View Full Version : Trump lays out hike in military spending


wdmso
02-27-2017, 11:32 AM
"It will include an historic increase in defence spending to rebuild the depleted military of the United States of America at a time we most need it," he said.

"We're going to start spending on infrastructure big," he said

build a wall

Hire 15,000 Border Patrol And ICE Agents

Cut Taxes

The blueprint also calls for deep cuts elsewhere, including to foreign assistance and environmental budgets. but has yet to say how he is going to pay for all theses things Trump the pied piper who fooled a nation


Military spending increase not needed another distraction

foreign assistance another distraction

Trump Making American businesses rich again the fleecing of America

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 12:08 PM
"It will include an historic increase in defence spending to rebuild the depleted military of the United States of America at a time we most need it," he said.

"We're going to start spending on infrastructure big," he said

build a wall

Hire 15,000 Border Patrol And ICE Agents

Cut Taxes

The blueprint also calls for deep cuts elsewhere, including to foreign assistance and environmental budgets. but has yet to say how he is going to pay for all theses things Trump the pied piper who fooled a nation


Military spending increase not needed another distraction

foreign assistance another distraction

Trump Making American businesses rich again the fleecing of America

"Trump Making American businesses rich again the fleecing of America"

Did the folks at Carrier, whose jobs got saved (after Obama specifically said they could not be saved) get fleeced?

Of course, there is such a thing as being too worried about helping business, I guess. As anyone who lives in the state of CT knows, there is also such a thing as being too hostile to business.

Have you ever worked in the private sector? Were you horribly mistreated?

Favorable conditions allow companies to grow, to hire more people, to make more money, SOME of which goes to the rank-and-file employees. Maybe not as much as you would like. But all things being equal, the more money a business makes, the better off its employees are. Liberals cannot seem to concede that.

scottw
02-27-2017, 01:40 PM
Trump is growing the military for when he conquers the universe :nailem:

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 01:48 PM
Trump is growing the military for when he conquers the universe :nailem:

I thought he left went off the deep end when Bush was in office, and when Sarah Palin was the VP candidate. That was nothing compared to what we now see on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS., and MSNBC.

Not that long ago, it was not controversial (certainly not "intolerant") if I said "I think that men should use the mens room, and that women should use the women's room". Now I am accused of intolerance for saying that.

Not a pretty turn of events.

PaulS
02-27-2017, 02:40 PM
I thought he left went off the deep end when Bush was in office, and when Sarah Palin was the VPI still don't know how she had time to run for VP given that the spent so much time reading "all of them" when asked what papers she read daily. candidate. That was nothing compared to what we now see on CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS., and MSNBC.

Not that long ago, it was not controversial (certainly not "intolerant") if I said "I think that men should use the mens room, and that women should use the women's room". Now I am accused of intolerance for saying that.

Not a pretty turn of events.

Never had we had a Pres. who seems like a patholgogical liar, spreads misinformation, has such anti Muslim sentiment, seems to accept ethical lapses, deprecates woman and the handcapped, etc. His cabinet picks in some cases where ignorant of the responsibilites/duties of the position. He demonizes the Press (when has any other President referred to a group of Americans as "the enemy"). We still don't know if he has any financial interests in Russia and why he seems to be buddying up to them. Not one of those things has anything to do w/any of his policies.

A question - if there was a male who identified as a female and dressed as a female, would you rather have them go into a men's or a woman's bathroom?

Nebe
02-27-2017, 02:43 PM
In order to drain the swamp, you have to blow it up first.
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wdmso
02-27-2017, 03:25 PM
"Trump Making American businesses rich again the fleecing of America"

Did the folks at Carrier, whose jobs got saved (after Obama specifically said they could not be saved) get fleeced? you keep saying that Trump did it... he did nothing ... trump wasn't even in office Pence gave the a tax break "Carrier Will Receive $7 Million in Tax Breaks to Keep Jobs in Indiana..

Of course, there is such a thing as being too worried about helping business, I guess. As anyone who lives in the state of CT knows, there is also such a thing as being too hostile to business.

Have you ever worked in the private sector? Were you horribly mistreated?

