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JohnR
09-22-2016, 07:00 AM
Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump.

Before everyone calls out Rassist, "protesting" via rioting and causing injury to others and law enforcement are not going to enamor most people with the plight of the protestors, even the legitimate and positive people. There will be a lot of people from across the political spectrum that will vote for law and order (regardless of how bad the law and order candidate is) over lawlessness in their city or town.

ecduzitgood
09-22-2016, 07:11 AM
It really is getting out of control and I fear bloodshed before this country can become whole again.
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buckman
09-22-2016, 07:28 AM
It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 08:01 AM
Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump.

Before everyone calls out Rassist, "protesting" via rioting and causing injury to others and law enforcement are not going to enamor most people with the plight of the protestors, even the legitimate and positive people. There will be a lot of people from across the political spectrum that will vote for law and order (regardless of how bad the law and order candidate is) over lawlessness in their city or town.

"Latest protests in Charlotte are going to help Trump."

BINGO. Brilliant observation. For this to happen in a key swing state like NC, is (politically speaking, set aside the human suffering for a moment) a gift from God to Trump - if he is cunning enough to take full advantage, which he may well not be. If it plays out, as it appears it will, that the cop did nothing wrong, people in NC are going to be pissed that feral liberal anarchy did this to their state capital. This isn't CT or California. NC is a different brand of vodka, and outside Charlotte, this isn't going to help the candidate who kisses Al Sharpton's ring.

If I'm Trump, I show endless commercials in NC of Hilary kissing Sharpton's keyster.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 08:05 AM
It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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A president who wasn't a radical liberal, would have done that long ago. This is a guy who aligned himself with Bill Ayers, who was close with Rev Wright, and therefore likely thinks the rioters are correct to be deathly afraid of all white cops.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 08:16 AM
It is time for President Obama to stand up, and demand that this stop and do whatever he can to stop the violence .
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Refresh my memory, how many race riots did we have in this country during the Bush presidency? We still had white cops then, right?

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 08:46 AM
We still had white cops then, right?

Doesn't need to be a White Cop....

This was a Black cop that shot a Black man, as confirmed by the Black Chief of Police.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 09:02 AM
Doesn't need to be a White Cop....

This was a Black cop that shot a Black man, as confirmed by the Black Chief of Police.

Correct again!

In better news, you might like to know that I signed my first grader up for cub scouts, Tiger Den I think. First trip is coming up, an overnighter on a battleship in Fall River. He and I are both excited to be starting what I hope will be a journey as rewarding as I assume yours was with your son. I always liked hearing how involved you were.

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 09:31 AM
Correct again!

In better news, you might like to know that I signed my first grader up for cub scouts, Tiger Den I think. First trip is coming up, an overnighter on a battleship in Fall River. He and I are both excited to be starting what I hope will be a journey as rewarding as I assume yours was with your son. I always liked hearing how involved you were.

The USS Massachusetts....best overnighter we did in Cub Scouts. You will have a blast.

just get involved and enjoy the ride....its a lot of fun....gives you an excuse to be a kid again.

DZ
09-22-2016, 09:36 AM
Race relations regression will be Obama's most significant fail IMO. This will be a huge part of his legacy.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 09:42 AM
The USS Massachusetts....best overnighter we did in Cub Scouts. You will have a blast.

just get involved and enjoy the ride....its a lot of fun....gives you an excuse to be a kid again.

We both can't wait!

My son is a shy kid. I brought him to the signups, and he was sitting next to me as I filled out the paperwork. Some slightly older kids came over, and invited him to do an art project with them, then they played tag, then one of them invited him to his birthday party. Sometimes you can just tell that you are surrounded by people who share your values. I am very happy he will be having these experiences, and sharing them with these kinds of families. Already talking about taking his den, maybe a couple of dens, ice fishing this winter with a well known CT guide.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 09:43 AM
Race relations regression will be Obama's most significant fail IMO. This will be a huge part of his legacy.

Colossal failure.

ecduzitgood
09-22-2016, 09:46 AM
We both can't wait!

My son is a shy kid. I brought him to the signups, and he was sitting next to me as I filled out the paperwork. Some slightly older kids came over, and invited him to do an art project with them, then they played tag, then one of them invited him to his birthday party. Sometimes you can just tell that you are surrounded by people who share your values. I am very happy he will be having these experiences, and sharing them with these kinds of families. Already talking about taking his den, maybe a couple of dens, ice fishing this winter with a well known CT guide.
That's awesome!
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PaulS
09-22-2016, 10:08 AM
Race relations regression will be Obama's most significant fail IMO. This will be a huge part of his legacy.

Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

buckman
09-22-2016, 10:17 AM
Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

No
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JohnR
09-22-2016, 10:20 AM
Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

I don't. You hear a lot of complaining about this but only a small subset of people really believe it - then and now.

