What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

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Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

Oh and I'm sure it doesn't need to be said, but I'll throw it out there anyways; Al Franken has always been a moron.

Part of the problem is the lines between Hollywood and public service are so blurred. I don't know why (perhaps it's the fantasy world/role play) but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country. Then many of them seek out public service when their acting careers are washed up. Most of them are blithering idiots that think they can do what they wish. Just because you were able to sell yourself doesn't equate intelligence or good values. This country is going down the sheeter real fast. I'm glad I'm on the downhill side, but I feel bad for younger generations like my grandson.

"but all too many people in Hollywood from the top down feel they posses superior intelligence over the rest of the country"

Because they think fame/money is correlated with intelligence/character. It's not. Maybe the studio heads are sharp and talented, but the actors are nothing more than beautiful puppets.

"This country is going down the sheeter real fast."

Our moral compass could use a tune-up, that's for sure.

What the heck do we do, when politicians are accused of sexual harassment, many years earlier? (If your name is Kennedy or Clinton, we do nothing and allow liberals to hail you as a hero, but let's save that).

Part of me says where there's smoke there's fire, so we should kick them to the curb. But that encourages people in the other party to fabricate claims. Part of me says you are innocent until proven guilty.

Would be awfully nice if we had one set of rules in these cases, that applied to both parties.

You could add dozens of past presidents to that list and based of the video leaked of Trump saying he could do anything, I’m sort of surprised some women have come out of his closet
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Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump. :rotf2:

I guess you can't pat a girl on the butt anymore to figure out if she'll go out with ya,,, what's this world coming to?

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump. :rotf2:

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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Moore is a democrat??
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Moore is a democrat??
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:spin:

Nice. It only took 6 posts to make it about Trump. :rotf2:

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

About Moore my only comment is 14yrs old

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

Totally agree. Times are changing for the better.
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:spin:

You didn't know Pres. Kennedy and Clinton were democrats?
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Just what you want to see in a US Senator.

We (BOTH sides) need a better way to pick people of character...

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

We elected Eisenhower. We weren't always this,,,I don't know the word anymore...stupid? Shallow?

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no


Sorry I don't have a picture of him jamming his tongue down her throat....but maybe one will surface
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And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

The title of the thread includes one republican and one democrat. That's not balanced enough?

Why ruin it by mentioning 2 democratic presidents when it seems like both bushes, Reagan and Trump have all been accused.
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And NOW, after all this time, liberals are starting to call out Bill Clinton. Now that he serves no purpose. There is nothing more intellectually bankrupt, than someone who defended him for 25 years, who criticizes him now. Now that the GOP is running everything, NOW the liberals are saying that sexual harassment is not something we want in our politicians.

These people have no shame. None.

How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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Here's the difference Paul, and it's a huge difference. Many, many many influential Republicans attacked Trump for this. Many many many influential Republicans didn't vote for him. Show me that same outrage for Bill Clinton (back then, when it mattered) from influential liberals? Good luck. Gloria Steinem for Gods sake, wrote a huge essay defending Bill Clinton. Probably the most famous "feminist" alive, was a huge Bill Clinton supporter.

You're fighting a losing battle on this issue...

Anita Hill? She was quite possibly making it all up.

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....

Anita Hill was a reluctant Witness, totally credible and got hammered. Trump was attacked just as much because they did not like him for his politics. He still won the Republican primaries when they had conservatives, moderates, women, African-Americans etc.etc there was a lot of choices other than Trump and he still got millions and millions of votes. Look at the evangelicals defending moore.
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Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?)..

Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera. Now it's changed and as I said earlier for the better. I think women have now felt empowered to come out they're seeing that there's no shame in being molested. They're seeing these other women come out and thinking how Brave it is of them to do it . Certainly some of their stories may not be as good as others but I think it takes a brave person to go in front of the camera and tell their story.
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Until very recently the accuser always was never believed unless they had actual pictures or video excetera.

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this is not true...and that's odd grammar

First off, in no way do I condone what Franken did.....
That said, has anyone besides me googled his accuser and clicked through her images? I am NOT saying this is reason to harass or anything, but.... how many millions has she received from those photos? What was she selling?

And further playing devil's advocate...this was in 2006? Where has she been since then? And where was Allie Raisman's father in all these years since she was abused by a US team doctor? (and where was her voice until now?) Seems the chance to grasp at a gold medal (and the millions that she will reap from them over her lifetime) was worth more than coming forward back then. If that was my daughter, I would done that man some serious damage, insuring he would never touch another girl again.....


most of theses women see their is safety in Numbers less stigma and easy to attack 1 women but when multiple women come out on 1 person with the same story thats a game changer

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

You forcibly kissed me without my consent,(thats an issues)
grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it,( never touched her breast or even the body armor see photo ) knowing I would see it later ( seem shes had the photo since 2006 ) , and be ashamed.(thats why he took it? to shame her ? by that photo? shes not ashamed of her other phots across the internet?

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

I think he has another accuser ....probably more as time goes on?...isn't that how this goes now?..look at Spacey

regarding Moore....don't know why anyone, particularly on the left, would be at all surprised...isn't the condescending Northeast Liberal and Hollywood frequent caricaturization of southerners as hayseed hick goobers who date and molest young women, particularly relatives?...this should just confirm their beliefs....

on the other hand...when the high minded, pontificating, highly evolved, condescending Northeast Liberal/Hollywood types who are generally "BETTER PEOPLE" engage in this abhorrent behavior....well...what are we to think?...though we know this has been the norm for a LONG time :confused:

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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doubt it....

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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How many women accused you're recently elected Republican president was it 16 or 19? You even have him on tape saying you just walk up and grab them by the p$$$$! Have the Republicans no shame? Ever hear of Anita Hill?
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The other major problem with your side's zero credibility on this issue, is that democrats (not you, but politicians and media) never stop whining that the GOP is waging a war on women. When the democrats have welcomed Hollywood into their ranks, that's a very interesting thing to claim. It's a joke, it is absolutely belied by the facts of what happens on both sides, and it's a big reason why the democrats are obsolete in DC, and in many states, at the moment.

Yes, the GOP has a president at the moment who objectifies women, no doubt. As I said, he (unlike Bill and Hilary) got all kinds of heat for that, from within his own party.

If there is a war on women, Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war. He is the Audie Murphy of the war on women.

She has accepted his apologie and stated she has not suggested he resign. So unless more women come forward against him . The story ends
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Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?

No it will be kept alive for political reasons.
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Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

And now George H.W.
I don't condone it on either side of the political spectrum, but found this one somewhat comical. It probably came about due to senility/dimentia? Does he even know he's doing something wrong?:spin:
There are some women accusers I find comical as well. :rotf3:

And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me. :smash:

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?
If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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one is a democrat that will probably run for president now ...that's the only difference :humpty:

The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??

My point is men in power, whether it's the sitting president of the USA or Hollywood biggest movie studio, or my X boss who was a big time pig; they all feel above the law or their own companies HR policies.

:btu: - People in power wielding their power over others - at times more sinister than others - but almost always at the significant expense of the other

Can you grope body armor ? And can you say you were groped when you were never physically touched ? Or is that air groping ? You can say not funny jump to sexual assault i would say no

About Moore my only comment is 14yrs old

Huh - you are going awfully light on Franken.

Were was this rational thought before the election ?

It was there in some not in others - both parties did a good job of putting the sludge of the septic forward

most of theses women see their is safety in Numbers less stigma and easy to attack 1 women but when multiple women come out on 1 person with the same story thats a game changer

Franken accusers is 1 person she provided the Photo odd

You forcibly kissed me without my consent,(thats an issues)
grabbed my breasts while I was sleeping and had someone take a photo of you doing it,( never touched her breast or even the body armor see photo ) knowing I would see it later ( seem shes had the photo since 2006 ) , and be ashamed.(thats why he took it? to shame her ? by that photo? shes not ashamed of her other phots across the internet?

as this stands its a he said she said incident . and is not the same league as the people with multiple accusers . no matter how hard some try to lump them together

Huh - you are defending Franken??

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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Yes, one is disqualifying and the other should have had jail time. Neither is acceptable.

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??


it's amazing how often Gloria Allred pops up with a client on the eve of an election :hihi:

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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Huh, he did seem to evenly apply to both

Why ruin it by mentioning 2 democratic presidents when it seems like both bushes, Reagan and Trump have all been accused.
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Obama only president since 1980 not accused.

The other major problem with your side's zero credibility on this issue, is that democrats (not you, but politicians and media) never stop whining that the GOP is waging a war n women. Woman seem to think so w/all the cuts to contraceptives, etc. When the democrats have welcomed Hollywood into their ranks, that's a very interesting thing to claimIt seems like the Rep. have no problem ELECTING actors - Trump, Reagan, AAArnold, Bono, Eastwood. It's a joke, it is absolutely belied by the facts of what happens on both sides, and it's a big reason why the democrats are obsolete in DC, and in many states, at the moment.

Yes, the GOP has a president at the moment who objectifies No, it is called ASSUALT women, no doubt. As I said, he (unlike Bill and Hilary) got all kinds of heat for that, from within his own party. Yet somehow he was the Rep. nominee and got elected Pres - :jump1:

If there is a war on women, Ted Kennedy has the only confirmed kill in that war. He is the Audie Murphy of the war on women.

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

Huh, he did seem to evenly apply to both

I’m certain that if al Frankenstein was not dragged into the #meetoo witch hunt, this thread never would have been made.
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And @PaulS, thank you so much for filling me in about Kennedy and Clinton being Democrat's. Why I never knew that is beyond me. :smash:

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

What stories do you think the Russians are cooking up watching this all unfold, cyber warfare is going to be a real challenge moving forward. They will see this outrage and use it to post smear fake news if they can get by (hopefully) a more diligent online community about who to sell ads to.

NP. I just thought your response was nonsensical.

As I, yours.

Obama only president since 1980 not accused.

Yet. Or he lived in fear of the wrath of Moochelle on a daily basis. Lol

It took a Democrat being dragged into the sex scandal for Jim to decide to talk about it. #sad
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If you bothered to read the title of the thread, you'd see I am attacking a republican and a democrat. What is it about liberalism, exactly, that so often requires its adherents, to abandon intellectual honesty?

I've also made no secret how I feel about Trump. Scumbag.

If you can't understand the difference in behavior I'm not sure there's much to explain.
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Both politicians are accused of forcing themselves upon women, without consent. True or false?

The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. Always has been an issue but now reinforced / accelerated by social media??



:btu: - People in power wielding their power over others - at times more sinister than others - but almost always at the significant expense of the other



Huh - you are going awfully light on Franken.



