservative anarchists? Why can't you answer? Here's a tip...if you are so confounded by such a simple question, it means you lose.

spence
03-13-2016, 09:48 AM
WDMSO and Spence -

I didn't ask if there are any Trump supporters who ae jerks (I concede there re many). I asked this - when was the last time a liberal speaker had to cancel an event, because of conservative anarchists? Why can't you answer? Here's a tip...if you are so confounded by such a simple question, it means you lose.

Funny, I went to this thing called google...typed in a few keywords and the first item was...

After death threats, feminist speaker has to cancel talk because of Utah’s concealed carry laws

Took like 3 seconds, you should try it sometime.

scottw
03-13-2016, 10:12 AM
Funny, I went to this thing called google...typed in a few keywords and the first item was...



Took like 3 seconds, you should try it sometime.

ummmmmmm..... "Her vocal criticism about the misogynistic representation of women in video games has invited more than its fair share of hate from defensive gamers and Internet trollers."

apples and oranges

buckman
03-13-2016, 10:26 AM
why not just tell us who he is and what he did to deserve getting assaulted ?

And reguardless of sides if you throw the 1st punch you own what comes next .. running ones mouth doesn't = OK you Can ASSAULT them

I double dog dare you:hee:

Since you apparently know nothing of the attack , otherwise you would know the secret service grabbed him, nobody from the rally did anything to him , then I suggest you do a bit of research .

At least we are on the same page that if you throw a punch first you deserve a beat down , but I'll go one better , if you get in someone's face and taunt them, you get what's coming also .
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spence
03-13-2016, 10:34 AM
ummmmmmm..... "Her vocal criticism about the misogynistic representation of women in video games has invited more than its fair share of hate from defensive gamers and Internet trollers."

apples and oranges
Yes, because the liberal gamers are all about misogyny and packing heat.

wdmso
03-13-2016, 10:53 AM
"“It adds up to like four people"

4 people? Sorry, I watched the coverage.


"You do know Trump supporters have assaulted many hecklers At his events you tube is filled with examples "

I do know that. I also know that 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events. So tell me please, why do liberals feel that (1) Sharpton deserves his own show, yet (2) Trump isn't allowed to speak.

I await your thoughtful response to that. Good luck.

funny a google search shows nothing about your claim 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events

and if really think its only been 4 people assaulted because I only posted 4 links
your head in very deep in the sand .. denial is not very adult like

scottw
03-13-2016, 11:13 AM
Yes, because the liberal gamers are all about misogyny and packing heat.

have you seen what comes out of hollywood??....rap music??....pop culture??...etc....the answer is probably yes :humpty:

Nebe
03-13-2016, 12:45 PM
have you seen what comes out of hollywood??....rap music??....pop culture??...etc....the answer is probably yes :humpty:

All funded by conservatives who have invested in the private prison system. :rtfm:
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Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 01:10 PM
funny a google search shows nothing about your claim 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events

and if really think its only been 4 people assaulted because I only posted 4 links
your head in very deep in the sand .. denial is not very adult like

"funny a google search shows nothing about your claim 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events"

Wow, I guess you caught me in a lie.

Wait, you didn't. Read #6 and 7.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sharpton-fines-racism-taxes/2014/12/09/id/612015/

"and if really think its only been 4 people assaulted because I only posted 4 links "

But zero deaths. But Sharpton gets a TV show on a liberal network. And Trump (who has caused zero deaths) isn't allowed to speak.

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 01:11 PM
Yes, because the liberal gamers are all about misogyny and packing heat.

Oh, please enlighten me...other than your bullsh*t dogma, what's the evidence that conservative ideology is sexist?

spence
03-13-2016, 01:46 PM
Oh, please enlighten me...other than your bullsh*t dogma, what's the evidence that conservative ideology is sexist?
This is the problem Jim, you seem to think there's one conservative ideology. People who self describe as conservatives can have wildly different beliefs.

Nebe
03-13-2016, 02:13 PM
Same goes for liberals.
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detbuch
03-13-2016, 02:20 PM
Same goes for liberals.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. Spence's sarcastic reply "Yes, because the liberal gamers are all about misogyny and packing heat" is actually true of some liberals as well. And, his highly subjective and verbally slanted verbiage does not really apply to most conservatives. Which invalidates his attempt to cast the gamers as conservatives. By his description it could be either some self described liberals or some self described conservatives. But it is not really characteristic of the majority of either.

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 03:30 PM
All funded by conservatives who have invested in the private prison system. :rtfm:
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Hollywood is conservative??

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 03:31 PM
This is the problem Jim, you seem to think there's one conservative ideology. People who self describe as conservatives can have wildly different beliefs.

hy did you paint us with the mysoginy label? I was responding to you. You make a generalization, I point out that you are full of crap, then you say generalizations are wrong, or something...

buckman
03-13-2016, 03:35 PM
Hollywood is conservative??

