Finally I'm out of this crazy place.

This is not good. Tillerson was the one person in trumps clown car who knew how to drive and read a road map. Dark days ahead... however I could be and usually am wrong.
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Looks like he got fired by Tweet - didn't even have a one on one with
the Pres. Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti

Spite fire - like with Comey.

Personally I want to thank the Dems and the Republicans for putting forward the worst effing possible candidates. When I think of how bad this is it is at least tempered by it could have been Hillary or Bernie.

This is not good. Tillerson was the one person in trumps clown car who knew how to drive and read a road map. Dark days ahead... however I could be and usually am wrong.
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Well, this is not true; Haley is doing a very good job, McMasters is OK (though probably on way out) and Chaos might be the best Damn SecDef in Forever - and certainly at least since Bob Gates

Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti.
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^^^^ This
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Would have felt much better with Rex sitting down solo or beside DJT with little rocket man, now you only have the bad cop.

Ahead of meeting with NK (assuming it ever happens and wasn’t just djt having impulsive verbal diarrhea, which is what it seems) without tillerson, or even N ambassador to SK... what could go wrong....
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the Pres. Propbably as a result of Rex's Anti-Russian tweet - this is what concerns me most about Trump - if there is real influence on DJT by Pooti
At this point I don't see how else you explain away his inability to be critical of Russia.

At this point I don't see how else you explain away his inability to be critical of Russia.


Would have been real nice if the previous admin had done anything about it - like calling the 80s to redistribute their foreign policy.

So we have TWO back to back administrations that are completely mismanaging the greatest (arguably) Geopolitical / foreign policy threat.

(my list: Russia & China,Russia, China, 20TB and growing debt, Norks, Syria, failure of liberal western democracies)

So we have TWO back to back administrations that are completely mismanaging the greatest (arguably) Geopolitical / foreign policy threat.
Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.

Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.

What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do?

What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do?

I think Trump kisses Putin's golden ring a bit more than Putin does, but there is definitely a love fest there; not sure if there is a deep state conspiracy there. Even as of a week or so ago, DJT still was passing around the belief that the hacking could have been many others other than Russia.

What does it "look like" they are conspiring to do?
At a minimum conspiring to cover up or minimize the fallout from Russia's efforts to disrupt the election in favor for Trump. They might have different motivations but the behavior is quite telling.

I think Trump kisses Putin's golden ring a bit more than Putin does, but there is definitely a love fest there; not sure if there is a deep state conspiracy there. Even as of a week or so ago, DJT still was passing around the belief that the hacking could have been many others other than Russia.

If there is a love affair between them, it certainly hasn't gone farther than some hints, and is, so far as we know, unrequited, and doesn't have any indications of leading to a marriage. Even been a few spats. Maybe a passing fancy? Maybe a trick?

The Donald does have a tendency to fire people who he has praised.

Well, Obama may have underestimated what it would take to influence Russia but Trump looks like an active co-conspirator. Two very different things.


Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on.

From listening to talking heads and reading between the lines somewhat, it sounds like Tillerson was operating the State Dept as he liked and ignoring the (moron in the) WH.

At a minimum conspiring to cover up or minimize the fallout from Russia's efforts to disrupt the election in favor for Trump.

Trump and Putin praising each other is a strange way to cover up a cozy conspiracy between them. But let's assume that it is a masterfully devious trick, a grand deflection, to hide what is,"At a minimum", a conspiracy to cover up a conspiracy, what would be the "maximum" conspiracy between Trump and Putin?

They might have different motivations but the behavior is quite telling.

Please do tell us what the behavior tells.

Please do tell us what the behavior tells.
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers
What does Trump's behavior tell you?

What does Trump's behavior tell you?
He's under Putin's thumb.

He's under Putin's thumb.

Ding ding ding !
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Success of his business interests in Russia rely on Putin's support. His behavior toward Russia is embarrassing. Only a trumpite wouldn't see that.
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If only 1 firing/quit today, Trump is doing wel!

Obama habitually effed up and underestimate foreign powers and the Great Game. Jury is still out if DJT can surpass BO on FP complete and utter stupidity as the amount is great, but the race is on.

You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Not to mention that Obama inherited one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in US history. Sure, let's invade a strategic nation in an unstable region and give it to Iran...great job W.

You think bush was better? Foreign policy is a tough neighborhood. You call it stupidity on Obama part, but I would be interested to hear you back that up with specific facts. Probably point to as many failures of the great comedian with his contras and support of Afghanistan that lead to Al qaida and nuclear Pakistan. Trump's damage was going to be limited by surrounding himself with good people. That is going great!
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Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.

Success of his business interests in Russia rely on Putin's support. His behavior toward Russia is embarrassing. Only a trumpite wouldn't see that.
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The reason that I don't see what anti-trumpers want me to see is that they present innuendo, conjecture, and contradiction without hard evidence of conspiracy and then claim there is something to see.

For instance, Pete F. posts a 6 point list of things Putin supposedly wants:
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers

and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.

and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.
He didn't imply any such thing. The implication was why Trump's behavior doesn't push back against those same things given the consensus among government agencies as to Russia's intent.

Hell, Sanders yesterday wouldn't even play with implicating Russia in the UK assassination even though one of our most trusted allies and even our own Secretary of State (oops) have spoken otherwise.

He didn't imply any such thing.

Well if Pete didn't imply that Trump wanted what Putin wanted, then what was the connection between the two statements that sandwiched the 6 items: "What would Putin want? [the six items] "What does Trump's behavior tell you?" I assumed that what Pete referred to as Trump's unspecified behavior re those six items was connected to what Putin would want--that Trump's supposed behavior supported Putin's desires.


The implication was why Trump's behavior doesn't push back against those same things given the consensus among government agencies as to Russia's intent.

So your saying that his implication was only to ask a question for which he has no inferred answer, that his question was not rhetorical, it was just wondering what did I think--then he wasn 't actually saying anything about Trump's unspecified behavior, and I can't answer a vague question regarding unspecified behavior. Nor do I wish to even try.

Hell, Sanders yesterday wouldn't even play with implicating Russia in the UK assassination even though one of our most trusted allies and even our own Secretary of State (oops) have spoken otherwise.[/QUOTE]

And what is that supposed to tell us about Trump's intentions? What does your assertion that Trump is under Putin's thumb supposed to imply about Trump's behavior?

if his 1st picks are all gone who's better?? or is going to surround himself with just members from his fan club ?

America 1st or Trump 1st starting to think its the other way around

going to west to look at wall samples and another rally(base love fest to boost his ego ) he's a micro manager for sure

I wonder if it had anything to do with Tillerson calling Trump a moron
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I wonder if it had anything to do with Tillerson calling Trump a moron
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Surely that had influence. How related to the Russia thing is what gets me in a bunch.

The reason that I don't see what anti-trumpers want me to see is that they present innuendo, conjecture, and contradiction without hard evidence of conspiracy and then claim there is something to see.

For instance, Pete F. posts a 6 point list of things Putin supposedly wants:
What would Putin want?
1. Destroy or invalidate US intelligence assets
2. Destroy or weaken NATO
3. Destroy or weaken Economic alliances of his opposition
4. Destabilize democracies, encourage authoritarian regimes
5. Remove the USA as a world leader for democracy
6. Remove or lessen sanctions placed on him or his followers

and implies that Trump wants to do those 6 things. Most of which would harm his "business interests," which are what you imply are what he wants to protect by gaining Putin's support.
I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
The Emporer has no clothes
Spelling on a phone sucks
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Yes, with the exception of Iraq - Big Exception - Bush was better.

Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
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I made a list of some of Putin’s possible goals or things that would further Putin’s agenda. You are welcome to refute it by example but saying blindly that Trump has our best interests at heart because Doesn’t work.
The Emporer has no clothes
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I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.

If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me?

Big exception is right. Destabilized Afghanistan and ignored it as Iraq fell to pieces, prevented key allies from participation in reconstruction in favor of Cheney's haliburton, contributed to the rise of Hamas and Ahmadinejad. His foreign policy was a disaster that Obama couldn't match and Trump has yet to.
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The de-Bathification of the Iraqi government and military will go down as perhaps the biggest foreign policy blunder we've ever seen in this generation.
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I didn't try to refute that Putin, "possibly," had those goals. I assumed that you were implying that Trump supported what Putin, possibly, wanted. I didn't say blindly, or with 20/20 vision, that Trump has our best interests at heart, nor did I say he doesn't.

If you didn't imply that Trump was in accord with, or supported, or conspired with Putin's desires re those 6 points, then I have no idea about what you were trying to say by bringing up Putin and six things he possibly wanted and connecting Trump to that by asking what Trump's unspecified behavior told me?
I bet the Russian government has video of trump and some Russian hookers getting down in a hotel room. Maybe they are peeing on him. Trump knows they have dirt on him and is going to do what ever it takes to keep it under wraps. The Russians have a word for this type of thing. “ Kompromat” or compromising information. Things don’t add up when you look at his behavior in an objective way.
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Another Aid gets the boot only to land on his feet in Trump re election teat ..i mean Team his golf caddy is the only 1 left

Mr McEntee was fired amid a US Department of Homeland Security investigation against him for financial crimes

Trump's re-election campaign manager, Brad Parscale

We need the help of proven leaders such as... John to promote the President's growing portfolio of achievements across the country."


"serious financial crimes"or any crimes equal proven leaders in the Trump administration :kewl:

I bet the Russian government has video of trump and some Russian hookers getting down in a hotel room. Maybe they are peeing on him. Trump knows they have dirt on him and is going to do what ever it takes to keep it under wraps. The Russians have a word for this type of thing. “ Kompromat” or compromising information. Things don’t add up when you look at his behavior in an objective way.
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My bet is he received loans tied to Russian money when he could get loans nowhere else (Ask Don jr) and he laundered money thru real estate for Russian Oligarchs (trump tower sales) of course that is just being a businessman.

Rex is gone, most of DJT's original cabinet gone and now when we need a firm response to back the UK; Trump fires Rex in the most unprofessional and disrespectful way possible. I think the only difference between the two is Trump fires people that don't kiss his arse and lick his golf shoes and Putin kills them.

rep eric said
quote:
Gloat now, but you will be fired soon. And it’s not going to be done cowardly, as you’ve done to so many who’ve served you. There’s a storm gathering, Mr. President, and it’s going to wipe out you and your corrupt organization all the way down to the studs.


all the way down to the studs -love that :laugha:

What studs, Trump throws the studs out before the nails are driven. You don’t do his bidding, speak out against his proposed actions or god forbid be potentially helping the Russia investigation are your fired. Your not even given the courtesy of a professional and respectful termination; the thin skinned coward fires you via tweeter. With Russia brazenly looking at all sorts of ways to disrupt our way of life and especially with the recent revelation about how deep into our utilities they have hacked and the murders in the U.K.; what a wonderful time to undermine the FBI.
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I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
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I agree with John McCains harsh response to hearing Trump congratulate Putin on his electoral (joke) win. Trump either idolizes Putin, Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, or he is the pussy I know he is when it comes to Putin. No confrontation about the meddling in our elections, no confrontation about the poisoning of our allies, just a pat on the back.
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I do too.

I agree also
And for those wondering
“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections. And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election.”
www.mccain.senate.go…
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Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
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Don't forget there are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent
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Out country is not exactly innocent but if you draw a moral equivalent between US, PRC, and RUS you need to revisit who the really bad guys are.

If the US steps back on the world stage do you think RUS or PRC is going to do a better job??

President Trump, asked by an interviewer on Saturday why he respected President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia even though he is “a killer,” seemed to equate Mr. Putin’s actions with those of the United States.

“You got a lot of killers,” he told the interviewer, Bill O’Reilly of Fox News. “What, you think our country’s so innocent?”
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President Trump, asked by an interviewer on Saturday why he respected President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia even though he is “a killer,” seemed to equate Mr. Putin’s actions with those of the United States.

“You got a lot of killers,” he told the interviewer, Bill O’Reilly of Fox News. “What, you think our country’s so innocent?”
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And we agree he is a tool.