Favorable conditions allow companies to grow, to hire more people, to make more money, SOME of which goes to the rank-and-file employees. Maybe not as much as you would like. But all things being equal, the more money a business makes, the better off its employees are. thats how it was in the 50's 60's that ship has sailed... nothing goes back to the worker ... Liberals cannot seem to concede that. because its not a true more fantasy

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 03:40 PM
more fantasy

"you keep saying that Trump did it... he did nothing"

No, Obama did nothing (except to say it could not be done, and mocked Trump for bragging he could do it). Trump called Carrier, reminded their parent company that they get a lot of money in military contracts from the feds.

Trump didn't do it single-handedly. But he did more than nothing. It's the inability of those who disagree with him, to ever say anything positive about him, that makes you seem warped and un-hinged. There is so much legitimate criticism to heap on the man, but that's not enough. You can't admit the good things he does. That's what is puzzling to people like me. You all seem like you have become completely un-hinged.

"nothing goes back to the worker "

Where do their salaries, raises, bonuses, health insurance subsidies, and 401(k) matches come from? Have you EVER worked a day in the private sector? Because you sound like you have no idea, absolutely no idea, what you are talking about. The private sector isn't North Korea. It's not perfect of course, but it is nowhere near what you think it is. Again, you sound completely un-hinged. There are a lot of private companies whose employees love working there. Where do you get your information, exactly? You say "nothing" goes back to the workers? That's demonstrably false.

"Never have we had a president who deprecates women"? Oh, I see you are unaware of the existence of presidents named Clinton and Kennedy.

Trump is thin-skinned (so was Obama), offensive (he is in a class by himself there), spoke disgusting of women (Bill Clinton treated them worse), and lies (Hilary is also a serial liar).

Trump is also often very soft-hearted and generous to those in need. But either you have no idea about that, or you don't care.

scottw
02-27-2017, 03:42 PM
Never had we had a Pres. who seems like a patholgogical liar, spreads misinformation, has such anti Muslim sentiment, seems to accept ethical lapses, deprecates woman and the handcapped, etc. His cabinet picks in some cases where ignorant of the responsibilites/duties of the position. He demonizes the Press (when has any other President referred to a group of Americans as "the enemy"). We still don't know if he has any financial interests in Russia and why he seems to be buddying up to them. Not one of those things has anything to do w/any of his policies.

A question - if there was a male who identified as a female and dressed as a female, would you rather have them go into a men's or a woman's bathroom?

did you miss the Clinton years?

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 03:50 PM
A question - if there was a male who identified as a female and dressed as a female, would you rather have them go into a men's or a woman's bathroom?

That's easy. If you have a wee-wee, you use the mens room.

If you say that it's OK for men to go into the woman's room as long as they identify as a woman...how the hell do you stop a convicted rapist from following a little girl into the bathroom? If you had your way, he could say "nothing to see here, folks, because I identify as a female you see, so now I can hang out in the ladies room all day".

The left is becoming crazier and crazier.

Lots of women don't want to share bathrooms or locker rooms with anyone who has the male anatomy.

Question for you. If I identify as black, am I eligible for college scholarships reserved for blacks? If I identify as 67 years old, can I start collecting social security?

Because if you are OK with folks changing the circumstances of their birth, why limit it to sex? Why not race or age?

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 03:53 PM
did you miss the Clinton years?

That doesn't matter, because shut up.

racisthatecrimeintolerantnotmypresidentkeepyourros ariesoffmyovaries...

PaulS
02-27-2017, 04:00 PM
That's easy. If you have a wee-wee, you use the mens room.I wouldn't want my 7 year old son peeing next to a guy dressed as a woman.

If you say that it's OK for men to go into the woman's room as long as they identify as a woman...how the hell do you stop a convicted rapist from following a little girl into the bathroom? If you had your way, he could say "nothing to see here, folks, because I identify as a female you see, so now I can hang out in the ladies room all day".I think anyone hanging out in a bathroom would raise the interest of the police.

The left is becoming crazier and crazier.

Lots of women don't want to share bathrooms or locker rooms with anyone who has the male anatomy.

