Just remember you're not Michael Cohen :hihi:

What’s the deal. Did he go to Czech Republic or not??
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Sean Hannity unmasked as Trump lawyer's mystery client

Things that make you go hummm

yup...just keeps getting better....the Judge ....Kimba Wood.....Clinton nominee for AG... officiated the wedding of George Soros....

can't make this stuff up....

reality tv world we live in.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428855/George-Soros-does-The-billionaire-83-gets-married-time-LAVISH-wedding-42-year-old-fiance-New-York-estate-Saturday.html

this is just hilarious...

Michael Cohen case is being heard by Judge Kimba Wood — aka the 'Love Judge'


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cohen-case-heard-judge-kimba-wood-aka-love-judge-article-1.3936953

yup...just keeps getting better....the Judge ....Kimba Wood.....Clinton nominee for AG... officiated the wedding of George Soros....

can't make this stuff up....

reality tv world we live in.....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428855/George-Soros-does-The-billionaire-83-gets-married-time-LAVISH-wedding-42-year-old-fiance-New-York-estate-Saturday.html

this is just hilarious...

Michael Cohen case is being heard by Judge Kimba Wood — aka the 'Love Judge'


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cohen-case-heard-judge-kimba-wood-aka-love-judge-article-1.3936953

Your point?
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Your point?
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the incest and shenanigans run deep....


"the love judge"...presiding over a case involving "the love pres" and a hooker.....I wonder if Clinton ever took a swing at that ...odds are pretty good:uhuh:


pretty sure Soros invested more money in the last election than the Russians

I was going to ask if Hannity discussing Cohen w/o dislosing that Cohen was his attorney would be a violation of Foxes disclosure requirements then I remembered that it was Fox.

Better get the taint team focused in on this. Hehehe
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Simon Maloy of the anti-Fox group Media Matters tweeted: "Pause for a moment to reflect upon what one Sean Hannity might do with news that an MSNBC personality had hidden a relationship with a Clinton attorney under criminal investigation."

I was going to ask if Hannity discussing Cohen w/o dislosing that Cohen was his attorney would be a violation of Foxes disclosure requirements then I remembered that it was Fox.
It would get anyone else fired...
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Your point?
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It's just a feeble attempt to draw connections that don't exist.
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Maybe time to put up a thread about some whiney college kid in Idaho.

It would get anyone else fired...
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so would having a secret server in your bathroom

so would having a secret server in your bathroom
Not according to the FBI....but...but...
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Not according to the FBI....but...but...
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I'm pretty sure you're confusing pressing charges (even though a lesser person would have been charged) with getting fired..but...but....


Let me guess.....context :rolleyes:
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I'm pretty sure you're confusing pressing charges (even though a lesser person would have been charged) with getting fired..but...but....


Let me guess.....context :rolleyes:
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Well, you still have to have cause.

Well, you still have to have cause.

national security

national security

Scooter, be careful
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national security

Pfffffttttt....National Security, who has time to worry about National Security when you have a Glass Ceiling to shatter.

I wonder if they ran a Craigslist add after the election.

For Sale, Like New, Barely Used, Glass Ceiling. $1

Bought for Celebration but found it was not needed at last minute. A quick wipe down with Windex should remove salty spots and render it in "As New" condition.

Pfffffttttt....National Security, who has time to worry about National Security when you have a Glass Ceiling to shatter.
What a sexist thing to say.

She wasn't worried about Wisconsin
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What a sexist thing to say.

Nah, I've decided to become gender Fluid. I woke up this morning and decided that I was an Angry White Woman.

Works great on those "1/2 priced Well-drinks and Appetizers" Ladies Nights.

But my boss always tries to pay me 27% less on those days so its a wash :huh:

She wasn't worried about Wisconsin
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She would have won WI had they not enacted a voter ID law.

She would have won WI had they not enacted a voter ID law.

I'll give you a definite maybe on that one

She would have won WI had they not enacted a voter ID law.

How do you know that?
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She would have won WI had they not enacted a voter ID law.

And Bernie would have won had wasserman not meddled in the election. Oh wait it’s the Russians fault !
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Pfffffttttt....National Security, who has time to worry about National Security when you have a Glass Ceiling to shatter.

I wonder if they ran a Craigslist add after the election.

For Sale, Like New, Barely Used, Glass Ceiling. $1

Bought for Celebration but found it was not needed at last minute. A quick wipe down with Windex should remove salty spots and render it in "As New" condition.

