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Got Stripers

07-06-2018, 05:25 AM

Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys. Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither. His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches; all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions.

Trump's team may win a few games, but the boys, their parents and their opponents will hate them due to the way they play the game. If you feel the means justify the end, well I feel sorry for you, civility and respect are something sadly missing in this administration.

wdmso

07-06-2018, 07:47 AM

PaulS

07-06-2018, 08:01 AM

He'll prob. come back and say he and Putin discussed nukes and Europe will now be nuclear free. His fan boys will celebrate this great achievement.

detbuch

07-06-2018, 08:21 AM

Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys.

Earl Woods Sr., father of Tiger Woods. Bo Schembechler, legendary and beloved coach of winning era U. of Michigan football.

Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither. His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches; all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions.

Earl Woods Sr. Bo Schembechler.

Trump's team may win a few games, but the boys, their parents and their opponents will hate them due to the way they play the game. If you feel the means justify the end, well I feel sorry for you, civility and respect are something sadly missing in this administration.

Tiger Woods has been anything but hated. The winning U of M teams played the game as it was meant to be played and were mostly hated by their arch rival, Ohio State. And Tiger Woods loved his father and was grateful for his stern tutelage. All of Schembechler's players respected, even loved him.

And we're talking politics here. Civility, playing fair, in politics is an anomaly. The way the "game" is played in politics is dirty. If you consider the way Clinton and Obama and most any previous administration played the game was civil, then I think your notion of civility is a bit twisted--more like a big pretense and appearance of it (at times), while doing whatever it takes to win.

spence

07-06-2018, 10:22 AM

He'll prob. come back and say he and Putin discussed nukes and Europe will now be nuclear free. His fan boys will celebrate this great achievement.
Get rid of the nukes and Europe won't be a threat to anyone so they'll actually be safer. You probably don't know this but most nukes are just sitting around getting old and if they get bumped, just a little bump and they'll go off killing m-i-l-l-i-o-n-s of people. It's going to save a lot of money not having to maintain stockpiles either.

You have to have a pretty good brain to put all this together which is why nobody has thought of it until Trump.

Pete F.

07-06-2018, 11:35 AM

Tiger Woods has been anything but hated. The winning U of M teams played the game as it was meant to be played and were mostly hated by their arch rival, Ohio State. And Tiger Woods loved his father and was grateful for his stern tutelage. All of Schembechler's players respected, even loved him.

And we're talking politics here. Civility, playing fair, in politics is an anomaly. The way the "game" is played in politics is dirty. If you consider the way Clinton and Obama and most any previous administration played the game was civil, then I think your notion of civility is a bit twisted--more like a big pretense and appearance of it (at times), while doing whatever it takes to win.
Trump sounds a lot like Earl Woods, doesn't he
Woods served two combat tours during the Vietnam War, the first as an infantry officer, and the second with the elite United States Army Special Forces.[2]

After graduating from the Defense Information School and being promoted to lieutenant colonel, he was assigned as an instructor of Military Science & Tactics, (Army ROTC) at the City College of New York. He retired from active duty in 1974.[4]
Trump sounds a lot like Bo also
"If you were around him long enough, you’d hear him tell the story about his father, who was a firefighter. Bo’s favorite tale was about his dad not accepting a stolen copy of a civil service exam. Had Bo’s dad taken it, he would have eased on to a promotion. Alas, Bo’s dad rebuffed his friend’s offer only to see himself fail the exam and his friend pass after having cheated. Bo’s dad didn’t get the promotion. His buddy did. But, it didn’t matter to Bo’s pop. He knew he did the right thing. Young Bo observed all of this … and he never forgot the lesson."

Got Stripers

07-06-2018, 01:17 PM

PaulS

07-06-2018, 05:43 PM

President Trump just praised Putin in his latest rally while mocking an ailing Bush and his points of light. I guess he wants a bigger government instead of volunteerism. Where's the Republican to stand up and say "sir have you no decency"?
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Nebe

07-06-2018, 05:44 PM

Got Stripers

07-06-2018, 05:49 PM

And Trump is supposed to be polite, presidential, when ugly, slanderous depictions like this are constantly published by various fake news:

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=65403&d=1530803162

So when he takes a shot at Elizabeth Warren (she’s not the issue) and then makes fun of the me too movement, I suppose the media should ignore that? In a few short minutes in his latest rally he takes a shot at one of his peers (his MO), then fires a shot at our NATO allies, while saying Putin is just fine, all while making fun of the women rallying in the me too movement and the media and we should ignore that?

