http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/trump-tv-donald-trump-quietly-10943897

this is no blog driven site its directly attached to the POTUS

The two clips are largely dominated by positive economic news, including the claim that the president has created over one million jobs since taking office.

funny Obama created 11.3 million jobs and you talk to some Trumpanzees they wont give him credit But now with out any legislation to speak of Trump is getting credit for 1 million new Jobs and the stock market yet under during Obama’s time in office, the stock market “nearly tripled.” but the Trumpanzees will insist that didn't happen yet give Trump all the Credit for the market over 20k


Where have we seen this done before .. Russia, china, N Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Syria



we'll see were this goes... I am sure the faithful have no issues with state run News

News:

Yes, terrible that there would be an official "News Section" from the campaign but for the most part wee still have a Free Press, not something in those other countries you mention. In fact NOTHING like those other countries.

But the current news outlets were just as Pro-Obama as they are Anti-Trump. For one, I would greatly prefer an even baseline of love / hate so we can have a low bias news but that aintgonnahappen.

As for Obama white house and influencing news I have one name: Ben Rhodes

As Malley and representatives of the State Department, including Wendy Sherman and Secretary of State John Kerry, engaged in formal negotiations with the Iranians, to ratify details of a framework that had already been agreed upon, Rhodes’s war room did its work on Capitol Hill and with reporters. In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/the-aspiring-novelist-who-became-obamas-foreign-policy-guru.html?_r=0

RE: Jobs

Obama created 11 million jobs over 8 years just after the economy lost 8.5 million jobs from 2008-2011, so if you add jobs lost during last year of Bush you are up around 2.5 million net jobs after the recovery.

So over 8 years Obama created 2.5 mil net jobs (at lower wages on average than prior to recession). Trump may do that in 4 but we may have another recession too.

So at best your talking point is that - a talking point, at worst it misrepresents numbers to push a narrative - what we all should be generally against.

Did you expect them to talk about their failures and not boast about successes?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/06/media/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-campaign/index.html

same story above but even CNN is not calling it propaganda

but your "trumpanzees" label is funny, I have not heard that before, probably because I don't read Occupy Democrats propaganda


I agree with John, would like to see a balanced/fair even reporting media

Did you expect them to talk about their failures and not boast about successes?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/06/media/kayleigh-mcenany-trump-campaign/index.html

same story above but even CNN is not calling it propaganda

but your "trumpanzees" label is funny, I have not heard that before, probably because I don't read Occupy Democrats propaganda


I agree with John, would like to see a balanced/fair even reporting media

if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise . and you wouldn't need to blame Occupy Democrats propaganda.. which I am sure your fair and balanced sources blame for everything ..

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trumpanzee

you vote in a reality TV personality you get reality TV behavior which gets you reality TV reporting ... blame the ring master its his circus
in his dump white house

News:

Yes, terrible that there would be an official "News Section" from the campaign but for the most part wee still have a Free Press, not something in those other countries you mention. In fact NOTHING like those other countries.

But the current news outlets were just as Pro-Obama as they are Anti-Trump. For one, I would greatly prefer an even baseline of love / hate so we can have a low bias news but that aintgonnahappen.

As for Obama white house and influencing news I have one name: Ben Rhodes

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/magazine/the-aspiring-novelist-who-became-obamas-foreign-policy-guru.html?_r=0

RE: Jobs

Obama created 11 million jobs over 8 years just after the economy lost 8.5 million jobs from 2008-2011, so if you add jobs lost during last year of Bush you are up around 2.5 million net jobs after the recovery.

So over 8 years Obama created 2.5 mil net jobs (at lower wages on average than prior to recession). Trump may do that in 4 but we may have another recession too.

So at best your talking point is that - a talking point, at worst it misrepresents numbers to push a narrative - what we all should be generally against.


fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point

if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise . and you wouldn't need to blame Occupy Democrats propaganda.. which I am sure your fair and balanced sources blame for everything ..

Propaganda comes from all directions. Without an anchor in some historically tested principle of government, the words which flow from politicians are likely to be propaganda.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trumpanzee

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamabot

you vote in a reality TV personality you get reality TV behavior which gets you reality TV reporting ... blame the ring master its his circus
in his dump white house

You vote in a community organizer who uses Saul Alinsky tactics you get a radical government devoted to bringing down capitalistic free market system and transforming it into some current form of socialism.

fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point

Obama was constantly given credit for stock market and job growth in the mainstream media. Other than Fox (I guess, I don't watch much TV news) Trump gets little credit which is squeezed into a constant barrage of investigations of Trump for collusion and personality foibles.