It was there in some not in others - both parties did a good job of putting the sludge of the septic forward



Huh - you are defending Franken??



Yes, one is disqualifying and the other should have had jail time. Neither is acceptable.

"The other terrible issue, as mentioned by Jim, is we have to be watchful for people using the smear for political gain and creating false and misleading accusations to flip politically. "

Correct. How do you defend yourself, against accusations made decades earlier?

Also, the Duke lacrosse case is a reminder of why we are all innocent until proven guilty. This is a tough issue.

Obama only president since 1980 not accused.

I have a lot of issues with Obama and we are paying for his leadership today. I do not have a problem with him as an adult or father and husband to his family.


I’m certain that if al Frankenstein was not dragged into the #meetoo witch hunt, this thread never would have been made.
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I thought Wayne would have stated it until I saw his repeated defenses of Franken

(I jest, I jest)

Yet. Or he lived in fear of the wrath of Moochelle on a daily basis. Lol

^^^ See two up ; )

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

"Woman seem to think so w/all the cuts to contraceptives, etc"

Liberal women think so. Not all women.

Contraceptives are always available when there is a true health need (my wife had a need to be on the pill, which had nothing whatsoever to do with contraception. What conservatives/Christians often oppose, is forcing employers to provide free contraception, when it's to be used for recreational sex. When there is an underlying health issue, the contraception is provided. Your side usually leaves out that part.

"claimIt seems like the Rep. have no problem ELECTING actors - Trump, Reagan, AAArnold, Bono, Eastwood"

So you are denying that Hollywood leans left. Sounds rational to me.

"No, it is called ASSUALT "

He's accused of assault. He is proven guilty of objectifying.

"Yet somehow he was the Rep. nominee and got elected Pres "

Yes. But unlike the perverts on your side, Trump was widely criticized for being a jerk. Lots of influential republicans denounced him and announced that they didn't vote for him. Please tell me what influential liberals denounced Hilary because she lied to enable Bill and attacked his victims? Because I can give you a long list of conservatives who denounced Trump (Condaleeza Rice, Bush 43, George Will...)there was w hole "never Trump movement within the GOP. Was there similar resistance to Bill, Hilary, or Ted Kennedy?

Where his partners willing particpants? Can't recall them saying they weren't.

You talking about Bill? Are you serious? Juanita Broderick has long claimed he raped her. And he paid off Paula Jones with a fat settlement. But let's ignore that.

Yet. Or he lived in fear of the wrath of Moochelle on a daily basis. Lol

Classy.

And the most recent allegation against H.W was about incident in 1992.

John, my post about Barry was in jest.
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Classy.

And the most recent allegation against H.W was about incident in 1992.

My we sure are sensitive in here. Lighten up.
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If you bothered to read the title of the thread, you'd see I am attacking a republican and a democrat. What is it about liberalism, exactly, that so often requires its adherents, to abandon intellectual honesty?
You mentioned 2 Dem. presidents in your 1st post. So what is it about Conservatism that so often requires its adherents to abandon intellectual honest?
I've also made no secret how I feel about Trump. Scumbag.

NM

My we sure are sensitive in here. Lighten up.
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Don't try to wash yourself of it by making it a problem of mine. Thanks :kewl:

Classy.

.

I almost was going to post something along the same lines.

You talking about Bill? Are you serious? Juanita Broderick has long claimed he raped her. And he paid off Paula Jones with a fat settlement. But let's ignore that.

I'm talking about the person you mentioned directly above in the post - Kennedy.

NM

"You mentioned 2 Dem. presidents in your 1st post"

Ted Kennedy killed somebody and used his money to avoid responsibility, and grew in popularity among the left.

Bill Clinton had an affair in the Oval Office, looked the public in the eye, and lied about it. His wife went on national TV and slut-shamed his victims. The 2 of them, as of last week, were enormously popular with liberals.

Trump is despised by many, many influential republicans. That's the difference between my side and your side. It is a glaring difference. I am proud of that difference.

I'm talking about the person you mentioned directly above in the post - Kennedy.

Ok, let's talk about Kennedy (Ted). Mary Joe agreed to let him drive off a bridge, leave her, go back to a party, and lawyer up?

Talking about Ted Kennedy, not JFK.

Paul, there are perverts on both sides. I'm not saying all Republicans are faithful to their wives. What I'm saying, is that your side is far more tolerant, far more willing to look the other way, when high-profile politicians/entertainers act this way. Yet you claim that my side is waging war on women. It's absolute nonsense.

BIDEN-FRANKENSTEIN 2020

HEY JOE...THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE....

Don't try to wash yourself of it by making it a problem of mine. Thanks :kewl:
:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::bs:

Well why mention 2 Democrats if you're not going to mention any Republicans?
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I mentioned Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, because they are two politicians who (1) committed disgusting acts against women, and (2) paid absolutely zero political price within their own party.

You can put Trump in that category, and that would have some validity to it. But the difference is, Trump isn't regarded as a hero by many Republicans. He's a scumbag who was lucky enough to run against somebody as horrible as he is. The Kennedys and the Clintons are worshipped by most of the left. Megyn Kelly was huge on Foxnews, and she was merciless to Trump. Who on the left, who is that popular, was as tough to Ted Kennedy, or Bill Clinton, or Hilary Clinton?

Spence, remind me, which political party is accusing the GOP of waging a phony war on women? What's good for the goose...

Democrats have been having their cake and eating it too, for 25 years. If Trump's election showed us anything, it's that the people who live between the coasts, are tired of being told that everything they believe, is based on some form of hate. That kind of idiotic and tiresome thinking is finally enraging those on the receiving end.

If it's "political" to bring up Franken's actions, why isn't it "political" to discuss what Moore did? Please explain?

Of course it’s political, why else would Trump blast Franken and say nothing about Moore. From what I’ve read Franken just stepped a bit over the line, while Moore seems to be almost a border line sex offender; but he is from the south where maybe he feels if my pappy could why not me.
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BIDEN-FRANKENSTEIN 2020

HEY JOE...THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE....
You're sick and making the problem worse.
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You're sick and making the problem worse.
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if that was a guy Biden probably wouldn't be making love to his hair

Oh, so it's only an issue if the victims are still outraged by it? That makes all kinds of sense.

For the sake of argument, let's say Moore and Franken harassed women in the same exact way. Let's also assume that Franken's victim forgives him, Moore's victim does not. You are saying, in this case, Franken is fit to serve in the Senate but Moore is not? Even though they did the same exact thing?
No not at all. But that's nothat happen they are not the same thing

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester

14 years old 8 women same story can you say child molester
To consider theses the same thing is not reality

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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John, my post about Barry was in jest.
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I know ; ) - Some don't do it in jest - I don't like some of the things she has said in the past

OOPS!

POLITICS 11/17/2017

Women On Clinton And Sanders Campaigns Allege Sexual Harassment

Lilian Adams and Zoey Jordan Salsbury worked on opposite sides of the Democratic presidential primary. But they had similar problems.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment_us_5a0dfdf2e4b045cf43705417

geez.....you'd think based on the narrative, the Trump campaign would be riddled with sexual harassment charges...but it's the highly evolved dems????...seems like it's practically part of the culture on the left...so much so that they are happy to be photographed :hihi:


HEY JOE...THAT'S NOT YOUR WIFE EITHER.....gitchy...gitchty...gooo

And neither one of them has been convicted of anything. I’m not sure we should take action against either one. Remember the duke lacrosse case? I do.
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convicted of anything.......

thats not your standard when it was Obama or Hilliary.. weinstein or spacey

but now with Moore a likely pedophile with 8 accusers you use the hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

To learn that 15 million of our taxpayer dollars went to pay off sexual harassment claims is so wrong, this aholes should be paying off those claims with their own money.

hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious



it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"

it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"

In a way you are right. Picture shows bad taste, but he isn't touching her. Also provides a witness (photographer). It would exonerate him in that particular instance.
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but he isn't touching her.

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he's violating her personal space

he's violating her personal space

It's not assault is the point. Not a crime. Improper, offensive, yes. Sticking his tongue down her throat may qualify, but probably tough to prosecute because she agreed to rehearse a kissing scene and he kissed her. Accusations against Moore, Spacey, H.W.Bush, the acts Trump bragged about in the video, etc. are crimes of physical sexual assault. The acts in the picture of Franken are not. Certainly tasteless.
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It's not assault is the point. Not a crime. Improper, offensive, yes. Sticking his tongue down her throat may qualify, but probably tough to prosecute because she agreed to rehearse a kissing scene and he kissed her. Accusations against Moore, Spacey, H.W.Bush, the acts Trump bragged about in the video, etc. are crimes of physical sexual assault. The acts in the picture of Franken are not. Certainly tasteless.
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I have said the same thing ... they dont care he never touched her or that theres a guy in a chair sleeping next to her (they were waiting to fly some place or she had body armor on and could see her breasts or that she accepted his apology or that he wasn't in a position of power
or like Moore or Trump or weinstein or in office


I have noticed the absent of any criticism involving Trump seeing he has said nothing about Moore .. just Whataboutism comments about franken

it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...you like those

Moore should go to jail...hopefully he will be convicted...in the case of Franken...the old adage applies..."a picture is worth a thousand words"


this isn't a trial in court this isn't false flag operation

its 9 American women under the age of 17 .... Did you feel the same way about bill Cosby.. it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...

or just funny?

convicted of anything.......

thats not your standard when it was Obama or Hilliary.. weinstein or spacey

but now with Moore a likely pedophile with 8 accusers you use the hasn't been convicted of anything argument .. curious

Jesus God almighty...

With Moore and Franken, it's a he said/she said situation. Not so when you are judging people for what they actually say and do. Am I going too fast for you?

I have said the same thing ... they dont care he never touched her or that theres a guy in a chair sleeping next to her (they were waiting to fly some place or she had body armor on and could see her breasts or that she accepted his apology or that he wasn't in a position of power
or like Moore or Trump or weinstein or in office


I have noticed the absent of any criticism involving Trump seeing he has said nothing about Moore .. just Whataboutism comments about franken

The Franken photo is no evidence of assault or a crime. It's rock solid evidence that he's a juvenile horse's ass. Not fit for the US Senate. He's a great candidate if they re-make the "Porky's" movies. US Senate? Not so much. Moore is also unfit I think.

Sticking his tongue down her throat may qualify, but probably tough to prosecute

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brilliant!

this isn't a trial in court this isn't false flag operation

its 9 American women under the age of 17 .... Did you feel the same way about bill Cosby.. it's not an argument...it's actually a "fact"...

or just funny?

ummm...what part of "Moore should go to jail" confused you?

brilliant!

Nice selective quote. No surprise....
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Nice selective quote. No surprise....

the acts Trump bragged about in the video, etc. are crimes of physical sexual assault. The acts in the picture of Franken are not.

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Franken was standing over an "actual" woman being photographed as he was about to giver her a grab while she was sleeping...

Trump's victim in your example is imaginary, unless he grabbed Billy Bush:jester:....Franken's victim is right there in the photo...

Franken was standing over an "actual" woman being photographed as he was about to giver her a grab while she was sleeping...

Trump's victim in your example is imaginary, unless he grabbed Billy Bush:jester:....Franken's victim is right there in the photo...
Your dishonesty is alarming.
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Your dishonesty is alarming.
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your feigned indignation is hilarious......

what part of "Moore should go to jail" confused you?

regarding Trump and Franken.....it's a continuing theme with the left, far more concerned and offended by what a republican might have said than what their own democrats actually did...that is intellectual dishonesty

"In order to retain any moral authority on the issue of sexual abuse and harassment, Democrats must decide that sexual abuse and harassment is wrong no matter who does it. Only then will they be nominally, morally, better than the Roy Moore acolytes who compare molesting a 14-year-old girl to stealing a lawn mower."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dear-lord-would-joe-biden-be-a-terrible-candidate-for-these-times

your feigned indignation is hilarious......

You honestly think Franken was about to grab a sleeping woman's breasts while smiling for the camera? That's ridiculous. It's a photo in poor taste, not groping.

What he did at that time is probably par for the course in the circles he traveled in and I have no doubt he isn't sleeping well knowing he left a photographic record of some lighthearted (to him at that time) fun he was having with a buddy. Throw a dart and you will hit a comedian who makes a living telling and living inappropriate behavior, but that won't translate well into politics......or will it.

You honestly think Franken was about to grab a sleeping woman's breasts while smiling for the camera? That's ridiculous. It's a photo in poor taste, not groping.

wouldn't surprise me....hadn't he recently stuck his tongue in the same woman's mouth(probably just joking around :kewl:) causing her disgust?...and then reportedly treated her badly in the aftermath because she didn't respond well to his "probing"....


"When they were alone backstage before the debut, he pressed the reluctant Tweeden to rehearse the smooch. After some awkward protest, she acquiesced. He proceeded, she says, with tongue-plunging force. Humiliated but not wanting to ruin the tour, she did not make a fuss beyond warning him not to pull such a stunt again. Through the remaining two-week tour, she avoided him when possible, and he reacted with “petty insults.”


maybe this was just another of his "petty insults"...caught on film ;)

Trump's victim in your example is imaginary, unless he grabbed Billy Bush:jester:....Franken's victim is right there in the photo...

Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.

Let me make it easier for you to understand. Trump bragged about criminal behavior. The victims are the people he groped and forced himself on. The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.
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I think spence would call it painting a mental picture in bad taste, not actual groping... :bl:

if the women you mentioned want to come forward, file charges...sue..etc...I'm ok with that and whatever the courts decide

I would expect Trump to invoke the "one free grope rule" that the dems and feminists created to defend Clinton back in the day...I think that's the same one that Biden operates under

The 13+ women who say he did those things to them aren't imaginary.

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Biden can bring them to the debates in 2019 :humpty:

But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.
It sure is. :lurk::deadhorse:

But according to Trump are all liars. The double standard here is amazing.

Yes it is. According to your side, Mike Pences rule about not being alone with a woman other han his wife is sexist, but bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy are solid friends of feminism. That makes all kinds f sense. Of course there is hypocrisy on my side, but not to this degree.
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:topic:As we get distracted The GOP is passing their tax plan which will bone many of here in the NE if passed as it stands

Yes it is. According to your side, Mike Pences rule about not being alone with a woman other han his wife is sexist, but bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy are solid friends of feminism. That makes all kinds f sense. Of course there is hypocrisy on my side, but not to this degree.
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When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade.

As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself, but it is certainly somewhat sexist as well.

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Should we post the list of fervent anti-LGBTQ folks lawmakers who get caught with members of the same sex(Just happened again in Ohio)? Some of which were occasionally underage? Hell stuff about Schiff is supposedly out there now too...

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

Hypocrisy, thy name is politics.

When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade.

As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself, but it is certainly somewhat sexist as well.

"When you talk about "sides" you sound like you're picking a dodge ball team in 3rd grade"

Yes, because the exact verbiage I use to differentiate the two major parties, THAT'S what matters here. One picks on those details, when one has lost the meat of the debate.

"As for Pence, his personal position is a bit dated, perhaps he just doesn't trust himself"

Maybe he doesn't trust liberals not to fabricate tales of infidelity. Is he crazy to worry about that? Well, Donna Brazile was caught lying about George Bush's infidelities when she worked on the Dukakis campaign. Her fabrications were so bad, Dukakis fired her. where did she end up? Head of the DNC!!

Pence chooses to eliminate even the appearance of a possibility of sexual wrongdoing, and you say that's "dated"? With all that has happened in the last few weeks, it's "dated" to completely eliminate all possibility of any harassment or assault occurring?

You just can't say anything positive about him. Because he has an R after his name.

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

The party that worships at the feet of the Clintons and the Kennedys, says that my side is waging war on women (because we think unborn babies are not worthless).

Show me anything that absurd in the official platform of conservatism, please? Yes, there are evil people on my side, and immoral people, and freaks. They aren't tolerated like they are on the left. Look at how many high-profile, influential Republicans attacked Trump, denounced Trump, didn't vote for Trump. Did that happen to Bill Clinton from fellow Democrats? Or Ted Kennedy? I must have missed it.

It's not assault is the point. Not a crime. Improper, offensive, yes. Sticking his tongue down her throat may qualify.....but.......

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how about this?:doh:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Should we post the list of fervent anti-LGBTQ folks lawmakers who get caught with members of the same sex(Just happened again in Ohio)? Some of which were occasionally underage? Hell stuff about Schiff is supposedly out there now too...

There is hypocrisy on both sides, and pretty evenly weighted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/opinion/sunday/blue-states-red-states-values.html

According to the Youth Risk Behavior Survey of 32 states, those with the highest percentage of high school students who say they have had sex are Mississippi, Delaware, West Virginia, Alabama and Arkansas. All but Delaware voted Republican in the last presidential election.

Meanwhile, the five states with the lowest proportion of high school students who have had sex were New York, California, Maryland, Nebraska and Connecticut. All but Nebraska voted Democratic.

Nine of the 10 states with the highest teen birthrates voted Republican in 2016. And nine of the 10 states with the lowest teen birthrates voted Democratic.

The conservative hostility to premarital sex also sometimes leads to early weddings, even to child marriages. I wrote in May about the hundreds of thousands of child marriages in America, and of the dozen states with the highest rates of child marriage, all voted Republican in 2016.

“Child marriage is happening at an alarming rate across the U.S., but available marriage-license data show more parents, judges and clerks in red states than in blue states seem comfortable with this human-rights abuse,” said Fraidy Reiss, founder of Unchained at Last, a nonprofit that fights child marriage.

Divorce rates show a similar pattern: They tend to be higher in red states than in blue states, with Arkansas highest of all. “Individual religious conservatism is positively related to individual divorce risk,” according to a 50-state study reported in the American Journal of Sociology.

Then there’s adultery and prostitution. One large international survey found that the largest group of customers on Ashley Madison, the dating website for married people, were evangelical Christians. And a major 2013 study found that men in the Houston and Kansas City metro areas were the most likely to call sex ads, while men in San Francisco and Baltimore were the least likely to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/18/opinion/sunday/blue-states-red-states-values.html

According to the Youth Risk Behavior Survey of 32 states, those with the highest percentage of high school students who say they have had sex are Mississippi, Delaware, West Virginia, Alabama and Arkansas. All but Delaware voted Republican in the last presidential election.

Meanwhile, the five states with the lowest proportion of high school students who have had sex were New York, California, Maryland, Nebraska and Connecticut. All but Nebraska voted Democratic.

Nine of the 10 states with the highest teen birthrates voted Republican in 2016. And nine of the 10 states with the lowest teen birthrates voted Democratic.

The conservative hostility to premarital sex also sometimes leads to early weddings, even to child marriages. I wrote in May about the hundreds of thousands of child marriages in America, and of the dozen states with the highest rates of child marriage, all voted Republican in 2016.

“Child marriage is happening at an alarming rate across the U.S., but available marriage-license data show more parents, judges and clerks in red states than in blue states seem comfortable with this human-rights abuse,” said Fraidy Reiss, founder of Unchained at Last, a nonprofit that fights child marriage.

Divorce rates show a similar pattern: They tend to be higher in red states than in blue states, with Arkansas highest of all. “Individual religious conservatism is positively related to individual divorce risk,” according to a 50-state study reported in the American Journal of Sociology.

Then there’s adultery and prostitution. One large international survey found that the largest group of customers on Ashley Madison, the dating website for married people, were evangelical Christians. And a major 2013 study found that men in the Houston and Kansas City metro areas were the most likely to call sex ads, while men in San Francisco and Baltimore were the least likely to.

Oh. So divorce is remotely the same as sexual assault. Got it Paul, got it.

I am talking about political hypocrisy regarding sexual assault and harassment. Of course there are jerks on all sides. Are you really going to say that Bill Clinton caught as much heat in the media for his sexual misdeeds, as Trump did? Are you really going to claim that those two men were treated equally?

When campaigning, Hilary said that women who claim they were assaulted, are to be believed. Just last Friday, she said that the women who accused her husband, are mis-remembering what Bill did. She slut-shamed them on national TV. Some feminist.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Paul, there's absolutely nothing in Christianity, that encourages teen sex, teen marriage, or divorce. Nothing. Some red states, particularly in the deep south, have destructive cultural issues, no doubt. Same thing in our cities. It's caused by a culture of poverty, it has nothing to do with religion. I'm not saying religious people are perfect, far from it. But if you take the 10 commandments seriously, it will reduce the likelihood that you engage in that behavior.

I see that the Times piece didn't quote its own study (which we have discussed) which showed that conservatives give a lot more to charity than liberals.

It's funny that liberals love to claim that Republicans only care about the rich, yet so many poor places (very poor places in the south) are so conservative.