Reality never gets in the way of a liberal argument .
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Nebe
03-13-2016, 04:16 PM
Remember the days of black exploitation movies?

But to directly answer Jim, no it's not. But do the research on the record industry and private prisons. It will make your head spin.
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wdmso
03-13-2016, 05:29 PM
"funny a google search shows nothing about your claim 7 people have been murdered by Sharpton supporters at Sharpton events"

Wow, I guess you caught me in a lie.

Wait, you didn't. Read #6 and 7.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/sharpton-fines-racism-taxes/2014/12/09/id/612015/

"and if really think its only been 4 people assaulted because I only posted 4 links "

But zero deaths. But Sharpton gets a TV show on a liberal network. And Trump (who has caused zero deaths) isn't allowed to speak.

Wow that's some mental gymnastics he speaks and weeks or months later someone resorts to arson and kill. 7 no fan of Al but show me where he suggested to kill or assault anyone

TRUMP on the other hand has expressed his williness to assault others and these assaults happen during his events not weeks or months later


Al sharpton and Donald trump both classless self promoting A Holes
If you closed your eyes you couldn't tell them apart

Jim in CT
03-13-2016, 06:06 PM
Wow that's some mental gymnastics he speaks and weeks or months later someone resorts to arson and kill. 7 no fan of Al but show me where he suggested to kill or assault anyone

TRUMP on the other hand has expressed his williness to assault others and these assaults happen during his events not weeks or months later


Al sharpton and Donald trump both classless self promoting A Holes
If you closed your eyes you couldn't tell them apart

"he speaks and weeks or months later someone resorts to arson and kill. 7"

If the guy was inspired by Sharpton, he was inspired by Sharpton. And I see you completely skipped the one where Sharpton got the crowd good and crazy, and one of them found the nearest white guy, and stabbed him to death.

"no fan of Al but show me where he suggested to kill or assault anyone "

He doesn't use those words, the facts show he doesn't have to.

"Al sharpton and Donald trump both classless self promoting A Holes"

Agreed. So tell me, why do liberals give Sharpton his own show, but those same idiots don't feel Trump has the sane right to spew garbage? That's the hypocrisy that as led to Trump's rise.

JohnR
03-13-2016, 09:07 PM
Jim

I have two source rules, one is don't quote Newsmax for news and don't quote OccupyDemocrats for any chase of reality.

Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 06:12 AM
Jim

I have two source rules, one is don't quote Newsmax for news and don't quote OccupyDemocrats for any chase of reality.

OK...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton#Crown_Heights_riot

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/flashback-sharpton-incites-racial-violence-freddies-fashion-mart-massacre

buckman
03-14-2016, 06:51 AM
I will have to say I find it ironic and hilarious that Hillary Clinton stated Donald Trump should be held responsible for the violence at his rallies.
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wdmso
03-14-2016, 07:26 AM
Men its very simple when one makes statements at his events such as

"I love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out in a stretcher, folks," Trump had said of one protester. Then: "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."

He also said that the young man who was sucker-punched in North Carolina had been "taunting," "loud" and "disruptive," and was holding up his middle finger — "a terrible thing to do."

And even his fellow Republicans see whats going on or are they just being liberals and being politically correct

America is better than this. We don't have to tear each other apart," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said. "When you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."


Kasich said during a stop in Cincinnati that there's "no place for a national leader to prey on the fears of people."


This is going down a road the United States has never traveled but it has the potential change this country overnight .. for the good or the bad we'll have to wait and see

spence
03-14-2016, 07:56 AM
I will have to say I find it ironic and hilarious that Hillary Clinton stated Donald Trump should be held responsible for the violence at his rallies.
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It's crazy right? You yell fire and everyone runs out of the theater. Who would have thought?

buckman
03-14-2016, 07:58 AM
Men its very simple when one makes statements at his events such as

"I love the old days, you know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out in a stretcher, folks," Trump had said of one protester. Then: "I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."

He also said that the young man who was sucker-punched in North Carolina had been "taunting," "loud" and "disruptive," and was holding up his middle finger — "a terrible thing to do."

And even his fellow Republicans see whats going on or are they just being liberals and being politically correct

America is better than this. We don't have to tear each other apart," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said. "When you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse."


Kasich said during a stop in Cincinnati that there's "no place for a national leader to prey on the fears of people."


This is going down a road the United States has never traveled but it has the potential change this country overnight .. for the good or the bad we'll have to wait and see

I partially agree but it didn't start with Trump as this has been escalating over the past 8 years and President Obama has been fanning the flames .
Read Kasicj's quote again .
When violent agitators are deliberately sent in a violent response is predictable if not expected , even hoped for . I believe you are one of this hoping .
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PaulS
03-14-2016, 08:13 AM
At least we are on the same page that if you throw a punch first you deserve a beat down , but I'll go one better , if you get in someone's face and taunt them, you get what's coming also .
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Sort of like calling someone a Muslim when they aren't and saying they weren't born in the US, right?