I am suspicious of stock market growth. I personally don't measure it as a success for a President's policies. Especially when, in my opinion, it occurs in times of slow job growth and weak business conditions. My opinion of Stock market booms under Obama was that it was fueled by the huge stimulus packages created by government pumped money into the banking and investment communities which was not based on actual strong business or job growth. It appeared that the major job growth under Obama was either in government, or in business that was heavily regulated and subsidized by government, and was weak in growth outside of major government influence where what growth occurred was not well paid.

Trump seems to be attempting to grow the industrial
base which traditionally provided well paying jobs for average folks, and depended on entrepreneurship rather government cronyism. Remains to be seen if his policies succeed in that direction. And if his own party backs his efforts.

You vote in a community organizer who uses Saul Alinsky tactics you get a radical government devoted to bringing down capitalistic free market system and transforming it into some current form of socialism.

you get Elon Musk and Tesla....4.9 Billion in government subsidies not to mention the tax payer funded federal($7500) and state($2500) rebates for buying their product and.....

Obama-backed green automaker Tesla Motors turns a profit | TheHill
thehill.com/policy/..

Apr 1, 2016 - Tesla Motors' latest announcement is causing a stir, but the Obama administration has a reminder: this is also a governmental success story.

Jul 5, 2017 - Tesla's Fremont factory was described by a female employee as a "predator zone" of harassment in a meeting attended by dozens

May 18, 2017 - Tesla workers at the company's Fremont factory have detailed difficult work conditions where people pass out and face stress-induced injuries.

6 days ago - Elon Musk warns of 'manufacturing hell' to come—Tesla workers say factory safety is already worse than sawmills and
slaughterhouses.

May 18, 2017 - Workers at Tesla's California car factory have been passing out and requiring rides in ambulances



life in the federally funded, environmentally conscious workers paradise, unionization will probably fix all of that

Trump seems to be attempting to grow the industrial
base which traditionally provided well paying jobs for average folks, and depended on entrepreneurship rather government cronyism.

I was listening to that bastion of right wing propaganda probably directed from the Whitehouse other day...NPR....and they were talking about the recent job numbers...seems worker participation rate is ticking up finally, 1.1 million fewer on food stamps and the bulk of job creation is employing lower wage and education portion of society which would seem like a good thing but I guess that takes them out of the government dependency womb which I'm sure disappoints some...

the thing to watch is the revisions....with Obama and Clinton they would tout and celebrate good jobs numbers which were regularly revised downward a month or two later.....:confused:


"Trumpanzees" is great and probably racist...but Trumpanzees vs. the Obamorons would be a fantastic Creature Double Feature

if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise .

What major news bureau would you determine as fair and balanced in reporting?

fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point

All I hear is how great O was for restoring the Stock Market, particularly from Socialists and anti-corporate types.

many of these so called Obama created jobs are a direct result of ObamaCare and changing the requirement for providing healthcare to 30 hours a week. Many part time 38hrs a week jobs instantly became 28 -29 hrs/week jobs. For every 38 hr per week job he created a "NEW" 28 hr per week part time job. My wife and my daughter were both victims of this when their part time jobs were dropped to less than 30 hours per week and their workplaces hired a few more part time employees to fill the gaps. This type of job creation hurts America more than helps it.

You vote in a community organizer who uses Saul Alinsky tactics you get a radical government devoted to bringing down capitalistic free market system and transforming it into some current form of socialism.

you dont live in reality do you??

What major news bureau would you determine as fair and balanced in reporting?

I suggest more than Just one Major news bureau this conspiracy theory about the main stream media and the deep state are working together to get rid of Trump is not funny anymore


All I hear is how great O was for restoring the Stock Market, particularly from Socialists and anti-corporate types.

Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..


case in point

fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point

Well Obama did add 10 trillion or so debt while performing economic miracles . Make sure you give him credit for that
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case in point

And you call him lazy
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case in point

we were told during the Obama years by the left and MSM that executive orders were good and necessary...soooo...giddayup!! Trump wouldn't have to issue so many executive orders if Obama didn't issue so many stupid executive orders..it's Obama's fault :laughs:

case in point


For starters, you quoted someone else's post in with mine

Secondly - what does your image have to do with our discussion?

you dont live in reality do you??

I feel stupid in actually answering a stupid question. But, what the hell, I'll venture into the unreal world of pointless questions which seem to be concocted out of the thin airiness of what has the slimmest appearance of thought--yes. I do live in reality. I also have foresight and imagination. I am creative, as well, in various ways. I'm an all-around good guy, but am capable of doing some nasty, vindictive or selfish things. You might say that I'm a well-rounded human being who has experienced the vast array and spectrum of natural and unnatural vicissitudes which await us in our brief interlude of existence.

As for that portion which lies in the realm of what we refer to as reality, when it has not been tinged with some imagination, creative or reflexive, for the most part, it has for me been functional, mundane, slightly or greatly boring, sometimes pleasant and sometimes frightening, harsh, or painful.

Which, I suppose, is why I despise socialism. It is the essence of boredom. It is the casting of the human soul into the dungeon of a quotidian, standard, average, common, slavishly regulated life. It claims to be the ultimate system of life in reality. But I find it to be the nightmarish dream of opinionated idiots.

Reality isn't everything. But it serves its purpose. And yes, I do "live in" its realms from time to time. Not as much as in the middle of my life when I was more active in getting and spending, more intensely desiring and procuring "real" things.

I am thankful for having been given the chance in my childhood to dream, to imagine, to create fictitious empires in my head, to play. And in my latter years I often return to childish imaginations and play. My life has had its glut of reality.

In that "real" space of living, I have had the opportunity to meet some people whom I have admired for their ability to get to the nut of what is "real." One that I remember most was an intellectually limited (retarded seems too cruel a word to define him) young man who weekly came to the reference section of the library asking to use a certain biographical dictionary, a pencil, and some note cards. He would, in the scholarly demeanor of a medieval student, sit at a desk, and open to the last page that he had previously read (he did his research in alphabetical order), and he would copy the next name onto the top of the card, and beneath that he would note "born" and "died." After each word, he would insert the date.

He was compiling the basic reality of the lives of famous people--the fact that they were born and that they died and when. Everything in between was not essential. Just stuff which people of greater imaginative ability considered "real," but for someone who was attuned to only physical presence, not ideology or even fantasy, the great endeavors and accomplishments described as such were just words not attached to a real thing. The only "reality" was the people's existence and disappearance.

What's your point? Do you imagine you have one? "Really"?

I feel stupid in actually answering a stupid question. But, what the hell, I'll venture into the unreal world of pointless questions which seem to be concocted out of the thin airiness of what has the slimmest appearance of thought--yes. I do live in reality. I also have foresight and imagination. I am creative, as well, in various ways. I'm an all-around good guy, but am capable of doing some nasty, vindictive or selfish things. You might say that I'm a well-rounded human being who has experienced the vast array and spectrum of natural and unnatural vicissitudes which await us in our brief interlude of existence.

As for that portion which lies in the realm of what we refer to as reality, when it has not been tinged with some imagination, creative or reflexive, for the most part, it has for me been functional, mundane, slightly or greatly boring, sometimes pleasant and sometimes frightening, harsh, or painful.

Which, I suppose, is why I despise socialism. It is the essence of boredom. It is the casting of the human soul into the dungeon of a quotidian, standard, average, common, slavishly regulated life. It claims to be the ultimate system of life in reality. But I find it to be the nightmarish dream of opinionated idiots.

Reality isn't everything. But it serves its purpose. And yes, I do "live in" its realms from time to time. Not as much as in the middle of my life when I was more active in getting and spending, more intensely desiring and procuring "real" things.

I am thankful for having been given the chance in my childhood to dream, to imagine, to create fictitious empires in my head, to play. And in my latter years I often return to childish imaginations and play. My life has had its glut of reality.

In that "real" space of living, I have had the opportunity to meet some people whom I have admired for their ability to get to the nut of what is "real." One that I remember most was an intellectually limited (retarded seems too cruel a word to define him) young man who weekly came to the reference section of the library asking to use a certain biographical dictionary, a pencil, and some note cards. He would, in the scholarly demeanor of a medieval student, sit at a desk, and open to the last page that he had previously read (he did his research in alphabetical order), and he would copy the next name onto the top of the card, and beneath that he would note "born" and "died." After each word, he would insert the date.

