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JohnR
09-03-2017, 10:44 AM
5.8-6.2 mag quake at NORK nuke site. Building ins China and Russia shaking.

Worst case scenario:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/14051/north-korea-shows-h-bomb-warhead-design-says-it-will-use-it-in-emp-strike

spence
09-03-2017, 11:27 AM
What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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JohnR
09-03-2017, 11:41 AM
What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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Well, if they could put that on their HS14 they could hit Boston, and NY (and NWC NPT).

Norks have been successful with a lot of their tests lately.

Out on the edge of possible - hence the worst case scenario -is the EMP.

nightfighter
09-03-2017, 02:33 PM
Even more disturbing is seeing how far he has gone without either Russia or China taking a stand. Unless one of them is in bed with him.... One would think that Putin values his vast bank account more than any trust or alliance with Kim. And I am a little surprised that China's US educated president hasn't minimized Kim's risk to his country's growth position in the world economy. Both of those leaders have much more to lose than Kim does if he lights off a live one.....

scottw
09-04-2017, 01:54 PM
What are you worried about they can't hit Boston.
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how are things in Canada?

DZ
09-05-2017, 07:44 AM
Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.

Nebe
09-05-2017, 07:47 AM
Trump doesn't have the balls to actually get militarily involved here. He will talk this up and push things to the brink but it's all talk. It reminds me of Obamas red line in the sand regarding Syria
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Nebe
09-05-2017, 07:48 AM
And if he did get us involved, we will be looking at WWIII.
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DZ
09-05-2017, 08:00 AM
Looks like we will be potentially cutting off all trade with any country that supports NK - China. Will isolating China work since they have financed most of our debt?

spence
09-05-2017, 08:47 AM
Looks like we will be potentially cutting off all trade with any country that supports NK - China. Will isolating China work since they have financed most of our debt?
It would shutdown the global economy.
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JohnR
09-05-2017, 08:55 AM
Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.

They are known for sharing much of their nuke tech with Iran. Gee, almost wonder who could be financing this. In an unrelated note, glad Obama stopped Iran's nuke problem and didn't give them any money.

Trump doesn't have the balls to actually get militarily involved here. He will talk this up and push things to the brink but it's all talk. It reminds me of Obamas red line in the sand regarding Syria
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I am not sure about this.

It would shutdown the global economy.
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Yes. And the fraying ends of global peace with it maybe.

Nebe
09-05-2017, 09:31 AM
They are known for sharing much of their nuke tech with Iran. Gee, almost wonder who could be financing this. In an unrelated note, glad Obama stopped Iran's nuke problem and didn't give them any money.



I am not sure about this.



Yes. And the fraying ends of global peace with it maybe.

And with the fraying of global peace.... you have...... wait forrrrrrr it...........wait forrrrrrrrrrr it...........


WW3
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JohnR
09-05-2017, 01:42 PM
And with the fraying of global peace.... you have...... wait forrrrrrr it...........wait forrrrrrrrrrr it...........


WW3
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10 million North / South Koreans dead would be horrible, beyond horrible - but not existential.

China / Russia, that is existential.

Got Stripers
09-05-2017, 02:43 PM
You would think China would have a vested interest in reining in this nut job, but it's scary to see Kim just continue to escalate the testing and rhetoric.

wdmso
09-05-2017, 04:03 PM
the North has the Bomb it keeps them safe its not offensive nor are ours

Trump and his UN ambassador have boxed themselves in a corner.. with all the tough talk their base loves ... I am not sure the base fully understands this isn't some Isis guy they watched get smoked thru a Thermal camera

A shooting war will cost many American Lives ..


And China has a treaty with the North generally promoted peaceful cooperation in the areas of culture, economics, technology and other social benefits between the two nations.[4] Specifically, Article 2 of the treaty declares the two nations undertake all necessary measures to oppose any country or coalition of countries that might attack either nation.[5]

The most recent renewal will remain in effect until 2021.

wdmso
09-05-2017, 04:10 PM
Who says you have to launch it from NK? Possibilities are endless for NK to farm it out to other bad actors. Hell, it could be possible to place it on a Merchant ship bound for a US port. Something that big doesn't even need to be detonated close - just downwind toward the US. A terrorists dream. This guy needs to be taken out.