PaulS
03-14-2016, 08:14 AM
But the racist big got hate monger is already president so your point is flawed
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oh no, wait until Kevin sees this post.

spence
03-14-2016, 08:49 AM
I partially agree but it didn't start with Trump as this has been escalating over the past 8 years and President Obama has been fanning the flames .
Read Kasicj's quote again .
When violent agitators are deliberately sent in a violent response is predictable if not expected , even hoped for . I believe you are one of this hoping .
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I love statements that seem to imply all our issues are less than 8 years old.

buckman
03-14-2016, 08:56 AM
I love statements that seem to imply all our issues are less than 8 years old.

Are you having a comprehension problem ?
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buckman
03-14-2016, 08:57 AM
Sort of like calling someone a Muslim when they aren't and saying they weren't born in the US, right?

No
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Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 08:57 AM
I love statements that seem to imply all our issues are less than 8 years old.

Spence, we weren't this divided when Bush was President, not even close. The seeds were planted during his term, specifically, when the public opinion turned against the Iraq War, at which time all the Dems that voted for it, were suddenly saying that it was evil and immoral (that's having the courage of your convictions).

We have never been as divided as we are now. If Trump gets elected, it could definitely get worse, as he's more polarizing, and in a more combustable way, than Obama.

Obama's divisiveness is a huge reason for Trumps popularity. For 8 years, Obama has been saying that people like me are racist, uncaring hatemongers. Despite what he says, and therefore despite what you certainly believe, it's not remotely true. We're tired of it, and it's very easy for me to understand why the masses are rallying around the one guy they think will punch back. For some reason, it's noble and admiranble when Obama hits below the belt (we're all bitter clingers, all we do is "hate all the time"), but when trump does it, he gets called out for it. Trump is more vulgar about it.

Sharpton is at least as bad as Trump (worse, if your measure is body count), and Obama invites him to the Oval Office 90 times? Care to explain that?

buckman
03-14-2016, 08:59 AM
It's crazy right? You yell fire and everyone runs out of the theater. Who would have thought?

That's a stretch
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Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 09:58 AM
It's crazy right? You yell fire and everyone runs out of the theater. Who would have thought?

Kind of like repeating over and over that "white cops are the problem", you can't then be surprised when white cops subsequently get assassinated.

I don't know who yelled "fire", but I do know who is endlessly blaming cops (Sharpton), and I know that Sharpton still spends more time in the Oval Office than the tour guides. And why shouldn't we all be appalled by that?

spence
03-14-2016, 10:45 AM
Sharpton is at least as bad as Trump (worse, if your measure is body count), and Obama invites him to the Oval Office 90 times? Care to explain that?
Sure, it's not true.

Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 10:53 AM
Sure, it's not true.

Just to be clear, which part isn't true? That Sharpton is loathsome? Or that he has been invited to the White House many times?

spence
03-14-2016, 11:44 AM
Just to be clear, which part isn't true? That Sharpton is loathsome? Or that he has been invited to the White House many times?

You said Sharpton has been invited to the Oval Office 90 times, it's not true...

Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 11:55 AM
You said Sharpton has been invited to the Oval Office 90 times, it's not true...

According to factcheck, he has been to the White House (which granted, is not the same as being invited to the Oval Office) at least 72 times as of December 2014.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/30/giulianis-claim-the-white-house-invited-al-sharpton-up-to-85-times/


(1) Is Sharpton objectionable to you?

if so, (2) Does it bother you that Obama legitimizes Sharpton in this way?

Have fun!

He's a loathsome, racist, tax-cheating pig. Every candidate on your side feels the need to kiss his ring.

buckman
03-14-2016, 12:08 PM
I find it hypocritical that Trump can be blamed for inciting his supporters to physically attack protesters but the false rhetoric of his opposition ( The media, established politicians , Bernie and Hillary ) are not blamed for inciting the protesters .
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Nebe
03-14-2016, 12:09 PM
I'm sorry buck but show us where anyone that you just listed called for violence as trump has. You can't.
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detbuch
03-14-2016, 12:26 PM
I'm sorry buck but show us where anyone that you just listed called for violence as trump has. You can't.
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I don't think Trump has actually "called" for violence. He's jokingly made reference to it as a response to violence or disruption directed at him. Similar to Obama's "call" for his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight.

I would prefer not to be forced to vote for him, but if it's between him and Hillary, I won't just sit it out. I'll vote for him. I am politically opposed to what Hillary stands for. I don't really know what Trump stands for.

Hillary will have the full support of her party and its members in Congress and the Judges who already are in the progressive tank and those who will be when Congress approves her nominees.

Trump will have opposition in his own party and in the SCOTUS if he tries to be a dictatorial government control freak.

Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 12:34 PM
I don't think Trump has actually "called" for violence. He's jokingly made reference to it as a response to violence or disruption directed at him. Similar to Obama's "call" for his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight.