He was compiling the basic reality of the lives of famous people--the fact that they were born and that they died and when. Everything in between was not essential. Just stuff which people of greater imaginative ability considered "real," but for someone who was attuned to only physical presence, not ideology or even fantasy, the great endeavors and accomplishments described as such were just words not attached to a real thing. The only "reality" was the people's existence and disappearance.

What's your point? Do you imagine you have one? "Really"?

Stupid question perhaps however you basically speak about socialism as if we live in a socialist country or in the last 50 years the US has been run but nobody else but progressives . your reality which I question seem to be absence of the existence of the right(republicans ) in our government you speak as if the never held a seat in the white house or ever controlled congress or a governorship or sat in a state house .. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind when I read your arguments .. maybe you think you have cornered the market on world view or just frankly think your smarter than the next guy your more likely smarter than me I really dont know that answer.. I just know the USA you see and the one I see well there is no intersection in the Two .. could be age upbringing social status to many factors to list ,, but like you i'll keep providing a different lens to look on things . and you keep doing the same and maybe we'll both end up getting a little of what we want for America :cheers2:

For starters, you quoted someone else's post in with mine

Secondly - what does your image have to do with our discussion?

starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again

And you call him lazy
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from the guy who called Anthony Scaramucci better then spicy

starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again

if Trump uses an executive order to undo an Obama executive order...I have no problem with that...you can call it hypocrisy, I call it abiding by the standard(s) that Obama and democrats have set in governing.........they might be low standards but it's the ONLY way these things get undone...if Obama is going to expand executive powers to DO things, those same expanded powers need to be used to UNDO things...this is not complicated...the left seems to think that once they accomplish an objective, no matter how unseemly the method to accomplish, the result should be set in stone and stand for all time and suddenly their methods for accomplishing those objectives are out of bounds(talk about hypocrisy?).....if the Republican Congress were to lie, connive and distort the process to undo Obamacare...I'm good with that because that's exactly how it was passed....it's not not a "double standard" as far as I'm concerned...it's "same standard"....I don't want to hold Trump and the Republicans to higher standards than the democrats...I'm content to hold them to the same standards that the left holds the democrats to for the time being...holding repubs and Trump to higher standards only forces them to play by a different set of rules than their competitors resulting in failure.....clearly, being nice to the democrats and MSM is not a formula for success if you are a republican...which is why we now have this Trump guy somehow finding his way to the Whitehouse

from the guy who called Anthony Scaramucci better then spicy

I must be getting old ... I don't recall that . Can you jog my memory ? If I did I was incorrect sir.
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starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again

Ohh - didn't get the separation, then in reply I will add that there probably are not enough executive orders ; )

And he is golfing more than Obama - something nobody thought possible and spending more time out of WH (current out being due to renovations scheduled by Obama admin).

Trump is a complete and total hypocrite. I did not vote for him. I don't know at this stage if he will be worse than Obama and I still don't know if he is worse than Hillary would have been.

If you want to go over hypocrisy between left and right, game on.

Stupid question perhaps however you basically speak about socialism as if we live in a socialist country

I speak about a country which was founded on individual freedom and which limited the central government to powers that protected that freedom, but which has been transitioning toward a collectivist society ruled by unlimited government. Socialism is one of the names for that latter type of government.

or in the last 50 years the US has been run but nobody else but progressives .

The ultimate runners of a country founded on individual freedom is the people, not the government. The runner of the country that is socialist/communist/etc. is the government. That we have accepted the idea, and express it as such, that the government runs the country shows how much we have departed from the notion that we are free.

Progressives, by capturing our source of education, were and are the ideological driving force that molded our perception of who runs the country. Progressives, in government, come with the letter D or R before their name. There used to be D's who fought the Progressive idea. That is no longer the case. There are still some R's who oppose it. But the R's are a mixed bag in that respect. The political elimination of the anti-Progressive R's as the preponderance of the People who accept government as the answer for all problems and savior of all in need, is "progressing."

your reality which I question seem to be absence of the existence of the right(republicans ) in our government you speak as if the never held a seat in the white house or ever controlled congress or a governorship or sat in a state house

You, obviously, don't have a clear picture of my "reality."

.. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind when I read your arguments ..

That's a VERY interesting comment. If you respond to any of my comments, I hope this, above any other, is the one you do. Please elaborate how McCarthy comes to mind.

maybe you think you have cornered the market on world view or just frankly think your smarter than the next guy your more likely smarter than me I really dont know that answer..

How do you get any of that? How is stating my views more of an expression of me being smarter that anybody different from you stating your views? Are you smarter than everybody, or have you cornered the market on world view, because you have an opinion and state it?

I just know the USA you see and the one I see well there is no intersection in the Two .. could be age upbringing social status to many factors to list ,, but like you i'll keep providing a different lens to look on things . and you keep doing the same and maybe we'll both end up getting a little of what we want for America :cheers2:

Getting a little of what we want depends on how much freedom we have to get it. That is, if we want to get it by dint of our own work. If we depend on government to provide what we want, we better hope that what we want is on the list of what the government offers. And that the government doesn't keep changing the list when it decides it can't afford it, or decides that it is not good for us, or that it is not fair, or if it just doesn't like us.

You have expressed satisfaction with getting what you want, so everything is fine with you. Others have complained about not being allowed to get what they want because government blocks them.

I suppose, if you think the USA is just fine and not heading in any unjust or oppressive manner, then you think all we have to do is keep seeing through our different lenses to "look on things." I don't see how that works if, as you say, there is no intersection. If there is no principle of government on which we agree, then what we want for America will exclude one or the other of us from getting what we want.

We're dealing with someone who has no strategy, no thought process.

Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”

The man is unstable.

Good thing Pres. Trump's "first priority in office was to modernize our nuclear arsenal"

We're dealing with someone who has no strategy, no thought process.

Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”

The man is unstable.

Haha - the "pres" of North Korea says far worse stupid sheeit on a daily basis ; )

I don't know if stable or not, but I don't think very detail oriented and frankly, he's working on the wrong crap.

Good thing Pres. Trump's "first priority in office was to modernize our nuclear arsenal"

Actually the nuclear arsenal does need a significant modernization. There is also an opportunity to reduce some of the platforms in conjunction with additional arms reduction talks - though I don't think the current admin (nor the Russians) would be willing / capable to do this.

Trump has initiated a "Nuclear Posture Review" which is something that each admin has done upon reaching the office. They are not done overnight, are expensive, and generally scary and expensive to resolve issues.

Actually the nuclear arsenal does need a significant modernization. There is also an opportunity to reduce some of the platforms in conjunction with additional arms reduction talks - though I don't think the current admin (nor the Russians) would be willing / capable to do this.



I agree it does need modernization but he wasn't the one to start it even though he said he was.

No good answers here but bluster isn't going to help.

Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”

When trying to get a crazy guy to understand you, sometimes you have to let him think you are a bit crazier than he is.

When trying to get a crazy guy to understand you, sometimes you have to let him think you are a bit crazier than he is.

thats a true Statement ^^^^ but he may be crazier then Kim

I have no issue with tough crazy talk ... but let that be done by your surrogates .... Did trump Just create a red line ? that he will be unable to walk back from ? ... he surrogates are trying very hard to walk it back and once agin tell us what he really ment :cool:

I agree it does need modernization but he wasn't the one to start it even though he said he was.

No good answers here but bluster isn't going to help.

No, he ordered a Nuclear Posture Review, something done by almost all incoming admins - since Clinton (the only) IIRC.

if Trump uses an executive order to undo an Obama executive order...I have no problem with that...you can call it hypocrisy, I call it abiding by the standard(s) that Obama and democrats have set in governing.........they might be low standards but it's the ONLY way these things get undone...if Obama is going to expand executive powers to DO things, those same expanded powers need to be used to UNDO things...this is not complicated...the left seems to think that once they accomplish an objective, no matter how unseemly the method to accomplish, the result should be set in stone and stand for all time and suddenly their methods for accomplishing those objectives are out of bounds(talk about hypocrisy?).....if the Republican Congress were to lie, connive and distort the process to undo Obamacare...I'm good with that because that's exactly how it was passed....it's not not a "double standard" as far as I'm concerned...it's "same standard"....I don't want to hold Trump and the Republicans to higher standards than the democrats...I'm content to hold them to the same standards that the left holds the democrats to for the time being...holding repubs and Trump to higher standards only forces them to play by a different set of rules than their competitors resulting in failure.....clearly, being nice to the democrats and MSM is not a formula for success if you are a republican...which is why we now have this Trump guy somehow finding his way to the Whitehouse

to bad Most of that is not 100% ACCURATE

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-executive-orders-memorandum-proclamations-presidential-action-guide-2017-1/#executive-order-april-26-reviewing-the-federal-governments-power-in-education-7