Thats pure fear mongering there is no intel about a 1st strike weapon ,, your SCENARIO applies more to Pakistan

wdmso
09-05-2017, 04:13 PM
You would think China would have a vested interest in reining in this nut job, but it's scary to see Kim just continue to escalate the testing and rhetoric.


He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US

Sea Dangles
09-05-2017, 04:49 PM
He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US

Because he was really a traditional leader before Trump was president?
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buckman
09-05-2017, 05:08 PM
He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US

Maybe your idea of a traditional leader and I don't think Trump is playing games . Your boy played games
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wdmso
09-05-2017, 06:37 PM
Maybe your idea of a traditional leader and I don't think Trump is playing games . Your boy played games
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Your correct Trump has no idea how the games played ... and that in its self is a problem. .. well it's your boys ball now! not many choices does he punt or go long or attack north korea plz tell us what should he do ?

nightfighter
09-06-2017, 08:23 AM
And now we have had the possibility of an EMP attack put into the conversation by..... North Korea. They don't need to be able to "hit" Boston, or NY, or DC. Just lob it up there, 250 miles above, say, middle continental US, right around space station altitude and detonate.... Nothing you can look at from where you are reading this will operate if it needs electric power.....

Got Coleman stove?

JohnR
09-06-2017, 08:52 AM
And now we have had the possibility of an EMP attack put into the conversation by..... North Korea. They don't need to be able to "hit" Boston, or NY, or DC. Just lob it up there, 250 miles above, say, middle continental US, right around space station altitude and detonate.... Nothing you can look at from where you are reading this will operate if it needs electric power.....

Got Coleman stove?


EMP is arguably my greatest concern and I have seen smart people on the nuke discuss both state it is over-hyped and not much of a threat to everyone willdiestarfishprime .

What I do know is that a federal group I am member of has been actively looking at it for some time.

Fishpart
09-06-2017, 11:14 AM
We could simply return to the way we handled Kim for the previous 8 years. Send him some Uranium and Physics books and tell him to go play in his room... How'd that work out for us?

spence
09-06-2017, 11:25 AM
We could simply return to the way we handled Kim for the previous 8 years. Send him some Uranium and Physics books and tell him to go play in his room... How'd that work out for us?
Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.

It will be interesting to see how China's position evolves on this. There's concern growing that the mountain they've been detonating all these bombs under could collapse and start spreading radiation into China...this wouldn't be good.

scottw
09-06-2017, 11:30 AM
Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.

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well...he did lower the ocean levels and kill Bin Laden...also handled the Russians, Syrians and Iranians "brilliantly"....so NK should have been a lay up....maybe a cup o' tea with the dictator or something :)

Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 01:56 PM
He's following Trumps Lead,, Kim is being a non Traditional Leader and has no issues playing this game of Chicken with the US

"He's following Trumps Lead"

So Kim wasn't playing games until Trump got elected?

"Kim is being a non Traditional Leader"

Non-traditional? That's how you describe him? Geez, don't be so hard on the guy.

Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 01:57 PM
Unless you wanted to invade and have Seoul leveled by howitzers I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do.

It will be interesting to see how China's position evolves on this. There's concern growing that the mountain they've been detonating all these bombs under could collapse and start spreading radiation into China...this wouldn't be good.

"I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do. "

I "expected" Obama to do exactly what he did, i.e., zip. I "hoped" he would do what the world knows needs to be done, which is to get China to reign that maniac in.

Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 01:58 PM
well...he did lower the ocean levels and kill Bin Laden...also handled the Russians, Syrians and Iranians "brilliantly"....so NK should have been a lay up....maybe a cup o' tea with the dictator or something :)

Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...

scottw
09-06-2017, 02:46 PM
Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...

I heard he was on Facebook attacking Trump...which is pretty funny if you think about it....maybe Obama will fly to Florida, hold up his arms and divert the hurricane :bl:

PaulS
09-06-2017, 02:55 PM
Brilliant. I am curious to see what response you get from the Obama apologists...