Question for you. If I identify as black, am I eligible for college scholarships reserved for blacks? If I identify as 67 years old, can I start collecting social security?I don't think IDing as a black would be identified by Drs. as a legit medical condition.

Because if you are OK with folks changing the circumstances of their birth, why limit it to sex? Why not race or age?

nm

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 04:06 PM
nm

"I wouldn't want my 7 year old son peeing next to a guy dressed as a woman. "

Me either. But that's less offensive to me (just my opinion) than a guy in drag following a little girl into the ladies room.

I can't believe we are having this conversation, and part of me hopes the left keeps clinging to this.

"I think anyone hanging out in a bathroom would raise the interest of the police"

Hyperbole for the sake of comedy Paul, come on...

"don't think IDing as a black would be identified by Drs. as a legit medical condition."

I have no idea. They sound equally devoid from reality, to me.

40% of people who identify as trans, say they have attempted suicide. I cannot imagine the anguish or torment necessary for a suicide rate that high. These people need help. I'm not sure that saying "there, there" is going to cut it.

The Dad Fisherman
02-27-2017, 04:17 PM
I wouldn't want my 7 year old son peeing next to a guy dressed as a woman.

but yet you can't understand why it bothers some people for that same person to be peeing in front of their 7 year old daughter

Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 04:46 PM
but yet you can't understand why it bothers some people for that same person to be peeing in front of their 7 year old daughter

I think Paul asked a fair question. And I don't have a daughter. But if I had a son and a daughter, and I had to choose which bathroom that person went in, I'd plug my nose and say the same room as my son. I wouldn't like it, but I'd be less worried than if the trans person went with my daughter.

Perhaps true trans are not a threat (though that's not certain). How do you stop a violent rapist like Willie Horton, from just claiming to be a trans, so he can get easier access to the women's room? Doesn't this make it much easier for perverts to get into the ladies' room?

I can't believe we are having this conversation, I genuinely can't.

The Dad Fisherman
02-27-2017, 05:35 PM
Personally, I couldn't care less which bathroom they use....that's just me. But a lot of people have lost the ability to "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes" and maybe try and understand why it might bother someone else.
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The Dad Fisherman
02-27-2017, 05:46 PM
Sooooo.....which bathroom :hihi:

https://youtu.be/MbiAHnjHlHg
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PaulS
02-27-2017, 05:51 PM
but yet you can't understand why it bothers some people for that same person to be peeing in front of their 7 year old daughter

Did I say that? I would bet most woman's rooms don't have urinals.
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Jim in CT
02-27-2017, 05:51 PM
Personally, I couldn't care less which bathroom they use....that's just me. But a lot of people have lost the ability to "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes" and maybe try and understand why it might bother someone else.
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It wouldn't bother you if man claiming to be a trans, went into the ladies room when your wife was in there?

As for the "walk a mile in their shoes", I agree. Of course, people on my side of this issue also need to consider the need of the trans person as well. I feel for them, I really do. But my sympathy for them doesn't go so far as I get to the point where I stop caring about the rights of women to feel secure, in what is an intimate and vulnerable setting.

In a perfect world, all public bathrooms would be individual stalls. But we can't afford that, so in this world, either a large number of people will have to make a concession (and let trans use whatever bathroom they want), or a small number of people will have to make a concession (meaning the trans folks use the bathroom that corresponds to their sex at birth).

No good answers...

PaulS
02-27-2017, 06:12 PM
No good answers...

True
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detbuch
02-27-2017, 07:18 PM
In a perfect world, all public bathrooms would be individual stalls. But we can't afford that, so in this world, either a large number of people will have to make a concession (and let trans use whatever bathroom they want), or a small number of people will have to make a concession (meaning the trans folks use the bathroom that corresponds to their sex at birth).

No good answers...

Why have we "made a federal case" out of something for which there is no good answer?

detbuch
02-27-2017, 07:20 PM
BTW, is the hike in military spending a good thing? Is there a good answer to that question?

The Dad Fisherman
02-27-2017, 07:43 PM
It wouldn't bother you if man claiming to be a trans, went into the ladies room when your wife was in there?



A man that is trans and a man claiming to be trans are two different things.