Trump officially would rather a child molester over any Democrat, just hard to believe the lack of moral compass he displays.
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Trump officially would rather a child molester over any Democrat, just hard to believe the lack of moral compass he displays.
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Isn’t that just rich ? The gop... guardians of family values !!!!!!!!!
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Trump officially would rather a child molester over any Democrat, just hard to believe the lack of moral compass he displays.
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:agree:
He pointed out that Roy Moore "totally denies" sexual misconduct with a string of teenage girls, including a 14-year-old,

Putin also totally denies what he did .. see a trend?

not just his moral compass ... I am still at a loss to why people still defend this POTUS or should I say Dear leader

George Washington Couldn’t Tell A Lie. POTUS Donald Trump Can’t Tell The Truth

Should we all assume you have never denied doing something wrong that you were guilty of?
What a joke this gets turned into with these donkeys.
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It's funny that liberals love to claim that Republicans only care about the rich, yet so many poor places (very poor places in the south) are so conservative.

It is the politicians who poor conservatives elect that are tied to big business, oil, big pharma. It is the great irony. I feel both sadness and a bit of serves you right for those sick out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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It is the politicians who poor conservatives elect that are tied to big business, oil, big pharma. It is the great irony. I feel both sadness and a bit of serves you right for those sick out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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Fun Fact The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s

Brayton Point decommissioned coal-fired power plant that was long known as one of Massachusetts's worst polluters has been sold to a company with experience redeveloping polluted sites.

Commercial Development says it will transform the plant for "post-coal utilization."

coals coming back ???

the less educated poorer whites

scape goats of illegal immigrants

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:doh:

I'm so sick of people being broken down into color and class


funny when someone writes "illegal"..then completely ignores the meaning of the word

:agree:
He pointed out that Roy Moore "totally denies" sexual misconduct with a string of teenage girls, including a 14-year-old,

Putin also totally denies what he did .. see a trend?

not just his moral compass ... I am still at a loss to why people still defend this POTUS or should I say Dear leader

George Washington Couldn’t Tell A Lie. POTUS Donald Trump Can’t Tell The Truth

Welcome to realpolitik. It is a centuries old driver of policy (also referred to as "pragmatism") that both parties practice. I would argue that the Democrats have relied on realpolitik to overcome the embarrassing actions of some of their members more than the Republicans. In either case, "they all do it." So you're shock at Trump's realpolitik is either feigned or naïve.

And yeah, I see the trend of your posts.

Welcome to realpolitik. It is a centuries old driver of policy (also referred to as "pragmatism") that both parties practice. I would argue that the Democrats have relied on realpolitik to overcome the embarrassing actions of some of their members more than the Republicans. In either case, "they all do it." So you're shock at Trump's realpolitik is either feigned or naïve.

And yeah, I see the trend of your posts.

Absolutely nothing Trump does anymore shocks me, he is totaling in character, I get they don't want to have a democrat take that seat, but he is totally acting in character.

:doh:



funny when someone writes "illegal"..then completely ignores the meaning of the word

I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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of course it's relevant, if not for the fact that they are here "illegally" there would be no "scapegoating" as you say, no conversation....it's the ONLY reason you or Trump mention them...if they were here "legally"...or not here at all...there would be no issue, no scapegoating, no conversation...you completely ignore the meaning

if pointing out illegality is "scapegoating"
what is ignoring "illegality"?...virtuous?

:agree:
He pointed out that Roy Moore "totally denies" sexual misconduct with a string of teenage girls, including a 14-year-old,

Putin also totally denies what he did .. see a trend?



(1) Duke. Lacrosse.

(2) Tawana. Brawley.

I'm not saying I believe Moore is innocent, I'd like to see him step down, and if there's evidence of a crime, let's have a trial.

But you cannot claim that everyone who gets accused of these things, is guilty. In some cases (rare, not rare enough) it's total fabrication, but the media doesn't care about the presumption of innocence when there's a sordid story.

I have no idea what the answer is here.

out of work coal miners who voted for Trump because they believe he will bring back coal, but pray he doesn't end Obama Care, which is the primary reason they can afford treatment for black lung. Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants, etc.
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So before 2008, where were all these dead coal miners you speak of? and now, with the ACA, they can get the treatment they were denied for 100 years until Obama the messiah saved them?

I keep hearing about how many millions of people will die if the ACA is repealed. Why wasn't I stepping over dead bodies when I worked in Hartford, before Obama got elected? These alarmists make it sound like the whole country was one big death camp until the ACA was signed. I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

"Also, the less educated poorer whites in the red States buy into the Trump mantra of creating scape goats of illegal immigrants"

He won because of PA, WI, NC, OH...not because of the deep south.

I keep hearing about how many millions of people will die if the ACA is repealed. Why wasn't I stepping over dead bodies when I worked in Hartford, before Obama got elected?

you were, don't you remember the mantra...people were dying and dead all over the parking lots of hospitals across the country because the system had failed....


I was listening to 10 news conference the other morning and Rappley was interviewing the guy that is going to challenge Whitehouse for his seat...the individual mandate came up and the guest said he was not in favor of federal government mandating such things...Rappley's response was...

"but the cost of health care will go up if young healthy people are not forced to buy coverage"

I wasn't ignoring the meaning of the word. It is categorically irrelevant. Whether they came here legally or not, it is scapegoating.
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No - whether they came here legally or not is the law. I would be up for increasing LEGAL immigration if they could stop the ILLEGAL immigration.

It is ironic people fight for "Justice" yet willfully undermine the cornerstone of the US legal system: The CITIZEN. The people that say that "Privilege" must be fought against because it is unfair are so willing to sink arguably the greatest privilege the world has known: United States Citizenship



I'm not saying I believe Moore is innocent, I'd like to see him step down, and if there's evidence of a crime, let's have a trial.

But you cannot claim that everyone who gets accused of these things, is guilty. In some cases (rare, not rare enough) it's total fabrication, but the media doesn't care about the presumption of innocence when there's a sordid story.

I have no idea what the answer is here.

^^^^^ This. I am pretty confident that Moore is a SlimeyMallCruisingBastard and Franken is a hypocrite but while everyone justifiably grab's their Torches and PithForks, innoncent people will get smeared as targets of opportunity - it is a slippery slope.



"but the cost of health care will go up if young healthy people are not forced to buy coverage"

:laugha::laugha:

Haven't some here lauded the Veritas Project? Not naming names, like Detbuch

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/28/media/washington-post-james-okeefe-sting/index.html

Haven't some here lauded the Veritas Project? Not naming names, like Detbuch

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/28/media/washington-post-james-okeefe-sting/index.html

Yup. Still do. They tried to find something here and there was nothing to find. Sometimes there is. Way it goes.

Yup. Still do. They tried to find something here and there was nothing to find. Sometimes there is. Way it goes.

by any means necessary defense .. know scammers and distributors of truly Fake news .. but why am i not not surprised you would support them .. to the end:smash:

Add Matt Lauer to the list!

I'm sure there are a lot of powerful abusive men having problems sleeping at night, wondering if tomorrow is their turn.

Haven't some here lauded the Veritas Project? Not naming names, like Detbuch

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/28/media/washington-post-james-okeefe-sting/index.html

O'Keefe a disciple of Breitbart. They should stick to touting the child molesting ring in Comet Pizza. What a bunch of clowns
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by any means necessary defense .. know scammers and distributors of truly Fake news .. but why am i not not surprised you would support them .. to the end:smash:

What fake news?

Trump most current tweet

Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama. We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!

but we'll look the other way over sexual misconduct for our own ... I love those Christian values

Trump most current tweet

Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama. We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!

but we'll look the other way over sexual misconduct for our own ... I love those Christian values

NOBODY thinks that Trump represents Christian values. Is a tiny speck of honesty too much? Although I doubt Trump will trample the rights of Christians like Obama did, forcing Catholic nuns to petition the Supreme Court that yes, even they have constitutional rights. Obama didn't think so. The OBAMA DOJ sued that shipping companies could not force Muslim drivers to ship liquor if it violated their religious beliefs. Yet Obama had no issue with forcing Christians to abandon their religious beliefs at work. No double standard there, no sir-ree.

As for Roy Moore...I don't know. It makes my skin absolutely crawl. But like everyone else, I thought the Duke lacrosse players were guilty too. I hope Moore wins, the Senate refuses to seat him, and they put another conservative (a principled one) in his place.

If these tax cuts appear to be less hostile to the middle class than the Dems are saying, the Dems will get creamed for opposing them. If they are hostile to the middle class, the GOP will get creamed for adopting them.

Trump most current tweet

Democrats refusal to give even one vote for massive Tax Cuts is why we need Republican Roy Moore to win in Alabama. We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!

but we'll look the other way over sexual misconduct for our own ... I love those Christian values

You don't believe in the separation of church and state?

it's too bad Moore isn't a democrat...he'd fit right in :rotflmao:

it's too bad Moore isn't a democrat...he'd fit right in :rotflmao:

More so if he drowned his victims...

Steve Bannon came to Alabama to stump for Roy Moore, but he spent more time attacking national Republicans — including Mitt Romney and his family — than Alabama Democrat Doug Jones a week out from the state's Senate election.

Romney and his five sons topped the former Donald Trump adviser's hit list, which also included Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Bannon’s favorite punching bag, even though the Kentucky Republican just handed Trump his biggest legislative victory yet.

In a particularly nasty and personal attack, the Breitbart News chairman went after Romney's children and Mormon faith, slamming the former GOP presidential nominee for not serving in the Vietnam War and his sons for not putting on the uniform.

"You hid behind your religion. You went to France to be a missionary while men were dying in Vietnam. Do not talk about honor and integrity," Bannon said. (my edit - while Bannon supports a President who didn't go to Vietnam bc of "bone spurs" and who couldn't even remember what foot they were located on.)

Bannon was infuriated by Romney's tweet on Monday in which he wrote that Moore would be a "stain" on the GOP and the country.

Roy Moore in the US Senate would be a stain on the GOP and on the nation. Leigh Corfman and other victims are courageous heroes. No vote, no majority is worth losing our honor, our integrity.
— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) December 4, 2017

Bannon is trying to keep Romney, one of the GOP's most prominent Trump critics, from launching a bid for a Utah Senate seat. And Bannon's vitriol even extended to Romney's sons.

"You ran for commander in chief and had five sons — not one day of service in Afghanistan or Iraq. We have 7,000 dead and 52,000 casualties, and where were the Romneys during those wars?" Bannon asked. "Judge Roy Moore has more honor and integrity in his pinky finger than your entire family."

The attacks elicited cheers from a crowd of several hundred Moore supporters, who packed into a barn here and waved pro-Bannon and Breitbart News signs.

