http://www.bbc.com/news/36075317

another example of Fear... we are not far from if you look like your from the middle east.. dont leave your house

http://www.bbc.com/news/36075317

another example of Fear... we are not far from if you look like your from the middle east.. dont leave your house

Sounds like you're afraid of something "we are not far from".

Amazing.
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I hate foreign speak,it should be illegal on planes.
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I hate foreign speak,it should be illegal on planes.
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Agree, I was on an Air Berlin flight to Frankfurt last spring and the people jabbering away in English was driving me nuts.

Agree, I was on an Air Berlin flight to Frankfurt last spring and the people jabbering away in English was driving me nuts.

English is not really a foreign language in Germany. English is considered an international language in many nations. ;)

Just kidding . . . sort of . . . like Sea dangles and you did . . . sort of.

I'm willing to bet there is more to the story then is being reported . I'm sure there has been plenty of people speaking in Arabic on SW airlines without belong removed from the plane. He might have just been a punk about it .
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I'm willing to bet there is more to the story then is being reported . I'm sure there has been plenty of people speaking in Arabic on SW airlines without belong removed from the plane. He might have just been a punk about it .
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A few years ago I was waiting to board my flight and a young guy of Middle Eastern looking descent found a spot away from everyone, dropped down and quickly did his prayers. The woman next to me was terrified and asked if we should report it.

fear leads to greater fear.

A few years ago I was waiting to board my flight and a young guy of Middle Eastern looking descent found a spot away from everyone, dropped down and quickly did his prayers. The woman next to me was terrified and asked if we should report it.

Curious who you think created this fear ? Wasn't that the purpose of terrorism ? So you blame trump ?
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Curious who you think created this fear ? Wasn't that the purpose of terrorism ? So you blame trump ?
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I'd say the media has done a bang up job of fertilizing the fear to the point of hysteria
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I'd say the media has done a bang up job of fertilizing the fear to the point of hysteria
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That and the explosions / crashed planes / mass gun killings and threats of more to come .
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Agree, I was on an Air Berlin flight to Frankfurt last spring and the people jabbering away in English was driving me nuts.

Ah Jeff, so sophisticated and international at that. Have your little darlings started their Chinese lessons yet?
Thank you for sharing your worldly adventure with us.
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It's like pit bulls , most of them are great dogs , but if I see one running down the street , I approach cautiously . 👍🏻
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If anyone cares, Southwest Airlines is saying that the man was accused of making threatening statements. It was what he said, not the language with which he said it, that got him kicked off.

I'd say the media has done a bang up job of fertilizing the fear to the point of hysteria
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So when these barbarians slaughter innocent people, use pregnant women and adults with Downs Syndrome as suicide bombers, and stone their women to death...the media shouldn't report it, so that we can keep 'fear' in check.

Nebe, I'd like to ask you a question that I asked Spence 5 times, and as far s I know, he never tried responding...here goes...I give someone you love a box of 100 chocolates. I tell you that one of them is poison, and will kill whoever eats it. How many do you let your loved one eat, before you take the box away and throw it in the garbage? Can you answer that honestly? For me, the answer is "zero", and I bet it is for you, too. But I have asked that question to at least 50 smart liberals, and every one of them struggles with it. They don't like being asked that, not at all.

Because it's estimated that at least 1% of the Muslims in the world, support the jihad. 1% is a small percentage. But 1% of 2 billion Muslims, is 20 million sociopaths. We can pretend that's not true, or we can deal with it.

If anyone cares, Southwest Airlines is saying that the man was accused of making threatening statements. It was what he said, not the language with which he said it, that got him kicked off.

Exactly , some here would like to fabricate hate , blame it on fabricated fear and stand up for those those victims of fabricated hate .
It makes them feel superior and smarter .
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"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Those that take rumors as fact without checking for facts are doomed to spread the same rumors without facts.

(along the lines of how "urban legends" get started.
You hear the "story", fail to check the facts, and pass the "story" on to others without any facts to back it up.)

If anyone cares, Southwest Airlines is saying that the man was accused of making threatening statements. It was what he said, not the language with which he said it, that got him kicked off.
How could the accuser know the remarks were threatening when she DOESN'T SPEAK ARABIC???

How could the accuser know the remarks were threatening when she DOESN'T SPEAK ARABIC???