Most of that is not 100% ACCURATE



:hihi: gotta remember that one

.... Did trump Just create a red line ? that he will be unable to walk back from ? ...

Yes , if North Korea fires a missle at Guam, North Korea will be reduced to rubble . You disagree ?
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He actually said a threat. The North Koreans then threatened Guam so if it's truly a line like he implied they've already crossed it.
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He actually said a threat. The North Koreans then threatened Guam so if it's truly a line like he implied they've already crossed it.
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hmmmm...so should we apply the Obama standard to "red lines"...he WAS the smartest president to ever president

did he(Trump) actually say "red line"...if so...that would be amusing

Life has been a lot more relaxed, productive and generally better since I stopped thinking about the clown in chief. I highly recommend evicting the guy who's living rent free in so many people's heads. ;)
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Yes , if North Korea fires a missle at Guam, North Korea will be reduced to rubble . You disagree ?
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Yes ...respond fine rubble not there yet ... your wiliness to see this theses actions as Heroic are part of the problem ... its always a great idea when your not the one at the wrong end of a gun .. but America always need an enemy ...

hmmmm...so should we apply the Obama standard to "red lines"...he WAS the smartest president to ever president

did he(Trump) actually say "red line"...if so...that would be amusing

But But But Obama - What do I care about Obama?

Your hypocrisy is hilarious.

Life has been a lot more relaxed, productive and generally better since I stopped thinking about the clown in chief. I highly recommend evicting the guy who's living rent free in so many people's heads. ;)
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Bernie Sanders & Wife Under FBI Investigation For Bank Fraud

But But But Obama - What do I care about Obama?

Your hypocrisy is hilarious.

"so if it's truly a line like he implied"



war monger ...:)

I hope we don't go to war.

Any line in the sand, regardless by whom is stupid.

Any line in the sand, regardless by whom is stupid.

yeah...just ask Assad


when exactly did Trump say this?....Wayne asked and you implied...Obama actually had a "line'...then not so much...

Obama said in 2012 that his red line with the Assad regime would be the use of chemical weapons. Later that year, Assad's forces killed nearly 1,500 people in a chemical-weapons attack.

But then Obama got cold feet ...

you guys shouldn't put words in Trump's mouth...he has enough trouble without you divining secret messages from his ramblings

But But But Obama - What do I care about Obama?

Your hypocrisy is hilarious.

how am I a hypocrite?....

Obama told Syria ..."don't screw with us"....and then crawled away from his bluster

Trump told N Korea..."don't screw with us".....if N Korea kills a bunch of innocents as Assad did, and Trump crawls away I will be as critical of Trump as I was of Obama


just wondering if the left and MSM will criticize him for not following through or celebrate his restraint if N Korea creates a body count...or criticize him either way(most likely scenario)

when exactly did Trump say this?....Wayne asked and you impliedno, I said "Trump implied" ...Obama actually had a "line'...then not so much...


Don't have to put words in anyone's mouth.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

So that actually is a "line".

That same day NK threatened again, thus crossing it.

how am I a hypocrite?....bc you've constantly criticized every misstatement Pres. Obama made and make allowances for Pres Trump (never mind the almost daily lies). maybe you need to post more pictures of Pres Obama's mom jeans? or bring up the statement about vistiting 57 states - you know the real important stuff.

Obama told Syria ..."don't screw with us"....and then crawled away from his bluster

Trump told N Korea..."don't screw with us".....if N Korea kills a bunch of innocents as Assad did, and Trump crawls away I will be as critical of Trump as I was of ObamaTrump said "threatened


just wondering if the left and MSM will criticize him for not following through or celebrate his restraint if N Korea creates a body count...or criticize him either way(most likely scenario)

I hope Pres. Trump doesn't follow through with "fire and fury the likes the world has never seen before" (if you didn't know who made that comment you would think it came from NK).

no, I said "Trump implied"

(I)Don't have to put words in anyone's mouth.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

So that actually is a "line". he didn't say line...Obama said "line"

That same day NK threatened again, thus crossing it.

physical threats or verbal threats?...oh that's right...it's "words" that upset the left more.....even promoting violence and issuing beatings over language they find offensive...soooo..maybe they should applaud Trump for being so aggressive toward the N Korean violent sounding "hate speech" ( are they protected under the first amendment)?

if you imply from what you decide someone else has implied you are essentially putting words in their mouth

What did the past Presidents believe was the way to deal with NK's program to make nukes? You know . . . when it actually did not have them?

What did all the military, political, media, and academic "experts" believe was a way to deal with the matter?

What did any President's with their brilliant advisors do to stop NK?

So now, NK has what no previous administration was able to prevent, even with all their wisdom and expertise. What do all the brilliant critics who were not able to devise a way to stop what they claimed to know how to stop but never did, what do all the brilliant critics have to contribute other than criticize Trump for saying naughty words?

What did the past Presidents believe was the way to deal with NK's program to make nukes?

Obama yawned....tiny country can't threaten us...pfffft...

Bush included them in the "axis of evil"

I think Albright went there and gave the Norks a tongue bath...which is an awful visual....

Oh . . . that's right . . . If you tell someone who constantly threatens to kill you that you will kill him if he tries, then he will really kill you. That is, if you tell him that with mean threatening words. Probably, if you told him nicely that you would kill him if he tried to kill you, if you told him nicely, not in any threatening way, then he would not actually kill you, but would just keep on saying he would. The best way, obviously, is to keep being nice to him so that he will not actually try to kill you.

It's all so obvious.

physical threats or verbal threats?...oh that's right...it's "words" that upset the left more.....even promoting violence and issuing beatings over language they find offensive...soooo..maybe they should applaud Trump for being so aggressive toward the N Korean violent sounding "hate speech" ( are they protected under the first amendment)?

if you imply from what you decide someone else has implied you are essentially putting words in their mouth

You're trying to make a destinction bt Obama saying the word "line" and Trump not using the actual word as if there is a difference. You're smarter than that.

No one is putting words in his mouth, those are his actual words. He said NK better not make any more threats - (which they did a few hours later) bc they would be be met with fury and fire. (actually the speach writers are putting words in his mouth- and when he strays from those speaches is when he gets in trouble).

You're trying to make a destinction bt Obama saying the word "line" and Trump not using the actual word as if there is a difference.

well...there is ....Obama was very specific as to what constituted crossing his stated "line"...it was crossed and he turtled...and now a bazillion people are either dead or displaced ....I think Spence told us Obama played that one brilliantly too

Trump was less clear regarding a line or what constituted crossing the line that you infer from his rhetoric...I guess you can also infer it would require physical aggression...but who knows?...Trump is pretty crazy

and as we know...it probably depends on what the meaning of the work "line"..is...

No difference bc the word wasn't mentioned. Just like a ban is still a ban even if the word isn't in the order.

As I said earlier - any line is stupid.

No difference bc the word wasn't mentioned. Just like a ban is still a ban even if the word isn't in the order.

As I said earlier - any line is stupid.

now you are being ridiculous

Yes ...respond fine rubble not there yet ... your wiliness to see this theses actions as Heroic are part of the problem ... its always a great idea when your not the one at the wrong end of a gun .. but America always need an enemy ...

Nobody said it was heroic . Actually one of our boys will be stationed in Guam soon so it weighs heavy on my mind when I hear that fat piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& make threats about firing a missile at Guam .
I'm actually comforted by Trumps words , and with Japan saying it will shoot down any missile that North Korea fires at Guam I believe the threat has been neutralized unless Kim's motive is to go down as a martyr .
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Nobody said it was heroic . Actually one of our boys will be stationed in Guam soon so it weighs heavy on my mind when I hear that fat piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& make threats about firing a missile at Guam .
I'm actually comforted by Trumps words , and with Japan saying it will shoot down any missile that North Korea fires at Guam I believe the threat has been neutralized unless Kim's motive is to go down as a martyr .
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Kim's motivation is to unify the Korean peninsula. If he has long-range Nukes, I think it functions as a deterrent to keep others out of the engagement when he finally decides to cross the DMZ and try and invade the south.

Kim's motivation is to unify the Korean peninsula. If he has long-range Nukes, I think it functions as a deterrent to keep others out of the engagement when he finally decides to cross the DMZ and try and invade the south.

EXACTLY!

EXACTLY!

A pretty detailed take on the situation can be found here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/the-worst-problem-on-earth/528717/

Kim's motivation is to unify the Korean peninsula. If he has long-range Nukes, I think it functions as a deterrent to keep others out of the engagement when he finally decides to cross the DMZ and try and invade the south.

If that is his only motivation, and it may be, but then why all the threats to destroy America ? It would be counterproductive to what he is hoping to accomplish.

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If that is his only motivation, and it may be, but then why all the threats to destroy America ? It would be counterproductive to what he is hoping to accomplish.

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Saber rattling.
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the language used by both and the support for such language from supporters ..to achieve their goals

.. will the real Dear leader please stand up...


and in a parallel universe the adults are walking back Trumps rhetoric... and doing what the last several administration have done look for a Diplomatic solution .. the Military has never been off the table for any of them


Mr Mattis, speaking in California late on Thursday, said it was his job as defence secretary to be ready for conflict.
But he said the diplomatic effort, under Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, "has diplomatic traction, it is gaining diplomatic results".

Saber rattling.
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And Trump is simple stating the obvious .
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If that is his only motivation, and it may be, but then why all the threats to destroy America ? It would be counterproductive to what he is hoping to accomplish.

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this strategy has worked ok for Iran. Maybe he believes the world wont respect him as a nuclear power unless he makes threats and acts tough. the old fear = respect idea

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

And Trump is simple stating the obvious .
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Yes, but whatever happened to 'walk softly and carry a big stick'? Trump seems to be 'walk loudly and my staff will walk back my comments...'

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/11/china-pledges-neutrality-unless-us-strikes-north-korea-first.html

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

There has been little, sadly. But Squirrel!

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/11/china-pledges-neutrality-unless-us-strikes-north-korea-first.html

Snark: Are they willing to trade Beijing and Shanghai for Pyongyang and Wosan?


Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama could not resolve this before, but then Rice and Rhodes would not be able to twitterrant on how well they left everything for the next admin.

Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama OR BUSH, OR CLINTON could not resolve this before,


Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.

Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.


Read the article yesterday, as well as several others . Ohhh, and I appreciate the Bush or Clinton as well. But you rarely hear the media mention the full context of this. It is all Trump's fault.

Not defending Trump

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.


I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear :btu:



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear :btu:



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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ha..ha...ha...was that Maxine Waters?... or was she the one that wanted them to move the camera so she could see where the astronauts planted the flag on Jupiter


I think his inference was that Hillary would have won Guam(according to a straw poll or something) and that probably would have swung things in her favor?

I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

Isolation.
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diplomatic secret weapon

ha..ha...ha...was that Maxine Waters?... or was she the one that wanted them to move the camera so she could see where the astronauts planted the flag on Jupiter


I think his inference was that Hillary would have won Guam(according to a straw poll or something) and that probably would have swung things in her favor?

Scott should I think your inference is no they shouldn't vote there not Real Americans

If the POTUS and past POTUS can use Guam as a pawn in world politics by seeing an attack on it as an attack on America and Guamanians can server in our military fight in Americas Wars they should be treated as a Complete US citizen and be allowed to Vote ..

Guam, a U.S. possession since it was taken in 1898 from the Spanish, is the only American soil with a sizable population to have been occupied by a foreign military power.

During World War II, the Japanese held the island for almost three years and brutalized nearly everyone on it. They created concentration camps, forcing the indigenous Chamorro people to provide slave labor and sex.

"If there is a group of Americans who understand the price of freedom, we do," said Michael W. Cruz, lieutenant governor of Guam and a colonel in the Army National Guard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602050.html

Scott should I think your inference is no they shouldn't vote there not Real Americans

If the POTUS and past POTUS can use Guam as a pawn in world politics by seeing an attack on it as an attack on America huh???





I'd be shocked if you didn't:jester:...I don't have any problem with Guamanians voting...