A man just claiming it I'd have a HUGE problem with...

But like you said...no easy answers.
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The Dad Fisherman
02-27-2017, 07:49 PM
I just asked my wife, she said she dealt with that at her work quite a few years ago. She said it was uncomfortable, but she wouldn't want him kicked out of the ladies room.

So take it for what it's worth....
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Rob Rockcrawler
02-28-2017, 04:49 AM
Lookin at the map i see how we could save 3.1 billion!

wdmso
02-28-2017, 07:11 AM
Lookin at the map i see how we could save 3.1 billion!


that would make you anti Israel

defend Israel more defense spending de regulation and deport immigrants (fyi all these things have been happening the past 8 years)

there just Verbal viagra for conservatives over 50

wdmso
02-28-2017, 07:31 AM
"you keep saying that Trump did it... he did nothing"

No, Obama did nothing (except to say it could not be done, and mocked Trump for bragging he could do it). Trump called Carrier, reminded their parent company that they get a lot of money in military contracts from the feds.


"nothing goes back to the worker "

Where do their salaries, raises, bonuses, health insurance subsidies, and 401(k) matches come from? Have you EVER worked a day in the private sector? Because you sound like you have no idea, absolutely no idea, what you are talking about. The private sector isn't North Korea. It's not perfect of course, but it is nowhere near what you think it is. Again, you sound completely un-hinged. There are a lot of private companies whose employees love working there. Where do you get your information, exactly? You say "nothing" goes back to the workers? That's demonstrably false.

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you again seem to be missing the big picture .. are their some good company's sure but please dont try to make those companys reflect the real world ... because i dont work in the private sector dosn't mean those around me do not ... i have seen what the the private sector has done to its workers good and bad .. My wife has been at the same nursing home for 20 years as an LPN all she get is a pay check 2 weeks Vac and 5 sick days a year ... no retirement plan healthcare plan thats worthless .. its a for profit company been sold several times .. lets not get started on the food and other ares involving those who live there... I am sure reduced regulation isn't going to benefit them ( and please dont try the go some where else becasue its the industry it the same where ever you go )

in 2011, almost half of working Americans were not offered a retirement account by their employer

Other groups with high participation rates include those covered by a union contract (82%, as opposed to 56% of those without a union contract), public sector employees (82%) and those at firms of 1,000+ employees (74%).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2015/04/09/the-retirement-crisis-why-68-of-americans-arent-saving-in-an-employer-sponsored-plan/#6857e0602152

in 2011, almost half of working Americans were not offered a retirement account by their employer


Its hard to play into retirement when your company's making profits
and you just got a 25 cent raise so now your at 15 bucks

scottw
02-28-2017, 07:46 AM
right...maybe the private sector could offer everyone unfunded retirement plans like the public sector....wait...but then who would pay for it????

here is an idea....be responsible for your own retirement :D

Sea Dangles
02-28-2017, 08:31 AM
I have to laugh at folks who blame the system for neglecting to plan for retirement. Blame the gubmint for your own absence of fiscal responsibility. Love the lack of logic that inspires the blame game. Whoa is me
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The Dad Fisherman
02-28-2017, 08:32 AM
in 2011, almost half of working Americans were not offered a retirement account by their employer

Other groups with high participation rates include those covered by a union contract (82%, as opposed to 56% of those without a union contract), public sector employees (82%) and those at firms of 1,000+ employees (74%).



you mean almost half of those without a union contract (44%) were not offered a retirement account by their employer.

because the Union, Government, and Large corporation employees are all at 3/4 or better.

unless they don't count.