(For the record, I think ANYONE running for President - or any office that requires standards be met - should need to submit all of the proper documentation to prove eligibility - always have and long before Obama)

buckman
09-22-2016, 10:29 AM
Whew ....thank God we did away with the Confederate flag
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PaulS
09-22-2016, 10:31 AM
I don't. You hear a lot of complaining about this but only a small subset of people really believe it - then and now.

(For the record, I think ANYONE running for President - or any office that requires standards be met - should need to submit all of the proper documentation to prove eligibility - always have and long before Obama)

I have seen surveys that said that almost 1/2 of Repubs. believe Pres. Obama was a Muslim and/or born outside the US. There was 0 proof of that.

I agree anyone running for office should provide the proper docs. So do you think Pres. Obama was elected Pres. w/o having to provide those docs. and if so, w/o anyone reviewing those docs. or looking into his background? I can't imagine that. He was on the Senate Foreign relations committee. I'm sure he was briefed by our intelligence agencies. I would think they would have looked into his background bf those briefings.

I'd be interested in Dennis' thoughts.

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 10:35 AM
you seem to be the one keeping the Birther movement alive and well.

I haven't heard anyone bring that up in years.

Those surveys you are referencing....how old are they?

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 10:37 AM
Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

no, but Lack of leadership on Obama's fault has a lot to do with it.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 10:42 AM
Do you think that Birther movement had anything to do with this?

A TINY bit. They are a very small fringe group, whom no one believes.

The Dallas police sniper didn't say he was getting revenge for the birthers. I have never seen anyone at a recent riot, holding a sign that said anything about birthers. I see a lot of signs about BLM.

Am I wrong, Paul?

scottw
09-22-2016, 10:43 AM
I agree anyone running for office should provide the proper docs. So do you think Pres. Obama was elected Pres. w/o having to provide those docs. and if so, w/o anyone reviewing those docs. or looking into his background? I can't imagine that. He was on the Senate Foreign relations committee. I'm sure he was briefed by our intelligence agencies. I would think they would have looked into his background bf those briefings.

I'd be interested in Dennis' thoughts.

you should check with Hillary and friends...pretty sure she gave rise to the birther phenomenon..she might have your answers as to why there was ever a question....:rolleyes:

PaulS
09-22-2016, 10:45 AM
you seem to be the one keeping the Birther movement alive and well.

I haven't heard anyone bring that up in years.

Those surveys you are referencing....how old are they?

I thought that Trump just mentioned it?

Didn't he?

So all those feelings Pres. Obama was a Muslim and was born in Kenya went away?

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 11:19 AM
Let me clarify...

Why do YOU keep bringing up the birther movement HERE? I haven't seen anyone bring that up HERE in years.

scottw
09-22-2016, 11:24 AM
nobody cares anymore...everyone knows he was born in Kenya, this is what happens when you don't protect your borders

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 11:31 AM
nobody cares anymore...everyone knows he was born in Kenya, this is what happens when you don't protect your borders

See, THAT'S Sarcasm (I Hope)

scottw
09-22-2016, 11:34 AM
See, THAT'S Sarcasm (I Hope)

indeed....sarcasm is when you are almost laughing too hard to hit "submit reply"

PaulS
09-22-2016, 11:37 AM
Let me clarify...

Why do YOU keep bringing up the birther movement HERE? I haven't seen anyone bring that up HERE in years.

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

DZ
09-22-2016, 11:41 AM
Paul - I don't know - I always thought the birther issue was a crock.

But to get back to race relations - Obama has been the CIC for 8 years. When you're the boss man you bear responsibility for everything that happens on your watch - both the good AND the bad. He's quick to take credit... but slow on admitting or taking blame for failed policy. He had a chance to improve things for the race - hasn't done enough IMO.

scottw
09-22-2016, 11:45 AM
Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

a) Wayne said we're supposed to talk about the future not the past because that's what "progressives" do, lean us forward to the future rather than drag us back to the past where the conservatives would like us to go as soon as possible so that they can enjoy slavery and stuff once again...

b) Hillary's sniper controversy should never be brought up again...hear that JIM!?!.....nobody will ever care other than to lament that she was not shot down

c)where 50% ( I question this but whatever) of republicans think Bummer was born has absolutely nothing to do with the current racial climate...and remember...Bummer is only 50% black so you need to divide everything by two

buckman
09-22-2016, 12:23 PM
I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 01:23 PM
Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

OK, I'll give you a Touchť on this...

so why do you think it has a huge amount to do with the Racial Climate?

spence
09-22-2016, 01:26 PM
I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 01:28 PM
I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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Don't forget what happened to Reginald Denny too....that should be included in the discussion.

I agree that a lot of the problems we are having are driven by the media.

I also think that every time we needed Obama to step up and lead when it came to possible racial conflicts....he didn't, and actually made things worse. (i.e. Cops were stupid, if I had a son he'd look like..., etc.)