As opposed to the Trump apologists who claim NK is Obama's fault but give Trump credit from day 1 for the economy? Maybe Trump should have worked on NK earlier and it would have all been solved?

Hypocrites?

Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 03:35 PM
As opposed to the Trump apologists who claim NK is Obama's fault but give Trump credit from day 1 for the economy? Maybe Trump should have worked on NK earlier and it would have all been solved?

Hypocrites?

How many trump apologists are here? Any?

NK was a problem before obama got elected - who on this planet, has claimed otherwise? In 8 years, you tell me Paul, what did obama do to improve things? I believe, that obama believed, that he could make the world better just by making people see how hip he is. That reference Scott keeps making from obamas inaugural, where obama said something like " let today be the day we remember as the day when oceans stopped rising and the planet began to heal." I mean, that's as narcissistic and egomaniacal as anything trump has ever said.
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wdmso
09-06-2017, 03:43 PM
"I'm not sure what you expected Obama to do. "

I "expected" Obama to do exactly what he did, i.e., zip. I "hoped" he would do what the world knows needs to be done, which is to get China to reign that maniac in.


This is the issue you see North Korea as solely an American issue same with the Iran Deal but again those are not the Facts

the US has not acted unilaterally they acted with the WORLD in both of theses issues

But the rights Base are clueless and think thats whats happen under Obama he acted unilaterally and now kim has the bomb in 8 years
the truth is they were making the bomb well before Obama but again Plz dont let facts get in the way

1st test October 9, 2006, then may 2009 then feb 2013 Jan 2016 September 2016 ,September 2017

PaulS
09-06-2017, 03:48 PM
How many trump apologists are here? Any?

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Anyone who tried to defend him for saying that people who marched with the nazis where "fine" people or who have tried telling us what he meant vs what he actually said for starters. How about people who say he's being sarcastic when there's no indication he was being sarcastic? I could add a lot more.

First time in history we've had a president defending Nazis.
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Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 04:04 PM
This is the issue you see North Korea as solely an American issue same with the Iran Deal but again those are not the Facts

the US has not acted unilaterally they acted with the WORLD in both of theses issues

But the rights Base are clueless and think thats whats happen under Obama he acted unilaterally and now kim has the bomb in 8 years
the truth is they were making the bomb well before Obama but again Plz dont let facts get in the way

1st test October 9, 2006, then may 2009 then feb 2013 Jan 2016 September 2016 ,September 2017

I don't see this as a us only issue at all. Once again, you are responding to something that no one has said. Obama was supposed to be the guy, unlike bush, who could get other countries to help us, by being nicer to them. Did the world line up to help obama with NK?
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Jim in CT
09-06-2017, 04:21 PM
First time in history we've had a president defending Nazis.
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I see.

So when Trump says "I condemn violence and bigotry on all sides", what you hear, is "I like Nazis".

Yes, he could have been very specific about calling them out separately from Antifa. He's a rotten speaker. And he may well have been wrong in his assumption that there were "fine" people mixed in.

If you look at everything he said, he clearly condemned the bigots, but was allowing for the possibility that there were non-bigots in the group. He may have been 100% wrong in that assessment. But to conclude that he was "defending Nazis", is completely irrational.

I can make a LONG list of character flaws that Trump has, and some are very ugly. Nazi sympathizer, isn't on the list, at least, not based on his comments from Charlottesville.

nightfighter
09-06-2017, 04:27 PM
First time in history we've had a president defending Nazis.
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I would have to do some deep digging, but I am 75% sure there were some words spoken on their behalf by FDR, pre Pearl Harbor, said in an effort to keep the US neutral and out of the war in Europe. Again, pre WW2. Just saying and has no bearing on current discussion.

scottw
09-06-2017, 07:13 PM
As opposed to the Trump apologists who claim NK is Obama's fault but give Trump credit from day 1 for the economy?

Hypocrites?

name one...:btu:

PaulS
09-07-2017, 07:01 AM
I see.