Tweet Tweet - I didn't realize Moore was a master politician. Prob. just locked up the seat. MAGA

At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

he's a piece of work...how bad is the democrat he's running against that they can't defeat this knucklehead...Spence would blame the republicans, if the roles were reversed, for not running a viable candidate against him

he's a piece of work...how bad is the democrat he's running against that they can't defeat this knucklehead...Spence would blame the republicans, if the roles were reversed, for not running a viable candidate against him
Have you ever been to Alabama?

The OBAMA DOJ sued that shipping companies could not force Muslim drivers to ship liquor if it violated their religious beliefs. Yet Obama had no issue with forcing Christians to abandon their religious beliefs at work. No double standard there, no sir-ree.


You know the way the law was originally written, the nuns or anyother non profit could apply for exemption? You are really distorting reality because of your bias.

How do you feel about polygamy laws? Is ok for the government to restrict the first amendment rights of LDS members or any other religion that has practiced polygamy?

Tweet Tweet - I didn't realize Moore was a master politician. Prob. just locked up the seat. MAGA

At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

I have been struggling with Moore, but for me, the creepy yearbook inscription he gave a 17 year-old girl, made me think he was guilty.

Yesterday, that girl (now a woman) admitted that she wrote some of that herself, in her own yearbook.

It's impossible to know what to believe, sometimes.

You know the way the law was originally written, the nuns or anyother non profit could apply for exemption? You are really distorting reality because of your bias.

How do you feel about polygamy laws? Is ok for the government to restrict the first amendment rights of LDS members or any other religion that has practiced polygamy?

"You know the way the law was originally written, the nuns or anyother non profit could apply for exemption?"

Then why did they sue all the way to the Supreme Court? Filing for an exemption would be a whole lot easier and cheaper.

"You are really distorting reality because of your bias"

No I'm not. Now that you're back, instead of saying there are "dozens" of "nuanced" cases that support your claim that the baker doesn't have this right...can you post, or cite, just one?

As for polygamy, that's a very interesting question. I don't have an easy answer. We can all agree that religious freedom doesn't extend to human sacrifice...where do we draw the line? I don't know. But asking a gay couple to go to another bakery certainly isn't a huge burden.

I have been struggling with Moore, but for me, the creepy yearbook inscription he gave a 17 year-old girl, made me think he was guilty.

Yesterday, that girl (now a woman) admitted that she wrote some of that herself, in her own yearbook.

It's impossible to know what to believe, sometimes.

They haven't said what she wrote - I think it was just the last part.

I tend to believe all the woman as they get vilified when they come out and very few get $.

I'd have to side with Franken's parting comments, that much of what he believes he might have been guilty of doing, pales in comparison to Moore and very likely Trump based on his own comments. I'll give the guy credit, he doesn't think any of what he knows he did isn't cause to resign, he's bowing out to enable someone else from his state to step up to serve.

I'd have to side with Franken's parting comments, that much of what he believes he might have been guilty of doing, pales in comparison to Moore and very likely Trump based on his own comments. I'll give the guy credit, he doesn't think any of what he knows he did isn't cause to resign, he's bowing out to enable someone else from his state to step up to serve.

Except we had some photo evidence of Franken's wrongdoing, there is zero evidence (I think) that Moore did anything except victim claims.

Not to discount victim claims. But if that's all it takes, then what's to stop both parties from paying people to make these claims against talented politicians in the other party?

EVERYBODY though the Duke lacrosse players were guilty.

Just as everybody thought the Central Park five were guilty. There's far too many people where there was a rush to judgment and they've ended up in jail even though they were innocent.
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Have you ever been to Alabama?

have you ever been to Rhode Island?

Not to discount victim claims. But if that's all it takes, then what's to stop both parties from paying people to make these claims against talented politicians in the other party?
I think the Washington Post had nearly 30 people corroborate the accusers stories which were on record. That's a different level.
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I think the Washington Post had nearly 30 people corroborate the accusers stories which were on record. That's a different level.
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that's like Clinton level!

that's like Clinton level!

You are like the girlfriend who always has to talk about her ex boyfriend when she needs to balding her lame actions. ;)
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when she needs to balding her lame actions. ;)

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that's like WDMSO level!

You are like the girlfriend who always has to talk about her ex boyfriend when she needs to balding her lame actions. ;)
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Nebe, until trump won the election, democrats were quite happy to look the other way on perversion and objectification of women. But my side has declared war on women...
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Seems like the Republicans had no problem electing a vile, foul-mouthed person who bragged about assaulting women to the most important position in the world . Now they're going to elect a perverted pedophile to the Senate. But somehow it's about the Democrats LOL
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Seems like the Republicans had no problem electing a vile, foul-mouthed person who bragged about assaulting women to the most important position in the world . Now they're going to elect a perverted pedophile to the Senate. But somehow it's about the Democrats LOL
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How many times did the dems reelect a killer to the senate?
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It's you damn Mass people
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Seems like the Republicans had no problem electing a vile, foul-mouthed person who bragged about assaulting women to the most important position in the world . Now they're going to elect a perverted pedophile to the Senate. But somehow it's about the Democrats LOL
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Moore and trump are cases of he said, she said. Bill Clinton and ted Kennedy? Little bit more evidence.

But that’s why I don’t like Moore or trump. There is some hypocrisy on my side and I don’t like it. There is mountains of hypocrisy on your side, on this issue at least.

I Don’t think either one is a pedophile either.
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There is some hypocrisy on my side and I don’t like it. There is mountains of hypocrisy on your side, on this issue at least.


you truly are the boy in the bubble .. And your use of Whataboutism in all your counter arguments is with out equal

There is some hypocrisy on my side and I don’t like it. There is mountains of hypocrisy on your side, on this issue at least.


you truly are the boy in the bubble .. And your use of Whataboutism in all your counter arguments is with out equal

Well, judging by looking at where democrats curently wield any meaningful influence in this country there’s a lot of people in my bubble.
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Well, judging by looking at where democrats curently wield any meaningful influence in this country there’s a lot of people in my bubble.
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Republicans have been out of the loop for the past 8 years you finally get 1 elected a real peach . and you beat your chest like Tarzan. at year 1 and they still haven't done anything for America

please dont cite unemployment numbers because now you believe them they were going that way already

please dont say the stockmarket because it didn't count for the last POTUS and only helping the rich

Those richest Americans own far greater amounts of stock. As of 2013, the top 10 percent of Americans owned an average of $969,000 in stocks. The next 40 percent owned $132,000 on average. For the bottom half of families, it was just under $54,000.

52 percent of U.S. adults owned stock in 2016. Since Gallup started measuring this in 1998, that's only the second time ownership has been this low. These figures include ownership of an individual stock, a stock mutual fund or a self-directed 401(k) or IRA.

Republicans have been out of the loop for the past 8 years you finally get 1 elected a real peach . and you beat your chest like Tarzan. at year 1 and they still haven't done anything for America



This is like your version of a "comment" in the comment section of a Breitbart article.

This is like your version of a "comment" in the comment section of a Breitbart article.

its funny to use what i said as An example of a vitriolic comment

was it the Tarzan reference or calling Trump a peach

its funny to use what i said as An example of a vitriolic comment

was it the Tarzan reference or calling Trump a peach

Yeah, you're using negative hyperbole not based on facts.

Seems like the Republicans had no problem electing a vile, foul-mouthed person who bragged about assaulting women to the most important position in the world . Now they're going to elect a perverted pedophile to the Senate. But somehow it's about the Democrats LOL
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I think Trump will probably look to his favorite TV host Howard Stern to be his running mate next time around, as he truly knows the real Donald. Loved the white house press briefing today, Sarah couldn't wait to beat feet, as there were too many questions about many of the women coming out to reiterate the fact they were sexually abused by Trump. Trump has changed the lyrics to the old Sonny Curtis favorite and the tune now goes "I AM the law and the law wins".

Have you ever been to Alabama?

Exhibit A in why people not on the East / West coasts give a Big Middle Finger to the talking heads.

I am pleasantly surprised to see Moore lose.
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I am pleasantly surprised to see Moore lose.
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i agree 100%


Seems others not so much

The ONLY way the democrats win anything is by fraud and cheating at
the voting booth! I guarantee that if Moore asks for recount, we will
find it. A lot of people out there know what is going on. DEMAND A RECOUNT!

I am pleasantly surprised to see Moore lose.
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Short term it hurts the Repubs. as they loose the seat for 2 years. A Moore win would have hurt the Rep. for years.

Short term it hurts the Repubs. as they loose the seat for 2 years. A Moore win would have hurt the Rep. for years.

A thoughtful way of looking at it. I swear the gop can’t get out of their own way sometimes. They had Tons of momentum, then they lose a seat in Alabama.
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A thoughtful way of looking at it. I swear the gop can’t get out of their own way sometimes. They had Tons of momentum, then they lose a seat in Alabama.
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Well Trump isn't Bill Belichick, probably the worse thing for Moore was getting Trump's endorsement and as if the women GOP voters didn't need a push; Trump gives them a good one by going after Gillibrand. Thirty plus swing in those counties Trump won by the largest margin tells me this was more of a Trump loss than Moore or the GOP loosing.

A thoughtful way of looking at it. I swear the gop can’t get out of their own way sometimes. They had Tons of momentum, then they lose a seat in Alabama.
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The HCIC needed to grow up when he got elected. he didn't, and now people are starting to grow tired of it.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

With things getting more crazy on top of more crazy, we need better people to run. In environments like this, sane people won't.

Next election will probably be Kanye West running against Ted Nugent

Next election will probably be Kanye West running against Ted Nugent

Can you smell what the Rock is cooking up for 2020?
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I am pleasantly surprised to see Moore lose.
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:kewl: Agree ; )

Next election will probably be Kanye West running against Ted Nugent

NOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I want someone Smart, Tactful, and informed in the World!

Give me Condaleeza Rice - smart, smart, tactful, and she doesn't want the job!!!

(Though the left would vilify her)

Exhibit A in why people not on the East / West coasts give a Big Middle Finger to the talking heads.
I don't get your exhibit.

:kewl: Agree ; )



NOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!

I want someone Smart, Tactful, and informed in the World!

Give me Condaleeza Rice - smart, smart, tactful, and she doesn't want the job!!!

(Though the left would vilify her)

I doubt that there would be politicians on the left calling her a guerilla.

I doubt that there would be politicians on the left calling her a guerilla.

No doubt politicians on the left would not be mean to her, or would not call her some sort of suck-up to big money or traitor to the black community or various not so nice right wingishness.

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Exhibit A in why people not on the East / West coasts give a Big Middle Finger to the talking heads.


I don't get your exhibit.