The president needs to unite...he his the president of the entire US, not just those he chooses.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:33 PM
White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

"White people riot all the time,"

Conservative white people?

scottw
09-22-2016, 01:39 PM
White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

oh great...he's turning into Brian Williams

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:40 PM
I'm sure I don't need to remind you guys but rioting and looting and poor black neighborhoods isn't a new phenomenon . I'm sure we can all recall what happened with Rodney King . That was 1992, so yes they happened before Obama . But I really thought we were on the mend. I believe most of it is media driven. All you have to do is watch CNN.
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We have never achieved perfect harmony. But we were not nearly this racially divided during the Clinton or Bush years.

Clinton's term saw little division, racial or otherwise (I never, ever felt like he despised everyone who didn't vote for him).

Same for the first few years Bush's presidency. Then the Iraq War became unpopular, and liberals went berserk with hatred of Bush. Worse, when liberals wanted out of Iraq, Bush not only didn't withdraw, but he forced the dems in the Congress to support the Surge, which worked. That made the liberals hate him even more.

Looking for a way to win, liberals figured out that if instead of uniting us, if they divided us into different buckets, and made people in each bucket despise each other, they could cobble together enough victim groups to equal 51% of the voters. Having had some early success with that strategy, they are sticking with it.

Look no further for proof, than this ridiculous myth that white cops routinely go out hunting for young black men. Yes, even one murder by a police officer, is one too many. But even though that almost never happens, it gets all of the media attention. Despite the huge numbers of blacks getting killed by other blacks, that problem gets little attention. Because it doesn't support The Narrative.

PaulS
09-22-2016, 01:42 PM
OK, I'll give you a Touchť on this...

So we been reduced to trying to touche each other.

so why do you think it has a huge amount to do with the Racial Climate?

Prob. need a face to face rather than a 30 sec. blurb here.

I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres. It unearthed racist sentiments where they felt free to voice them in a way w/o using language they knew was inappropriate. So the birther and a black Pres. also brought forth a feeling obo Blacks that they are not going to take it any more. So they protest (and the scummy/liberal ones riot). Blacks feel discriminated against and now even (as in Charlotte) you might have a "legitamate" shooting but they don't see it that way. You and I will never know what it is like to be black.

here is something I just read. A little hard to read bc the author added their own comments.

One of Donald Trump's Ohio campaign chairs has a very unique, revisionist view of American history that she is proudly sharing with the world.

Mahoning County campaign chair Kathy Miller, who is white, told the Guardian that there was "no racism" in the 1960s and if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

"If you're black and you haven't been successful in the last 50 years, it's your own fault. You've had every opportunity, it was given to you," she told the Guardian.

"Growing up as a kid [in the 1960s], there was no racism," Miller adds. "... I never experienced it."


Ah, yes. Much like gravity, ultraviolet light and dark matter, racism doesn't exist unless you can see it with your own eyes.

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ..." Miller says. "Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and I think that's the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America."

She doubles down by adding that black children "had the same schools as everyone else" (false), extra benefits to go to college that "white kids didn't have" (gross oversimplification of affirmative action), and that lower turnout among black voters is due to "the way they're raised" (voter turnout in Ohio in the last two presidential elections was higher among black voters than white ones).

"When do they take responsibility for how they live?" Miller demands.

The video is worth watching if only for the expression on the face of the poor interviewer, who at one point nicely asks Miller if some might find her comments offensive.

"I don't care," Miller says. "It's the truth."

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:43 PM
White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

We all know the riots stem from feelings of mistrust of the police.

Where you and I disagree, is the validity of that mistrust.

I see no reason why these people don't trust the Charlotte police. Black cop, black chief of police, the chief saying the family will be shown the video making it clear he had a gun that for some idiotic reason, he wouldn't put down.

buckman
09-22-2016, 01:43 PM
White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

Maybe white Canadiens when Montreal lost the the Stanley Cup eh ?

The people that are riptong and looting and smashing cop cars and beating white people aren't looking for justice . But they do deserve justice
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The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 01:43 PM
White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before.

I'm thinking you were probably just peeling an onion....

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

Nobody here is missing that, what your missing is that leadership is not trying to reverse that lack of trust. Obama says dumb things and does dumb #^&#^&#^&#^& when it comes time to lead in areas of racial tensions.

Add the fact the media likes to sensationalize stories and create added tension, and you end up where we are today.

Take the shooting in Tulsa. CNN ran the story with one picture, the guy with his hands up like he was doing nothing wrong and got shot. Everybody gets fired up OMG the police shot an unarmed man who had his hands up.

But if you look at the video, which wasn't linked in the story. It shows the police multiple times yelling at him to stop as he walks back to his car, then he puts his hands down and it looks like he is reaching for something....that's when he got shot. To late though....the damage has been done and social media is on fire.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:47 PM
Prob. need a face to face rather than a 30 sec. blurb here.

I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres. It unearthed racist sentiments where they felt free to voice them in a way w/o using language they knew was inappropriate. So the birther and a black Pres. also brought forth a feeling obo Blacks that they are not going to take it any more. So they protest (and the scummy/liberal ones riot). Blacks feel discriminated against and now even (as in Charlotte) you might have a "legitamate" shooting but they don't see it that way.

here is something I just read. A little hard to read bc the author added their own comments.

One of Donald Trump's Ohio campaign chairs has a very unique, revisionist view of American history that she is proudly sharing with the world.

Mahoning County campaign chair Kathy Miller, who is white, told the Guardian that there was "no racism" in the 1960s and if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

"If you're black and you haven't been successful in the last 50 years, it's your own fault. You've had every opportunity, it was given to you," she told the Guardian.

"Growing up as a kid [in the 1960s], there was no racism," Miller adds. "... I never experienced it."


Ah, yes. Much like gravity, ultraviolet light and dark matter, racism doesn't exist unless you can see it with your own eyes.

"I don't think there was any racism until Obama got elected. We never had problems like this ..." Miller says. "Now, with the people with the guns, and shooting up neighborhoods, and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and I think that's the philosophy that Obama has perpetuated on America."

She doubles down by adding that black children "had the same schools as everyone else" (false), extra benefits to go to college that "white kids didn't have" (gross oversimplification of affirmative action), and that lower turnout among black voters is due to "the way they're raised" (voter turnout in Ohio in the last two presidential elections was higher among black voters than white ones).

"When do they take responsibility for how they live?" Miller demands.

The video is worth watching if only for the expression on the face of the poor interviewer, who at one point nicely asks Miller if some might find her comments offensive.

"I don't care," Miller says. "It's the truth."

"I think it was an attempt to deligitamize the first black Pres"

Agreed. But the attempt was limited to a small fringe. And for a long time, Obama refused to release his long form birth certificate. He could have ended this sooner, had he been more forthcoming.

"So they protest "

You are speculating that they are protesting, at least in part, in retaliation to birthers. Problem is, none of the protesters are saying that. They are all saying that they are protesting police oppression.

If you can support your speculation that the riots are connected to birther claims, please share.

"if black people fail in this country, it's their "own fault."

For the most part, I agree with that.

The opportunities here are endless. The black culture, at least for blacks born in this country, hasn't embraced those opportunities yet. They have instead embraced the victimhood status that liberals shove down their throats.

Paul, how come there are so many stories of immigrants from other countries (especially Asians) coming here with zip, and in one generation, their kids are doctors? Is the system rigged in favor of Asian immigrants moreso than blacks who are here already? Those immigrants work their fingers to the bone, because they wholeheartedly, passionately embrace the idea of opportunity.

Blacks who do the right things (stay in school, work hard, present themselves well, get married before having kids) do well. Whites who make stupid decisions (drop out of high school, do drugs, wear their pants down by their ankles) struggle. It's not about race. It's about the choices you make.

spence
09-22-2016, 01:52 PM
"White people riot all the time,"

Conservative white people?
Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:54 PM
Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Please share some news stories.

And if it helps you, I am sure...conservatives don't have a habit of rioting every time they don't get their way. That's a liberal tactic.

buckman
09-22-2016, 01:56 PM
Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Can you give us a link , news paper clipping or something . You might be having a Hillary moment ?
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scottw
09-22-2016, 01:57 PM
this is like when Clinton was recalling all of those black churches burning in his neighborhood

Jim in CT
09-22-2016, 01:58 PM
Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

As we all know, college campuses are hotbeds of radical conservatism.

buckman
09-22-2016, 02:23 PM
Because I'm bored, as you know, I have been googling trying to find a college riot that involved conservatism . So far zip ... But if you want some funny reading, look up Forbes 2015 top ten ridiculous college riots .
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The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 02:23 PM
Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Throwing water balloons at the school mascot does not a riot make.....

Nebe
09-22-2016, 02:24 PM
Panty raid!!!
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The Dad Fisherman
09-22-2016, 02:24 PM
Because I'm bored, as you know, I have been googling trying to find a college riot that involved conservatism . So far zip ... But if you want some funny reading, look up Forbes 2015 top ten ridiculous college riots .
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if you want a REALLY good laugh, go to Collegereform.org

spence
09-22-2016, 03:33 PM
Because I'm bored, as you know, I have been googling trying to find a college riot that involved conservatism . So far zip ... But if you want some funny reading, look up Forbes 2015 top ten ridiculous college riots .
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Rookies, those aren't riots.

ecduzitgood
09-22-2016, 03:35 PM
Rookies, those aren't riots.

Oh please tell us more.
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JohnR
09-22-2016, 03:46 PM
I have seen surveys that said that almost 1/2 of Repubs. believe Pres. Obama was a Muslim and/or born outside the US. There was 0 proof of that.

I agree anyone running for office should provide the proper docs. So do you think Pres. Obama was elected Pres. w/o having to provide those docs. and if so, w/o anyone reviewing those docs. or looking into his background? I can't imagine that. He was on the Senate Foreign relations committee. I'm sure he was briefed by our intelligence agencies. I would think they would have looked into his background bf those briefings.

I'd be interested in Dennis' thoughts.

I have heard of rumors of studies that state all whites are rassist. I do not believe it to be true.