So when Trump says "I condemn violence and bigotry on all sides", what you hear, is "I like Nazis".No, what I hear is what he said - read it. He was trying to put Nazis on equal footing with people who were marching against NAZIs.

Yes, he could have been very specific about calling them out separately from Antifa. He's a rotten speaker. And he may well have been wrong in his assumption that there were "fine" people mixed in.Go back and read what he said - everytime he called out a Nazi, he had to add something about antifa as if it killed him to call out a nazi.

If you look at everything he said, he clearly condemned the bigots, but was allowing for the possibility that there were non-bigots in the group.I would say if you think you are not a bigot and the person next to you is yelling something about Jews and is a self professed Nazi and you don't leave - you then are a bigot. He may have been 100% wrong in that assessment. But to conclude that he was "defending Nazis", is completely irrational. He was defending nazis' bc some in the crowd word MAGA hats - ie "they like me, therefore they are me and me can't be all bad so they can't be bad".

I can make a LONG list of character flaws that Trump has, and some are very ugly. Nazi sympathizer, isn't on the list, at least, not based on his comments from Charlottesville.

I read that Bannon pushed Pres Trump not to criticize the Alt right too strongly for fear of alienating Trump's core supports. What Bannon failed to recogonize is that the majority of Trump's supporters criticized the Alt right who participated in those marches and where horrified by Trump not criticizing the Nazis more. The thing I can't figure out is he likes "winners" so why isn't he calling for the removal of the statutes of a bunch of traitorous losers?

But back to the apologists - So aren't you being an apologist? Can't the same be said for anyone who posts on either side of a discussion in most threads?

Jim in CT
09-07-2017, 08:10 AM
I read that Bannon pushed Pres Trump not to criticize the Alt right too strongly for fear of alienating Trump's core supports. What Bannon failed to recogonize is that the majority of Trump's supporters criticized the Alt right who participated in those marches and where horrified by Trump not criticizing the Nazis more. The thing I can't figure out is he likes "winners" so why isn't he calling for the removal of the statutes of a bunch of traitorous losers?

But back to the apologists - So aren't you being an apologist? Can't the same be said for anyone who posts on either side of a discussion in most threads?

"He was trying to put Nazis on equal footing with people who were marching against NAZIs."

Please post exactly what he said, that you interpreted as him equating Nazis, with those who oppose Nazis. He may have equated the violent jerks on both sides (Antifa is nothing more than a terrorist group), that's hardly the same thing as what you accused him of.

"everytime he called out a Nazi, he had to add something about antifa as if it killed him to call out a nazi."

So he called out both Nazis and Antifa. And that's what ticks you off. Yes, he could have said "Nazis have killed more people than Antifa ever will". But that's nowhere near "defending Nazis", which is what you accused him of.

"I would say if you think you are not a bigot and the person next to you is yelling something about Jews and is a self professed Nazi and you don't leave - you then are a bigot"

That's not a bad point. But interesting that you chose not to apply that logic to Obama, who had Al Sharpton in the Oval Office almost 100 times, and I don't recall you offering a syllable of criticism for that. How about we establish some rules, and we apply them equally to all presidents, regardless of party?

"He was defending nazis' bc some in the crowd word MAGA hats - ie "they like me, therefore they are me and me can't be all bad so they can't be bad".

He has condemned all kinds of bigotry, dozens of times, on camera. But let's ignore all that, because it doesn't fit The Narrative. The Narrative is having a hard time lately.

"aren't you being an apologist?"

No, I am being a rational adult who holds him accountable for the things he actually says and does. Just because I don't heap fabricated criticism at Trump, doesn't mean I am an apologist. I am highly, highly critical of the man. But I do it honestly, and that's the difference between us.

PaulS
09-07-2017, 08:50 AM
"He was trying to put Nazis on equal footing with people who were marching against NAZIs."

Please post exactly what he said, that you interpreted as him equating Nazis, with those who oppose Nazis. He may have equated the violent jerks on both sides (Antifa is nothing more than a terrorist group), that's hardly the same thing as what you accused him of.TRUMP: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it. And you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that. But Iíll say it right now.