I think it's amusing that the same people that voted for, supported, defended people like the Clintons, Kennedies, and many other notable vermin who were elected and reelected to positions in Washington are now aghast and dismayed that the backward state or Alabama NEARLY...sent someone of questionable character and deed to Washington....good grief...yes the "middle of the country" has watched "the coasts" do this for decades and their dirtbags actually WON

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Exhibit A in why people not on the East / West coasts give a Big Middle Finger to the talking heads.





I think it's amusing that the same people that voted for, supported, defended people like the Clintons, Kennedies, and many other notable vermin who were elected and reelected to positions in Washington are now aghast and dismayed that the backward state or Alabama NEARLY...sent someone of questionable character and deed to Washington....good grief...yes the "middle of the country" has watched "the coasts" do this for decades and their dirtbags actually WON

love the whataboutism again .. Clintons won the south( and got a BJ) and Ted Kennedy pleaded guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of a crash causing personal injury..

Moore or Trump have accepted no responsibility for their action .. :kewl:

love the whataboutism again .. Clintons won the south( and got a BJ) and Ted Kennedy pleaded guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of a crash causing personal injury..

Moore or Trump have accepted no responsibility for their action .. :kewl:

Moore and probably the party paid the price politically for whatever he may have done...Trump may yet....neither the Clintons nor Kennedy nor a long list of other democrats paid a political price, in fact, they've been vigorously defended...re-elected and lionized...just like the Alabamans that lined up behind Moore and overlooked his negatives in order to gain politically....the democrats who supported their own democrat dirt bags have no moral high ground when it comes to who the other party may or may not send to Washington, they are no better than those crazy Alabamans...though they love to think they are


we may be making progress though....we now know, thanks to one of the most liberal papers in the country that one of the most liberal states in the country boasts the most racist city in the country....I guess the left is experiencing a sort of moral renaissance thanks to Trump....this should be a positive going forward


but we do have Schumer whining about "legislation being rammed through" now....this from a guy who would gleefully ram his own legislation through if he were running the show....wait...is that "whataboutism'?

I don't get your exhibit.

Have you ever been to Alabama?


I doubt that there would be politicians on the left calling her a guerilla.

No, they would call her all kinds of things and she that would get everyone killed

No doubt politicians on the left would not be mean to her, or would not call her some sort of suck-up to big money or traitor to the black community or various not so nice right wingishness.

Some would

love the whataboutism again .. wl:

So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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pretty sure the left is currently leading the league...:jester:

love the whataboutism again .. wl:

So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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Yes

So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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Pretty sure he is talking about how you have to constantly bring up 20 year old incidents to try to make a point. Maybe people should bring up how Anita Hill was treated by the right.

The left has forced all the politicians on its "side" to resign. The right has not. The right elected a man to the most important position in the world who has bragged about assaulting women and walking in on naked people in their dressing room. 650K Alabamians just voted to elect a pedophile to be their next senator. :cheers:

Never mind discussing all the things in the Trump budget that impacts woman in a negative way (aid to children, CHIP, etc) given they are carekeepers more than men.

See any patterns here?

Rates are the number of reported forcible rapes per 100,000 people.

1. New Jersey - 11.7

2. New York - 14.6

3. Virginia - 17.7

4. Vermont - 19.3

5. North Carolina - 20.3

6. Hawaii - 20.5

7. California - 20.6

8. Maryland - 21

9. Wisconsin - 21.3

10. Georgia - 21.4

11. West Virginia - 22.7

12. Massachusetts - 24.7

13. Missouri - 25.1

14. Louisiana - 25.2

15. Indiana - 25.5

16. Connecticut - 25.6

17. Pennsylvania - 26.1

18. Delaware - 26.5

19. Wyoming - 26.7

20. Alabama - 26.9

21. Florida - 27.2

22. Rhode Island - 27.4

23. Mississippi - 27.5

24. Illinois - 27.7

25. Maine - 28

26. Iowa - 28.3

27. Kentucky - 29

28. Oregon - 29.2

29. Texas - 29.6

30. Idaho - 30

31. Minnesota - 30.5

32. Tennessee - 31.5

33. Ohio - 31.7

34. Washington - 31.8

35. Utah - 33

36. Nevada - 33.7

37. New Hampshire - 34

38. Arizona - 34.7

39. South Carolina - 35.5

40. Kansas - 36.5

41. District of Columbia - 37.3

42. Montana - 37.7

43. Nebraska - 38.3

44. North Dakota 38.9

45. Colorado - 40.7

46. Oklahoma - 41.6

47. Arkansas - 42.3

48. New Mexico - 45.9

49. Michigan - 46.4

50. South Dakota - 70.2

51. Alaska - 79.7

Here is another good one showing violence against women.

Want to guess before you open the link whether they generally vote right or left?

http://www.revelist.com/us-news/10-worst-states-domestic-violence/4897

And another good read (more indepth than just violence) Amazing how many studies you can find on what states are better for women. They all seem to show the same type of trends - anyone want to guess?

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women/10728/

Off to the gym now.

I don't get your exhibit.
Still don't. I've spent plenty of time there. Down south in general...have a pretty good read on things.

See any patterns here?

Rates are the number of reported forcible rapes per 100,000 people.

1. New Jersey - 11.7

2. New York - 14.6

3. Virginia - 17.7

4. Vermont - 19.3

5. North Carolina - 20.3

6. Hawaii - 20.5

7. California - 20.6

8. Maryland - 21

9. Wisconsin - 21.3

10. Georgia - 21.4

11. West Virginia - 22.7

12. Massachusetts - 24.7

13. Missouri - 25.1

14. Louisiana - 25.2

15. Indiana - 25.5

16. Connecticut - 25.6

17. Pennsylvania - 26.1

18. Delaware - 26.5

19. Wyoming - 26.7

20. Alabama - 26.9

21. Florida - 27.2

22. Rhode Island - 27.4

23. Mississippi - 27.5

24. Illinois - 27.7

25. Maine - 28

26. Iowa - 28.3

27. Kentucky - 29

28. Oregon - 29.2

29. Texas - 29.6

30. Idaho - 30

31. Minnesota - 30.5

32. Tennessee - 31.5

33. Ohio - 31.7

34. Washington - 31.8

35. Utah - 33

36. Nevada - 33.7

37. New Hampshire - 34

38. Arizona - 34.7

39. South Carolina - 35.5

40. Kansas - 36.5

41. District of Columbia - 37.3

42. Montana - 37.7

43. Nebraska - 38.3

44. North Dakota 38.9

45. Colorado - 40.7

46. Oklahoma - 41.6

47. Arkansas - 42.3

48. New Mexico - 45.9

49. Michigan - 46.4

50. South Dakota - 70.2

51. Alaska - 79.7

Not enough info to make a meaningful pattern showing the connection between Republican political philosophy vs. Democrat political philosophy in regard to forcible rapes. Actually, no information in those numbers in that regard.

Also, no breakdown on race of perpetrators.

Much too sketchy to mean a whole lot.

So Alaska had 560 rapes committed by whom? And California had 7774 rapes committed by whom? For whom did the perpetrators vote. And what would that have to do with politics and political philosophy.

Here is another good one showing violence against women.

Want to guess before you open the link whether they generally vote right or left?

http://www.revelist.com/us-news/10-worst-states-domestic-violence/4897

No info on how the perpetrators voted. Did any of them vote Democrat? And what would that have that to do with either Party?

And another good read (more indepth than just violence) Amazing how many studies you can find on what states are better for women. They all seem to show the same type of trends - anyone want to guess?

https://wallethub.com/edu/best-and-worst-states-for-women/10728/

Do the men in those states have the same trends? Is it really a gender issue?

Off to the gym now.

Have fun.

Pretty sure he is talking about how you have to constantly bring up 20 year old incidents to try to make a point. Maybe people should bring up how Anita Hill was treated by the right.

The left has forced all the politicians on its "side" to resign. The right has not. The right elected a man to the most important position in the world who has bragged about assaulting women and walking in on naked people in their dressing room. 650K Alabamians just voted to elect a pedophile to be their next senator. :cheers:

Never mind discussing all the things in the Trump budget that impacts woman in a negative way (aid to children, CHIP, etc) given they are carekeepers more than men.

They are not 20 year old incidents. Up until the election last year, bill was considered a hero of feminism. So was Hilary, who slut shamed her husbands victims. And ted Kennedy was revered in the senate until the moment he died. So the willingness of libs to ignore perversion and mistreatment of women was alive and well, right up until the first nanosecond that the clintons became useless. Then you al started acting as if chivalry is a pillar of liberalism. I assure you, it is not.
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WUT?!?!%$?

December 15, 2017 8:48 AM

Kansas Dem Andrea Ramsey, accused of sexual harassment, will drop out of US House race

They are not 20 year old incidents.Huh, when did Clinton rape brodrick? Up until the election last year, bill was considered a hero of feminism. So was Hilary, who slut shamed her husbands victims. Don't forget how the Rep. treated Anita HillProb. bc the conserv. lied about her and him so many times that she didn't believe anything that came out. And ted Kennedy was revered in the senate until the moment he died.That was trueSo the willingness of libs to ignore perversion and mistreatment of women was alive and well, right up until the first nanosecond that the clintons became useless. Then you al started acting as if chivalry is a pillar of liberalism. I assure you, it is not.
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And the cons. just elected a pervert to the most important position in the world when they had many different option and 650K Alabamians voted for a perverted pedophile who was so bad malls banned him. You use 2 examples and I've shown you which states treat woman worse - most are run by conserv. and have voted cons. for years and years. They are responsible for the laws and policies which seems to hurt women more than the states which are run and voted left. Which sample is larger and thus more credible?

And the cons. ......

you seem desperate

you seem desperate
He's just pointing out the obvious.

He is so snarky I usually just ignore him.

Guys,it's enough. At least when presented with the accusations,the right leaning state of Alabama decide they would turn their back on Moore. The left wants to point to the fact that some folks still voted for him as evidence of moral bankruptcy. Ted Kennedy leaves a girl in a submerged vehicle to die while his pregnant wife is home and the left gives him his job back for decades to come.....please show some pride and let it go. If people really wanted to go back in time then they could easily point out the party voting disparities when Lincoln was trying to free slaves and provide them with basic human rights. Those numbers are nothing but ugly but that was a long time ago. 20 years is nothing but a heartbeat in history and will take time to heal.
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Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

So conservatives are supposed to just silently accept the amazing hypocrisy shown by the left on the issue of treatment of women?
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1960s 2017 its that easy


whats was acceptable then and now are not the same but i get it lets throw mud from 50 years ago

Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

I don't see a strong connection between sexual morality and preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States. Several whom you would call sexually disreputable have done a good job of protecting that Constitution. In my opinion, Trump is doing a better job of that than most of the recent Presidents, better than even the supposedly morally pure Jimmy Carter.