Jim in CT
02-28-2017, 09:04 AM
you again seem to be missing the big picture .. are their some good company's sure but please dont try to make those companys reflect the real world ... because i dont work in the private sector dosn't mean those around me do not ... i have seen what the the private sector has done to its workers good and bad .. My wife has been at the same nursing home for 20 years as an LPN all she get is a pay check 2 weeks Vac and 5 sick days a year ... no retirement plan healthcare plan thats worthless .. its a for profit company been sold several times .. lets not get started on the food and other ares involving those who live there... I am sure reduced regulation isn't going to benefit them ( and please dont try the go some where else becasue its the industry it the same where ever you go )

in 2011, almost half of working Americans were not offered a retirement account by their employer —

Other groups with high participation rates include those covered by a union contract (82%, as opposed to 56% of those without a union contract), public sector employees (82%) and those at firms of 1,000+ employees (74%).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2015/04/09/the-retirement-crisis-why-68-of-americans-arent-saving-in-an-employer-sponsored-plan/#6857e0602152

in 2011, almost half of working Americans were not offered a retirement account by their employer —


Its hard to play into retirement when your company's making profits
and you just got a 25 cent raise so now your at 15 bucks

"My wife has been at the same nursing home for 20 years as an LPN all she get is a pay check 2 weeks Vac and 5 sick days a year ... no retirement plan healthcare plan thats worthless "

Here's what you don't get. If her nursing home paid the LPNs and CNAs as much as a registered nurse makes at a hospital, the nursing home would be bankrupt in a month. Why? Because you cannot have more than there is.

My insurance company sells lots of professional liability policies to nursing homes. I know a lot about that business. Most of them barely break even.

If your wife wants more pay and better perks, she needs to acquire the necessary qualifications for a better position.

Being a CNA or an LPN at a nursing home is a tough job. Hard work, stress, some real responsibility, but not great pay. The great pay is for RNs and above.

Jim in CT
02-28-2017, 09:07 AM
right...maybe the private sector could offer everyone unfunded retirement plans like the public sector....wait...but then who would pay for it????

here is an idea....be responsible for your own retirement :D

Unbelievable, isn't it? While we're at it, why can't we have the Treasury print off a million dollars for each one of us? No downside to that, right?

All these people see, is what others have, that they don't have. And it cannot be for some fair, valid reason, it can only mean that someone is screwing them. It cannot be that someone else deserves what they are getting.

If you want what someone else has, do what they did to get it. If you do the same thing and come up short, maybe you have a right to gripe. Until then, stop being envious, and do what it takes. Yes, some people are born into money, others marry into money. But many, many successful people attained success, by making great decisions and working hard.

WDMSO, if your wife wants more money and better perks, she can go to school and become an RN. Then she will have access to all the things that you'd like her to have. There's no trick to it.

wdmso
02-28-2017, 01:27 PM
you mean almost half of those without a union contract (44%) were not offered a retirement account by their employer.

because the Union, Government, and Large corporation employees are all at 3/4 or better.

unless they don't count.


they do count just not by those who employ them


https://protectpensions.org/2016/08/04/happened-private-sector-pensions/

It is one of the most well-known stories about American retirement: the decline of defined benefit pensions in the private sector. At one time, 88 percent of private sector workers who had a workplace retirement plan had a pension. That number is now 33 percent.

wdmso
02-28-2017, 01:39 PM
Unbelievable, isn't it? While we're at it, why can't we have the Treasury print off a million dollars for each one of us? No downside to that, right?

All these people see, is what others have, that they don't have. And it cannot be for some fair, valid reason, it can only mean that someone is screwing them. It cannot be that someone else deserves what they are getting.

If you want what someone else has, do what they did to get it. If you do the same thing and come up short, maybe you have a right to gripe. Until then, stop being envious, and do what it takes. Yes, some people are born into money, others marry into money. But many, many successful people attained success, by making great decisions and working hard.

WDMSO, if your wife wants more money and better perks, she can go to school and become an RN. Then she will have access to all the things that you'd like her to have. There's no trick to it.


Again you live in the fantasy that people can just can go to school and become an RN. or something else ... and not get paid while at school assume they have no bill's and live in moms basement ...its not a one size fit all answer thats the conservative mantra to excuse business from not paying better wages ..

FYI Currently my wife makes more than an entry level RN... but thats not the point

Basically Most private industry see their employee as a liability and a reduction in Profit is unacceptable and pay and benefits adversely effect Profit and shareholders

Jim in CT
02-28-2017, 02:18 PM
Again you live in the fantasy that people can just can go to school and become an RN. or something else ... and not get paid while at school assume they have no bill's and live in moms basement ...its not a one size fit all answer thats the conservative mantra to excuse business from not paying better wages ..