[cross talk]

You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.

REPORTER: Do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis?

TRUMP: All of those people ó Excuse me ó Iíve condemned neo-Nazis. Iíve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee.




REPORTER: Mr. President, are you putting what you are calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?

TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane. What Iím saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch. But there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You have just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but thatís the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides?

TRUMP: Well I do think thereís blame. Yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it. And you donít have doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.





REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest ó

TRUMP: Excuse me. They didnít put themselves down as neo-Nazis. And you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.

You had people in that group ó excuse me, excuse me ó I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.




"everytime he called out a Nazi, he had to add something about antifa as if it killed him to call out a nazi."

So he called out both Nazis and Antifa. And that's what ticks you off. I'm not ticked off at all. I think it is hilarious to watch the apologists try to explain his actions. Yes, he could have said "Nazis have killed more people than Antifa ever will". But that's nowhere near "defending Nazis", which is what you accused him of.

"I would say if you think you are not a bigot and the person next to you is yelling something about Jews and is a self professed Nazi and you don't leave - you then are a bigot"

That's not a bad point. But interesting that you chose not to apply that logic to Obama, who had Al Sharpton in the Oval Office almost 100 times, and I don't recall you offering a syllable of criticism for that. I never defended him nor did I critize him. Am I supposed to respond to every one of your numerous posts? I did defend him on your constant complaining about Rev. Wright. How about we establish some rules, and we apply them equally to all presidents, regardless of party? Fine with me - so does that mean all those posts about Obama's vacations, mom pants, the amount of exec. orders, etc. will get deleted or are you going to go back and change your comment on them?

"He was defending nazis' bc some in the crowd word MAGA hats - ie "they like me, therefore they are me and me can't be all bad so they can't be bad".

He has condemned all kinds of bigotry, dozens of times, on camera. But let's ignore all that, because it doesn't fit The Narrative. The Narrative is having a hard time lately.The "narrative" is he only does it when he gets called out. Something along the lines of "fine, I denounce" after his lying and saying he doesn't know anything about David Duke even though there is tape w/Trump talking about Duke previously. Took proding for him to make a comment on Charlottesville and then he said he had to gather the facts - as if that has ever stopped him from tweeting before knowing any facts:laugha: The Neo Nazis where thrilled w/Trump's comments after Charlottesville

"aren't you being an apologist?"

No, I am being a rational adult who holds him accountable for the things he actually says and does. Just because I don't heap fabricated criticism at Trumpexpecting your Pres. not to lie is fabricated criticism (or bitter hatred)?, doesn't mean I am an apologist. I am highly, highly critical of the man.really only his crassness and lying - I'll give you that. But I do it honestly, and that's the difference between us.

That is your view- I think you are an apologist (I'll guess I'll start using that here) and a hypocrite. Should we pull up a post where you said only the nut who shot Giffords was guilty and not anyone on the right and then recently said the nut who shot Scalise was a result of the left's actions? I called DS on that one and let you off easy even though you had repeatedly argued basically the same thing as him in the same threads. How about your complaining about Obama blaming Bush for leaving him a bad economy and your complaining that he shouldn't talk about the prior Pres? You seems to not have a problem w/Pres. Trump's constant complaining of not only the former Pres. but of the defeated candidate. Pure hypocrisy.

Jim in CT
09-07-2017, 09:04 AM
Paul -

"And you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that. But Iíll say it right now"

There were two groups there at the same time. They are both disgusting. Is one worse than the other? Probably.

That's not "defending Nazis", not even close.

"to watch the apologists"

If you think I am a Trump apologist, you don't know what "apologist" means. I hate the guy. But I hate him for the things he has actually said and done.

If you have no quarrel with Obama meeting with Sharpton dozens of times, it's the height of hypocrisy for you to say that anyone standing next to a racist, should leave the premises, or they are a racist. Try making that wrong.