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown. It seems that he did not advance further than he was allowed after some initial attempt. If that is morally repugnant, than most men are. And that probably applies to most politicians.

Would you rather have a sexually pure Mike Spence as President, pushing for policies with which you disagree, or the run of the mill morally tepid politician who helps to politically get done what you approve of and desire?

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown.
I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

1960s 2017 its that easy


whats was acceptable then and now are not the same but i get it lets throw mud from 50 years ago

It was acceptable 50 years ago to abandon a woman to die in an auto that you had driven into the water? I was in country 50 years ago. It was not acceptable, unless you were Ted Kennedy. And it was not acceptable for men 50 years ago for married men to philander the way Jack Kennedy did. It's not the morality that has changed from 50 year's ago, it's that the media is far more willing to expose it and even overblow it now for political purposes than it was back then.

Which is peculiar since the media, which includes TV and Hollywood as well as journalism, has been, over the past 50 years, pushing for more and looser sexual freedom. It would seem that it would have been 50 years ago that the media would have been outing everybody, and that in this present age of media produced sexual "freedom," Politicians should be getting the pass they got back then.

But, no, just about everything, morally and political are turned upside down. The reason for that is what we should be in a frenzied conversation over, not this stupid stuff.

I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

As usual, you got nothin.

As usual, you got nothin.

Actually, the record is pretty clear. That you don't see it is disturbing.

I don't see a strong connection between sexual morality and preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States. Several whom you would call sexually disreputable have done a good job of protecting that Constitution. In my opinion, Trump is doing a better job of that than most of the recent Presidents, better than even the supposedly morally pure Jimmy Carter.

And, even so, Trump's sexual vulgarity seems to be overblown. It seems that he did not advance further than he was allowed after some initial attempt. If that is morally repugnant, than most men are. And that probably applies to most politicians.

Would you rather have a sexually pure Mike Spence as President, pushing for policies with which you disagree, or the run of the mill morally tepid politician who helps to politically get done what you approve of and desire?

I won't argue the validity of Trumps accusations, other than to say I think he's established a pattern that has been well documented and on tape. Go play any of his interviews with Howard Stern and others.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks and even admits on tape to being a duck; well I'm pretty sure it's a duck. Money and power will buy a lot of silence and doubt; I however have little doubt.....he's a bully, probably guilty of several counts of sexual abuse, we know of three rape accusations; at the least I'm convince he is a pig.

I'll give him praise for stiffening the boarders and slowing immigration by potential terrorists, I do however think he has done a piss pour job of protecting American from what I see as the largest threat to our way of life since 2011. Today what is the first thing Trump does before checking on anything of importance, he picks up the phone to call his buddy Putin to thank him for the high praise he gave Trump. Putin is playing him for the fool he his and all the while Trump does nothing to prepare us for future attacks by Russia.

Then he and his private political news outlet Fox attack the FBI and in intelligence community, the very people entrusted to protect us from the never ending cyber attacks that Russia has and continues to throw our way. Anyone even thinking of giving him intel that proves just that, just gets his big fat ego all upset, because it brings into question the validity of his election success. Dealing with him with intelligence information that involves Russia, must be like going ice fishing with only 2-3" of black ice. You think you might be safe, but say the wrong thing and upset the ego of the big child and the ice might break and your fired.

Sorry I'm not buying into your assessment of his performance to date.

He is so snarky I usually just ignore him.

I love you too :cheers:

a sexually pure Mike Spence



that was great

Actually, the record is pretty clear. That you don't see it is disturbing.

yeah...Clinton served two terms, Ted=decades( 46 years)(and there are many more names to be added to that list)...Moore never made it to Washington and Trump hasn't even been there a year...might not make 2 years the way he's going

[QUOTE=detbuch;1133512]It was acceptable 50 years ago to abandon a woman to die in an auto that you had driven into the water?/QUOTE]

well...if you were a democrat...and then you got to run for president...I know...it sounds crazy...right??

And the cons. just elected a pervert to the most important position in the world when they had many different option and 650K Alabamians voted for a perverted pedophile who was so bad malls banned him. You use 2 examples and I've shown you which states treat woman worse - most are run by conserv. and have voted cons. for years and years. They are responsible for the laws and policies which seems to hurt women more than the states which are run and voted left. Which sample is larger and thus more credible?

The assaults by Clinton and Kennedy took place decades ago, yes. But the willingness of democrat leaders to ignore thisebtransgressions contnued right up until election night of 2016, when the gop elected a reptile and the clintons simultaneously became of zero value. In that second, liberals claimed to care about perversion. If Hilary had won, we would not be having this conversation.

Let’s investigate the claims of trumps accusers. If he did any of it, then we should deal with it, but not until then. I fail to see how that is unfair.
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Sorry I'm not buying into your assessment of his performance to date.

I didn't think you would. But that would be the important discussion. This sudden outbreak of sexual accusations are ploys to regain power for the Dems. It doesn't impress me as a reason to vote for who I think will transform this country into something far worse than having lotharios in Congress.

Men of character don't need to bully their way to the top and even if in the back of their minds they still believe men to be superior to women; they would never sexually harass, inappropriately touch or even consider raping a woman. I think any man who can beat a women or child, sexually harass or go so far as rape a woman; are cowards and not men at all.

Shame on either the left or right for contributing to this inappropriate behavior and double shame on those willing to stand by and say nothing or even promote a known abuser to a position where he can do more harm. To see the GOP do the right thing initially by not backing Moore, only to put their tails between their legs, when the poster boy abuser and bully asks them to back Moore is so gutless and lacks vision.

To those that say why now, why bring these up know, this has to be a politically motivated ploy of all made up accusations; I would say you probably don't know anyone who has gone through it at a younger age. I personally know three women who confided in me in their 40's that they were raped as teenagers or young women and not one brought accusations or charges due to the climate, the person involved and the crippling fear nobody would believe them.

It's common place for rape victims to become victims again, they are accused of dressing slutty, or by their actions (usually viewed from a man/pigs perspective) as asking for it and they are traumatized once again. One of these women was and is still to this day scared for life and will never recover due to the circumstances.

The fact that these victims are suddenly now coming forward has much to do with their feeling of community, this metoo movement seems to have empowered women who might not have spoken out, to shed the dark cloud hanging over them for decades. Are there some false accusations out their, there probably are a small percentage, as there would be for any accusations of wrong doing. I believe the majority and while I can't speak for others, any serious accusations on either side of the isle should be looked into and dealt with.

Looking back in the rear view mirror to attempt to judge today's actions based on past presidents, congressmen or senators makes no sense IMHO. Everyone used to own slaves, we grew up and decided that wasn't right and had a civil war over it. It wasn't all that long ago women weren't able to vote, we grew up and changed that. Wasn't long ago it was back of the buss for anyone of color, again we as a society have evolved. Times change and what might have been acceptable in the good old days for our fathers or our grandfathers, just isn't today.

Good strong men of character likely didn't abuse 40 years ago, 20 years ago or ten years from now; those that do shouldn't be elected officials. It was wrong for Ted Kennedy, wrong for Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby and the fact we have a president who likely would fit right into that fraternity is a sad state of the nation.

I agree with much of this, but of course the current liberal concern about sexual harassment is politically motivated. If Hilary had won, the libs would still have a vested interest in protecting her, and I promise we would not be having this conversation. This is only happening because the kennedysbwith double digit IQs are all gone, and the clintons outlived their usefulness, and because of trump.

I don’t like the idea of punishing anyone based on accusations. Investigate trump, if he committed a crime make him face the consequences for once. If Lisa Bloom was trying to help accusers get rich for making accusations, that tarnished the credibility of the accusers. Right or wrong, it does.
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I'm going to just set with this...good lord.

Go cry a river
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1960s 2017 its that easy


whats was acceptable then and now are not the same but i get it lets throw mud from 50 years ago

Have you actually been paying attention to anything except CNN? The implication that the Democratic Party has been clean for 50 years shows you have drank a lot of kool aid
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Wdmso, as recently as the fall of 2016, most liberals wouldn’t dare to criticize the clintons or the kennedys. Yes, the underlying acts were old, but up until last year, even militant liberal feminists like Gloria Allred defended the clintons and the kennedys. Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago. And if Hilary hadn’t lost, there would not be this fervor about outing abusers of women, and that’s fact. It wasn’t until Hilary lost that the DNC and the media decided that sexual harassment was bad. I’m supposed to believe that’s a coincidence?
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Still don't. I've spent plenty of time there. Down south in general...have a pretty good read on things.

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"

The assaults by Clinton and Kennedy took place decades ago, yes. But the willingness of democrat leaders to ignore thisebtransgressions contnued right up until election night of 2016, when the gop elected a reptile and the clintons simultaneously became of zero value. In that second, liberals claimed to care about perversion. If Hilary had won, we would not be having this conversation.

Let’s investigate the claims of trumps accusers. If he did any of it, then we should deal with it, but not until then. I fail to see how that is unfair.
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How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.



Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago.
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How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"



How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.





How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

"How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies?"
You don't. You can't. You can't prove guilt or innocence, which is why our country can boast the presumption of innocence. I say if all we have is accusations, let the election proceed, no one should be forced to back out. Then if an investigation/trial shows wrongdoing, they have to resign. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than incentivizing false accusations in every election..

"if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails."

Ugly, ugly business.

"How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power"

Now that the GOP elected a possible (likely) pervert as POTIS, and moreso now that the Clintons are suddenly expendable, the liberals and the media can crow about caring.

The assaults by Clinton and Kennedy took place decades ago, yes. But the willingness of democrat leaders to ignore thisebtransgressions contnued right up until election night of 2016, when the gop elected a reptile and the clintons simultaneously became of zero value. In that second, liberals claimed to care about perversion. If Hilary had won, we would not be having this conversation.
Sexual harassment wasn't the same issue it was in the 1990's like it is today. Trump certainly has super charged the movement. As for Clinton, he paid a dear price for his very unethical relationship even back then.

But Bill wasn't running in 2016 and to hold his issues against Hillary wouldn't be fair to her at all.

Sexual harassment wasn't the same issue it was in the 1990's like it is today.

it was for the victims....

it was for the victims....
I think you can dig a little deeper than that.

Sexual harassment wasn't the same issue it was in the 1990's like it is today. Trump certainly has super charged the movement. As for Clinton, he paid a dear price for his very unethical relationship even back then.