FYI Currently my wife makes more than an entry level RN... but thats not the point

Basically Most private industry see their employee as a liability and a reduction in Profit is unacceptable and pay and benefits adversely effect Profit and shareholders

"Again you live in the fantasy "

I don't live in any kind of fantasy world.

"that people can just can go to school and become an RN. or something else ... and not get paid while at school assume they have no bill's and live in moms basement"

Not remotely what I said. Not even close. It is very, very important to have a plan, and put it into action, while you still can (maybe before you have kids, or before you buy a house). After a certain stage in life, your options can become limited. But options are rarely eliminated. There is part time school, night school, online courses.

My wife stayed home with our kids for 10 years. That involved a major change in our standard of living when she stopped working. Now she wants to go back to school and get her master's before she goes back to work. She will do that. We have to plan for that. And we have to sacrifice accordingly. For example, my kids have never been on a plane to go on vacation, we go camping.

I live in the real world. Where things are usually (not always) possible, if you are willing to make a plan and make sacrifices.

You are the one who seems to be living in some alternate universe where rich people have made it impossible for anyone else to get ahead.

Many people (even parents who work) can go to a community college, part time, to get their RN. It's possible that your current life circumstances make that impossible, and if so, I am truly sorry for that. In my experience, most people are perfectly capable of fitting that into their lifestyle, they just don't want to make the necessary sacrifices, because it's too hard. And that is a choice on their part, not something that was denied them.

"Most private industry see their employee as a liability "

Please support that with something other than the fact that they say it every night on MSNBC.

"a reduction in Profit is unacceptable and pay and benefits adversely effect Profit and shareholders"

Pay and benefits can have an adverse impact on financial results. But it's not as simple as you think it is, otherwise no one would pay more than minimum wage. Some companies have a self-interest in attracting the best talent, and companies need to pay for that. It is not always better for companies to decrease payroll.

There are a lot of people stuck in tough situations. I would be a maniac to deny that. And there are some companies that make plenty of money, but won't share any with employees. But there are also plenty of companies that treat employees well, even generously. You need to figure out how to become desirable to those companies. You seem to think those companies are very rare. I don't believe that's true. Not in the white collar world at least.

If what you say is true, why do you think shareholders tolerate CEO pay?

The Dad Fisherman
02-28-2017, 03:17 PM
they do count just not by those who employ them


https://protectpensions.org/2016/08/04/happened-private-sector-pensions/

It is one of the most well-known stories about American retirement: the decline of defined benefit pensions in the private sector. At one time, 88 percent of private sector workers who had a workplace retirement plan had a pension. That number is now 33 percent.

But now most companies are offering 401k or 401k-like retirement funds with different matching options....if you choose to invest in them. Even temp agencies are now starting to offer retirement savings options.

Since getting out of the service I have worked for 7 different private companies....they all offered 401k-type plans....and I invested in every one because I knew someday I would retire. Right now I work in the public sector and they, too, offer a 401k type plan for retirement....and I'm investing in it as well.

this has been going on for 30 years for me....so this is not something new.

Jim in CT
02-28-2017, 03:32 PM
But now most companies are offering 401k or 401k-like retirement funds with different matching options....if you choose to invest in them. Even temp agencies are now starting to offer retirement savings options.

Since getting out of the service I have worked for 7 different private companies....they all offered 401k-type plans....and I invested in every one because I knew someday I would retire. Right now I work in the public sector and they, too, offer a 401k type plan for retirement....and I'm investing in it as well.

this has been going on for 30 years for me....so this is not something new.

What is new, I guess, is the departure in the private sector away from pensions, and replacing then with 401k plans. Most socialists who hate business, use this as an excuse to bash those mean businesses who did away with pensions about 25 years ago, at least here in CT.

But the pensions were not sustainable. In the private sector, you need to do away with things that are financially impossible, because there are limits to how high you can raise your prices. In the public sector, you can just keep raising taxes, because I can't choose not to pay my taxes. That's the only reason why pensions exist in the public sector, but even there, you can avoid reality only for so long.

Those pensions are about to implode, the Baby Boomers will be the straw that broke the camel's back.