I don't need to change any of my criticisms of Obama. My criticisms were based on facts (well some were clearly personal as I didn't like the guy), and I don't hold Trump to a lower standard. The double standard is on your side. Again, on one hand you have no problem with Obama meeting with Sharpton dozens of times. On the other hand, you say Trump should denounce everyone that was standing next to the racists. How is that, in any way, consistent?

"really only his crassness and lying". His disgusting views towards women, too. When he exhibits true racist behaviors, I'll criticize him for it. I won't fabricate it.

Jim in CT
09-07-2017, 09:19 AM
Paul, here's my issue with the left's treatment of Trump.

For 8 years, the left claimed that it was no big deal that Obama was admittedly close to two loathsome racists - Rev Wright, and Rev Sharpton.

But now, the left is telling me it's a huge deal that Trump associated himself with Steve Bannon. And I guess it's a bad sign that Trump doesn't wake up every morning and have a press conference that he doesn't start off by saying "I don't like Hitler".

My dog could spot the glaring double standard, and he's not an overly bright dog.

Does the right engage in that kind of hypocrisy? Of course, that's politics. But not to the same degree. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when he deserves it. Not many liberals dared to criticize Obama. It's not the same thing.

If I was a lefty political consultant, i would be telling the DNC to spread the message that despite controlling everything, the GOP can't get a damn thing done. That's a very fair criticism (it ticks me off to no end), and it could hurt the GOP in 2018. Instead, the democrats are devoting all their time to making Trump out to be Darth Vader. Maybe it will work. We'll see.

Nebe
09-07-2017, 09:36 AM
Paul, here's my issue with the left's treatment of Trump.

For 8 years, the left claimed that it was no big deal that Obama was admittedly close to two loathsome racists - Rev Wright, and Rev Sharpton.

But now, the left is telling me it's a huge deal that Trump associated himself with Steve Bannon. And I guess it's a bad sign that Trump doesn't wake up every morning and have a press conference that he doesn't start off by saying "I don't like Hitler".

My dog could spot the glaring double standard, and he's not an overly bright dog.

Does the right engage in that kind of hypocrisy? Of course, that's politics. But not to the same degree. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when he deserves it. Not many liberals dared to criticize Obama. It's not the same thing.

If I was a lefty political consultant, i would be telling the DNC to spread the message that despite controlling everything, the GOP can't get a damn thing done. That's a very fair criticism (it ticks me off to no end), and it could hurt the GOP in 2018. Instead, the democrats are devoting all their time to making Trump out to be Darth Vader. Maybe it will work. We'll see.

You could have just said... "but Obama..."
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Jim in CT
09-07-2017, 09:45 AM
You could have just said... "but Obama..."
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Here's the thing...if I am going to try and explain why I feel there is a double-standard, I kind of have to refer to the POTUS who I claim got preferential treatment.

How else would one go about demonstrating a double standard, then by comparing the way the 2 have been treated? Can you tell me how you'd do it?

Nebe
09-07-2017, 09:53 AM
2 wrongs have never made a right.
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JohnR
09-07-2017, 10:46 AM
2 wrongs have never made a right.
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But BU5H!tler

Nebe
09-07-2017, 10:53 AM
But BU5H!tler

Yeah. Exactly.
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PaulS
09-07-2017, 02:55 PM
Paul, here's my issue with the left's treatment of Trump.

For 8 years, the left claimed that it was no big deal that Obama was admittedly close to two loathsome racists - Rev Wright, and Rev Sharpton. As despicable as Sharpton was (Brawley/Pagones - can name them off the top of my head) I don't view him the same as Nazis or KKK.

But now, the left is telling me it's a huge deal that Trump associated himself with Steve Bannon. I view some of his ideas as repugnant so just as you viewed Sharpton that way, others view Bannon that way. And I guess it's a bad sign that Trump doesn't wake up every morning and have a press conference that he doesn't start off by saying "I don't like Hitler".

My dog could spot the glaring double standard, and he's not an overly bright dog.It's not a double standard it is the other side of the coin.