I have heard rumors of 30% of democrats think the moon landings were faked, pot is good for your lungs, and hemp is indeed the miracle technology of the future.

you should check with Hillary and friends...pretty sure she gave rise to the birther phenomenon..she might have your answers as to why there was ever a question....:rolleyes:

Queue Sidney Blumenthal

Why does it bother you that I bring it up? And what is the time limit on bringing something up with you not liking it? Does Hillary's sniper comment get an exemption?


I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

I thought the current racial climate was because white cops were indiscriminately killing unarmed peaceful black males?

(and just to be clear, I try not to jump to any conclusions on soemthing like this until more facts are known - as we know most first reports are generally wrong)

White people riot all the time, hell I've been tear gassed in a riot before. They just do it for superficial reasons and not perceptions of inequality.

I think you guys are also missing the point that a big reason people flip out when it looks like the killing was justified is a lack of trust in the police by some minority communities.

I have not seen many white people riot all the time. Short of TV I have not seen many people riot at all. Not something I participate in - rioting. Something I do hope people participate in, allow the judicial system to do its work. Some of the examples that have incited protests have been legit, some have not. Cool heads have not prevailed in the heat of the moment and more of our kids are getting hurt as a result.

Not sure, I know my university riots were pretty conservative.

Did you go armed in school with a Dildo to protest Concealed Carry? Would you have for the chicks?

Because I'm bored, as you know, I have been googling trying to find a college riot that involved conservatism . So far zip ... But if you want some funny reading, look up Forbes 2015 top ten ridiculous college riots .
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Hillarious

detbuch
09-22-2016, 06:01 PM
I bring it up BC almost 50% of the Republicans believed in it and I think it had/has a huge amount to do with the current racial climate.

Why should 50% of Republicans believing Obama was born in Kenya create a racial climate? Is Kenyan a race? Wasn't the birther movement about constitutional qualification to be President? Wasn't the notion that it was about race intentionally cast that way by Democrats and leftists and Progressives? Weren't they trying to solidify and stir up their "base" by painting the movement as being "racist"?

Anyway, Paul, you above all others should know that the hateful racial climate with its violent protests is all about having "anger issues."

ecduzitgood
09-23-2016, 12:33 AM
Oh boy...
http://www.abc6.com/story/33163820/nc-congressman-says-charlotte-protesters-hate-white-people
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wdmso
09-23-2016, 07:51 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37447915

Must be where Jim got his ideas about blacks

2nd link didn't see the 1st one

Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 07:56 AM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37447915

Must be where Jim got his ideas about blacks

2nd link didn't see the 1st one

Just out of curiosity, what do you presume my "ideas about blacks" are?

I want them to all succeed and be happy, to break the cycle of poverty and crime. I doubt you have a problem with that. When I display the brains to take the next step, and connect the dots between black poverty and liberalism, now all of a sudden, I'm a racist.

Good Lord, when I have I ever said something as stupid as "blacks hate white people"?

That legislator has to go.

wdmso
09-23-2016, 08:03 AM
when will anyone get it ..its about not the killings of a criminal or some one with a gun its about killing people who are unarmed I repeat unarmed...

I have said it before My men and I in Iraq had more restraint then some of these police .. and we were in combat , we couldn't just shoot someone because they looked scary or we thought they had a weapon ..

No issues pull a gun on police and they shoot you Fake or real

and these stats have some influence on what we see


Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. (See which police departments were responsible for these deaths)

Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting

37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population

Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, will be sentenced May 31.

wdmso
09-23-2016, 08:08 AM
Just out of curiosity, what do you presume my "ideas about blacks" are?

I want them to all succeed and be happy, to break the cycle of poverty and crime. I doubt you have a problem with that. When I display the brains to take the next step, and connect the dots between black poverty and liberalism, now all of a sudden, I'm a racist.

Good Lord, when I have I ever said something as stupid as "blacks hate white people"?

That legislator has to go.

No you have never said "blacks hate white people"?

More about his information blaming of the welfare system for the past 50 years for the current issues


he should go I agree.. but he wont go his gerrymandering district
most likely wont allow it

buckman
09-23-2016, 09:01 AM
when will anyone get it ..its about not the killings of a criminal or some one with a gun its about killing people who are unarmed I repeat unarmed...

I have said it before My men and I in Iraq had more restraint then some of these police .. and we were in combat , we couldn't just shoot someone because they looked scary or we thought they had a weapon ..

No issues pull a gun on police and they shoot you Fake or real

and these stats have some influence on what we see


Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people in 2015, nearly twice each week. (See which police departments were responsible for these deaths)

Nearly 1 in 3 black people killed by police in 2015 were identified as unarmed, though the actual number is likely higher due to underreporting

37% of unarmed people killed by police were black in 2015 despite black people being only 13% of the U.S. population

Unarmed black people were killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites in 2015

Only 10 of the 102 cases in 2015 where an unarmed black person was killed by police resulted in officer(s) being charged with a crime, and only 2 of these deaths (Matthew Ajibade and Eric Harris) resulted in convictions of officers involved. Only 1 of 2 officers convicted for their involvement in Matthew Ajibade's death received jail time. He was sentenced to 1 year in jail and allowed to serve this time exclusively on weekends. Deputy Bates, who killed Eric Harris, will be sentenced May 31.