Gee, that's a real head-scratcher. Because it's not possible that someone else on the plane speaks Arabic and related the threat to the airline. Right? Not possible?

I'm not saying the airline isn't lying (I wasn't there). But (1) you weren't there either, and (2) the airline has a massive financial incentive not to act in a way that would result in the US student suing them for a jillion dollars.

fear leads to greater fear.

And pretending that there aren't jihadists out there, leads to dead civilians. Yes or no?

How could the accuser know the remarks were threatening when she DOESN'T SPEAK ARABIC???

The article does say this "After an Arabic-speaking Southwest employee escorted him off the plane . . ."

Doesn't say that the employee was on the flight, but it's possible that someone on the plane did understand Arabic. More information than the story relates is needed for anyone to have a reasonably biased opinion.

The article does say this "After an Arabic-speaking Southwest employee escorted him off the plane . . ."

Doesn't say that the employee was on the flight, but it's possible that someone on the plane did understand Arabic. More information than the story relates is needed for anyone to have a reasonably biased opinion.
The NYT who first reported the story lays it out in clear detail.

Student was having a pleasant conversation in Arabic with his uncle back in Iraq. A woman ahead of him was certain she had identified one of Jim's bad chocolates and notified the flight attendant.

Southwest scrambled to find someone who spoke Arabic to talk him off the plane who apparently was unintelligible and the student asked him to speak English. The then said poor Arabic speaker cautioned him about using Arabic on the aircraft for reasons just like this.

You guys are holding out on a presumption of guilt, oh, he must have done something right, he's a Muslim?

<<<<<BREAKING NEWS>>>>>

A video of the event was just posted to youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s

So he made a terrorist threat and was not arrested?

The NYT who first reported the story lays it out in clear detail.

Student was having a pleasant conversation in Arabic with his uncle back in Iraq. A woman ahead of him was certain she had identified one of Jim's bad chocolates and notified the flight attendant.

Southwest scrambled to find someone who spoke Arabic to talk him off the plane who apparently was unintelligible and the student asked him to speak English. The then said poor Arabic speaker cautioned him about using Arabic on the aircraft for reasons just like this.

You guys are holding out on a presumption of guilt, oh, he must have done something right, he's a Muslim?

<<<<<BREAKING NEWS>>>>>

A video of the event was just posted to youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s

That was funny. I wasn't holding out and I didn't have any presumption. But after your speaking jive video, I be frontin fo a big laugh.

This thread seems to have fizzled into a slapshtick comedy of errors and misunderstandings resolving into the joke of being afraid of some fear of "something we are not far from . . ."

Much ado about nothing in the large picture of whatever.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Those that take rumors as fact without checking for facts are doomed to spread the same rumors without facts.

(along the lines of how "urban legends" get started.
You hear the "story", fail to check the facts, and pass the "story" on to others without any facts to back it up.)

Hey, I saw a meme come across my Facebook feed stating this was true......that's good enough for me....and sadly probably 25% of the population
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So he made a terrorist threat and was not arrested?
Yes, after telling his uncle about his event with the UN Secretary General he mentioned he'd call back after they landed.

But he said it in Arabic.

Guy should be in GITMO if you ask me.

Jim and buckman. Comparing people to dogs and food.
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Jim and buckman. Comparing people to dogs and food.
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It was an analogy and a pretty damn good one if I do say so myself .
By the way , doesn't it seem like most hate crimes nowadays turn into being hoaxes ?
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"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

Really?How many people here actually know what the Armenian Genocide really is?And please don't quote any revisionist bullsh!t history if you think you know.

2.5 million people were murdered by muslims because they themselves were not,simple.

We ARE repeating history and a hell of a lot more than 2.5 million will die at the hands of a bunch of religious fanatics.

As far as the "student" goes........screw him,better safe than sorry.Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev was a "student",how did that turn out?

Yes, after telling his uncle about his event with the UN Secretary General he mentioned he'd call back after they landed.

But he said it in Arabic.

Guy should be in GITMO if you ask me.

If he has a case, he should sue. Big bucks available. Could even get Obama's AG involved. Government could put a billion dollar, or so, fine against another greedy big business on top of millions for the Muslim. A good chance to show us who the real terrorists are--those greedy, blood-s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g, money grubbing, racist, anti-American values, capitalist Wall Street pigs.