Does the right engage in that kind of hypocrisy? Of course, that's politics. But not to the same degree. BS - it is the same.Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when he deserves it. Not many liberals dared to criticize Obama. It's not the same thing.TThe diff. is Trump isn't conservative - at this point he is clay and can be molded by the last person who talks to him bf he tweets.



NM

Jim in CT
09-07-2017, 03:56 PM
NM
Yes it is a double standard. Almost no one on the left cared about rev wright or sharpton, but those same people cannot stand that a potus would associate with Steve Bannon. Textbook double standard.

Sharpton incited violence that led directly to white Americans being murdered. I don't know that Steve bannon has blood directly on his hands.

I agree that nazis and the klan are worse. But fortunately for you, trump has given you zero compelling reason to suspect he sympathizes with them.
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The Dad Fisherman
09-08-2017, 09:13 PM
A racist POS is a racist POS, regardless of the color of their skin. It's asinine that people are arguing which Racist POS is better.

Therein lies the hypocrisy
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Got Stripers
09-22-2017, 06:38 AM
I think Trump telling the world he is going to totally destroy NK is just fueling that nut jobs will to keep pushing our buttons in any way he can. Think it, imply it with subtle rhetoric, but let the sanctions try to work before you make Kim go do something we will all regret.

buckman
09-22-2017, 07:10 AM
I think Trump telling the world he is going to totally destroy NK is just fueling that nut jobs will to keep pushing our buttons in any way he can. Think it, imply it with subtle rhetoric, but let the sanctions try to work before you make Kim go do something we will all regret.

Do you actually intend to blame Trump if North Korea does something stupid?
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Nebe
09-22-2017, 07:49 AM
Do you actually intend to blame Trump if North Korea does something stupid?
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All Nk wants is to be left alone. They can be played like a fiddle and it's plainly obvious what is going on here. I won't say trump is to blame but who ever is pulling the strings is just waiting for NK to make a big mistake which will be used as an excuse for another senseless war.
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JohnR
09-22-2017, 08:15 AM
All Nk wants is to be left alone.

Seriously?

They can be played like a fiddle and it's plainly obvious what is going on here. I won't say trump is to blame but who ever is pulling the strings is just waiting for NK to make a big mistake which will be used as an excuse for another senseless war.
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This problem has been Clinton / Bush / Obama admins and the Can has been kicked to Trump.

wdmso
09-22-2017, 11:08 AM
Seriously?



This problem has been Clinton / Bush / Obama admins and the Can has been kicked to Trump.

this is a world issue not an American POTUS only issue ..not sure why everyone frames it as a US only issue .. and to say the can has been kicked to Trump sound Like your giving him a pass

NK program is not offensive its all about regime preservation look what the US has done to non Nuke Countrys the last 60 years .. Its easy to see the desire to have a Nuke as a deterrent.. thats why we have them is it not?

scottw
09-22-2017, 11:18 AM
NK program is not offensive



15 SEPTEMBER 2017
North Korea fires second missile over Japan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/north-korea-files-another-ballistic-missile-japan-residents/

Nebe
09-22-2017, 11:18 AM
Stop making sense !
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Got Stripers
09-22-2017, 11:24 AM
Do you actually intend to blame Trump if North Korea does something stupid?
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Of course not but do you seriously think his rhetoric is helping? Keep kicking the crazy dog and instead of just barring his teeth, he might actually attack you.
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wdmso
09-22-2017, 03:39 PM
15 SEPTEMBER 2017
North Korea fires second missile over Japan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/14/north-korea-files-another-ballistic-missile-japan-residents/

Thats how it works who's going to think twice about attacking NK if NK only Talk about a Having a Missile


Pyongyang knows there is no way to use their weapons for gain that would not immediately provoke massive counter-costs.


this make more sense THE ESCALATION SPIRAL
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2017/08/09/the-real-reason-a-north-korean-nuclear-weapon-is-so-terrifying-and-its-not-what-you-think/

scottw
09-22-2017, 06:01 PM
Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

NK program is not offensive




North Korea fires second missile over Japan:nailem:




[QUOTE=wdmso;1128610]

Thats how it works who's going to think twice about attacking NK if NK only Talk about a Having a Missile



:huh:

Jim in CT
09-23-2017, 07:00 PM
All Nk wants is to be left alone. They can be played like a fiddle and it's plainly obvious what is going on here. I won't say trump is to blame but who ever is pulling the strings is just waiting for NK to make a big mistake which will be used as an excuse for another senseless war.
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"All Nk wants is to be left alone. '

Are you serious? They KIDNAP citizens of other countries and bring them to North Korea, to tell Emperor Fatty how people in other countries live. Imagine if that happened to someone you care about?

Good God...

"They can be played like a fiddle. "

No one has figured out how. Looks like they played YOU like a fiddle, if you think they just want to be left alone.

Got Stripers
09-23-2017, 07:59 PM
War of words can only last so long and then what?

buckman
09-23-2017, 08:30 PM
War of words can only last so long and then what?

I don't think this will end well . Bill Clinton set the timeline much the way Obama has done with Iran . When you kick the can down the road you eventually run out of road . Thousands of lives will be lost .
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Jim in CT
09-24-2017, 08:10 AM
I don't think this will end well . Bill Clinton set the timeline much the way Obama has done with Iran . When you kick the can down the road you eventually run out of road . Thousands of lives will be lost .
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Previous administrations did not do much at all. Whatever happens, it's Emperor Fatty's doing.

Nebe
09-24-2017, 08:23 AM
Remove sanctions. Leave them alone and the can can be kicked down the road for generations. I'll say it again. All they want is to be left alone. Furthermore Kim Jong-un's current actions are that of someone who is trying to show his people how strong he is. The people of NK are brainwashed into thinking that he is that of godlike status. To stand up to the US only props up his god like power over his people.
Trump on the other hand is doing this as a distraction for what is going on within his own administration. A classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Had he not chosen to resort to this childish name calling game, the media would making all of us pay more attention to Russian investigations, corruption issues with how much money his resorts bill the us tax payer from his visits, etc. The closer he gets to loosing power, the better our chances are of war.. just wait and see. There's no better way to regain hold on power than a fresh new war.
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JohnR
09-24-2017, 08:47 AM
this is a world issue not an American POTUS only issue ..not sure why everyone frames it as a US only issue US has been poorly trying to contain this for several decades and had sustained brushback from China and Russia - who support most anything that makes life more difficult for the US

.. and to say the can has been kicked to Trump sound Like your giving him a pass

No, but the options have gotten increasingly fewer and worse until where we are now.

NK program is not offensive its all about regime preservation look what the US has done to non Nuke Countrys the last 60 years .. Its easy to see the desire to have a Nuke as a deterrent.. thats why we have them is it not?
So it is a America's fault?

I do agree it is more deterrent WRT to NK-v-USA - not an existential threat to us as they would likely have a hard time hitting our cities, let alone a lot of them. SK and Japan, our two best allies in Asia, face an existential threat.

Remove sanctions. Leave them alone and the can can be kicked down the road for generations. I'll say it again. All they want is to be left alone. Furthermore Kim Jong-un's current actions are that of someone who is trying to show his people how strong he is. The people of NK are brainwashed into thinking that he is that of godlike status. To stand up to the US only props up his god like power over his people.
Trump on the other hand is doing this as a distraction for what is going on within his own administration. A classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Had he not chosen to resort to this childish name calling game, the media would making all of us pay more attention to Russian investigations, corruption issues with how much money his resorts bill the us tax payer from his visits, etc. The closer he gets to loosing power, the better our chances are of war.. just wait and see. There's no better way to regain hold on power than a fresh new war.
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:smokin:

Got Stripers
09-25-2017, 04:00 PM
Please, please, someone take Trumps phone away before he can respond to the the latest escalation in the war or words. I truly believe Trumps has no clue how irresponsible his rhetoric is when it comes to NK. I hope he just shuts the F up, let the UN and maybe China coming to the table handle this. I can't imagine living in SK or Japan as a native or part of the military, the fuse just seems to be getting shorter and shorter.
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Nebe
09-25-2017, 04:35 PM
I miss George W Bush
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