What don't you get ? Although blacks only comprise about 13% of the population they commit a much much larger percentage of crimes then do whites and Hispanics and this would increase the number of police encounters .
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ecduzitgood
09-23-2016, 09:19 AM
What don't you get ? Although blacks only comprise about 13% of the population they commit a much much larger percentage of crimes then do whites and Hispanics and this would increase the number of police encounters .
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I would also think the percentage who comply or don't resist arrest may be racially tilted also.
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Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 09:45 AM
No you have never said "blacks hate white people"?

More about his information blaming of the welfare system for the past 50 years for the current issues


he should go I agree.. but he wont go his gerrymandering district
most likely wont allow it

"More about his information blaming of the welfare system for the past 50 years for the current issues "

WDMSO, a lot of people agree with that. Not just welfare. But liberalism has played a role in the cultural and economic downfall of blacks in this country, I genuinely believe that. I don't believe it because I hate liberalism, that's backwards. It's because I believe (I know for a certainty) that liberalism has been disastrous, that's why I hate liberalism.

Liberals want blacks to stay on welfare, and to be angry at those that are responsible for their lot in life. Conservatives want to teach blacks how to help themselves, so they can escape poverty once and for all.

It's that simple. And you can't make it sinister, no matter how hard you, or Paul, try.

The Dad Fisherman
09-23-2016, 11:57 AM
And while Charlotte is in total disarray, our Commander in Chief was on Good Morning America today talking about.......his new museum dedicated to his legacy.

Great Friggin Leadership right there....
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Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 12:04 PM
And while Charlotte is in total disarray, our Commander in Chief was on Good Morning America today talking about.......his new museum dedicated to his legacy.

Great Friggin Leadership right there....
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He has an uncanny ability to forget what his job is supposed to be...what a wasted opportunity we gave him.

detbuch
09-23-2016, 12:07 PM
Not just welfare. But liberalism has played a role in the cultural and economic downfall of blacks in this country, I genuinely believe that.

"Liberals" would disagree with you Jim. "Liberals" would probably have a different notion of culture and economics than you probably have. Culture, for a "liberal," is flexible, fluid, and constantly changing. Supposedly, all cultures for a "liberal" are to be tolerated, even promoted. Of course, that's not really true, but "liberals" believe that's true. And, anyway, it doesn't matter if it's true or not since all cultures will change and disappear anyway. In fact, "liberals" probably believe that being open and loving to all cultures would soften the hard edges of any that might not quite fit with the others. And, with a bit of societal (government) "assistance," the hard edge ones would be transformed to the better. The "better" being what they believe is better. Finally, all the cultures would disappear eventually, even with a bit of government regulation to help their way to extinction.

As for economics, you should know by now that "liberals" have a different notion of economics than you probably have. Whether they admit it or not, their notion of economic well being is not having as much stuff as you personally can afford. There is an inherent inequality in that sort of consumerism. All things should be distributed evenly, including health care as well as all the things that they consider necessary.

The fact that you might be more capable of acquiring wealth should not redound to your personal well being or to your desire for personal luxury. Your talents and abilities should benefit the well being of society at large, and the fruits of your abilities should equally be enjoyed by all. And you, personally, in return will gain not only the appreciation of society, but will be rewarded equally with all the benefits that society has to offer.

"Liberals" would consider welfare an equalization of the distribution of stuff--for the benefit of society. It would be, probably, a temporary fix not to just get some back on their feet, as your notion might be, but at least a temporary societal adjustment until the government assists us all into a truly egalitarian society where welfare would not be needed because everyone will automatically share in the good that society has to offer. In a sense, everybody will be on the greatest, most generous and equally distributed welfare system society has to offer. It will be an economic transformation that eliminates the friction between cultures (most of which, if not all, will have dissolved through government assistance), and will, if disseminated worldwide, end war, famine, human misery in general.

And "Liberals" obviously are not concerned by government debt. That is debt that the people owe to themselves. At least that will be so when the extinction of inequality (income or otherwise) is achieved. Those to whom money is owed will understand that forgiveness of that debt is a forgiveness that they will participate in. After all, they will automatically be given all the good, what's left of it, that society has to offer equally as it is given to everyone else.

So the temporary malfunctions which you call a "downfall" in so-called minority communities is a prerequisite to the coming change. Rather than hating what has happened to blacks under "liberalism," you should appreciate that it is a step toward the coming necessary equality. The upheavals occurring should be assisted in order to stimulate the necessary change in the distribution of society's goods

I don't believe it because I hate liberalism, that's backwards. It's because I believe (I know for a certainty) that liberalism has been disastrous, that's why I hate liberalism.

I think that there is a widespread confusion about what "liberal" means. Most people attribute concepts such as liberty, tolerance, equality, and such good things to what is called modern political liberalism. Actually, it is not liberal in those ways. Those good things are restricted by "liberal" government's regulations. And, probably, necessarily so.

To be truly liberal in the fullest sense would verge on anarchy. If one is truly flexible, tolerant, accepting of all things, one would have no stable foundation for a process of living. Certainly, such a thing as liberal government would be a contradiction. Liberalism can function only in smaller more personal doses. Society at large needs some method of cooperation to exist.

The present method of political liberalism is not liberal in its application. As it is applied, it is very authoritarian. It is somewhat liberal in its approach. It doesn't adhere to any foundational principles. It legislates and adjudicates at will and fancy--by various personal notions of good and justice and so-called equality. However, if there is any observable direction of modern political liberalism, it is toward an authoritarian state which is forming through a process of destruction of the constitutional order by a series of "crises" that is herded by "liberal" helpers and by temporary "fixes," legislative and judicial, which head us into a sort of benevolent dictatorship.

I don't think you hate actual liberalism. Try the word Progressivism. That has a more distinct meaning.

spence
09-23-2016, 12:08 PM
And while Charlotte is in total disarray, our Commander in Chief was on Good Morning America today talking about.......his new museum dedicated to his legacy.

Great Friggin Leadership right there....
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They were at the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture where he was interviewed about the racial unrest.

I'm sure you're not a rabid GMA viewer so I'll assume your bigoted remark was in error.

buckman
09-23-2016, 12:10 PM
They were at the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture where he was interviewed about the racial unrest.

I'm sure you're not a rabid GMA viewer so I'll assume your bigoted remark was in error.

How was his remark bigoted ?
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The Dad Fisherman
09-23-2016, 12:16 PM
How was his remark bigoted ?
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Exactly...
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The Dad Fisherman
09-23-2016, 01:23 PM
They were at the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture where he was interviewed about the racial unrest.

I'm sure you're not a rabid GMA viewer so I'll assume your bigoted remark was in error.

Now we know why there's so much racial tension in the country.

Congratulations on being part of the problem instead of part of the solution
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Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 02:26 PM
How was his remark bigoted ?
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Because to a liberal, any and all criticism of liberalism is racist.

They don't want to win the debate anymore, they want to cancel the debate.

That remark right there, is why Trump won the nomination. Republicans are fed up with getting called a racist, and they want someone will say tell the race huckster (pence in this case), to STFU. That has tremendous appeal.

wdmso
09-23-2016, 02:56 PM
"More about his information blaming of the welfare system for the past 50 years for the current issues "

WDMSO, a lot of people agree with that. Not just welfare. But liberalism has played a role in the cultural and economic downfall of blacks in this country, I genuinely believe that. I don't believe it because I hate liberalism, that's backwards. It's because I believe (I know for a certainty) that liberalism has been disastrous, that's why I hate liberalism.

Liberals want blacks to stay on welfare, and to be angry at those that are responsible for their lot in life. Conservatives want to teach blacks how to help themselves, so they can escape poverty once and for all.

It's that simple. And you can't make it sinister, no matter how hard you, or Paul, try.

I dont have to make anything Sinister.. your doing fine all by yourself

Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 03:10 PM
I think that there is a widespread confusion about what "liberal" means. Most people attribute concepts such as liberty, tolerance, equality, and such good things to what is called modern political liberalism. Actually, it is not liberal in those ways. Those good things are restricted by "liberal" government's regulations. And, probably, necessarily so.

To be truly liberal in the fullest sense would verge on anarchy. If one is truly flexible, tolerant, accepting of all things, one would have no stable foundation for a process of living. Certainly, such a thing as liberal government would be a contradiction. Liberalism can function only in smaller more personal doses. Society at large needs some method of cooperation to exist.

The present method of political liberalism is not liberal in its application. As it is applied, it is very authoritarian. It is somewhat liberal in its approach. It doesn't adhere to any foundational principles. It legislates and adjudicates at will and fancy--by various personal notions of good and justice and so-called equality. However, if there is any observable direction of modern political liberalism, it is toward an authoritarian state which is forming through a process of destruction of the constitutional order by a series of "crises" that is herded by "liberal" helpers and by temporary "fixes," legislative and judicial, which head us into a sort of benevolent dictatorship.

I don't think you hate actual liberalism. Try the word Progressivism. That has a more distinct meaning.

"Most people attribute concepts such as liberty, tolerance, equality, and such good things to what is called modern political liberalism"

That's how people who call themselves liberal, describe liberalism. The convenient thing about describing your beliefs that way, is that it allows you to describe everyone who disagrees with you, as being opposed to those good things, and thus the other side is naturally inferior.

"Culture, for a "liberal," is flexible, fluid, and constantly changing"

Oh, it's changing all right, it gets nuttier and nuttier all the time. 5 years ago, if I told you that it would be controversial to say "if you have a wee wee, I think you should use the men's room", you would have laughed it me. But thanks to "progress", here we are. Yippee.

"you should know by now that "liberals" have a different notion of economics than you probably have"

Oh, I agree. I look at the economic situation that blacks are enduring, and my heart breaks. When liberals (progressives) look at that, they say "see, our economic plan works". I will go to my grave wondering if that is working as they intended - are progressives that sinister? Or are they that oblivious as to what is happening?

"So the temporary malfunctions which you call a "downfall" in so-called minority communities is a prerequisite to the coming change"

How long does the collapse have to last, before we can say it's not temporary?

"I don't think you hate actual liberalism. Try the word Progressivism. That has a more distinct meaning"

Agreed. I just don't bother to make those distinctions.

"the fruits of your abilities should equally be enjoyed by all. And you, personally, in return will gain not only the appreciation of society"

Yes, and as we all know, Progressives are just falling all over themselves to appreciate those who have achieved success. Progressives aren't trying to divide us along these lines by calling them the "one percenters", and claiming that they "don't pay their fair share", heavens no.

Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 03:15 PM
I dont have to make anything Sinister.. your doing fine all by yourself

Let me make sure I have this straight. When I look at what's going on in our cities, and if I conclude (1) blacks deserve better, and (2) whatever we have been doing for these people, it isn't working. If I conclude those two things, you say I am sinister.

Got it, that makes tons of sense, and it isn't crazy at all.

Again, instead of demonizing me, how about telling us what I said, exactly, that is incorrect??

wdmso
09-23-2016, 04:49 PM
Let me make sure I have this straight. When I look at what's going on in our cities, and if I conclude (1) blacks deserve better, and (2) whatever we have been doing for these people, it isn't working. If I conclude those two things, you say I am sinister.

Got it, that makes tons of sense, and it isn't crazy at all.

Again, instead of demonizing me, how about telling us what I said, exactly, that is incorrect??

your message is the issue.. your very simplistic view on the reason and the method and manner on how the cities got the way they are and your only solution for a fix.. is to scream Republican ! They are and have always been part of the problem :kewl:

wdmso
09-23-2016, 04:55 PM
What don't you get ? Although blacks only comprise about 13% of the population they commit a much much larger percentage of crimes then do whites and Hispanics and this would increase the number of police encounters .
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Police killed at least 102 unarmed black people do you understand we are taking unarmed

or is the above your skittle like
analogy.. for the police

if 3 out the 13% might have a gun shoot 1st ??

Sea Dangles
09-23-2016, 04:55 PM
Spence has an uncanny way of displaying ignorance and then hiding. You will not get an explanation that justifies his nonsensical remark.
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Jim in CT
09-23-2016, 04:58 PM
your message is the issue.. your very simplistic view on the reason and the method and manner on how the cities got the way they are and your only solution for a fix.. is to scream Republican ! They are and have always been part of the problem :kewl:

It's not simple, it's complicated.

It's actually simple, and understandable if you don't have any knowledge of events, to embrace liberalism. It's simple to say "it's good for the poor if we take from the rich and give to the poor, even give aid to the ones who are capable of working". I used to believe that, because it sounds un-assailable.

WDMSO, do you deny that we need to do something very different for poor blacks?

Again, you "tell" me I'm wrong, but you provide zero specifics. Just saying "you are wrong" isn't really evidence that I am actually wrong.


Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a very liberal Democrat senator from NY. Red his report on what he aid liberal welfare was going to do to blacks, and why. He wrote it 40 years ago. He was exactly right.



But then you look at what is happening, EVERYWHERE that is being tried. It's a disaster. So I conclude that it doesn't work.

spence
09-23-2016, 06:00 PM
Spence has an uncanny way of displaying ignorance and then hiding. You will not get an explanation that justifies his nonsensical remark.
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Dots, connect dots.

Sea Dangles
09-23-2016, 09:07 PM
The riddler strikes again
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wdmso
09-24-2016, 07:02 AM
It's not simple, it's complicated.

It's actually simple, and understandable if you don't have any knowledge of events, to embrace liberalism. It's simple to say "it's good for the poor if we take from the rich and give to the poor, even give aid to the ones who are capable of working". I used to believe that, because it sounds un-assailable.

WDMSO, do you deny that we need to do something very different for poor blacks?

Again, you "tell" me I'm wrong, but you provide zero specifics. Just saying "you are wrong" isn't really evidence that I am actually wrong.


Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a very liberal Democrat senator from NY. Red his report on what he aid liberal welfare was going to do to blacks, and why. He wrote it 40 years ago. He was exactly right.



But then you look at what is happening, EVERYWHERE that is being tried. It's a disaster. So I conclude that it doesn't work.


Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who arenít working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States

ecduzitgood
09-24-2016, 07:33 AM
Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who arenít working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States
Pretty interesting. What is your source I would like to research this also.
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buckman
09-24-2016, 08:07 AM
Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who arenít working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States

You need to add all the benifits together to get an accurate tally, other then that I agree with you and that is one of the reasons I am voting for change .
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