I would prefer not to be forced to vote for him, but if it's between him and Hillary, I won't just sit it out. I'll vote for him. I am politically opposed to what Hillary stands for. I don't really know what Trump stands for.

Hillary will have the full support of her party and its members in Congress and the Judges who already are in the progressive tank and those who will be when Congress approves her nominees.

Trump will have opposition in his own party and in the SCOTUS if he tries to be a dictatorial government control freak.

"He's jokingly made reference to it as a response to violence or disruption directed at him"

Correct. It's classic Trump, and precisely why many, me included, don't like him. Though, like you, I'll plug my nose and vote for him if he gets the nomination.

"Similar to Obama's "call" for his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight."

But when Obama does it, it's brilliant and eloquent. It's only crass when a conservative does it.

"Trump will have opposition in his own party and in the SCOTUS if he tries to be a dictatorial government control freak"

Thank God for checks and balances!

My fear is that if Trump is the nominee, he not only hands Hilary the White House, but he hands Congress back to the Dems (there are twice as many Republican Senate seats up for re-election, as Democrat, it's ripe for a Democrat takeover, House will be more likely stay with GOP).

scottw
03-14-2016, 12:37 PM
I don't think Trump has actually "called" for violence. He's jokingly made reference to it as a response to violence or disruption directed at him. Similar to Obama's "call" for his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight.



Obama also told his supporters to go out and get into peoples faces...punish their enemies...I'm sure there's more....Trump is truly the white Obama...(though he's probably more qualified to be President that BO, and an even better community organizer(agitator))... ...funny how some have a problem with that all of a sudden......

ecduzitgood
03-14-2016, 12:44 PM
"Fighting for us" is who's slogan?
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Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 12:52 PM
Trump is truly the white Obama.

Trump is 80% Obama, 20% Al Bundy.

Trump is a bit more crass and vulgar, but the tone is a LOT more Obama-esque, than you will ever hear the media admit.

scottw
03-14-2016, 12:56 PM
"For five days and nights in August 1968, demonstrators fought street battles with Chicago police and National Guard troops, a badly split Democratic Party struggled to pick a presidential nominee and a horrified nation watched it all on the nightly news."


....lot's of examples through the years...many involving feces being hurled......what's wrong with these leftys??? :hihi:

spence
03-14-2016, 01:13 PM
According to factcheck, he has been to the White House (which granted, is not the same as being invited to the Oval Office) at least 72 times as of December 2014.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/30/giulianis-claim-the-white-house-invited-al-sharpton-up-to-85-times/
Did you read your own article? It totally debunks your own allegation.

buckman
03-14-2016, 01:16 PM
I'm sorry buck but show us where anyone that you just listed called for violence as trump has. You can't.
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It's not that they call for violence but they knowingly target thier radical, historically violent and hate filled groups with thier false accusations .

If the maker of the video that according to Hillary and her state department could result in an all out assault in Benghazi and the death of four great Americans , then I'm sure you will see my point

If Trump is assassinated , a very real possibility , based on the historic violent and radical nature of the the groups that support Bernie, is Bernie responsible ?
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spence
03-14-2016, 01:18 PM
If Trump is assassinated , a very real possibility , based on the historic violent and radical nature of the the groups that support Bernie, is Bernie responsible ?
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I see you're parroting Trump's own nonsense now.

buckman
03-14-2016, 01:20 PM
I see you're parroting Trump's own nonsense now.

I never heard him say that . You don't have an intelligent response I see 😊
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The Dad Fisherman
03-14-2016, 02:21 PM
oh no, wait until Kevin sees this post.

As much as I don't really agree with that statement. I can tell you I am seriously disappointed, almost borderline disgusted, with the lack of leadership Obama has shown when it comes to racial issues in this country.

If MLK was alive 7 years ago he would have been brought to tears as his dream came to fruition with the election of a black man as president

If he was alive today he would have been brought to tears for how badly he has squandered that opportunity.
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Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 02:48 PM
Did you read your own article? It totally debunks your own allegation.

The article sa he has been to the White House at least 72 times, and that was as of 15 months ago.

Obama has admitted he brings him in to talk about race.

So I don't hitnk th earticle de-bunks anything I said, except possibly the exact count of the visits.

Who in their right mind, wants to hear ANYTHING that Sharpton has to say, on racial matters of all things? A President of the US, asking this guy's advice on race?

If you think he is to be called out for being a POS, you are a Republican, if you think he deserves to be respected and worshipped and legitimized, you are a Democrat. As usual, the air is a whole lot cleaner on my side.

Jim in CT
03-14-2016, 02:51 PM
As much as I don't really agree with that statement. I can tell you I am seriously disappointed, almost borderline disgusted, with the lack of leadership Obama has shown when it comes to racial issues in this country.