Power to the People!!

Oh wait . . . you guys are, like, not blaming the airline. Your saying it's the rest of us haters and bigots for stirring up fear. Creating a climate of hate. It is we the American bigots who are the real terrorists. It is us who should be in Gitmo.

Power to the RIGHT people . . . to the Muslims, to the immigrants, to the oppressed minorities. Down with immigration laws. This country belongs to them as much as to anybody else. Down with the outdated Constitution written by old white men who had slaves.

It's time for us privileged white folks to quit making the rest of the world afraid of us. The rest of the world awaits our tired, our poor, our huddled masses yearning to breathe the freedom of their cultures and their countries.

Oh . . . wait . . . we're not really welcomed into their cultures and countries unless we spend money there, then leave. It's them who are coming here . . . permanently, and for most, on our dime. Damn! We're just not as tolerant and understanding as they are.

Yeah, the poor Muslim guy should sue for the great damages done to his dignity.

I just hope that there were no feelings hurt and he comes back soon.
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Jim and buckman. Comparing people to dogs and food.
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Another liberal who doesn't have the courage to answer.

I did not compare people to food. I posed a hypothetical trying to figure out what your tolerance would be, to exposing yourself or someone you love, to a 1% chance of death. We all know you wouldn't eat one chocolate, yet if any conservative expresses concern about the fact that 1% of Muslims want to kill us, you say that person is a fear monger. What's the difference, exactly, Nebe?

Another liberal who doesn't have the courage to answer.

I did not compare people to food. I posed a hypothetical trying to figure out what your tolerance would be, to exposing yourself or someone you love, to a 1% chance of death. We all know you wouldn't eat one chocolate, yet if any conservative expresses concern about the fact that 1% of Muslims want to kill us, you say that person is a fear monger. What's the difference, exactly, Nebe?
I like how Jim, a self described actuarial, just makes up statistics. Well, he did take a religious studies class in college :uhuh:

Nebe, your chances of being killed by a black person or death by car accident are much higher than being killed by an Islamic Extremist. Considering there are about 45 million black people in this country and 256 million registered vehicles how do you get out of bed?

Nebe, your chances of being killed by a black person or death by car accident are much higher than being killed by an Islamic Extremist. Considering there are about 45 million black people in this country and 256 million registered vehicles how do you get out of bed?

To be fair, Obama is working on trying to equalize those stats in 10,000 or 100,000 batches. Your chances of being killed by a Muslim, after enough are immigrated and propagate like bunnies (and they don't believe in abortion), will, in a generation or two, be more properly represented. We've got to transform this country into a more representative balance of death threats. After all, there aren't enough ways of being killed now. Unortunately, a good portion of the Muslim women won't be allowed by their religion to drive, so the double whammy of being killed by a Muslim and a car at the same time will be a bit less than it should be. Can't have everything.

Hey, Dangles . . . I think this is turning into the kind of thread you like. Heh, heh :devil2:

Your chances of getting killed in a terrorist attack on US soil is about as slim as winning powerball. You have a much better chance of death by driving a car, getting hit by lightning, a shark attack or by your own stupidity in general.

You guys need to grow some balls
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I like how Jim, a self described actuarial, just makes up statistics. Well, he did take a religious studies class in college :uhuh:

Nebe, your chances of being killed by a black person or death by car accident are much higher than being killed by an Islamic Extremist. Considering there are about 45 million black people in this country and 256 million registered vehicles how do you get out of bed?

Yes Spence. Any data I post that you don't happen to like, is made up. Out of curiosity, what% of the world's 2 billion Muslims, do you suppose support the jihadists?

Mohammed was a conqueror and a slave trader. I don't think that's disputed by anyone who is taken seriously.

"Nebe, your chances of being killed by a black person or death by car accident are much higher than being killed by an Islamic Extremist"

That's also likely true, for now. But it doesn't disprove anything I ever said.

One link I found. Is Pew considered very biased? I don't know...

http://moralcompassblog.com/2013/05/03/pew/

I will wait for you to tell me what % of Muslims you think support jihadists. Can't wait.

Your chances of getting killed in a terrorist attack on US soil is about as slim as winning powerball. You have a much better chance of death by driving a car, getting hit by lightning, a shark attack or by your own stupidity in general.

You guys need to grow some balls
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Have 3,000 people won Powerball since 9/11?

"You have a much better chance of death by driving a car" True, which is why there are all kinds of limitations on what kind of car you can drive.

"a shark attack "

I think far more people are killed by jihdists than sharks, Nebe...

No one has ever said that death by jihadst is a common cause of death. So I have no idea what point you and Spence are trying to disprove. One person killed by jihad, though, is too many. And jihadists, unlike cars or lightning, are able to plot ways to kill us, it's not random chance, Correct? A car doesn't sit in your driveway scheming to kill you. So to me, it's common sense to take that into account. If you disagree, I think that says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Your chances of getting killed in a terrorist attack on US soil is about as slim as winning powerball. You have a much better chance of death by driving a car, getting hit by lightning, a shark attack or by your own stupidity in general.

Oh, good. So long as the terrorists stay on all the other soils on which they are killing folks at a far better rate than being hit by lightning, were OK. Ummm . . . but aren't we inviting many thousands of folks from those bad soils over here. Oh that's OK. So the rate may gradually rise. We can just grow some balls, and all will be well.

You guys need to grow some balls
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What's the good of balls if you're blind?

This thread seems to have fizzled into a slapshtick comedy of errors and misunderstandings resolving into the joke of being afraid of some fear of "something we are not far from . . ."

Much ado about nothing in the large picture of whatever.

you have a very myopic view of the the larger picture ...

Next time I sit next to an overweight person on a flight, they better be prepared to take the next flight.

"Steward, I think I heard this person saying soming in Arabic and I'm afraid"

you have a very myopic view of the the larger picture ...

So you really think that there is going to be a surge of passengers being removed from commercial airplanes because they spoke in Arabic? That's the larger picture that I'm viewing myopically? I wonder how many people have been asked to leave a plane for other reasons, but we didn't hear about them.

This is not complicated. If the Muslim's rights have been denied, he can sue the airline. He would have no difficulty in finding a lawyer to take up his case. If he has a case.

Next time I sit next to an overweight person on a flight, they better be prepared to take the next flight.

"Steward, I think I heard this person saying soming in Arabic and I'm afraid"

They don't automatically kick people off for those kind of alerts. But it would be convenient to play that card at certain times!

[QUOTE=detbuch;1099168]So you really think that there is going to be a surge of passengers being removed from commercial airplanes because they spoke in Arabic? Never suggested that only that if you look middle eastern you might be better off staying at home That's the larger picture that I'm viewing myopically? I wonder how many people have been asked to leave a plane for other reasons, but we didn't hear about them.

This is not complicated. If the Muslim's rights have been denied, he can sue the airline. He would have no difficulty in finding a lawyer to take up his case. If he has a case. in that light you must feel the Airline acted reasonable and he can sue and everything is all better? I get it /QUOTE]

[QUOTE=detbuch;1099168]So you really think that there is going to be a surge of passengers being removed from commercial airplanes because they spoke in Arabic? Never suggested that only that if you look middle eastern you might be better off staying at home That's the larger picture that I'm viewing myopically? I wonder how many people have been asked to leave a plane for other reasons, but we didn't hear about them.

So the larger picture that I'm viewing myopically is that those who look Middle Eastern may come to the conclusion they would be better off staying home because one of them was asked to leave the plane allegedly for saying something threatening? Have all the Middle Eastern looking folks who had reservations since this incident cancelled their flights? Have all those who were planning to fly decided not to? Maybe you can post another article telling us about this sudden drop in passengers who look Middle Eastern.

This is not complicated. If the Muslim's rights have been denied, he can sue the airline. He would have no difficulty in finding a lawyer to take up his case. If he has a case. in that light you must feel the Airline acted reasonable and he can sue and everything is all better? I get it /QUOTE]

I don't know if the airline acted reasonably. It made a claim about threatening sounding verbiage, which has neither been substantiated, nor disproved. If they were unreasonable, I hope that is established and reasonable recompense is issued. In the light of your response, you must feel the airline acted unreasonably. Are you just "feeling" that, or do you actually know?

Yes Spence. Any data I post that you don't happen to like, is made up. Out of curiosity, what% of the world's 2 billion Muslims, do you suppose support the jihadists?
Yes, you just make stuff up you don't really understand. If there were really 20 million sociopaths (definition: a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience) driven to religious violence we'd have a much bigger problem than we do.

I like how your link above cites an even bigger number though. I quote "Shedding Blood For Allah: Pew Study Says More Than 350 Million Muslims Support Violent Jihad" when the Pew study says no such thing.

Perhaps should have had a pause when you read the site's own description "Using mostly news reports, Moral Compass pokes fun at the delusional claims by people of faith that belief in God equips them with superior moral standards."

That sounds credible to me.

I'd say your comprehension of Jihad or even global Islamic affairs struggles to keep pace with Donald Trump.

Mohammed was a conqueror and a slave trader. I don't think that's disputed by anyone who is taken seriously.

Is this that much different than the founders of our Nation who conquered Native Americans and engaged the trade of African Slaves for over a century?

Do you think that in the medieval sectarian world in which Mohammed lived if you weren't conquering you would be the conquered? You learned that in your religious studies 101 class right?

Is this that much different than the founders of our Nation who conquered Native Americans and engaged the trade of African Slaves for over a century?

Yes, it's quite different. The "Native Americans" were conquered by the people whom the Founders revolted against. By the time the Founders were born, most of them were "native" to America. And the conquered "Native Americans" you referred to were conquering each other before they were conquered by various Europeans. And those conquered "Native Americans" didn't consider themselves to be "American."

And the Founders created a deadline for the ending of the Slave trade. And that Slave trade was "inherited" (a term you like to use to excuse Obama of various culpabilities) by the Founders and most of them knew and professed that it was a savagery that needed to be extinguished. And the Founder's Declaration of Independence specifically stated that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And that the people would institute their own government. And that government would derive its just powers from the consent of the people who created that government. And that when that government became destructive of those ends, the people had a right to alter or abolish that government.

And the American Founders did not believe in conquering other nations and forcing them to pay tribute or convert to Americanism.

And the American Founders did and said these things contrary to the ways of the world at that time. They didn't institute just another version of the same old tyrannies that ruled the rest of the world. They created something unique to their time.



Do you think that in the medieval sectarian world in which Mohammed lived if you weren't conquering you would be the conquered? You learned that in your religious studies 101 class right?

Unlike the American Founders, The Founder of Islam, was an active believer in conquest and the enforced conversion or collection of tribute. And he directed that Muslims could enslave and that it was good and righteous to do so. And Muslims were more active in the African slave trade than others, as well as making slaves of Europeans and other non-Muslim Middle Easterners. And they were more brutal about it. And Muhammad did not make a provision for ever ending slavery. The conquest, slavery, brutality, imposed by Muslims on the rest of the world continued many generations after the Founder of Islam had gone to his virgins in the sky. Though it has diminished in recent times, a slave trade still exists in Islam.

And the Founder of Islam made no declaration of equality of all men. He did not proclaim that everyone had unalienable rights. And he did not allow that people could institute their own governments, nor that the government that Muhammad created would operate by consent of the people. He did not allow that there were any reasons or rights that Muslims could have to alter or abolish Islam. He, unlike the American founders, created his own version of the tyrannies of his time.

It wasn't because Muhammad's time was just so immersed in tyranny and conquest and slavery and brutality that he couldn't escape the norm and create something more egalitarian, loving, accepting. Christianity emerged in the midst of as brutal times six centuries before Islam.

And therein is the difficulty of reforming Islam. Its Founder's actions and decrees are the opposite of the fundamental transformation required to make Islam a partner with present day religions and governments. Christ, as a model for Christianity, can still fully be embraced. Muhammad, to make Islam up to date, would have to be eliminated or recast as someone else. Or just quietly be ignored.

And, unlike Islam, America's Founders can still be looked to as models for how to govern.

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I don't know if the airline acted reasonably. It made a claim about threatening sounding verbiage, which has neither been substantiated, nor disproved. If they were unreasonable, I hope that is established and reasonable recompense is issued. In the light of your response, you must feel the airline acted unreasonably. Are you just "feeling" that, or do you actually know?

apparently one guy getting kicked off a plane is a disturbing trending vector....and probably a crisis:)

on the other hand....we hardly ever hear of terrorist attacks , especially involving planes sooo....pretending it's a problem is really silly :rotf2: