I need some help with this one and thought maybe someone here could help...these Hillary supporters didn't help.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/watters-world-clinton-rally-edition-005743286.html

These companies apparently have reasons to support Hillary....
http://observer.com/2016/09/breaking-dem-convention-finally-reveals-its-list-of-corporate-influence-buyers/
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I guess even Spence can't come up with reasons to support Hillary.
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He only defends.
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If you want to increase the number of voters for your candidate I would think giving reasons to support them works better than just defending them or to put it other terms, don't just put lipstick on the pig tell us why they aren't a pig.
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Sometimes that's all you got
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I dunno, not a huge Hillary supporter. As far as Trump is concerned...
in '62 my dad had the car packed to go to a fall out shelter during the Cuban missile crisis. 50% chance we had a nuclear war then. If it were
Trump on the trigger, more like 90. Case closed.

I dunno, not a huge Hillary supporter. As far as Trump is concerned...
in '62 my dad had the car packed to go to a fall out shelter during the Cuban missile crisis. 50% chance we had a nuclear war then. If it were
Trump on the trigger, more like 90. Case closed.

You've made an accusation. You did not make a case.

heard a Hillary supporting talking head explain the other day that they were frustrated that Hillary's primary message as to why someone should support her is that she's "not Trump"....problem is that each time she tries to characterize Trump as a misogynist....Bill and all of his dirty deeds pop up..... as unstable....she keels over somewhere....as reckless.....more emails are released.....as an advantaged rich white guy....her ties to wall street and the advantaged super rich are shown....as crooked....we're reminded that she leads the league and has set the bar very high/or low, depending on how you view it..
......don't know about the story running on Drudge but now Bill Clinton's "son" has popped up?...apparently if Obama had a son he'd look like Bill Clinton's son? which I guess makes sense because Bill Clinton was actually our first black president......this too funny and gets more amusing all the time...which I guess is the point of reality TV...and WIKI leak is set to drop the big one? :lurk:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/17/watch-pro-hillary-college-students-try-name-some-her-accomplishments?ref=yfp
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I dunno, not a huge Hillary supporter. As far as Trump is concerned...
in '62 my dad had the car packed to go to a fall out shelter during the Cuban missile crisis. 50% chance we had a nuclear war then. If it were
Trump on the trigger, more like 90. Case closed.


Would you rather have a president that was willing to defend the country or one that was willing to sell it out??

Some may find this a reason to support her.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/18/dan-bongino-secret-service-hillary-threat-republic-elitist-snob-abedin?ref=yfp
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none that I know of unless you want corrupt big gov't and the status quo of the obamination. they both suck - it's more about platforms for me.

If three quarters of the country feels we are heading in the wrong direction, then why is it that half the country will vote for her? I guess they are voting with emotions and not their brains, or they are listening to the biased media, or they have no clue what it takes to lead a country with strong leadership. If Clinton wins, our leadership will be weaker not stronger and it will be the end of this Republic. :(

If three quarters of the country feels we are heading in the wrong direction, then why is it that half the country will vote for her? (

Because the other guy is no prize either...

and they are subscribing to the "The Devil you know is better than the Devil you don't" philosophy

So people know she is a liar and corrupt, but willing to go with more of the same as opposed to someone who still believes in the rule of law. I get it, the moral compass is tilted.:doh:

If three quarters of the country feels we are heading in the wrong direction, then why is it that half the country will vote for her?

Because she's the only major party candidate on the ballot who answers to the description of "sane and responsible adult". That's
about it. The other candidate, as his debate performances have shown, does not.

Because she's the only major party candidate on the ballot who answers to the description of "sane and responsible adult". That's
about it. The other candidate, as his debate performances have shown, does not.

The FBI didn't label Hillary as responsible, they labeled her reckless. Didn't someone on her staff inquire about if she knew what planet she is on.


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No doubt about it. Under any other circumstances, against any other candidate, it would likely cost her the election. But this is no ordinary other candidate.

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I don't typically like to discuss politics, it's a good way to loose friends and make enemy's. I don't like Hilary, but Trump is a loose cannon and he can't keep his foot out of his mouth long enough to speak to the issues. He comes across as a narcissistic, egotistical, 13 year old in a suit. Last night i was just waiting for him to yell I am rubber and you are glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

I am personally embarrassed as an American, that the world is seeing that these two clowns are the best of the best and this is what is is store for the USA.

Makes me want to vomit, what a said state of affairs and if I have to watch one more negative ad; I think I'm trashing the TV remote.

heard Juan Williams whining that he's horrified that Trump is telling his supporters that the system is rigged and stacked against them...

ummmm Juan...

that's what Democrats tell their supporters every election cycle :crying:

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I am personally embarrassed as an American, that the world is seeing that these two clowns are the best of the best and this is what is is store for the USA

Couldn't have said it better myself
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I don't typically like to discuss politics, it's a good way to loose friends and make enemy's.

I agree that it's difficult, usually impossible to discuss politics with someone, even a friend, who disagrees with you. Probably because politics is so important that most take it personally rather than objectively. An objective view would require a mutual understanding of the purpose of government. If that understanding cannot be mutual, but is a contest between personal points of view, then discussion is fruitless at best, bitterly argumentative at worst.

Unfortunately, most don't have a clear position on what government is, why we need it or don't, and how a nation of diverse individuals can all equally be served by it, if they are to be served at all. Even more unfortunate, most have fuzzy notions which are disconnected from foundational principles and which are reduced by politicians and the media who support them to government as an undefinable top down force which ensures their personal well-being--however and in which way government wishes to do so.

If we can get past the divide between your notion of personal well-being and mine, between your version of what government is and mine, what is left is a personality contest.

I don't like Hilary, but Trump is a loose cannon and he can't keep his foot out of his mouth long enough to speak to the issues. He comes across as a narcissistic, egotistical, 13 year old in a suit. Last night i was just waiting for him to yell I am rubber and you are glue, anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Actually, he has spoken to issues, when he didn't have to rebut personal attacks. And he is not as loose a cannon as Hillary is a tightly wound robot. But his personality obviously rubs you the wrong way. That's what happens when elections become a personality contest and we vote on manufactured issues rather than on who will best govern by mutually agreed upon principles.

I am personally embarrassed as an American, that the world is seeing that these two clowns are the best of the best and this is what is is store for the USA.

Makes me want to vomit, what a said state of affairs and if I have to watch one more negative ad; I think I'm trashing the TV remote.

I don't find it difficult to decide on how to vote. I am not embarrassed as an American what the world thinks of our "clowns." The "world's" elites often think of all Americans as clowns. They do appreciate our military and monetary aid, but still consider us as clowns--powerful and rich clowns. Actually, our own American elites think of the rest of us as either clowns or useful idiots.

And I don't give a rat's butt about the two personalities running for President. The long history of our long line of Presidents is sprinkled with clowns, at least in the opinion of those who didn't, or don't, like them, but many who served the country well. Like the Rolling Stones said:

"You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime you find
You get what you need"

I find it easy, and imperative that we need, if we wish to preserve American foundational principles, to vote for the candidate who is most likely to do that. And if you think that candidate is Hillary, you have a different idea of what government is for than I do.

Unfortunately the person I felt had the most promise didn't make it to the big show and what are my choices? On the one hand we have a women I don't trust and gives us business as usual, or a man I wouldn't trust alone with my sister, my girlfriend or my money. Two very bad choices IMHO and Election Day can't come soon enough for me.
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Unfortunately the person I felt had the most promise didn't make it to the big show and what are my choices? On the one hand we have a women I don't trust and gives us business as usual, or a man I wouldn't trust alone with my sister, my girlfriend or my money. Two very bad choices IMHO and Election Day can't come soon enough for me.
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I absolutely understand your dilemma. But one of the two is going to be President.

I don't think you have to worry about either of them being alone with your sister, or your girlfriend. As far as your money goes, neither of them personally needs it. One of them has promised to spend more of the nation's money than the other. But the President, alone, can't run up the nation's debt. It takes Congress to abet or instigate the squandering of our wealth.

It seems that Democrat Congress people and most Republican Congress types would prefer to run up that debt, if past performance is any indication. And a lot of the Repub Congress folks seem like they would rather "work" with Hillary than with Trump even though he has proposed very "conservative" cabinet members and SCOTUS Judges. Makes you wonder. It seems that, as has been their way, many Repubs would want to continue "business as usual" as you put it.

It seems that Trump is the outsider to the Washington establishment. And if that establishment in its current form fears the outsider, that is an indication that it wants to continue "business as usual."

My opinion, if it is of any help with your dilemma, is that being concerned with what our government, in principle, really is, would be more of a concern than the personality of the candidates. Ask yourself what you really and fundamentally want your Federal Government to be. And consider how every American, regardless of how different they may be from you, can equally be served by government as you define it. Consider how much power you want government to have in defining your life. Be real, don't submit to platitudes that sound nice. What is it that you most fundamentally want from government, what abides from day to day, year to year, generation to generation, not that which may or may not temporarily plug a hole in the dike but that which guarantees a dike that is impenetrable against a government that rules beyond the limits that you think are just and viable for the well being of all our people.

If you believe that government should be able to do whatever it wishes and even to define what our "rights" are in order to make our lives viable, happy, and free, then you could probably consider Hillary the better of a bad choice.

If you want the Federal Government to be limited to defined duties, and that you have "rights" beyond the reach of government, and you want to define your own life so long as it doesn't take away someone else's right to do so, you could most likely consider Trump as the preferable odious choice.

And if you want a change from business as usual, which is more likely to make that happen, the outsider or the insider?

I think, if past is prologue, that if Hillary is elected, things will progress as usual at an even faster rate. With Trump, that may or may not happen. But the foreboding is that there will be conflict between Trumpers and the status quo. And it would be difficult for the Republicans, if they hold Congress, to refuse his SCOTUS nominations, which may be our last hope of stopping business as usual from finally achieving government by, of, and for government, rather than government by, of and for the People.

You've made an accusation. You did not make a case.


Accusations is all most have have provided against Hilliary for months

yet you are 1 of the few that have made the case For as to why Trump would be a better Choice (one issue) which is your choice.. I choose not to take a narrow view of the next 4 years
yet I clearly understand the Potus is not the issue its congress if either win its congress who will make the difference.. if they choose to do anything

He is unfit just by this statement alone

Donald Trump Says He'll Accept The Results Of The Election ... If He Wins

I am voting for Hillary because she is the best qualified choice of the 2 in a huge spectrum over Trump

you dont hire a plumber to wire your your house

yet some are willing to hire a foul mouth wrecking ball operator to FIX the Washington establishment... because he thinks The Potus can say your Fired !!

giving Hillary the power of the Presidency is like hiring a known pedophile to run your day care and hire the staff....whatever crazy stuff Donald may say....what Hillary will do is far, far worse.....:btu:

I believe it was Obama who said Hilary will say anything and do nothing.
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pretty close....

Obama: "I’m Barack Obama, running for president and I approve this message."

Announcer: "It’s what’s wrong with politics today. Hillary Clinton will say anything to get elected. Now she’s making false attacks on Barack Obama.

"Hillary Clinton. She’ll say anything, and change nothing. It’s time to turn the page. Paid for by Obama for America."


this is still pretty accurate :bl:

Unfortunately the person I felt had the most promise didn't make it to the big show and what are my choices? On the one hand we have a women I don't trust and gives us business as usual, or a man I wouldn't trust alone with my sister, my girlfriend or my money. Two very bad choices IMHO and Election Day can't come soon enough for me.
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"Unfortunately the person I felt had the most promise didn't make it to the big show "

Same for me.

"what are my choices?"

You have the same two wretched choices that I have. I will plug my nose and vote for the one whose policies are more in line with my personal beliefs. We aren't going to be proud of either one.

"a man I wouldn't trust alone with my sister"

He's not seeking to court your sister, he wants to be POTUS. I wouldn't let Bill Clinton alone with my wife either, but he was a pretty decent president IMO.

It would be great to have someone you admire as well as agree with. The GOP nominated two extremely admirable men in the last 2 cycles, and the electorate said "no thanks". This isn't the first time we will be looking at a POTUS whose personal ethics were lacking. I'd rather have a jerk who might improve some things, than a swell guy who is incompetent.

Accusations is all most have have provided against Hilliary for months

yet you are 1 of the few that have made the case For as to why Trump would be a better Choice (one issue) which is your choice.. I choose not to take a narrow view of the next 4 years
yet I clearly understand the Potus is not the issue its congress if either win its congress who will make the difference.. if they choose to do anything

He is unfit just by this statement alone

Donald Trump Says He'll Accept The Results Of The Election ... If He Wins

"Accusations is all most have have provided against Hilliary for months "

Is it merely an accusation to call her a serial liar? How many lies would you like us to cite? Is it an accusation to say that she claimed that 25% of the country is "deplorable"? You specifically asked me for evidence that she is running on hate, I pointed out the deplorables remark, and you dodged. It gets tiresome...

"Donald Trump Says He'll Accept The Results Of The Election ... If He Wins"

Trump is getting a lot of heat for not stating that he'd accept a loss and go away. Have all of you forgotten what happened in 2000? Did Al Gore accept defeat graciously and walk away? Because unless I was hallucinating for a few weeks, I remember him fighting that all the way to the US Supreme Court. But Trump is supposed to promise that he won't do that, 3 weeks out?

With liberals, it's ALWAYS "do as I say, not as I do".

"yet some are willing to hire a foul mouth wrecking ball operator to FIX the Washington establishment... because he thinks The Potus can say your Fired !! "

Is that why his supporters are voting for him? Because he had a catch phrase on a TV show? Or is it because a huge majority of the population thinks the country is heading in the wrong direction?

To me, the most sacred human right is the very right to be born, which is the sine qua non of every other right. If you take that right away from someone, it's hard to then impress that person with offers of free college tuition or free health care.

To a great many people in this country (myself included) the philosophy of liberalism fosters a culture of helplessness and dependency, and robs the individual of initiative, dignity, and freedom. Look at any of our nation's beleaguered inner cities for all the evidence you will ever need of this. Many of us believe that the greatest freedom you can bestow on another person (after the freedom to be alive in the first place) is a good job in a time of economic prosperity.

I'm not expecting you to agree with that definition of human rights. But is it really so hard to even to understand how people can view the world differently than liberals do?

Like you I personally dislike Donald Trump. I think he is a rude, obnoxious boor. But I like him a lot more than I like Hillary Clinton, who for 30 years has proven herself to be a greedy pathological liar on the world stage who will say anything for money or power and a serial enabler of the abuse of women in her private life. How you can regard her as an icon of feminism I'll never know. What feminist would be married to Bill Clinton?

it's remarkable how much the leftists conveniently forget as they get on their high horses sniffing the air above them :lama:

there is either an epidemic of amnesia or a complete lack of self awareness throughout the left...

Trump sucks...but he still has yet to sink below the very low bar set by the Clinton Crime Syndicate

Better get your wallet out...
http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2016/03/17/video-chelsea-clinton-mom-wants-give-obamacare-illegals/
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Accusations is all most have have provided against Hilliary for months

You're replying to my response to hq2 when he said:

"As far as Trump is concerned...in '62 my dad had the car packed to go to a fall out shelter during the Cuban missile crisis. 50% chance we had a nuclear war then. If it were Trump on the trigger, more like 90. Case closed."

When I replied that he had made an accusation but did not make a case, I was referring to his "case closed" comment. If you make an accusation, back it up with actual events not just merely hypothetical postulation.

"Accusations" (if you wish to categorize it that way) against Hillary were references to, and interpretations of, actual events. Cases were made on things that actually happened.

yet you are 1 of the few that have made the case For as to why Trump would be a better Choice (one issue) which is your choice.. I choose not to take a narrow view of the next 4 years

What you claim is my "one issue" is one more politically relevant issue than you have made the case for. But the Supreme Court issue is not the only issue that I have pleaded. I have asked over, and over, in different ways, what form of government do we want, and stated that this election has brought us to a critical point where will be deciding whether we wish to keep what's left of constitutionally limited government or go whole hog into unlimited government. The Supreme Court issue is a part of that, a critical part, but the contest is between Progressivism (unlimited government which grants rights and defines the character of a nation from top down authority) and constitutionalism (defined government limited against trespassing against the unalienable rights of people to define the character of a nation from bottom up authority of the people).

And that is not a "narrow view." That view is about as expansive as a view can get. So far, your view seems to be that Donald Trump is puke, and Hillary is less puke, if at all. That's the only issue that you have made a case for.

yet I clearly understand the Potus is not the issue its congress if either win its congress who will make the difference.. if they choose to do anything

He is unfit just by this statement alone

Donald Trump Says He'll Accept The Results Of The Election ... If He Wins

You've made an accusation. You have not made a case.

The easy answer by Trump would have been , "Yes, I'll abide by the results " . I like how he will double down and stick to his beliefs .
The hypocracy of the media, the Democrats and many in the GOP on this amazes me .
All those that ran against Donald in the primary signed a pledge to support the winner . How did that work out .
Believe me , his stand on this is getting him votes, not losing them.
Besides , everyone with a shred of a brain knows the system has been corrupted.
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I am voting for Hillary because she is the best qualified choice of the 2 in a huge spectrum over Trump

If you care to delineate that huge spectrum, we could debate on it. Otherwise, we conveniently just have to take your word for it. And "qualified" has become a buzzword used to credit or discredit on the basis of personal opinion or group agenda. You might also want to delineate the meaning of "qualified."

you dont hire a plumber to wire your your house

yet some are willing to hire a foul mouth wrecking ball operator to FIX the Washington establishment... because he thinks The Potus can say your Fired !!

There you go with your metaphors again. The first is uninspiring and doesn't "qualify" as a true comparison to electing a President. The second is more passionate and picturesque. But having confidence in the veracity of such a metaphor (or composite of derogatory memes) depends on the confidence one can place on its author's ability to see things clearly and deeply.

My confidence in you being able to create metaphors that truly strike at the heart of an issue has been shaken by so many of your posts. Such as, recalling some off hand, your totally misunderstanding Milo Yannopoulos because you stopped very short of listening to his whole conversation . . . your insistence that a constitutionally guaranteed right against abridgment (the Second Amendment) should have far more restrictions than a constitutionally implied right that is not guaranteed against some restriction (voting) almost that it not be restricted at all . . . your total misunderstanding of Orwell's essay on Nationalism and Patriotism to the point that you didn't see that Nationalism as Orwell described it actually was an indictment of Hillary's Progressivism more than of Trump whom you thought it solely described . . . the total contradiction you unwittingly displayed in one post where you wanted us to listen to the women who were accusing Trump, but in the very same post, the women who were accusing Clinton were to be dismissed (not listened to?) . . . calling O'keefe a "fraud" because of his conviction for the misdemeanor of breaking into Landrieu's office (to which he admitted) when no fraud was committed, if anything it was an attempt to gather truth . . . blaming Trump's rhetoric for the violence and disorder at his rallies, but railing against exposing the plot by Clinton operatives to disrupt those rallies--you support the meme that Trump rhetoric instigates violence but dismiss the truth that much was caused by Clintonites . . . your inability to understand that "interpreting" the Constitution on personal desires for outcomes rather than adhering to constitutional text (the law) is actually rewriting, destroying, the Constitution, not supporting or defending it as is the oath of a Judge to so do, which also casts some subliminal, unconscious, or at best ignorant "fraud" on your own taking of the oath . . . your dismissing the evidence provided by WikiLeaks because of the way it was achieved--killing the messenger syndrome--might work in civil court on statutory grounds, but unconscionable in deciding "qualification" . . . and yet being all shocked by Trumps old disgusting, vulgar words to one person, but not by those who actually exposed and plastered those words in public sight so that all of us could be disgusted, including our sons and daughters to hear words that we would rather they didn't--the messenger is exonerated in that case) . . . your total inability to see comparison's between Hillary's enabling of Bill Cinton's sexual behaviors (which reputedly were more egregious and forced than Trump's) and Trump's behaviors, and the hypocrisy of Hillary being the champion of women's "rights" vs Trump's supposed misogyny . . . and a puzzling, if not stupefying, one, your claim that Trump's comment about voting even if terminally ill was "odd." And nothing more than that--just odd. And, as in the Yannopoulos and Orwell cases, you didn't read or know about the rest--Trump's comment that he was just kidding. And when that was pointed out, you continued to try to paint Trump's comment as some kind of undefinable oddity. You didn't even respond to my example of how it could be compassionate rather than odd. Afterwards, it brought to mind an incident I had some time ago.

While waiting in the checkout line of a grocery store, the woman in front of me and I struck up a conversation. She was there with her husband, who remained a bit glumly silent throughout it. I don't remember how it started. But as it turned out, she was terminally ill with cancer. She was still fairly young, maybe in her thirties and a lot of life that she could have looked forward to if she didn't have the cancer. It was very evident that she was afraid and separated from the life around her because of her illness.

I don't remember how it came to me to say to her that I was also terminal. Her eyes lit up, and for that brief time she shined out of her own emotionally outcast sorrow to, in an upbeat if not hopeful tone, ask me if I had cancer too. I said no, but that we are all terminal, eventually. She laughed and said I had made her day. Her husband was quiet, distant from our conversation, and they left, she with a smiling glance at me as they departed with a full basket of groceries.

I'll never forget that brief encounter. And I'll always remember how her connection with someone, and thereby with everyone, at least momentarily, not only gave her comfort, but enough meaning for the rest of the day, so that she could shop for groceries or do any of the other normal stuff to fill her brief remaining existence.

What is so odd about including a terminally ill person in the normal things that existence is made of? Should we put them aside, disconnected with life, insist that they should not trouble themselves with involvement in our daily living? For certain, we should love them and show them that love, perhaps even more than we would if they were not ill. But wouldn't it also be a comfort to them if they were encouraged to join the rest of us in doing what we normally do. Wouldn't it be a comfort to be a part of humanity rather than a pampered outcast, ultimately alone in knowing they will soon be dead?

Yeah, I have reason not to trust your metaphors.

If Trump gets in, might be more than stains on a blue dress. He might not be the "white Bill Cosby" of corporate America (very long line ahead of him I'm sure), but clearly he has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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If Trump gets in, might be more than stains on a blue dress. He might not be the "white Bill Cosby" of corporate America (very long line ahead of him I'm sure), but clearly he has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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Yeah, but if he gets in, and has to step down, Pence would be President. In my view, a better outcome than if power hungry therefor absolutely corrupted person gets in.

but clearly he (Trump) has alienated a large majority of the women voters. Both fit the statement, power corrupts absolutely.
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Why hasn't Bill Clinton alienated at least as many women voters? By what logic does a liberal still support Bill Clinton (he remains enormously popular with liberals) and bash Trump for his treatment of women?

Hilary, for decades, has enabled her husband's predation, denied that it existed, and attacked the character of his victims, referring top them as "looney tunes", "bimbo", and "trailer trash".

I don't see how the party that worships at the feet of the Kennedys and the Clintons, has the chutzpah to claim the moral high ground on feminism. What kind of feminist, exactly, marries Bill Clinton?

Unless someone can explain to me why Bill deserves a pass while Trump is labeled sexist, I will chalk it up to one (of many) example of liberal hypocrisy, made possible by their partners in the media.

Why hasn't Bill Clinton alienated at least as many women voters?


because they don't care what the Clinton's did to women...you remember all of the nonsense....constantly move the goal post...that's what the left does....if Hillary was accused of some sexual assault or issue and Trump was accused of some email security/scandal....the media would be freaking about Trump's disqualification on the basis whatever the evidence was and they'd be telling us Hillary's sexual issues are irrelevant and they'd assist in attacking any accusers...it's the essence of leftism...

Shouldn't a presidential candidate at least wear a US flag pin to show their support for our country. This video is entertaining in some of the points it makes.

https://youtu.be/ewRk6QBWpLU
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yet some are willing to hire a foul mouth wrecking ball operator to FIX the Washington establishment... because he thinks The Potus can say your Fired !!


Andrew Jackson


Observers likened him to a volcano, and only the most intrepid or recklessly curious cared to see it erupt.... His close associates all had stories of his blood-curling oaths, his summoning of the Almighty to loose His wrath upon some miscreant, typically followed by his own vow to hang the villain or blow him to perdition. Given his record – in duels, brawls, mutiny trials, and summary hearings – listeners had to take his vows seriously.

On the last day of the presidency, Jackson admitted that he had but two regrets, that he "had been unable to shoot Henry Clay or to hang John C. Calhoun."

Jackson decided to run for president in 1824. Although he got a plurality in both electoral and popular vote against three major candidates, Jackson failed to get a majority and lost in the House of Representatives to John Quincy Adams. Jackson claimed that he lost by a "corrupt bargain" between Adams and Speaker of the House Henry Clay, who was also a candidate, to give Clay the office of Secretary of State in exchange for Adams winning the presidency.

it's the essence of leftism...

Yep Hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty...

The wrecking ball label is more appropriately applied to Hillary who will appoint supreme court justices that will destroy the freedom the Constitution currently gives the citizens. This election goes far beyond the next 4 to 8 years in regards to the potential effect on our freedoms. Trump, while not being the most eloquent of speakers does at least have the intention to try and make changes that many people or more specifically citizens find attractive. He wants term limits for legislators, actual enforcement of our immigration laws, slowing the flow of Syrian refugees (many of whom strongly oppose our way of life and liberty, we are after all infidels in their system of belief).
Here is a link to see some of his intentions.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues
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As I said this is the race from hell and for the first time I voted early today, but didn't cast my vote for president; which is a sad commentary on this election.

Thought I'd share an interesting Trump story, which was relayed to me by a Hilton exec I happened to join today at Pine Hills for a round of golf today, with a couple of his other retired buddies. He was sitting in at a corporate meeting Trump and his daughter had in Europe involving golf with Hilton execs part of the development. In this meeting Dad didn't like what Ivanka was saying and he turned to her and told her to shut your mouth C**t. Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.

I've never been so concerned about where this country is going after a presidential election than I am at this point.

As I said this is the race from hell and for the first time I voted early today, but didn't cast my vote for president; which is a sad commentary on this election.

Thought I'd share an interesting Trump story, which was relayed to me by a Hilton exec I happened to join today at Pine Hills for a round of golf today, with a couple of his other retired buddies. He was sitting in at a corporate meeting Trump and his daughter had in Europe involving golf with Hilton execs part of the development. In this meeting Dad didn't like what Ivanka was saying and he turned to her and told her to shut your mouth C**t. Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.

I've never been so concerned about where this country is going after a presidential election than I am at this point.

Hilton being a competitor of Trump might have something to do with this . I find this story appalling and probably not true
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Doubt it, I'm a pretty good judge of character and this story was a real accounting. But remember if she weren't his daughter, he'd do her, so not much of a stretch for him.
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Can't imagine saying that to my daughter, my mother, my girlfriend, a friends bitch of a wife or even my X-wife. That is the absolute worst four letter insult as a man you can say to any woman.



You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

Spence and Huma disappeared right around the same time....:huh:

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

#^&#^&#^&#^&....my kids are screwed then. :hee:

I know LeBron says nobody uses that kind of language....

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

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only if you are a republican :tooth:

I never realized that having a potty mouth disqualified a person from being a good parent.

#^&#^&#^&#^&....my kids are screwed then. :hee:

I know LeBron says nobody uses that kind of language....

I thought you said you recognized sarcasm?

I thought you said you recognized sarcasm?

I do, which is why I replied with the same :hee:

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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depends on what the meaning of the word "using" is......:faga:

I've heard reliable reports of Hillary using the male equivalent many times but that's ok
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My next door neighbor is good friends with a auto repair shop in NY, where the Clintons have their compound. They get secret service vehicles in all the time.
He's told me plenty of stories of Hillary and how she talks to and treats secret service.
They can't stand her !!!
She talks far worse than any guy !!!
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You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though.

Directed at me presumably.

I concede it is the ugliest word you can direct at a woman. Which is exactly why I use it very rarely, but use it gleefully, to describe Hillary. I wasn't aware that using vile vocabulary to describe a vile person, means I'm not a good dad. But you have a right to that opinion, wrong-headed as it may be.

Spence and Huma disappeared right around the same time....:huh:

I think Spence launched a one-man jihad against Julian Assange.

You should come around more often. IT has been used here. Members here also use it on FB.

I'm sure they are good parents though. Wow I guess you and I have two very different views of what respectful treatment of you children entails; calling my daughter a c**t in a meeting to shut her the f up isn't one of them.

I also have to say, what a hoot it was seeing Melania's speach, basically describing her husband to a "T" as to what is wrong with the way people treat each other in this country, just so ironic.

Again, sad I can't vote for either on of this nuts, one I can't trust to bankcrupt us and the other I can't trust to bring us to the brink of a major war.

it's a sad state....

think of it this way...

trump being trump is trump making obnoxious/offensive statements

hillary being hillary is hillary(and bill as we were told they were co-presidents the first time around and there is no reason that should change) plundering government and commiting crimes

regarding obnoxious/offensive statements...in many cases we're told we're just supposed to live with it...Obama was trying to link Trump with the KKK in front of black audiences yesterday...that's both obnoxious and offensive and on tape....Jay Z dropped about a million n-bombs at a hillary rally yesterday....that's also pretty offensive

if you listened to a few of the songs my oldest daughter listens to on a regular basis..trump might sound pretty hip

however...we have a highly politicized 'justice department' running interference for the clinton crime syndicate....that will not change if she is elected, in fact, knowing the clintons...they'll be emboldened....the corruption of the government cannot continue if we are to function as a nation but certainly will if she wins

I guess I'm in a similar situation at 63 that my parents or their parents were in at a later stage of life. It's not just this election, why I watch the news is beyond me, because every day its one more "I can't fing believe it" news story.

Then it's the behavior of the youth I see coming off white horse beach where we have the pleasure of living close enough, so all the public parking is up and down our street. We do a clean up every so often, because we just can't stand looking at the baby diapers, the needles, cases of empty beer, beat up coolers and I'm lucky enough on occasion to stop them in the act of throwing empties in my neighbors yards (always a fun time). Work ethic, respectful behavior, honesty, seem to be going by the board and are being replaced with youth that feel entitled and anything but respectful.

Shootings, road rage, terrorist attacks, middle east, north Korea, weather extremes, the list of depressing news stories is endless. We had a 45 year old high school teacher buy a cottage across the street from us and she has never had a TV and has no interest in watching the news and after watching the nightly news; I think maybe she is on to something.

Love my time on the golf course or on the water, because you need it now a days to purge out all the negative crap you are exposed to day in and day out.