If MLK was alive 7 years ago he would have been brought to tears as his dream came to fruition with the election of a black man as president

If he was alive today he would have been brought to tears for how badly he has squandered that opportunity.
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We haven't been this divided in a long, long time. I know contribute to it as much as anyone. But there's no denying what you said.

MLK would have despised Rev Wright's "church", Obama sat there for 20 years, and only left when it was politically necessary for him to do so. MLK would have despised Bill Ayers' use of violence, yet Ayers was a political mentor to Obama.

spence
03-14-2016, 05:04 PM
I don't think Trump has actually "called" for violence. He's jokingly made reference to it as a response to violence or disruption directed at him. Similar to Obama's "call" for his supporters to bring a gun to a knife fight.

Can't believe you had a straight face when you typed that.

detbuch
03-14-2016, 05:12 PM
Can't believe you had a straight face when you typed that.

So what

scottw
03-15-2016, 01:21 AM
dems are funny...

from POLITICO- "Bill Clinton referred to Barack Obama as a Chicago thug during the 2008 presidential campaign. This after Clinton some years earlier had told Juanita Broaddrick, ‘Put some ice on that lip’ after she said he raped her.”

OBAMA’S VIOLENT RHETORIC

June 7, 2010 “Whose Ass To Kick”

June 13, 2008 “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama told the audience. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

March 30, 2009 “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry.”

August 8, 2009 “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”

February 28, 2009 “I know they [the special interests and lobbyists] are gearing up for a fight as we speak. My message to them is this: so am I.”

summer of 2009 Senior White House adviser David Axelrod and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina told Democrat Senators, “If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard.”

2010 midterm campaign Obama urged Hispanics to “punish our enemies”

December 13, 2010 “I will be happy to see the Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole range of issues,” Obama said last week. “I suspect they will find I am.

October 7, 2010 “If they’re successful in doing that, they’ve already said they’re going to go back to the same policies that were in place during the Bush administration. That means that we are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill.”

....from CNN

"dozens of protesters disrupted Trump's rally inside a Kansas City theater, crowds of demonstrators gathered outside.

As Trump supporters left the venue, protesters shouted and cursed at them -- and any passersby coming from the direction of the theater -- calling them "f***ing racists."

Alicia Valeanzela, who was shouting those words at people she believed to be Trump supporters, said she believed anyone supporting Trump supports a racist, xenophobic ideology.

"He's a f***ing bigot. He's an a**hole," she said.

Among those targeted by the protesters' cries were the Toates family: father Phillip, his wife and their three children, including a 10-year-old son.

"How do they know I even attended the rally? They say Trump's all about hate, but we have not been about hate and that's the way we got treated when we came out," said Phillip Toates, who said he is leaning toward supporting Trump but is still undecided."


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/12/politics/donald-trump-protests/

Trump should call for term limits for Congress members and free mental screenings for liberals....it would be "AMAZING"

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/12/donald-trump-rally-violence-vstan-orig-cws.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/

who is CAUSING the violence at Trump rallies?

wdmso
03-15-2016, 04:37 AM
your example: September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

the whole quote

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they're independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face!"

Sorry I didn't have time to debunk all your comparision examples

I guess Trump supporters would only focus on the Get in their face part of the message and see it as a green light to assault people or spit in their Face .. or a call to violence

While those of us who need mental screenings would read the whole statement in the context of sell the message dont give up.. argue your position be loud and be heard .. But I guess thats what separates us from Trump supporters

And now he want to arrest protester for protesting he's going to press charges against them Interesting

buckman
03-15-2016, 06:10 AM
your example: September 18, 2008 “Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face”

the whole quote

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they're independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face!"

Sorry I didn't have time to debunk all your comparision examples

I guess Trump supporters would only focus on the Get in their face part of the message and see it as a green light to assault people or spit in their Face .. or a call to violence

While those of us who need mental screenings would read the whole statement in the context of sell the message dont give up.. argue your position be loud and be heard .. But I guess thats what separates us from Trump supporters

And now he want to arrest protester for protesting he's going to press charges against them Interesting

Now that Trump has been awarded Secret Service protection, protesters threatening him can face serious consequences.
Trump supporters certainly have the legal right to protect themselves from groups that have a violent past. From the videos I saw, Trump supporters were protecting themselves . I have yet to see Trump supporters burning down buildings , looting and beating up people simply because they are of a different race .
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scottw
03-15-2016, 06:38 AM
what an incredible ability to ignore the behavior or these "protesters" as well as the history of this type of behavior from the left and instead focus on Trump as some kind of exception and ....how about democrat supporting unions, how have they behaved over the years particularly around election time? democrats have been thugs in general, have set the standard for bad behavior and now act horrified that Trump kinda resembles them...too damn funny.....:huh:

spence
03-15-2016, 06:40 AM
Now that Trump has been awarded Secret Service protection, protesters threatening him can face serious consequences.
Trump supporters certainly have the legal right to protect themselves from groups that have a violent past. From the videos I saw, Trump supporters were protecting themselves . I have yet to see Trump supporters burning down buildings , looting and beating up people simply because they are of a different race .
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Yea, like sucker punching a protester walking out of the arena? Has there been a since incident of a Trump protester actually starting a fight?

Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

scottw
03-15-2016, 07:00 AM
Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

yup...cause after 8 years of hoping for change their lives still suck and they want to blame someone...they apparently have the time in their lives to go to a rally for someone they'll never support to express hate and make asses out of themselves...probably just wanna be on the news

spence
03-15-2016, 07:15 AM
yup...cause after 8 years of hoping for change their lives still suck and they want to blame someone...they apparently have the time in their lives to go to a rally for someone they'll never support to express hate and make asses out of themselves...probably just wanna be on the news
I was talking about the protesters, not the Trump supporters.

There goes that number 8 again...

buckman
03-15-2016, 07:16 AM
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Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?[/QUOTE]

Well a vast majority of them I believe need to find some sort of narcissistic self important issue to latch on to , so they can call them self an activist whatever the #^&#^&#^&#^& that means . Other than that, no, I have no idea what they stand for .
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scottw
03-15-2016, 07:19 AM
I don't think the Trump supporters are upset...seems like they are there having a great time till the protesters show up uninvited acting like fools and warranting arrest in some cases....


Trump tried to go to one of the most violent cities in the world the other day, completely run by democrats for decades....and Trump was accused of inciting violence....hilarious....mental disorder

spence
03-15-2016, 07:47 AM
I don't think the Trump supporters are upset...seems like they are there having a great time till the protesters show up uninvited acting like fools and warranting arrest in some cases....
Of course they're having a great time, who doesn't like a free show?

buckman
03-15-2016, 08:29 AM
Of course they're having a great time, who doesn't like a free show?

And the protesters ...Of course they're having a great time . Who doesn't like everything for free .
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Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 10:07 AM
Do you have any idea why the protesters are so upset?

No one likes getting offended, and Trump is offensive.

So is Al Sharpton. Yet you don't see white conservatives rioting to prevent him from speaking.

WHY IS THAT, SPENCE?

Liberals would be well-served to take 5 minutes and read the Bill Of Rights, there must be a children's pop-up book version of it somewhere. In there, it says Trump has the right to free speech, and that his supporters have the right to free assembly.

Nowhere in there, does it say that liberals have the right to never be offended. That right doesn't exist.

Liberals love plurality of everything, except ideas.

buckman
03-15-2016, 10:25 AM
No one likes getting offended, and Trump is offensive.

So is Al Sharpton. Yet you don't see white conservatives rioting to prevent him from speaking.

WHY IS THAT, SPENCE?

Liberals would be well-served to take 5 minutes and read the Bill Of Rights, there must be a children's pop-up book version of it somewhere. In there, it says Trump has the right to free speech, and that his supporters have the right to free assembly.

Nowhere in there, does it say that liberals have the right to never be offended. That right doesn't exist.

Liberals love plurality of everything, except ideas.

Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points . What he says is off the cuff , without script band almost always portrayed out of context . You're too bright to fall for that and certainly able to read between the lines . It's refreshing to have that, as even Megyn Kelly has said . He is a master at dominating the air waves . I believe he just might be a bit smarter then you give him credit for .
He shouldn't even be used in the same post as an Al Sharpton.
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spence
03-15-2016, 10:31 AM
Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points .
If my kids talked like Trump they'd get suspended from school. In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

detbuch
03-15-2016, 10:47 AM
If my kids talked like Trump they'd get suspended from school. In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 10:49 AM
Jim , I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive . It seams you have fallen for the Romney / media talking points . What he says is off the cuff , without script band almost always portrayed out of context . You're too bright to fall for that and certainly able to read between the lines . It's refreshing to have that, as even Megyn Kelly has said . He is a master at dominating the air waves . I believe he just might be a bit smarter then you give him credit for .
He shouldn't even be used in the same post as an Al Sharpton.
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"I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive"

He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.

I could care less about what 'offends' the liberals who live in the upper west side of Manhattan or Hollywood, bit those are the things that offend me.

spence
03-15-2016, 10:56 AM
He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.
Couldn't agree more. The McCain comment was over the top. Making fun of a person's looks is great lesson to teach your kids.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 10:57 AM
He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Based on the fact that you won't concede that Hilary has ever lied, I'd say she conned you pretty good.

She also says I am pro-life because I hate wonen's health (in reality it's because I have empathy for the baby), that if I am concerned about our debt it's because I hate poor people, if I want secure borders it's because I hate Mexicans, if I support freedom of religion it's because I hate homosexuals, blah blah blah.

Part of the reason why people like Trump, is because when liberals inevitably hit below the belt (which they do when they know they can't debate the merits of their positions), Trump (unlike Bush, McCain, and Romney) will roll up his sleeves, put on a pair of brass knuckles, and hit back, hard, and call you nasty names while he's doing it. Some of those people deserve exactly that.

He goes too far, and he does it to people who don't deserve it...that's my isue with it. But we need someone, when Hilary claims to be a feminist, who will tell her to STFU, that she has no moral authority on feminism because of who she married, and how she attacked his victims. I genuinely respect Trump's willingness to call that crap out for EXACTLY what it is.

If all conservatives responded a bit more like Trump, liberals would be a lot less likely to lie about what conservatives believe. He's a lot like Ann Coulter, but more so. I have seen Ann Coulter put these smug liberals in their place, and leave them unable to respond, more times than I can count.

spence
03-15-2016, 10:57 AM
Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?
I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 11:00 AM
Couldn't agree more. The McCain comment was over the top. Making fun of a person's looks is great lesson to teach your kids.

Yet it doesn't bother you one bit when Hilary says that because I am anti-abortion, I therefore don't care about women's health.

I have never, not once, ever, heard a liberal say "I respect that pro-life people have empathy for the baby. However, I believe that empathy is mis-placed for the following reasons..."

They never, ever do that. Because if the issue is debated honestly like that, my side suddenly looks a lot less repugnant, and liberals can't deal with that, even if it's the truth.

detbuch
03-15-2016, 11:02 AM
I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

There is a great deal of similarity. I don't know what you mean by parity.

And I was referring to your "In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to . . . division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people" as being something you could also say about Democrats. Obama for instance.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 11:06 AM
I don't think there's any parity between Trump and and Democrats running for office.

Of course not, because you will not (or cannot, I'm not sure which) hold Democrats to any moral standards, or call them out when they violate said standards.

Trump is more crass and vulgar than anyone we've seen in a while. But I don't think he's much more divisive than Hilary or Obama. It's just that liberals aren't used to being on the receiving end of it. And they don't like it at all. But they are completely at ease dishing it out. Listen to Deb Wasserman Shultz for 10 seconds, and tell me I'm wrong.

If liberals practiced what they preached in terms of tolerance, I'd wager Trump would not be in the race right now. Just my opinion.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 11:10 AM
Again you say things about a Republican that can be said about Democrats. What's your point? Is it that Trump is better at it?

BINGO. Liberals are finding out that it's a lot nicer to be the one dishing that out, than being on the receiving end of it. That's the only real difference, although you'd have to say Trump is more boorish about it too.

buckman
03-15-2016, 11:19 AM
"I don't find what Trymp says as that offensive"

He said he didn't respect John McCain because he was captured, and he made fun of Carly Fiorina's looks. I think I have pretty thick skin, but I don't know how anyone can fail to be deeply offended by that.

I could care less about what 'offends' the liberals who live in the upper west side of Manhattan or Hollywood, bit those are the things that offend me.

I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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Nebe
03-15-2016, 11:28 AM
People who are rooting for trump are all being duped. It's obvious he is doing all of this for media attention and is going to cash in big time after the election with a movie or another reality TV show.
Some of the people who love this guy are the ones who think duck dynasty is real and that the characters are real and that reality tv is unscripted.

Sorry for the rant
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Nebe
03-15-2016, 11:30 AM
I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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Trump is certainly a con artist.
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Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 11:30 AM
I'll agree he does occasionally say some pretty outlandish things , everyone does . You just called him a con artist , nice talking point , but you have no evidence that this is a con . How is that so much different .
I grew up in a large Irish family , we always kid each other and I can't ever remember anyone being upset . People are too sensitive now a days , it creates all kinda stress and hate .
Lighten up
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"everyone does"

Not everyone could say that John McCain's capture means he doesn't deserve respect. 99% of Americans would be incapable of saying that out loud.

When he hits back at people who have it coming, I genuinely respect it.

Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.

Also, even if I loved everything about him, I am objective enough to know that his nomination could mean we hand the Oval Office, and far worse the Congress, back to the Democrats. I'd rather win with my second choice, then get clobbered with my first choice.

Nebe
03-15-2016, 11:48 AM
Boom!!! Nebe is right once again.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/15/3760261/carson-offered-position-by-trump/
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spence
03-15-2016, 11:51 AM
Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.
It's cold calculation. Trump is intentionally scrambling things up in an attempt to create a new voting block where he's the only candidate.

We can call it the "Reality Tea Vee Party"

The Dad Fisherman
03-15-2016, 12:01 PM
In nearly every situation where he could speak like a leader he instead turns to obscenities, division and blaming others. He seems willing to make just about anything up to suit his point and pull the worst from people.

He's a just con artist and a masterful one at that.

Sounds just like Sharpton
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buckman
03-15-2016, 12:08 PM
"everyone does"

Not everyone could say that John McCain's capture means he doesn't deserve respect. 99% of Americans would be incapable of saying that out loud.

When he hits back at people who have it coming, I genuinely respect it.

Finally, maybe my biggest issue with him, is this...I have no way of knowing what he really believes, about some issues I care deeply about. A few years ago, his stated posiitons were a lot more aligned with the liberal wing of the Democratic party, than the GOP. Maybe he genuinely saw the light.

Also, even if I loved everything about him, I am objective enough to know that his nomination could mean we hand the Oval Office, and far worse the Congress, back to the Democrats. I'd rather win with my second choice, then get clobbered with my first choice.

I'm not sure we know the position of any of them . They all muddle there position to cater to the crowd . I don't think he can be accused of the pandering and empty promises the others are guilty of . You have to take some of his words as symbolic . He's not outright lying and I'm starting to believe his ego will prevent him from being dishonest . The others make a living at being dishonest .
When it comes down to him or Hillary you simple have no choice .
After today it's over
Sorry Nebe , Bernie is a done too
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buckman
03-15-2016, 12:09 PM
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Or Obama ... A legacy of missed opportunity
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detbuch
03-15-2016, 12:14 PM
Boom!!! Nebe is right once again.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/15/3760261/carson-offered-position-by-trump/
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I wouldn't be surprised if Trump offered Carson something to sweeten the pot if he got his endorsement. That's the first thing I thought when Ben did endorse. But what Carson said on the video does not say a position was offered. Only some vague, still very liquid notion of an advisory relationship.

And Carson's explicitly stated reason he endorsed Trump was well thought out and logical.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 12:23 PM
Trump is intentionally scrambling things up in an attempt to create a new voting block where he's the only candidate.

We can call it the "Reality Tea Vee Party"

Would be more accurate to call it "page 1 of the Democratic playbook". Splinter society into as many fragmented "victim" groups as possible, convince said victims that the GOP is to blame for all of their problems, and hope it adds up to 51% of the electorate.

If Mexicans ever start voting for the GOP, watch how fast the Dems change their tune on immigration. They'll build a one-way, high speed train for these people that will take them to the southern tip of South America.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 12:24 PM
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Correct!

Yet Sharpton gets (1) his own TV show, and (2) regular invitations from Obama to come to DC to discuss policy. And at the same time, liberals don't want to let Trump speak.

Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 12:26 PM
I'm not sure we know the position of any of them . They all muddle there position to cater to the crowd . I don't think he can be accused of the pandering and empty promises the others are guilty of . You have to take some of his words as symbolic . He's not outright lying and I'm starting to believe his ego will prevent him from being dishonest . The others make a living at being dishonest .
When it comes down to him or Hillary you simple have no choice .
After today it's over
Sorry Nebe , Bernie is a done too
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Find me a video of Ted Cruz zaying he's pro-abortion.

If Trump is the nominee, i will plug my nose and vote for him against Hilary. But I won't be as proud to do it as I was in 08 or 12, not even close.

buckman
03-15-2016, 12:44 PM
Find me a video of Ted Cruz zaying he's pro-abortion.

If Trump is the nominee, i will plug my nose and vote for him against Hilary. But I won't be as proud to do it as I was in 08 or 12, not even close.

I changed my own position on abortion so I can relate .
Cruz is my favorite but I don't think he can beat Trump in the primary
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Nebe
03-15-2016, 01:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump offered Carson something to sweeten the pot if he got his endorsement. That's the first thing I thought when Ben did endorse. But what Carson said on the video does not say a position was offered. Only some vague, still very liquid notion of an advisory relationship.

And Carson's explicitly stated reason he endorsed Trump was well thought out and logical.
I would think the same is to be assumed with Cristy's endorsement. Looking out for number 1 always
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spence
03-15-2016, 05:55 PM
Sounds just like Sharpton
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Is Al Sharpton a front running presidential candidate? Has he ever been?

The Dad Fisherman
03-15-2016, 07:21 PM
Is Al Sharpton a front running presidential candidate? Has he ever been?

Funny, your original post didn't mention anything about president.....you said leader.

You know you can be a leader without a title.....done all the time by people of upstanding character.
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The Dad Fisherman
03-15-2016, 07:35 PM
....and he does seem to be pretty chummy with all those other "Quality of Character" people....

https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/gettyimages-510608800.jpg

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/9FBC/production/_88229804_hi031378481.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/10/15/310EAE1D00000578-3440536-image-a-12_1455117528132.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1118223!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/al20n-1-web.jpg
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Jim in CT
03-15-2016, 08:58 PM
Is Al Sharpton a front running presidential candidate? Has he ever been?

Nope. But every front-runner on your side, sells their souls by whoring out to Sharpton and kissing his ring. Yet when Trump is front and center, all of a sudden, liberals are opposed to hate speech and fear mongering.

scottw
03-16-2016, 07:07 AM
Obamaland and the Democrat way

hey, I think Bill Ayers was conspicuously present and involved....always good to have Obama's favorite domestic terrorist leading the charge....


http://nypost.com/video/blood-fights-and-guns-the-chicago-trump-rally-was-insane/