But Bill wasn't running in 2016 and to hold his issues against Hillary wouldn't be fair to her at all.
It wasn’t the same issue for liberals, last year, as it is today. The difference? The pervert in the Oval Office is a republican, so now all of a sudden, mistreating women is bad. If Hilary had won, your side would still be ignoring this. As with most things, liberal outrage on this issue is very selective, which means it’s fake.
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But Bill wasn't running in 2016 and to hold his issues against Hillary wouldn't be fair to her at all.

Hilary lied to protect Bill ( blaming the cast right wing conspiracy for framing him), and Hilary used her platform as First Lady to slut shame his victims on national tv. True or false?
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I think you can dig a little deeper than that.

In other words, he’s got you and you know you can’t respond.
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It wasn’t the same issue for liberals, last year, as it is today. The difference? The pervert in the Oval Office is a republican, so now all of a sudden, mistreating women is bad. If Hilary had won, your side would still be ignoring this. As with most things, liberal outrage on this issue is very selective, which means it’s fake.
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it wasn't the same issue for anyone liberal or conservative... But Trump , Harvey Weinstein, bill o'reilly ,roger ailes, Rupert Murdoch. got caught with their pants down now its everyone's issue

and your stuck on Bill Clinton :faga:

it wasn't the same issue for anyone liberal or conservative... But Trump , Harvey Weinstein, bill o'reilly ,roger ailes, Rupert Murdoch. got caught with their pants down now its everyone's issue

and your stuck on Bill Clinton :faga:

curious choice of characters there given the field...Clinton actually had his pants down...when did Trump have his pants down?

it wasn't the same issue for anyone liberal or conservative... But Trump , Harvey Weinstein, bill o'reilly ,roger ailes, Rupert Murdoch. got caught with their pants down now its everyone's issue

and your stuck on Bill Clinton :faga:

No, I am focusing on Hilary now. She lied to protect bill, and she slut shamed his victims on national tv. And the people who supported her and her husband, lecture me about voting for trump. Spare me the fake moral outrage.
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No, I am focusing on Hilary now. She lied to protect bill, and she slut shamed his victims on national tv. And the people who supported her and her husband, lecture me about voting for trump. Spare me the fake moral outrage.
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He won't understand your point
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He won't understand your point
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He has no point. He is obsessed with the Clintons ( a wife defending her husband and that sprites you) a
He refuses to live in the present . Or accept the reality of who's involved in this current round of bad behavior .. he sees accusers of republicans as conspiracy. But accusers of democratics are truthfull and rightous and prove liberalism is the cause. power is the cause of sexual harassment and assault not party but that's lost on john

Hilary lied to protect Bill ( blaming the cast right wing conspiracy for framing him), and Hilary used her platform as First Lady to slut shame his victims on national tv. True or false?
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So Monica wasn't coached to not was herbr blue dress ?


http://www.famous-trials.com/clinton/889-lewinskydress

Thank you for proving my point
Comprehension and context escape you
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it wasn't the same issue for anyone liberal or conservative... But Trump , Harvey Weinstein, bill o'reilly ,roger ailes, Rupert Murdoch. got caught with their pants down now its everyone's issue

and your stuck on Bill Clinton :faga:

I am only surprised it was this quick to get to DJT. I figured they would wait a couple weeks.

For the record, never sexually assaulted or worse anyone. Don't condone it and don't vote (knowingly) for people proven to have. We as a nation need to be real careful about this because people will use this as leverage against legit and innocent people (difficult for me to use politicians as innocent in the same context.

The technology on the near horizon will allow bad guys to impersonate people both audibly and visually blurring reality from technology and the most honest people will be under pressure from this

So Monica wasn't coached to not was herbr blue dress ?


http://www.famous-trials.com/clinton/889-lewinskydress

Is this what aboutism? Oh, that's right, you've done a bunch of what aboutism on other posts, but it's only bad when other's do it.

He has no point. He is obsessed with the Clintons ( a wife defending her husband and that sprites you) a
He refuses to live in the present . Or accept the reality of who's involved in this current round of bad behavior .. he sees accusers of republicans as conspiracy. But accusers of democratics are truthfull and rightous and prove liberalism is the cause. power is the cause of sexual harassment and assault not party but that's lost on john

So, is Roy Moore doing his bad sex stuff in the present? Is Trump doing his bad sex stuff in the present?

I am only surprised it was this quick to get to DJT. I figured they would wait a couple weeks.

For the record, never sexually assaulted or worse anyone. Don't condone it and don't vote (knowingly) for people proven to have. We as a nation need to be real careful about this because people will use this as leverage against legit and innocent people (difficult for me to use politicians as innocent in the same context.

The technology on the near horizon will allow bad guys to impersonate people both audibly and visually blurring reality from technology and the most honest people will be under pressure from this

Your last point highlights one of the most dangerous challenge we all have moving forward, technology allows anyone anywhere to put on the internet whatever message they want; the Russians have known that for years. Now that it might not be as free as it once was, who knows how that is going to factor in, unless the law suits being brought forward are effective in reversing that.

No, I am focusing on Hilary now. She lied to protect bill, and she slut shamed his victims on national tv. And the people who supported her and her husband, lecture me about voting for trump. Spare me the fake moral outrage.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-viciously-attack/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-viciously-attack/

please dont bring facts into this are you crazy!!!

Is this what aboutism? Oh, that's right, you've done a bunch of what aboutism on other posts, but it's only bad when other's do it.

seem your not sure what it means "attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"


I directly refuted his argument with Fact based link .. to something he says didnt happen

So, is Roy Moore doing his bad sex stuff in the present? Is Trump doing his bad sex stuff in the present?

who said anything about their behavior being current this isn't the argument. but please keep trying to defend them


(peoples displeasure with such displays of bad behavior that occurred in past are affecting the present ..

definition of present : existing or occurring now.

seem your not sure what it means "attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument"


I directly refuted his argument with Fact based link .. to something he says didnt happen

Regardless of your verbal gymnastics, your post was a what aboutism.

So, is Roy Moore doing his bad sex stuff in the present? Is Trump doing his bad sex stuff in the present?

who said anything about their behavior being current this isn't the argument. but please keep trying to defend them


(peoples displeasure with such displays of bad behavior that occurred in past are affecting the present ..

definition of present : existing or occurring now.

Your the one who said:

"He [Jim in CT] has no point. He is obsessed with the Clintons ( a wife defending her husband and that sprites you) a
He refuses to live in the present . Or accept the reality of who's involved in this current round of bad behavior .. "

The "current round of bad behavior" is not current. The behavior is not current. There is no current round of Moore's or Trump's sexual behavior. It is old behavior which is being accused now. Hillary's and Bill's bad behavior did not stop them from being Party leaders. Neither did JFK's or Ted Kennedy's. And if, as you say here "peoples displeasure with such displays of bad behavior that occurred in past are affecting the present ..", how does Bill Clinton's proven sexual predation in the past not affect the present? Aren't some of the women he "assaulted" in the past still suffering from not getting "justice"? And so why do you say that pointing out Clinton's sexual behavior in the past is not affecting the present? That it's not, as you say, living "in the present"?

The Dems NOW saying that the Clinton's or the Kennedy's discretions were wrong and that they should have been convicted of something is too convenient (no political damage to the Dems in calling out the Clinton's and Kennedy's NOW instead of then when it counted), and, as Jim said, unbelievable.

And it is an obvious ploy to make it sound reasonable, even necessary, that we should do something, make some conviction or resignation happen, for Moore's or Trump's past supposed bad behavior.

He won't understand your point
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Obviously you were right
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He has no point. He is obsessed with the Clintons ( a wife defending her husband and that sprites you) a
He refuses to live in the present . Or accept the reality of who's involved in this current round of bad behavior .. he sees accusers of republicans as conspiracy. But accusers of democratics are truthfull and rightous and prove liberalism is the cause. power is the cause of sexual harassment and assault not party but that's lost on john

You might want to take a course in reading comprehension.

I can’t live in the present? How’s this? Presently, you are still bending over backwards to protect Hilary. Presently, I am saying that Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile who should be investigated and dealt with.

You are the one who gives a free pass to scumbags in their own party, not me.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

Am I going too fast for you?

And it’s ok to slut shame your husbands victims? ‘Standing up for your spouse’ is what you do if your spouse gets sick. Bill was not a victim who needed an advocate, he is a serial predator of women.

Snack on that for a bit.
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definition of present : existing or occurring now.



or something you give/get at Christmas :)

You are the one who gives a free pass to scumbags in their own party, not me.


really ?? your to funny now your are just lying.. to deflect your obvious bias on any topic that involves democrats or when someone points out your conclusions are not based it facts or truth . you are a True Republican a 1 trick pony ..

your point is clear YOU took an incident from the the 90's and 60's then you attach Slut-shaming which became a thing in 2000 and applied to an argument in 2017 to attack only liberals with a spinkle of Trump to look not bias ..

Not sure if you know this Hillary isn't running for office and when she was where were you to bring up her slut shaming all i heard was emails and Benghazi why is that?

Your the one who said:


Aren't some of the women he "assaulted" in the past still suffering from not getting "justice"? And so why do you say that pointing out Clinton's sexual behavior in the past is not affecting the present? That it's not, as you say, living "in the present"?

all theses women you say were assaulted have the same legal rights as the women who claimed Trump and Moore assaulted them.. the statute of limitations protect all of the accused equally public opinion is a separate matter and if Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton were running for office today (present) those issues would be front and center



The Dems NOW saying that the Clinton's or the Kennedy's discretions were wrong and that they should have been convicted of something is too convenient ( for Moore's or Trump's past supposed bad behavior.

They were wrong the day they happen and still are . the idea that they are not and they were not punished .. is another conservative urban legend ! Ted Kennedy plead guilty. and the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice.

so please spare me there was no "justice" for their actions ?

You are the one who gives a free pass to scumbags in their own party, not me.


really ?? your to funny now your are just lying.. to deflect your obvious bias on any topic that involves democrats or when someone points out your conclusions are not based it facts or truth . you are a True Republican a 1 trick pony ..

your point is clear YOU took an incident from the the 90's and 60's then you attach Slut-shaming which became a thing in 2000 and applied to an argument in 2017 to attack only liberals with a spinkle of Trump to look not bias ..

Not sure if you know this Hillary isn't running for office and when she was where were you to bring up her slut shaming all i heard was emails and Benghazi why is that?

It’s not an ancient incident, if as of yesterday, you are still saying that Hilary didn’t do anything wrong.

I’m nowhere near a gop drone - i suporybgay marriage and gun control, and I am opposed to the death penalty. And unlike you, I can point callnout scumbags on my side, and I want them OUT.
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