That was a great post. She also spent a ton of money on fireworks, thinking (as I did) that she'd need them. Trump claims that he offered her team 10 cents on the dollar, for her fireworks, I loved hearing that.

What a sexist thing to say.

Is it sexist to tell millions of women, that they didn't vote for Hilary, only because they feel obligated to do what their husbands want them to do?

Let me guess, I took that out of context...

How do you know that?
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Because democrats don't lose fair elections, they can only lose if something sinister was involved.

If you look back, does anyone remember who ran against incumbent presidents?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning, a year into his presidency, the opponents in the previous race?
Isn't it kind of odd?

If you look back, does anyone remember who ran against incumbent presidents?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning, a year into his presidency, the opponents in the previous race?
Isn't it kind of odd?

I'm not getting a clear picture of what you're trying to say, but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama said negative things about the other parties candidates in the previous race. If I recall correctly, it was mentioned at the time that they had broken an understood courtesy of not speaking ill of the previous administration.

In any case, there is this thing referred to as "the first time." Is it odd that something happens for the first time? Actually, don't all things have a first time?

First times often are odd because they are different. Is odd or different bad? What is your point? Are we supposed to be shocked or indignant?

I'm not getting a clear picture of what you're trying to say, but Bill Clinton and Barack Obama said negative things about the other parties candidates in the previous race. If I recall correctly, it was mentioned at the time that they had broken an understood courtesy of not speaking ill of the previous administration.

In any case, there is this thing referred to as "the first time." Is it odd that something happens for the first time? Actually, don't all things have a first time?

First times often are odd because they are different. Is odd or different bad? What is your point? Are we supposed to be shocked or indignant?
Did they do it daily? To the point where they seemed obsessed by it?
Not counting speeches, off the cuff remarks and press reports from the White house, he has taken time off from golf to twitt 100 times each about Obama and Clinton.
That's why the cry of the Trumplican is "But Hillary"

If you look back, does anyone remember who ran against incumbent presidents?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning, a year into his presidency, the opponents in the previous race?
Isn't it kind of odd?
Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd?

Spence .. he was just speaking his mind. Everyone loves a guy who says what he means. :hihi:
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Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd?

Isn't a president saying if I had a son he'd look like him..... a little odd

or a president telling a couple of cops who were just doing their jobs that they were acting stupidly...a little odd

Maybe a President telling a young intern 'Hold my Cigar".... a little odd.

Do you remember any president ever mentioning a private citizen should be thrown in jail while they were in office? Isn't it kind of odd?
You mean presidents that have thrown their citizens into jail?
Sure,
Vladimir Putin, Russia
Viktor Yanukovych, Ukraine
Nicolás Maduro, Venezuela
Kim Jong-un, North Korea
Ali Khamenei, Iran
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda
Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe
Hun Sen, Cambodia
Hosni Mubarak, Egypt

Isn't a president saying if I had a son he'd look like him..... a little odd
certainly, he is the only black president, which is odd in itself

or a president telling a couple of cops who were just doing their jobs that they were acting stupidly...a little odd
I don't remember which one this is

Maybe a President telling a young intern 'Hold my Cigar".... a little odd.
Should have just grabbed her.........
All said and done, no president has come close to Trump.
But Hillary............

The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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Did they do it daily? To the point where they seemed obsessed by it?

Yes. Throughout both the Clinton and Obama administrations, they both constantly criticized their predecessors.

Not counting speeches, off the cuff remarks and press reports from the White house, he has taken time off from golf to twitt 100 times each about Obama and Clinton.

His tweets usually use information which already had been disseminated to the public in various forms.

That's why the cry of the Trumplican is "But Hillary"

This "but . . ." meme is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy.

The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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As usual you really don't add much.

How can anything useful be added to the ad hominem nonsense of referring to what someone has said as "odd."

I don't remember which one this is

you don't remember "BeerGate"?

Should have just grabbed her.........


isn't that just a "But Trump...."

This "but . . ." meme is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy.
Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest.
And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind.
“I was going to say ‘dummy’ Bush; I won’t say it. I won’t say it,”
“I refuse to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo, because that would not be politically correct,”
“Unlike others, I never attacked dopey Jon Stewart for his phony last name. Would never do that!”
“I promised I would not say that she [Carly Fiornia] ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say it, so I will not say it.”
"I'm the least________" you can fill it in

you don't remember "BeerGate"?



isn't that just a "But Trump...."
Absolutely, but there are so many more opportunities there that it is always easy to cite one, like sleeping with porn stars, but i wouldn't do that, it wouldn't be nice.

Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest.
And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind.
“I was going to say ‘dummy’ Bush; I won’t say it. I won’t say it,”
“I refuse to call Megyn Kelly a bimbo, because that would not be politically correct,”
“Unlike others, I never attacked dopey Jon Stewart for his phony last name. Would never do that!”
“I promised I would not say that she [Carly Fiornia] ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say it, so I will not say it.”
"I'm the least________" you can fill it in

Repeating your accusation in different forms does not advance a discussion.

Absolutely, but there are so many more opportunities there that it is always easy to cite one, like sleeping with porn stars, but i wouldn't do that, it wouldn't be nice.

But Trump.......
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I have no problem comparing one president with another. I do think it's a joke trying to compare what someone did once or twice with what President Trump does numerous times on a daily basis as if there's some equivalency there.
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Repeating your accusation in different forms does not advance a discussion.

Answer the question then
Is the use of classic rhetoric by Trump better?
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As usual you really don't add much.

Sure thing Mr Butthurt.
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Good one
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Answer the question then
Is the use of classic rhetoric by Trump better?
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You originally posed it as a statement, not a question, in response to my saying that: "This 'But . . . meme' is getting tiresome. Especially when most of those who cite it do it themselves [as you've done in this thread]. It's not a valid argument but an Alinsky type tactic of ridicule meant to distract and destroy." To which you replied:

"Oh no, that is so evil sounds like something the evil NEA would suggest. And the tactic used by Trump, classic rhetoric is better in your mind."

In the first place, I didn't say your tactic was evil. I said it was ridicule, not a valid argument, and was meant to distract and destroy (that is, saying something like "But Hillary" is supposed to make a comparison to her a ridiculous thing to do, and absolves the "But . . " meme user from having to address or discuss the comparison. Perhaps you consider that an evil tactic. Perhaps you're right. I leave that up to you.

Secondly, if you're asking me if I consider what you refer to as Trump's use of "classical rhetoric" better than your repeating various versions of Trump-as-idiot, or better than your use of the "But . . ." meme, I don't place any value on any of those things. They are all equally little bits of isolated, out of context, useless information meant to cast aspersion.

And I don't equate Trump quotes to classical rhetoric. Did you mean to use the sarcastic "classy" rather than "classical" to describe his rhetoric? That would also be an Alinsky-like tactic of ridicule meant to convince or "win" an argument--much easier than torturing minds with logic and deductive reasoning.

Scooter, be careful


great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less...

great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less...
Lying to the FBI to cover up a crime isn't far far less.
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The behind is still stinging on all liberals who got spanked by Hillary,that's why guys here are still chasing their tail. Get over it,most likely only a few more years. Just let it go and ride it out.
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Clinton who? Seems like the issue today has everything to do with POTUS and the pass he's being given by his own party.
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Lying to the FBI to cover up a crime isn't far far less.
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what crime?

what crime?
I don't remember, something about outing a covert CIA agent...
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I don't remember, something about outing a covert CIA agent...
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oh... right.... Jane Bond....what a joke....

again....what crime?

oh... right.... Jane Bond....what a joke....

again....what crime?
See previous remark.
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See previous remark.
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right...the crime you don't remember:hihi:

great point by you...Scooter got in much more trouble over FAR, FAR less...
Lying to protect your superior is OK in your book then.
Pretty clear message sent there.

Lying to protect your superior is OK in your book then.
Pretty clear message sent there.

did I write that ? I don't think I did or even implied .....

when it comes to "national security"...which is what you responded to...what hillary did is far worse than what scooter did....

Clinton who? Seems like the issue today has everything to do with POTUS and the pass he's being given by his own party.
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Is this why you are butthurt?
And you have not provided a pass for your own party in the past when they have been accused of wrong doings? Hypocrite much Jeff?
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I think it is quite comical that the man with great concerns about various people leaking and lying, pardoned someone who was convicted for leaking and lying about it.

Enjoy your laugh Pete,good for the soul.
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I think it is quite comical that the man with great concerns about various people leaking and lying, pardoned someone who was convicted for leaking and lying about it.

was he convicted for leaking?

Are we talking about that Manning Dude(ette)?

I think it is quite comical that the man with great concerns about various people leaking and lying, pardoned someone who was convicted for leaking and lying about it.

What do you expect from somone who invites 2 Russian envoys into the oval office w/no other Americans present and betrayed the intelligence community by leaking the content of a classified and Israeli intelligence operation.

What do you expect from somone who invites 2 Russian envoys into the oval office w/no other Americans present

did they get to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom too?

did they get to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom too?
With the embedded agent?

was he convicted for leaking?

He was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements.
Why don't you just ask Valerie Plame what she thinks?

Of course maybe Trump likes Scooter because he wrote a book.
The title was The Apprentice, maybe he thought it was about him.

He was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements.
Why don't you just ask Valerie Plame what she thinks?

Sometimes overzealous prosecutors, who haven't been able to convict their real target, and need SOME conviction to justify the time and money spent, cook the books a little bit to frame somebody, anybody, else they can get (sort of what seems to be going on in the Mueller inestigation):

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/new_revelation_helps_exonerate_scooter_libby.html

He was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements.
Why don't you just ask Valerie Plame what she thinks?

you said he was convicted for leaking....

"pardoned someone who was convicted for leaking"

good thing you aren't under oath :)

Sometimes overzealous prosecutors, who haven't been able to convict their real target, and need SOME conviction to justify the time and money spent, cook the books a little bit to frame somebody, anybody, else they can get (sort of what seems to be going on in the Mueller inestigation):

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/new_revelation_helps_exonerate_scooter_libby.html

So why did it become something that needed to be done now?
Do you think Trump finally got down that far in his reading pile, discovered this book and then decided to pardon Scooter.
Or maybe Stephen Miller suggested............
Someday books will be written and we will find out something, probably contradictory depending on which ones you read.

Sometimes overzealous prosecutors, who haven't been able to convict their real target, and need SOME conviction to justify the time and money spent, cook the books a little bit to frame somebody, anybody, else they can get (sort of what seems to be going on in the Mueller inestigation):

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/04/new_revelation_helps_exonerate_scooter_libby.html
Thanks for citing a very neutral source. I'd note his conviction was considered an open and shut case.

Thanks for citing a very neutral source. I'd note his conviction was considered an open and shut case.

You mean a "neutral" source such as The Washington Post? Like this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/04/09/time-to-reverse-the-scooter-libby-conviction/?utm_term=.aded0574b100

Would you care to dispute the article rather than throw a demeaning label at it?

It seems, per the article, that his conviction was prematurely or fraudulently opened and shut. Like a lot of fraudulent convictions are.

I don't know of any major sources that are "neutral." So, unlike you, I evaluate what a source actually says, rather than bitching about the source's lack of neutrality.

However, I can see how it would be far more convenient to kill the messenger than to read the message. The only thing that might suffer from that is something that is as minor as the truth.

QUOTE=Pete F.;1141443]So why did it become something that needed to be done now?

Because Obama or Bush didn't. Do you think it should have been done sooner . . . later . . . or never? What is the point of your question?

Do you think Trump finally got down that far in his reading pile, discovered this book and then decided to pardon Scooter.
Or maybe Stephen Miller suggested............

Right . . . right . . . President's should not ever listen to advice. Wait . . . haven't all of them often depended on advice about what would be right, good, important, or good optics, to do?

Right . . . right . . . Trump is different. He is odd.

Someday books will be written and we will find out something, probably contradictory depending on which ones you read.[/QUOTE]

And some books are right and some are wrong--that is, in a world in which right and wrong, objective reality, exist.

In the vague Post Modern world, only opinion and power matter. You often seem, to me, to be anchored in the indefinite, the innuendo, the suggestion, the isolated incident colored by opinions meant to give power to narratives and parties that suits some world view that makes you comfortable.

That's why it is so fruitless to ask you what your point is. Some actual, substantial "point" would destroy the creative beauty of your narrative.

Is this why you are butthurt?
And you have not provided a pass for your own party in the past when they have been accused of wrong doings? Hypocrite much Jeff?
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My rear is fine but thanks for thinking about it. I don't really adhere to a party so I'm not sure who I'm giving a pass to but I do think a lot of issues need to be put into perspective.

Thanks for the laugh
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Why don't you just ask Valerie Plame what she thinks?

I did, she said to tell you that she and her husband subsequently filed a civil lawsuit against Libby, #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney, Karl Rove, and other unnamed senior White House officials, they later added Richard Armitage for their role in the public disclosure of Valerie Wilson's classified CIA status. Judge John D. Bates dismissed the Wilsons' lawsuit on jurisdictional grounds. The Wilsons appealed Bates's district-court decision the next day. Agreeing with the Bush administration, the Obama Justice Department argued that the Wilsons had no legitimate grounds to sue.

some interesting tidbits...

Christopher Hitchens asserted that Richard Armitage was the primary source of the Valerie Plame leak and that Fitzgerald knew this at the beginning of his investigation. This was supported a month later by Armitage himself, who stated that Fitzgerald had instructed him not to go public with this information.

Alan Dershowitz cited the "questionable investigation(s)" of Scooter Libby as evidence of the problems brought to the criminal justice process by "politically appointed and partisan attorney(s) general".

Investor's Business Daily questioned Fitzgerald's truthfulness in an editorial, stating "From top to bottom, this has been one of the most disgraceful abuses of prosecutorial power in this country's history...The Plame case proves [Fitzgerald] can bend the truth with the proficiency of the slickest of pols.

Peter Berkowitz argued that statements by Judith Miller, in her recently published memoir, raised anew contentions that her testimony was inaccurate and that Fitzgerald's conduct as prosecutor was inappropriate.


maybe someday books will be written.....please tell me how, with regard to national security, what "Scooter, be careful" did or didn't do, is
that worse than what Hillary did in her handling of classified material?

My rear is fine..... .I don't really adhere to a party....



hall of fame stuff

My rear is fine but thanks for thinking about it. I don't really adhere to a party so I'm not sure who I'm giving a pass to but I do think a lot of issues need to be put into perspective.

"I don't really adhere to a party"

I have no words.

" I do think a lot of issues need to be put into perspective"

And context, don't forget context.

maybe someday books will be written.....please tell me how, with regard to national security, what "Scooter, be careful" did or didn't do, is
that worse than what Hillary did in her handling of classified material?
Classic “BH”
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Classic “BH”
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ummm...you injected "Scooter careful" in the context of national security regarding BH.....:kewl:....classic "BS"

Classic “BH”
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Funny thing is while Scott makes fun of Plame for being a woman he doesn't realize she was actually a covert field operative in Greece for years recruiting spies for the CIA and when she was outed was leading a secret team recruiting Iraqi nationals in the US to go back to Iraq and spy on Saddam.

I'm also not sure Scott even read his copy and paste. The Wilson lawsuit wasn't dismissed because it lacked merit, it was dismissed because Wilson didn't demonstrate that it belonged in a Federal court.

Funny thing is while Scott makes fun of Plame for being a woman he doesn't realize she was actually a covert field operative in Greece for years recruiting spies for the CIA and when she was outed was leading a secret team recruiting Iraqi nationals in the US to go back to Iraq and spy on Saddam.

I'm also not sure Scott even read his copy and paste. The Wilson lawsuit wasn't dismissed because it lacked merit, it was dismissed because Wilson didn't demonstrate that it belonged in a Federal court.

still keeping busy too...


" She has been keeping busy in the years since she retired from the C.I.A. and moved, with her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, from Washington to Sante Fe, writing spy thrillers and raising teenage twins. She turned one of her books, a memoir about the 2003 scandal that bears her name, into a movie starring Sean Penn and Naomi Watts. But it is her obsession with nuclear weapons that has inspired her most recent, and most quixotic, bout of activism.

This week, Plame, who works closely with counter-proliferation group Global Zero, announced a new crowd-funding campaign to buy a controlling stake in Twitter and force the company to ban Trump from the platform. “Time and again his use of this huge global platform has major consequences in the real world,” Plame writes on her GoFundMe page. “Trump has already brought us closer to nuclear war than any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. We can’t take Trump’s nukes away (yet!), but we can take away his biggest megaphone and stop him from tweeting armageddon.”

The plan is ambitious, to say the least. Plame is seeking to raise $1 billion, in what would be the largest crowd-funding campaign of all time. Similar plans went nowhere when a group of shareholders petitioned Twitter to sell itself to its users earlier this year, nor when Mexican currency traders floated a bid to buy the company and immediately shut it down. Still, Plame is deadly serious about the idea—"

still keeping busy too...
Wow, talented, courageous, patriotic and ambitious. She is impressive to say the least.

Wow, talented, courageous, patriotic and ambitious. She is impressive to say the least.

So is Trump. And it doesn't absolve Fitzgerald for railroading Scooter.

So is Trump. And it doesn't absolve Fitzgerald for railroading Scooter.
I don't think I'd ascribe much of that to Trump aside for the ambitious part, but it would be hard to feed that ego without some drive.

Libby may have been a fall guy but that doesn't absolve him from what the grand jury found.

I don't think I'd ascribe much of that to Trump aside for the ambitious part, but it would be hard to feed that ego without some drive.

That is such a disgusting, squirmy, biased opinion.

"Some" drive? "feed that ego"--what feeds yours? Oh that's right, you don't have an ego, you're neutral. You don't "ascribe" to much of that? It doesn't take talent and courage to do what he has done? To create a multi-billion dollar, worldwide business, going from defeat to victory. To defeat several "talented" politicians on a stage in front of a nation. To battle with a mainstream opposition Press in front of the nation? To become President of the United States against all odds? Oh, yeah, Plame is so much more accomplished, talented and courageous than Trump. If you "ascribe" to that, your ascription is questionable at best. More likely, its worthless and obviously prejudiced.

And Trump is not patriotic? He is pushing for policies that return wealth and jobs to our country. He is fighting for tax and regulatory policies that keep more money in the hands of or citizens and loosen the onerous stranglehold government has on our businesses. He strengthens our military.

But he has this past of consensual sex outside of marriage and infidelity during marriage that other Presidents and billionaires and many or most men don't have. Er . . . maybe they do. But, even so, he's a really bad guy. So he must not be courageous, talented, or patriotic.

Libby may have been a fall guy but that doesn't absolve him from what the grand jury found.

It shouldn't have gotten to a grand jury. Fitzgerald knew that Scooter didn't out Plame.

I didn’t know Michael Cohen was a member.
Remember Trump is really a Democrat
“In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat,” Trump said in an interview with CNN. “It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats.... But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we've had some pretty bad disasters under the Republicans.”
I think he might be setting someone up
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It shouldn't have gotten to a grand jury. Fitzgerald knew that Scooter didn't out Plame.
But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.

But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.
Don't you know, lying is OK now.
Blatant lies are the best, repeated as often as possible.

But he knew he lied to cover it up, blatantly.

Fitzerald knew that he, himself, blatently, brazenly, illegally, withheld exculpatory information from Scooter's lawyer and from one of his star witnesses, and by which he manipulated a false testimony from Judith Miller. His withholding of evidence was prosecutorial misconduct, a lie of omission, and he knew that the withheld evidence would have severely damaged his case. Fitzgerald knew he was wrongly squeezing Scooter in order to get him to testify against Cheney. He knew Scooter didn't out Plame, but was willing to create the big lie then promise Scooter that he would drop the charges if he would turn on Cheney.

In the end, it turned out that Neither Cheney nor Scooter outed Plame. Armitage did, and he was not prosecuted. Why?

In the end, it turned out that Neither Cheney nor Scooter outed Plame. Armitage did, and he was not prosecuted. Why?
A more important question was why was she ever outed?

A more important question was why was she ever outed?

she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

Pathetic.
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she raised $88,000 of the 1 billion she needed to buy controlling interest in twitter, so that's something...she's a partisan hack( husband too) just like you

Your point
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Your point
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like so many leftist activists, "whistleblowers", protesters, etc... they are a couple of "how dare you criticize these fine people given what they've been forced to endure" hyper partisan hacks who preen to be above it all "I don't really adhere to a party" spies driving Jaguars ( or is it Jag-YOU-ar"?) types milking every media opportunity and penny out of the situation...oddly similar to what we are seeing today from the many of the "embedded" actors in Washington....Sean Penn was a proper choice

this is great...

When, in 1997, the CIA began to fear Plame had been given away - along with other covert overseas operatives - to the Russians by the double agent Aldrich Ames, she was brought back to Washington. There, at a reception given by the then Turkish ambassador, her eyes drifted across the room to meet those of retired US ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

He was 13 years older than her, successful and ruggedly handsome. For both, it was love at first sight.

Within weeks, an unusually nervous Plame felt she had something to say. The couple were in bed, making love, as Wilson would later recall. But her husband-to-be had to know: she was an undercover agent."

Pathetic.
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I'll take that as a compliment...:wave: