http://video.foxnews.com/v/5798917130001/?#sp=show-clips


when is enough a enough seriously

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5798917130001/?#sp=show-clips


when is enough a enough seriously

you'd think the moonbats would be in favor

you'd think the moonbats would be in favor

They’re just upset because they didn’t think of it first

All the Trekkies are conflicted now
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Wasn’t th starship troopers part of space force ?
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Pioneering
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Pioneering
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Pushing and expanding the limits of scientific knowledge, is of no value. At least, not unless a democrat thought of it first.

Far be it for anyone to break it down as a worthy consideration - ya know because Trump said it so it must be bad therefore we are required to near jerk to the opposite viewpoint.

Well, a couple weeks ago a pretty smart guy when it comes to NatSec stuff & the re-emerging Great Power Competition penned this.

So before all y'all trash, read:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/united-states-needs-space-force-national-security-interest/

They penned this also
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/trump-kim-negotiations-10-rules-dealing-dictators/
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Pushing and expanding the limits of scientific knowledge, is of no value. At least, not unless a democrat thought of it first.

The republican party doesn't believe in scientific knowledge you of all people should know that.. and seems in accounting as well... hows he going to pay for it ???

Far be it for anyone to break it down as a worthy consideration - ya know because Trump said it so it must be bad therefore we are required to near jerk to the opposite viewpoint.

Well, a couple weeks ago a pretty smart guy when it comes to NatSec stuff & the re-emerging Great Power Competition penned this.

So before all y'all trash, read:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/united-states-needs-space-force-national-security-interest/


very fishy wouldn't you say

They penned this also
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/trump-kim-negotiations-10-rules-dealing-dictators/
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About as dumb a false equivalency as you've stated, IMO. Shall we go through the instances where NYT is right or wrong? The Atlantic?

Jerry Hendrix is a pretty smart policy wonk and a recognized expert. You probably would have been OK with it were it penned on Mother Jones, though. Right?

very fishy wouldn't you say

No. Please do tell us what you mean.

PS - I don't think a separate "Force" is the answer. But we do need to better factor in what peer/near peer competition is doing in space - as well as our role in that space.

The republican party doesn't believe in scientific knowledge you of all people should know that.. and seems in accounting as well... hows he going to pay for it ???

Who says we don’t like science? How about the science of what goes on in the womb, which side abandons science for ideology in that case?

We can pay for it by switching all public employees from stupid fat pensions to self funded 401ks like everyone else did over 20 years ago. There’s your accounting lesson.
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About as dumb a false equivalency as you've stated, IMO. Shall we go through the instances where NYT is right or wrong? The Atlantic?

Jerry Hendrix is a pretty smart policy wonk and a recognized expert. You probably would have been OK with it were it penned on Mother Jones, though. Right?



No. Please do tell us what you mean.

TRUMP reads the story on the 8th and makes an announcement 18th or did he see it on fox and friends

PS - I don't think a separate "Force" is the answer. But we do need to better factor in what peer/near peer competition is doing in space - as well as our role in that space.

That is more my issue with the announcement ... we dont need another branch we have been developing space weapons for decades it's not new

I went down to the recruiter to sign up, but saw Spence in line ahead of me and decided maybe I will wait on joining the Space Force.

On a more serious note, I think, the more crazy stuff he throws out there the more the media and left don't see what he is actually doing. He's like a magician drawing attention away from his hand that holds the coin. If the democrats don't keep a careful eye on what is happening before they know it they will see a new immigration policy sneak by them, while they are laughing at the Space Force.

Who says we don’t like science? How about the science of what goes on in the womb, which side abandons science for ideology in that case?

We can pay for it by switching all public employees from stupid fat pensions to self funded 401ks like everyone else did over 20 years ago. There’s your accounting lesson.
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It always about abortion but once their born your tune changes

You sound like a socialist wanting to take bread off another's table because you don't have what they have....

I went down to the recruiter to sign up, but saw Spence in line ahead of me and decided maybe I will wait on joining the Space Force.

On a more serious note, I think, the more crazy stuff he throws out there the more the media and left don't see what he is actually doing. He's like a magician drawing attention away from his hand that holds the coin. If the democrats don't keep a careful eye on what is happening before they know it they will see a new immigration policy sneak by them, while they are laughing at the Space Force.

It's scary that you don't have an issue with the POTUS acting in such a manner

It always about abortion but once their born your tune changes

You sound like a socialist wanting to take bread off another's table because you don't have what they have....

You brought up science. Abortion is an issue where the left ignores science. And anytime arithmetic has to do with pensions.

No friend, I don’t want what’s yours. You are the one who wants, and expects, me to fund my retirement as well as yours. If you want a fat pension you can save up and buy one, why does the public have to buy it for you? It’s the public unions who are entitled to what I have. Not vice versa.
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You brought up science. Abortion is an issue where the left ignores science.
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I think you are confusing science and religion. You are a messed up person. Every statement you make is " the left... The left..." There are plenty of people on the left who have intelligent, well thought out views about abortion laws. Not everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
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About as dumb a false equivalency as you've stated, IMO. Shall we go through the instances where NYT is right or wrong? The Atlantic?

Jerry Hendrix is a pretty smart policy wonk and a recognized expert. You probably would have been OK with it were it penned on Mother Jones, though. Right?
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No, actually I thought they were correct on both counts.
My father worked in aerospace as. An engineer for most of his working life for ARMA, Northrup and Simmons. All the stuff to the moon and beyond.
It would be good to see that pursuit of knowledge again.
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You brought up science. Abortion is an issue where the left ignores science. And anytime arithmetic has to do with pensions.

No friend, I don’t want what’s yours. You are the one who wants, and expects, me to fund my retirement as well as yours. If you want a fat pension you can save up and buy one, why does the public have to buy it for you? It’s the public unions who are entitled to what I have. Not vice versa.
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your just another angry guy.. I pay into my own retirement I get paid to do a Job that you decided you didn't want ... Corporate America and the private sector played you and are still Screwing hard working Americans like yourself .. but its easier to blame the person to your left and the right of you than the hand that feds you ...

seems the states with those you despise with the most public employees per capita are Majority Red

http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/gov-states-with-most-government-workers-are-more-conservative-analysis.html


So you think space force is a great Idea

So you think space force is a great Idea

yup...

I think you are confusing science and religion. You are a messed up person. Every statement you make is " the left... The left..." There are plenty of people on the left who have intelligent, well thought out views about abortion laws. Not everyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
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So it’s ok for wdmso to say that republicans don’t like science, but it’s “messed up” when I respond. Only the left gets to attack on party lines, I missed that announcement, but you have my deepest apologies. When you can’t make someone wrong, but you don’t have it in you to admit they have a point, you can always attack.
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your just another angry guy.. I pay into my own retirement I get paid to do a Job that you decided you didn't want ... Corporate America and the private sector played you and are still Screwing hard working Americans like yourself .. but its easier to blame the person to your left and the right of you than the hand that feds you ...

seems the states with those you despise with the most public employees per capita are Majority Red

http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/gov-states-with-most-government-workers-are-more-conservative-analysis.html


So you think space force is a great Idea

So you’re not necessarily angry when you say I don’t like science, but I’m angry when I show what a stupid statement that is. Got it.

Youvpay a portion of the cost of your pension, and you feel entitled to ask your neighbors to pay for the rest. Is that true, or is that false?

The private sector you endlessly slam, is where every cent of your compensation comes from. Every cent, comes from taxes confiscated from your neighbors. How can you be that ungrateful and unappreciative? I was a public schoolteacher in CT, and I always was aware of the debt I owed to people that worked in the private sector, and I also saw firsthand the contempt that many public servants have for the public they claim to serve.
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your just another angry guy.. I pay into my own retirement I get paid to do a Job that you decided you didn't want ... Corporate America and the private sector played you and are still Screwing hard working Americans like yourself .. but its easier to blame the person to your left and the right of you than the hand that feds you ...

seems the states with those you despise with the most public employees per capita are Majority Red

http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/gov-states-with-most-government-workers-are-more-conservative-analysis.html


So you think space force is a great Idea

Except a Space Force is federal - which was left out of the link / stats you provided

So the Red states are more likely to have more Public Sector Employees.

Now let's do the states that pay most on average. Bet you won't guess which ones they are. I wonder of the red states can afford more public employees?


https://thestacker.com/stories/354/best-and-worst-paying-states-public-employees#51

Did anyone actually watch Trump’s announcement?
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The problem is that once again Trump doesn't understand that he does not rule.
He cannot create anything, he needs Congress to do it.
I will admit that I don't understand why we need NASA, Air Force and Space Force as separate entities. They seem to be redundant and on the development and operations sides the personnel would be very similar.

So it’s ok for wdmso to say that republicans don’t like science, but it’s “messed up” when I respond. Only the left gets to attack on party lines, I missed that announcement, but you have my deepest apologies. When you can’t make someone wrong, but you don’t have it in you to admit they have a point, you can always attack.
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You generally don't have a point when you think you do is the point. You throw out nonsense as if it is fact. If it wasn't you, I might suggest you have 20-30 children. Think of all those potential lives you are preventing by limiting your procreation.

So you’re not necessarily angry when you say I don’t like science, but I’m angry when I show what a stupid statement that is. Got it.

Youvpay a portion of the cost of your pension, and you feel entitled to ask your neighbors to pay for the rest. Is that true, or is that false?

The private sector you endlessly slam, is where every cent of your compensation comes from. Every cent, comes from taxes confiscated from your neighbors. How can you be that ungrateful and unappreciative? I was a public schoolteacher in CT, and I always was aware of the debt I owed to people that worked in the private sector, and I also saw firsthand the contempt that many public servants have for the public they claim to serve.
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You dont understand the private sector does a job they have no obligation to thank people like you who for what ever reason think they should get a pat on the back for paying the same taxes they do the arrogance is stunning

Except a Space Force is federal - which was left out of the link / stats you provided

So the Red states are more likely to have more Public Sector Employees.

Now let's do the states that pay most on average. Bet you won't guess which ones they are. I wonder of the red states can afford more public employees?


https://thestacker.com/stories/354/best-and-worst-paying-states-public-employees#51


I guess cost of living isn't a consideration in your eyes

You dont understand the private sector does a job they have no obligation to thank people like you who for what ever reason think they should get a pat on the back for paying the same taxes they do the arrogance is stunning

Public sector employees derive wealth from taxes (yes you pay taxes too, but you are on the receiving end as well). Private sector employees see a loss of wealth from taxes. Is that going too fast?

Not sure what you are saying, but I have worked both in the private sector and the public sector, and I always felt grateful to those who funded my income.

Public sector employees have a deeper obligation to their customers (the pubic), because unlike the private sector (where you must make customers freely choose to give you their money), in the public sector, you forcibly confiscate money from your customers (neighbors) with the force of law. You therefore have a higher duty not to rip people off. But your union does exactly that, by demanding your neighbors pay a good chunk of the price tag for benefits that they will never, ever see. You feel entitled to demand that your neighbors pay for benefit t hat they will never see. I don't get where that sense of entitlement comes from.

You generally don't have a point when you think you do is the point. You throw out nonsense as if it is fact. If it wasn't you, I might suggest you have 20-30 children. Think of all those potential lives you are preventing by limiting your procreation.

"You generally don't have a point "

Die-hard liberals often fail to see points that are based on common sense, logic, and a desire for everyone (not just me) to thrive.

"You throw out nonsense "

Sometimes I do, unfortunately. Not usually.

"I might suggest you have 20-30 children"

Here in the People's Republic Of Konnecticut, thanks to liberalism, my 3 are about all I can afford. I wish I could have 4 or 5.

"Think of all those potential lives you are preventing by limiting your procreation"

Based on what I see in my kids, it is indeed society's loss. we could use a lot more people like them.

"You generally don't have a point "

Die-hard liberals often fail to see points that are based on common sense, logic, and a desire for everyone (not just me) to thrive.

"You throw out nonsense "

Sometimes I do, unfortunately. Not usually.

"I might suggest you have 20-30 children"

Here in the People's Republic Of Konnecticut, thanks to liberalism, my 3 are about all I can afford. I wish I could have 4 or 5.

"Think of all those potential lives you are preventing by limiting your procreation"

Based on what I see in my kids, it is indeed society's loss. we could use a lot more people like them.
You should consider moving. It is really sad. Think of all those lives. You could also get another job or save by not paying for charter trips. Cut back a little, you know? Do it for those potential lives that are lost every year. If this is important to you, do whatever you can to make it happen.

Also, I have no doubt your kids are wonderful. My kids are also greatly influenced by their mother and many kids turn out well despite us ;)
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You should consider moving. It is really sad. Think of all those lives. You could also get another job or save by not paying for charter trips. Cut back a little, you know? Do it for those potential lives that are lost every year. If this is important to you, do whatever you can to make it happen.

Also, I have no doubt your kids are wonderful. My kids are also greatly influenced by their mother and many kids turn out well despite us ;)
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"You should consider moving"

I have considered it, thanks...my elderly parents live a mile away, my wife who stays at home helps them with all manner of chores...they aren't moving, and they'd be cosmically screwed if I left. I could do more for my kids if we moved, but I can't do anything for my parents if we moved.

"It is really sad"

What's sad is that thanks to the exact policies you support, I am in the awesome position of getting to choose between my responsibility to my children, and my responsibility to my parents, to whom I owe everything. It's a great spot to be in. And all thanks to liberal economics.

"many kids turn out well despite us ;)"

Certainly true in my case!

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I did the math, I am good at this math. I could move to NH, and pocket more than $900 a month, every month, for the rest of my career, 20 years. And that's based on today. In the near future, CT will become more expensive relative to NH, as we raise taxes again and again.

There's no way I could cut back enough to generate that kind of scratch every month. The penalty we pay to live in CT, is enormous. With very little to show for it.

Spacewaffen special wooops.
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Beam me up Scotty
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I did the math, I am good at this math.

Ok, Donald :)
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Ok, Donald :)
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Come on, I'm not that much of an egomaniac.

NH has no state income tax. You don't need to be Stephen Hawking to figure out how that helps you, you go to your latest tax return and see what you paid in state income taxes.

I know this is redundant... But it isn't that simple. Depends on lots of other things, like your occupation. If you are a plumber in CT, average salary is 61000 a year and in New Hampshire it is 53000 a year. Your house costs more here, but in the end you have a house that is worth more. There are too many variables to have a valid conclusion based on one single variable. Based on your math skills, you already know that ;)
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I know this is redundant... But it isn't that simple. Depends on lots of other things, like your occupation. If you are a plumber in CT, average salary is 61000 a year and in New Hampshire it is 53000 a year. Your house costs more here, but in the end you have a house that is worth more. There are too many variables to have a valid conclusion based on one single variable. Based on your math skills, you already know that ;)
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Of course the exact savings depends on many things. I did the research. Like many people, thanks to telecommuting, I can keep my same job at the same exact salary, and move to NH. I know what I paid in state income tax, I have a really good estimate what I paid in state sales tax, I can look at comparable houses to see what the change in property tax would be. I can, and did, also talk to people I know who moved from CT to NH, and every single one of them told me they saved more than expected, because they didn't know they'd also save on car tax, gas tax, electricity tax, etc.

There is some speculation involved. All of the math, and every speck of common sense, suggests that massive tax hikes are coming in CT, which will stifle real estate appreciation.

And the University of NH is currently $7,000 a year less for in state residents, than UCONN is. For my 3 kids, that's another 84k in my pocket. And that ignores that UCONN just announced tuition will increase 31% in the next 4 years.

I looked at way more than one variable,

I'm not wrong, no chance. I can't tell you exactly what I'd save in 20 years, but I know it would be more than 200k. In my pocket.

The problem is that once again Trump doesn't understand that he does not rule.
He cannot create anything, he needs Congress to do it.

He can create many things, he can executive order many things. If you want them to stick then you need to go through Congress. As we see with a lot of O's great achievements with the Pen, the current administration can undo them. If it is good for the country, have Congress pass it into law.

I will admit that I don't understand why we need NASA, Air Force and Space Force as separate entities. They seem to be redundant and on the development and operations sides the personnel would be very similar.

NASA should keep up with peaceful exploration, the military in space will need to break things, or prevent other nation states from breaking ours. There was once a great stride in non-militarization of space, we are behind. It will cost us big if there is a peer level conflict. It ain't pretty but it is fact. The US, for all our many faulkts and warts, are FAR better on the world stage than RUS/PRC

I guess cost of living isn't a consideration in your eyes

Very much so, and it is reflected in our taxes. You pay taxes? Funny how all those backwards, redneck places can provide good services for their citizens, and we pay through the nose and have billions in unfunded liabilities.

I guess your state & towns living within their means isn't a consideration in your eyes.

I'm not wrong, no chance. I can't tell you exactly what I'd save in 20 years, but I know it would be more than 200k. In my pocket.
Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/#previous-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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By the way Jim, a plumber or most other workers who aren't telecommuting are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes, more retirement savings, etc.

Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/#previous-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )

He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )
His math there is even more astounding. UConn tuition and fees is $28604, UNH is $28562. Not sure that adds up to 84k, but...
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NASA should keep up with peaceful exploration, the military in space will need to break things, or prevent other nation states from breaking ours. There was once a great stride in non-militarization of space, we are behind. It will cost us big if there is a peer level conflict. It ain't pretty but it is fact. The US, for all our many faulkts and warts, are FAR better on the world stage than RUS/PRC
You do realize this whole thing is just another diversion from all the terrible Trump news he's getting pummeled with right?

You do realize this whole thing is just another diversion from all the terrible Trump news he's getting pummeled with right?

6/19/2018

"Popularity: President Trump can't get a break from negative press coverage, but somehow his approval rating continues to edge upward. In fact, it's now tied with where the "extremely popular" President Obama was at this point in his first term.

The latest Gallup poll puts Trump's job approval at 45%. That's the highest it's been since he took office, and it's up from 37% at the start of the year. Although you'd barely know it from the press Trump gets, his approval number has been on a slow but relatively steady rise all year.

Not only that, but Trump's approval in this poll is now equal to Obama's at the same point in Obama's presidency. Gallup had Obama at 45% approval by late June 2010.

The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term."

:lama:

6/19/2018


The difference is that while Trump's approval has been climbing, Obama's was dropping steadily over the course of his first term."

:lama:

Yeah, cause Obama started at 69%. His low, was about Trumps high. He averaged almost 54, nearly 9 points higher than Trumps "highest of his presidency." I do like the comparison.

Yeah, cause Obama started at 69%. His low, was about Trumps high. He averaged almost 54, nearly 9 points higher than Trumps "highest of his presidency." I do like the comparison.

of course Obama benefitted from perpetual toe s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g propaganda from the media(and Spence) while Trump is perpetually beaten over the head....

Total tax burden CT is about 12.6%, nh, 7.9%. https://taxfoundation.org/publications/state-local-tax-burden-rankings/#previous-publications

You would save 4.7% per year, ignoring any differences in federal deductions. To save 200k over 20 years at 4.7% means you would have an annual income over those 20 years of $212,766. You are doing very well. You can afford another kid or two. Unless your math is wrong, but no chance of that.
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By the way Jim, a plumber or most other workers who aren't telecommuting are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes, more retirement savings, etc.

You quoted average percentages. I looked at the exact percentages that apply in my individual case (property taxes, for example, vary widely by town). Which is more pertinent, the average, or what actually applies to me?

Also, thanks to liberalism, CT I sfacing projected deficits next year of $4 billion, with total unfunded debt of $75 billion (works out to exactly $25,000 for every human being in the state..so taxes will continue to go up)

And the capping of federal deductions for state/local taxes. also makes NH more attractive.

I'm not wrong when I say there are far cheaper places to live, which offer a great quality o flife. You want to make it wrong, because you can't bring yourself to admit that conservative states have figured out how to offer a good quality of life with low taxes, and liberal states cannot pull that off. Huge numbers of New Englanders are moving to these states, especially the Carolinas, Florida, GA, TX. That is fact.

If your agenda cannot withstand the recognition of irrefutable, empirical evidence, you may want to re-think your agenda.

The CT state income tax is around 5% or so, sales tax is 6.5%. Imagine if you got back 5% of very dollar you made, and 6.5% of every dollar you spent, plus cheaper gas tax, electricity tax, car tax, cheaper public university. You deny that's a lot of money over a lifetime?

He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit.

Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference ; )

"He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit."

Correct. It would be more than $250k over 20 years, and that's based on today. CT will get more expensive relative to NH.

"Not sure 6 more weeks of winter are worth the difference"

There is that. We love to ski. I'd move to a town very close to Lake Sunapee, beautiful lake in the summer, great skiing in the winter. Top notch public schools.

His math there is even more astounding. UConn tuition and fees is $28604, UNH is $28562. Not sure that adds up to 84k, but...
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I match your UCONN number to the dollar. For UNH, I have 15,140 for in-state tuition & fees, 5,776 for a triple room, 7,220 for a double room. And UCONN is going up 31% in the next 4 years.

By the way Jim, a plumber or most other workers who aren't telecommuting are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes, more retirement savings, etc.

Plumbers cannot take their salary with them from CT to NH, that's for sure.

"are likely going to end up better off here in CT where salaries are higher. They will have more net income after taxes"

Not if the cost of living increase, more than offsets the salary increase.

Why are so many people moving to conservative states? Are they all too stupid to see that their net income is higher here in CT? Are they all masochists?

I match your UCONN number to the dollar. For UNH, I have 15,140 for in-state tuition & fees, 5,776 for a triple room, 7,220 for a double room. And UCONN is going up 31% in the next 4 years.
I know there is no chance of this, but your numbers are wrong. You don't have room AND board. After all tuition room and board and fees:

UNH next year Cost of Attendance $33,750
https://www.unh.edu/financialaid/costs

UCONN 2018-2019
Subtotal Direct Costs (Plus Waivable Fees) $31,812
http://admissions.uconn.edu/cost-aid/tuition

"He was including the 84k he would have saved having kids at UNH -v- UCONN which means he is down to 116k for the numbers you are working with - so the numbers drop a bit."

Correct. It would be more than $250k over 20 years, and that's based on today. CT will get more expensive relative to NH.

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Completely and totally wrong.

You quoted average percentages. I looked at the exact percentages that apply in my individual case (property taxes, for example, vary widely by town). Which is more pertinent, the average, or what actually applies to me?

I don't know where you live in CT, but you in general have been making stuff up based on how you feel, not real data. I really hope it isn't true that you do a job that involves numbers. Maybe you would save some money moving to New Hampshire, but your case is a very specific case of a persone who "telecomutes." 250K is an absolute bs lie unless you are in the million plus salary range and based on the number skills and analysis you put out here, there is no way that is the case. That is unless someone gave you a small loan of a million dollars to start a business back int he 1980's. New Hampshire has taxes. They don't have income tax so they make up for it with other taxes. They have to pay for stuff. Their state university is almost identical, if not higher than UCONN. Stop misinterpreting or making things up than pretending I am off on this.

Why are so many people moving to conservative states? Are they all too stupid to see that their net income is higher here in CT?

Likely not all of them.

of course Obama benefitted from perpetual toe s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g propaganda from the media(and Spence) while Trump is perpetually beaten over the head....

Right. No one watches fox news or uses the internet :rotf2:

Right. No one watches fox news or uses the internet :rotf2:

it's mostly liberals that watch FOX news so they can feign indignation over what may be said there...that's about it...Obama was the messiah...Trump is satan...they poll differently as you'd expect

I don't know where you live in CT, but you in general have been making stuff up based on how you feel, not real data. I really hope it isn't true that you do a job that involves numbers. Maybe you would save some money moving to New Hampshire, but your case is a very specific case of a persone who "telecomutes." 250K is an absolute bs lie unless you are in the million plus salary range and based on the number skills and analysis you put out here, there is no way that is the case. That is unless someone gave you a small loan of a million dollars to start a business back int he 1980's. New Hampshire has taxes. They don't have income tax so they make up for it with other taxes. They have to pay for stuff. Their state university is almost identical, if not higher than UCONN. Stop misinterpreting or making things up than pretending I am off on this.

"you in general have been making stuff up based on how you feel"

Not in the least. The averages you quoted are averages, they don't necessarily apply to any one individual. I know exactly what I pay in state income tax, and I have a great guess what we pay in sales tax.

I'm not making that up. You are desperately trying to make it un-true, because you can't accept the implications of the truth.

"your case is a very specific case of a persone who "telecomutes." "

Many white collar folks can telecommute these days. And while blue collar folks probably can't take their salary to SC, I'm not sue they can't take it to NH. I don't know.

"250K is an absolute bs lie unless you are in the million plus salary range "

I said 250k over 20 years. You showed that to get that (using your averages, which don't apply too me, my salary is above average), I wouldn't have to be anywhere near the million dollar range. And I'm not.

You keep going on and on about how here in CT, you'll have a house worth more. You have a crystal ball? You can see what real estate appreciation will be over the next 2 decades in CT and NH? There is a chance CT will completely collapse, as we are among the nation's leaders in population exodus every year. It's far from certain that CT real estate is a better investment than NH real estate.

"New Hampshire has taxes"

Of course they do. But it's a lot less, in total, than CT. It woul dbe hundreds of dollars a month for me. And more when the SALT deduction limits go into place, and more when my wife goes back to work, and more when UCONN's tuition goes up by 31% in the next 4 years. That is all fact. On top of that, I can make a great guess that CT will become more expensive relative to NH than it is today, because our debt will almost inevitably lead to massive tax hikes. When our tax base is shrinking, how else do you pay down $75 billion in debt, without tax hikes?

I know there is no chance of this, but your numbers are wrong. You don't have room AND board. After all tuition room and board and fees:

UNH next year Cost of Attendance $33,750
https://www.unh.edu/financialaid/costs

UCONN 2018-2019
Subtotal Direct Costs (Plus Waivable Fees) $31,812
http://admissions.uconn.edu/cost-aid/tuition

Your UNH estimate seems to include a few items (about 4k worth) that aren't in the UCONN estimate, and your UCONN estimate doesn't include this...

http://www.courant.com/education/hc-uconn-trustees-tuition-1215-20151216-story.html

And I was assuming a triple room at UNH, cheaper...but that won't get me to savings of 84k with those numbers, you're right...

You can't compare UC to UNH. According to US news and world, UC is far, far better. (prob. bs of more state aid )

U.S. News Ranking
UC #56 in National Universities
UNH#103 in National Universities

25th - 75 percentile of SAT scores
UC 1210 - 1420
UNH 1090-1280

ACT Comp 25th - 75th percentile scores
UC 26-31
UNH 22-27
Average alumni starting salary
UC $54,400
UNH $48,500

Fall 2016 acceptance rate
UC 49%
UNH 76%


Tuition and Fees
UC
$36,948 (out-of-state)
$14,880 (in-state)

UNH
$32,637 (out-of-state)
$18,067 (in-state


Room and board
UC $12,514 (2017-18)
UNH $11,266 (2017-18)


Average total indebtedness of 2016 graduating class
UC $28,147
UNH $38,799


Student-faculty ratio
UC 16:1
UNH 18:1

You can't compare UC to UNH. According to US news and world, UC is far, far better. (prob. bs of more state aid )

U.S. News Ranking
UC #56 in National Universities
UNH#103 in National Universities

25th - 75 percentile of SAT scores
UC 1210 - 1420
UNH 1090-1280

ACT Comp 25th - 75th percentile scores
UC 26-31
UNH 22-27
Average alumni starting salary
UC $54,400
UNH $48,500

Fall 2016 acceptance rate
UC 49%
UNH 76%


Tuition and Fees
UC
$36,948 (out-of-state)
$14,880 (in-state)

UNH
$32,637 (out-of-state)
$18,067 (in-state


Room and board
UC $12,514 (2017-18)
UNH $11,266 (2017-18)


Average total indebtedness of 2016 graduating class
UC $28,147
UNH $38,799


Student-faculty ratio
UC 16:1
UNH 18:1

I graduated from UCONN. It was just OK when I was there. It's much, much better now.

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I'm not making that up. You are desperately trying to make it un-true, because you can't accept the implications of the truth.


:laughs:

I graduated from UCONN. It was just OK when I was there. It's much, much better now.

And what is Stan Laurels reply?
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I said 250k over 20 years. You showed that to get that (using your averages, which don't apply too me, my salary is above average), I wouldn't have to be anywhere near the million dollar range. And I'm not.



You are right, your salary would only need to be about $270,000 a year to save you 250k over 20 years. Sorry for the hyperbole. :fishslap:

And what is Stan Laurels reply?
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I don't know, but I will guess...
Much better before he went there too? Was that a setup?:hs:

I don't know, but I will guess...
Much better before he went there too? Was that a setup?:hs:
I don’t know, Ollie
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Can’t afford healthcare but fak yeah!!!! Spaceships !!! Pew pew pew !!!!!!
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Can’t afford healthcare but fak yeah!!!! Spaceships !!! Pew pew pew !!!!!!
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We are 20 Effing Trillion in Debt. Mostly as a result of Boomers. Your kid and my kid are going to pick up that tab.

We are 20 Effing Trillion in Debt. Mostly as a result of Boomers. Your kid and my kid are going to pick up that tab.
Next year Trump is just going to declare bankruptcy and negotiate our debt. Mark my words. He's a master at this.

Next year Trump is just going to declare bankruptcy and negotiate our debt. Mark my words. He's a master at this.




At the rate we are going - someone will. And when that happens, SHTF.

Amazing stat...

25% of traceable low Earth orbit debris is from a single Chinese anti-satellite weapon test in 2007.

https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Space_Debris/About_space_debris

At the rate we are going - someone will. And when that happens, SHTF.

borrowing money to fund things you were supposed to fund but didn't...that's how it works



Chicago Considering Plan To Borrow $10 Billion To Fund Pension Liabilities
August 10, 2018 at 12:08 pm

Amazing stat...

25% of traceable low Earth orbit debris is from a single Chinese anti-satellite weapon test in 2007.

https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Space_Debris/About_space_debris


'Spose you don't remember us talking about this in 2007

'Spose you don't remember us talking about this in 2007
Nope
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'Spose you don't remember us talking about this in 2007

Nope
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he has an extremely selective memory.....

says "I don't recall"...more than Hillary