No shock that he just gave a Fox exec a post, even though he too was accused of inappropriate behavior; but DJT I’m sure is in good company with all those execs leaving or being let go for inappropriate behavior. Unfortunately we have nobody above him to give him his pink slip.

I guess you would agree with Trump when he says Kim is an honorable man, that he believes Putin never authorized any election meddling, that all Mexicans are rapists and gang members and the me too movement is a political ploy to get the women vote out to oust this clown. I’m also have no doubt you believe there is no global warming and the crazy weather the past few years is just a fluke.

I know you can’t stop posting to win every argument, but I’m not drinking the cool aid you and some others seem to be high on. Trump I’m certain pissed off many when cancelling all joint exercises with the South Koreans without getting anything other than what could be just another promise, can’t be any concerns with him meeting privately with Putin right🤮
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JohnR

07-07-2018, 07:27 AM

There are no real republicans left. Just fascists. :hihi:
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Even in jest, statements like this will help Trump get 4 more years

Jim in CT

07-07-2018, 09:24 AM

I dont have an issue with 2 super powers talking the issue is will we know what they Talked about

Agreed.
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spence

07-07-2018, 10:31 AM

Anyone else notice the group of 8 House Republicans who met in Russia last week only to be summarily ridiculed by state media? Must have been a productive session. I hear they did go the the ballet.
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PaulS

07-07-2018, 10:46 AM

I dont have an issue with 2 super powers talking the issue is will we know what they Talked about

I don't either but have you ever seen the video of all of the Republicans and Fox News folks ridiculing Obama for saying he would meet with North Korean leader without conditions. 180 degree turn from recent and shows the hypocrisy of the right.
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Sea Dangles

07-07-2018, 11:00 AM

I dont have an issue with 2 super powers talking the issue is will we know what they Talked about

Does the media typically record such meetings?
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wdmso

07-07-2018, 12:17 PM

Does the media typically record such meetings?
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like most meeting they usually put out the agenda and talking points prior to the meeting ,, unless they say executive privilege .. then who knows

as of today Trump “I’ll talk to [Putin] about everything,” Trump said on Friday

Trump on Friday implied the U.S. could discuss recognizing Russia’s annexation of Crimea during the summit in Helsinki, thats odd

wdmso

07-07-2018, 12:23 PM

Even in jest, statements like this will help Trump get 4 more years

in Reality the GOP calling most on the left socialist and communist is what got trump elected ... most supporters dont know what either mean and clearly dont know what a fascists looks like or what it means

The Dad Fisherman

07-07-2018, 01:24 PM

in Reality the GOP calling most on the left socialist and communist is what got trump elected ... most supporters dont know what either mean and clearly dont know what a fascists looks like or what it means

For those who need a visual representation

https://i.imgur.com/rynzTLn_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
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Rmarsh

07-07-2018, 01:39 PM

spence

07-07-2018, 01:50 PM

Does the media typically record such meetings?
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The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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Sea Dangles

07-07-2018, 09:26 PM

Well, I am sure these leaders value your opinion Jeff and will proceed accordingly.
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spence

07-08-2018, 07:43 AM

Well, I am sure these leaders value your opinion Jeff and will proceed accordingly.
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That’s my understanding of protocol.
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JohnR

07-08-2018, 09:41 AM

in Reality the GOP calling most on the left socialist and communist is what got trump elected ... most supporters dont know what either mean and clearly dont know what a fascists looks like or what it means

Wayne, there is no strong moderate Dem wing anymore. There are Progressives to Socialists, and a few remaining moderates . The more extreme of these people want to pull the Constitution apart and they are gaining influence. Yes, ugly Republicans are a better alternative to that.

For those who need a visual representation

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Classic

The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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This (mark it down, I am agreeing with Spence)

spence

07-08-2018, 11:29 AM

detbuch

07-09-2018, 12:32 AM

Trump sounds a lot like Earl Woods, doesn't he
Woods served two combat tours during the Vietnam War, the first as an infantry officer, and the second with the elite United States Army Special Forces.[2]

After graduating from the Defense Information School and being promoted to lieutenant colonel, he was assigned as an instructor of Military Science & Tactics, (Army ROTC) at the City College of New York. He retired from active duty in 1974.[4]

Actually, a biography of Tiger Woods by Benedict and Keteyian starts out with:
"This biography begins the only way it probably could have: with the car accident at Woods’s home on the day after Thanksgiving in 2009 that precipitated his steep fall from grace. He groggily ran over hedges and curbs and smashed into a fire hydrant after his wife, Elin, who had learned of his adultery, apparently smashed his S.U.V. windows with a golf club.
At the time, Elin didn’t know the half of it. Woods’s paramours (strippers, waitresses, neighbors) began popping up from behind every swizzle stick."

And:

"Woods’s parents, especially Earl Woods, Tiger’s father . . . raised a champion. They also raised a narcissistic loner who lacked basic decency. 'Even the most basic human civilities — a simple hello or thank you — routinely went missing from his vocabulary. A nod was too much to expect.' This book is littered with the bodies of those Woods cut out of his life without a thank you or goodbye — girlfriends, coaches, agents, caddies. If you stripped most of the golf out of this book, you might sometimes think you are reading the biography of a sociopath, a nonmurderous Tom Ripley or Patrick Bateman or Svidrigailov from 'Crime and Punishment.' Earl Woods, the worst kind of stage father, profited early and often from his son’s career. He was a liar and an adulterer. The later years of his life were particularly sordid. He hired multiple young women to attend to his needs. 'Pornography played steadily on the television,' the authors write. “Sex toys were stuffed in drawers, and sexual favors were performed at Earl’s request. ‘It was a house of horrors,’ recalled a former employee. ‘Every drawer. Every cabinet.’”

Trump sounds a lot like Bo also

Bobby Knight would be a better example.

detbuch

07-09-2018, 01:05 AM

Me thinks you have your woods mixed up with your irons:)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/masters/2017/04/03/tiger-woods-earl-kultida-influence-his-career/99964020/

Yes, his mother, according to Tiger, was the enforcer of whom he said "My mom’s still here, and I’m still deathly afraid of her. She’s a very tough, tough old lady, very demanding. She was the hand, she was the one, I love her so much, but she was tough."

But his father taught him the game. He was a taskmaster, and played psychological games with Tiger to make him mentally tough.

You said "Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys. Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither." No doubt Tiger's father, like your brutal soccer coach, lived vicariously through Tiger's success. And, contrary to your notion that "all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions," Tiger did become great and he loved to practice and he loved his father. Actually, a biography of Tiger Woods by Benedict and Keteyian show that Tiger and his father, in some ways, especially sexual, are more like the media's portrayal of Trump rather than being upright, honorable people

Bobby Knight would be a better example of the brutal coach you conjure up. He more closely lived up to your depiction of such a coach of whom you say "His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches." And yet he created winning teams and championships and was respected by most of his players.

There are many stories of children who were forced to practice an instrument against their will and who would rather do something else, but in the end, became highly successful, even great virtuosos and wound up being thankful for their parents "brutal" discipline. Some may not have eventually been thankful, but became wealthy, famous stars of their craft, a la, Michael Jackson. Various armed services and special forces go through tortuous training and come out better than they went in and respected their drill master.

But Trump doesn't actually seem to fit your brutal soccer coach mode.
His children love him and are loyal to him. They are not failures who resent the way he raised them. And many who know Trump say he is the opposite of your brutal soccer coach. And many like him and are loyal to him. And he rewards loyalty.

Of course, you probably don't believe any of that. I take the word of those who like him, are loyal to him, say he is congenial in person and not the psychopathic monster that various media portray him to be. I have no reason to think that they are lying. But you, apparently, do not believe them. And so, for you, he is that despicable being, and so you can add to the narrative and make him the "brutal coach" who is hated by his players and who does not create winners.

Sometimes, often, "brutal" coaching is not as brutal or rotten as you depict it and can actually achieve winners, champions, better people . . . success.

But, the context as Spence would call it, is different when comparing Trump with a brutal coach. Politics (not statesmanship) is a dirty game. In politics it is the nature of the game to play dirty. In politics, the dirtiest player does not necessarily finish last. Nor does the least dirtiest player necessarily finish first. But most all of them play dirty. And always have.

detbuch

07-09-2018, 02:00 AM

So when he takes a shot at Elizabeth Warren (she’s not the issue) and then makes fun of the me too movement, I suppose the media should ignore that? In a few short minutes in his latest rally he takes a shot at one of his peers (his MO), then fires a shot at our NATO allies, while saying Putin is just fine, all while making fun of the women rallying in the me too movement and the media and we should ignore that?

It cuts both ways. When Warren or the media poke at him he pokes back. Even doubles down. If he is to be criticized for poking, so should those who poke him. Oh, that's right, Trump lies and Warren and the media don't.

No shock that he just gave a Fox exec a post, even though he too was accused of inappropriate behavior; but DJT I’m sure is in good company with all those execs leaving or being let go for inappropriate behavior. Unfortunately we have nobody above him to give him his pink slip.

Ferreting out inappropriate behavior has reached new heights of late. It's a way to disrupt or tear down. It's politics. There has been so much of it exposed or reputed that I have been desensitized to it. All I intensely care about re Trump is hoping that he can nominate judges to replace at least 2 or 3 more. But I understand your concern. I just don't care.

I guess you would agree with Trump when he says Kim is an honorable man,

I don't care. What Trump says about Kim doesn't interest me. The whole NK thing has become an exercise in stupidity that should never have been allowed to happen. There should be no NK. The Truman administration gave NK to the Commies to "balance" our presence there. They got NK, we got SK. Dumb move. Wasn't necessary. Now we're supposed to worry about what Trump says re Kim? Were we shaking in our boots about what all the previous administrations said about NK's leaders? What the hell did they all do about it? Anyway, if Trump is a liar, what are we to make of what he says about Kim or anything else. I suppose it would be best if he referred to Kim the way the Dems and media refer to Trump. That would really get the negotiations ball rolling on a good path.

that he believes Putin never authorized any election meddling,

He believes what he believes and you believe what you believe. I don't know what the truth is. And I don't care to get in your way of believing what you want to believe.

that all Mexicans are rapists and gang members

He didn't say that. And if you believe that he did, then I have no confidence in anything you believe.

and the me too movement is a political ploy to get the women vote out to oust this clown. I’m also have no doubt you believe there is no global warming and the crazy weather the past few years is just a fluke.

I don't know how you can be so positive about that which you know nothing about. But I don't care what you believe. If your beliefs remove your doubts and make you feel better, who am I to take away your security blanket? Believe to your hearts content, and may you persist in the good health that your beliefs provide.

I know you can’t stop posting to win every argument,

I declare that you have won this argument . . . if it can be called an argument. I don't think anything said by you nor I here can be considered an actual argument, but I concede. You're the winner. I sincerely hope that makes you feel better, or believe better, but I actually don't care. The only reason I'm responding (well, the main reason) is that it's fun.

but I’m not drinking the cool aid you and some others seem to be high on. Trump I’m certain pissed off many when cancelling all joint exercises with the South Koreans without getting anything other than what could be just another promise, can’t be any concerns with him meeting privately with Putin right��
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I can understand why you wouldn't want to drink the aid if its temperature is not to your preference. But, though I understand it, I don't care.

Pete F.

07-09-2018, 07:45 AM

I can understand why you wouldn't want to drink the aid if its temperature is not to your preference. But, though I understand it, I don't care.
Koolaid is a historical reference to a 1978 incident in Jonestown, Guyana where 900 people, mostly members of a religious cult died after drinking Koolaid laced with cyanide and other drugs.

scottw

07-09-2018, 08:13 AM

Koolaid is a historical reference to a 1978 incident in Jonestown, Guyana where 900 people, mostly members of a religious cult died after drinking Koolaid laced with cyanide and other drugs.

detbuch...betcha didn't know that :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

wdmso

07-09-2018, 08:18 AM

Wayne, there is no strong moderate Dem wing anymore. There are Progressives to Socialists, and a few remaining moderates . The more extreme of these people want to pull the Constitution apart and they are gaining influence. Yes, ugly Republicans are a better alternative to that.

This is where I have issues with conservatives in general the dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country .. they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white win or lose us or them ... its encoded in their DNA their message

And they are willing to look the other way (trump) so they can get a Supreme court appointment . who will bring them back in time when America was Great reverse that pesky Roe V wade reverse equal protection of people from those not like them. roll back regulations even if we dont know what they do or why we have them its just sounds good.. hell they even bring back merry Christmas.. and god back in schools and all will be good again who are ugly Republicans are the ones who are going to do that ... ??? Devin Nunes and yet we have Trump being kinder to enemy's then he is to allies Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results and the GOP and supporters is in lock step .. just to get something for themselves

Sea Dangles

07-09-2018, 08:40 AM

It's all right, you will still have a safe space.
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scottw

07-09-2018, 09:33 AM

just trying something..."Bad Liberal Reading"

This is Devin Nunes supporters is in lock step god back in schools Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results just to get something for themselves hell they even bring back merry Christmas..and all will be good again and yet we have Trump being kinder so they can get a Supreme court appointment who are ugly Republicans and the GOP and dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country are the ones who are going to do that ..even if we dont know what they do its just sounds good...they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white(trump) who will bring them back in time from those not like them where I have issues ... its encoded in their DNA their message when America was Great they are willing to look the other way that pesky Roe V wade enemy's then he is to allies with conservatives in general reverse.... roll back.... reverse equal protection of people regulations why we have them??

The Dad Fisherman

07-09-2018, 09:46 AM

I agree with you up to this point

This is where I have issues

Everything after that is just one big Popsicle headache

with conservatives in general the dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country .. they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white win or lose us or them ... its encoded in their DNA their message

And they are willing to look the other way (trump) so they can get a Supreme court appointment . who will bring them back in time when America was Great reverse that pesky Roe V wade reverse equal protection of people from those not like them. roll back regulations even if we dont know what they do or why we have them its just sounds good.. hell they even bring back merry Christmas.. and god back in schools and all will be good again who are ugly Republicans are the ones who are going to do that ... ??? Devin Nunes and yet we have Trump being kinder to enemy's then he is to allies Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results and the GOP and supporters is in lock step .. just to get something for themselves

detbuch

07-09-2018, 10:17 AM

detbuch...betcha didn't know that :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

Yea, everybody knows what the colloquial phrase "drinking the Kool Aid" means. I was referring to Stripers' not "drinking the cool aid." But that could be a new meme like drinking something "superior, desirable, worthy of approval"--something really cool, hip, smart, chic, up to date. But why wouldn't someone of a Progressive bent drink that kind of aid?

spence

07-09-2018, 10:54 AM

I can understand why you wouldn't want to drink the aid if its temperature is not to your preference. But, though I understand it, I don't care.
You don't seem to care much. Parroting Melania's fascist fling or just having a bad day?

scottw

07-09-2018, 11:17 AM

You don't seem to care much.

1%

wdmso

07-09-2018, 11:22 AM

Funny only liberals can destroy the country ,,

you Guys speak as if republicans and conservatives never held office :rotflmao:

Pete F.

07-09-2018, 12:02 PM

Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas, hopefully the USA won't be one of them.
Trump Steaks
GoTrump.com
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice
The New Jersey Generals
Tour de Trump
Trump on the Ocean
The Trump Network
Trumped!
Trump New Media
Trump's balanced budget

scottw

07-09-2018, 12:15 PM

Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas

yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?

Pete F.

07-09-2018, 12:19 PM

yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?
I didn't say it was a successful venture

detbuch

07-09-2018, 05:20 PM

1%

A bit high . . . but close.

detbuch

07-09-2018, 05:23 PM

You don't seem to care much. Parroting Melania's fascist fling or just having a bad day?

Is that a native American thing, being care free is having a bad day?

spence

07-09-2018, 06:58 PM

Is that a native American thing, being care free is having a bad day?
I was under the misken impression that you cared. I guess it’s all about a Justin or two, nothing else really matters.
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detbuch

07-09-2018, 07:24 PM

I was under the misken impression that you cared. I guess it’s all about a Justin or two, nothing else really matters.
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I was under the impression that context was of the utmost importance to you. I didn't care about specific things that Got Stripers brought up. And I said the only thing I intensely cared about re Trump is hoping that he had the chance to nominate at least 2 or 3 SCOTUS Judges.

There are a lot of things in my life that I care about more than any of the above, especially more than concerns about what leftists think or believe about Trump.

Got Stripers

07-09-2018, 08:05 PM

I was under the impression that context was of the utmost importance to you. I didn't care about specific things that Got Stripers brought up. And I said the only thing I intensely cared about re Trump is hoping that he had the chance to nominate at least 2 or 3 SCOTUS Judges.

There are a lot of things in my life that I care about more than any of the above, especially more than concerns about what leftists think or believe about Trump.

It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again I see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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spence

07-09-2018, 08:08 PM

It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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Word.
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detbuch

07-09-2018, 08:59 PM

It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again I see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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Discussing the end game would be interesting to me. The rest, personal opinion re how Trump is different or embarrassing, not so much.

RIROCKHOUND

07-10-2018, 07:23 AM

The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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That is concerning about this one.
Not even a stenographer to record the meeting for US records...

Nebe

07-10-2018, 07:24 AM

Putin is coming to scold his bitch
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Sea Dangles

07-10-2018, 07:53 AM

The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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Without a translator there could be a communication glitch.
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Pete F.

07-10-2018, 07:58 AM

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Got Stripers

07-10-2018, 08:06 AM

Got Stripers

07-13-2018, 02:16 PM

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

spence

07-13-2018, 04:28 PM

Got Stripers

07-13-2018, 04:57 PM

IMHO the correct statement is to cancel the meeting, but the bromance is too far down the road.
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spence

07-13-2018, 05:09 PM

Mueller knows everything. This is going to get interesting very soon.

Nebe

07-13-2018, 05:28 PM

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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spence

07-13-2018, 05:35 PM

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

Nebe

07-13-2018, 06:27 PM

The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

For what? Trump to th boot and Pence to take the wheel and steer us to the rapture and gay conversion therapy? Pass.....
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scottw

07-13-2018, 06:34 PM

The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

RIROCKHOUND

07-13-2018, 08:01 PM

you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

That’s some nice projection there Scott.
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The Dad Fisherman

07-13-2018, 08:31 PM

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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Nebe

07-13-2018, 09:02 PM

Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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I call it as I see it.
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Sea Dangles

07-13-2018, 09:26 PM

It's become that way for a lot of folks and it's too bad to be portrayed in such a way simply because you don't agree politically. Not the best advertising but obviously shows how wide the gap is, as much as I see things differently than Nebe I always appreciated his perspective. Talk about polarization and then make a statement that seems like it came from Donald himself.
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wdmso

07-14-2018, 06:48 AM

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump

BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..:btu:

and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
.
President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely > :cheers2:

Got Stripers

07-14-2018, 07:49 AM

Russian money, Russian election help, Russian love; who is the happy Racoon face😬
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JohnR

07-14-2018, 09:15 AM

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.

I call it as I see it.
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Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump

BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..:btu:

and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
.
President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely > :cheers2:

You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

PaulS

07-14-2018, 10:11 AM

wdmso

07-14-2018, 10:41 AM

Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.

Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )

. You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened

The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?

I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

JohnR

07-14-2018, 11:18 AM

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened

The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?

I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

Hahaha Wayne.

I am not a Trump supporter. I did not vote for him. I don't like his style, I do not like many of the things he says and does. I do believe some of the things he does are necessary and I believe that he is being unfairly treated by the left and the "Resistance".

I do think that if any R won the election than the left would be all up in a tizzy, maybe not this bad, but still some sort of Resistance #WeAreAllGonnaDieHandmaidensTale or something.

spence

07-14-2018, 12:04 PM

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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JohnR

07-14-2018, 12:24 PM

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

(PS - I would like to see Trump cancel the meeting, probably unexpected for a Trumpster like me :bl: )

spence

07-14-2018, 12:54 PM

Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??
With what we know I think so and wouldn’t be surprised if the true scope is even wider. As we’ve discussed Trump won by a very narrow margin.

Comey reopening the investigaton had a big impact also. The FBI really did a terrible job of rigging the election.
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wdmso

07-14-2018, 01:25 PM

Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans,

hacks into the Republican committee took place in the spring, at the same time emails from the Democratic National Committee were stolen by hackers thought to be connected to Russian

this is another area that smell fishy I have a hard time thinking the RNC was just better at cybersecurity then the DNC

Trump says Russians were unable to hack the Republican National Committee

But intel states Trumps campaign wasn't targeted ? lets call it odd

wdmso

07-14-2018, 01:57 PM

[QUOTE=JohnR;1146661]Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

I would say we have moved passed "enough to change the results?? "

not sure thats quantifiable,, they clearly didn't stuff ballot boxes

But if the Trump campaign actively sought Russian help in discrediting Clinton which seems to have happen...

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

That has always been the bigger issue and the GOP has brushed this aside as opposition research... but they see the steel dossier in a completely different light .. and think 2 FBI agents texts some how discredit the muller investigation... show some crazy desperation

Strzok’s The suggestion that I, in some dark chamber somewhere in the F.B.I., would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards, and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me. It simply couldn’t happen. And the proposition that this is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the F.B.I., deeply corrodes what the F.B.I. is in this society, the effectiveness of their mission, and it is deeply destructive.

scottw

07-14-2018, 02:04 PM

[QUOTE=JohnR;1146661]

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server.....

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?

scottw

07-14-2018, 02:05 PM

Pete F.

07-14-2018, 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=wdmso;1146665]

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?
European news didn’t see it as a joke
https://youtu.be/8EZFBB-MntE
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scottw

07-14-2018, 08:04 PM

[QUOTE=scottw;1146666]
European news didn’t see it as a joke
https://youtu.be/8EZFBB-MntE
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who cares what "european news" thinks about anything?

wdmso

07-15-2018, 07:37 AM

[QUOTE=wdmso;1146665]

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?

What makes you think it was a Joke ..... it appears they did release them after he asked....

If he was a comedian it would have been a good joke ....

wdmso

07-15-2018, 07:46 AM

Trump declared as "fake news" his criticism of May in an early Friday interview in The Sun, even though the tabloid released a recording of the session.

Whats he going to tell the American people after his meeting with Just him and Putin and 2 translators ... seeing he is so Truthful even with a full recording ..

Got Stripers

07-15-2018, 06:29 PM

This week is unreal, one in which even with 12 new indictments, our POTUS states the Russian witch hunt is hurting our relationship with Russia. Putin is I’m sure overly prepared for this meeting and our president prepares by playing golf. Our country is attacked by Russian hackers certainly at the direction of Putin and Trump instead of focusing on that, attacks our allies in NATO. Even if NATO needed to be held financially accountable, they our our foes and yet Russia is only to some extent our foe. It is hard for me to believe the Trump supporters can’t see the dangerous road we seem to be traveling down globally.
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spence

07-15-2018, 06:54 PM

PaulS

07-15-2018, 07:02 PM

Asked during the CBS interview whom he considered to be his biggest foe globally, Mr. Trump named the European Union, citing “what they do to us on trade.” He added: “Now you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe. Russia is a foe in certain respects. China is a foe economically, certainly a foe.”
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wdmso

07-16-2018, 06:45 AM

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!

2:05 AM - Jul 16, 2018

Talk about setting the table

Got Stripers

07-16-2018, 06:48 AM

Like your ten year old with cookie crumbs all over his face, melted chocolate chips on his finger tips, yet insisting over and over again he didn't take the last cookie.

Pete F.

07-16-2018, 07:02 AM

Like your ten year old with cookie crumbs all over his face, melted chocolate chips on his finger tips, yet insisting over and over again he didn't take the last cookie.
You missed him insisting his older brother did it.

spence

07-16-2018, 10:37 AM

Watching the Trump/Putin press conference now. This is an embarrassment to our country.

Nebe

07-16-2018, 10:39 AM

Watching the Trump/Putin press conference now. This is an embarrassment to our country.

Understatement.
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JohnR

07-16-2018, 12:00 PM

Have not seen it yet - will watch and review tonight. From what I am hearing, not good and unacceptable.

Best to start a new thread with specifics, post conference

spence

07-16-2018, 12:14 PM

Have not seen it yet - will watch and review tonight. From what I am hearing, not good and unacceptable.

Best to start a new thread with specifics, post conference
Only thing redeeming was the press did their job.

The Dad Fisherman

07-16-2018, 12:33 PM

Have not seen it yet - will watch and review tonight. From what I am hearing, not good and unacceptable.

Best to start a new thread with specifics, post conference

Didn't watch it, but read the transcript....only thing missing was a reach around

scottw

07-16-2018, 12:51 PM

Only thing redeeming was the press did their job.

and he got a soccer ball....:D

spence

07-16-2018, 12:56 PM

and he got a soccer ball....:D

Finally, if it were me, I’d check the soccer ball for listening devices and never allow it in the White House. - Lindsey Graham

scottw

07-16-2018, 01:09 PM

better than that stupid reset button ;)

PaulS

07-16-2018, 01:13 PM

Imagine the uproar if Obama ever said the things Trump did about the US vs Russia.

The Dad Fisherman

07-16-2018, 01:44 PM

Imagine the uproar if Obama ever said the things Trump did about the US vs Russia.

A) Give it time
B) There's been uproar

RIROCKHOUND

07-16-2018, 01:57 PM

Didn't watch it, but read the transcript....only thing missing was a reach around

Hard to do a reach around when he was on his knees already...
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Got Stripers

07-16-2018, 02:15 PM

Can you imagine the frustration in the intelligence community, when they have concrete evidence and proof of Russian meddling, yet even after it's all laid out for our POTUS and Putin to see with 12 new indictments; our president says he believes Putin's denial. It just blows my mind that Trump is either that stupid or something else (money, pee tapes, Putin envy) has him playing right into Putin's hand.

I hope Mueller has the goods on him, I really do. Much as I thought we could live with this clown for four years and hopefully someone would rise to the top and prove to be a worthy opposition candidate; I just can stand what this idiot is doing to our position on the global stage. Are you Trump supporters on board with this BS? Please tell me you aren't all drunk on the same cool aid this idiot is drinking.

Obama already let Russia gain far too much ground in Europe and in the Middle East and now was have a president willing to green light Putin on anything he wants to do. Crap, Trump will even tell Russia to continue it's cyber efforts if it helps his next campaign.

Unbelievable, I am so embarrassed for our country at this point, what an absolute idiot.

PaulS

07-16-2018, 02:16 PM

A few have made strong statements- McCain, Sasse, Flake

scottw

07-16-2018, 02:20 PM

A few have made strong statements- McCain, Sasse, Flake

the usual suspects....Hillary? :fury:

The Dad Fisherman

07-16-2018, 02:24 PM

Hard to do a reach around when he was on his knees already...
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:kewl::bshake:

scottw

07-16-2018, 02:24 PM

A) Give it time

problem is they've been screeching impeachment since before he was sworn in....lunatics crying wolf effect....gone so bat nutty it's just white noise at this point...not offering anything but outrage and indignation...wish I was in a car listening to NPR right now....by this time tomorrow the left will sound and appear worse than trump..again....

The Dad Fisherman

07-16-2018, 02:31 PM

problem is they've been screeching impeachment since before he was sworn in....lunatics crying wolf effect....gone so bat nutty it's just white noise at this point...not offering anything but outrage and indignation...wish I was in a car listening to NPR right now....by this time tomorrow the left will sound and appear worse than trump..again....

Oh I know, my Facebook newsfeed has already started to explode with my usual cast of characters.

I should have put their names in an envelope and done my impression of the Great Carnac

spence

07-16-2018, 03:59 PM

A few have made strong statements- McCain, Sasse, Flake
I've heard a lot more than that. This is an issue that transcends political parties. I've never heard of a US President trashing the USA standing side by side with an adversary on foreign soil like this ever happening...

Curious how anyone can explain this behavior other than being on a very short leash.

Jim, still winning?

scottw

07-16-2018, 04:06 PM

I've never heard of a US President trashing the USA

ummmm...Obama?

oh, that's right...when Obama did it, it was brilliant, courageous and forward thinking:D

spence

07-16-2018, 04:08 PM

ummmm...Obama?

oh, that's right...when Obama did it, it was brilliant, courageous and forward thinking:D
Obama never went anywhere close to this...to even suggest is beyond the pale, or just ignorant.

Got Stripers

07-16-2018, 04:13 PM

John McCain said all I’d need to type; spot on.
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spence

07-16-2018, 05:24 PM

Nebe

07-16-2018, 05:51 PM

I seriously think that Putin has something on trump and is blackmailing him. It’s the only scenario that makes sense.
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scottw

07-16-2018, 06:03 PM

Obama never went anywhere close to this...to even suggest is beyond the pale, or just ignorant.

Obama did it repeatedly

scottw

07-16-2018, 06:03 PM

I seriously think that Putin has something on trump and is blackmailing him. It’s the only scenario that makes sense.
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hookers

wdmso

07-16-2018, 06:04 PM

Trump and the Fable of the snake. A boy saw a rattle snake who convinced him he was different not like other snakes if the boy carried him to the valley .. He did as the snake asked .. once there the snake coiled and bit him. he was shocked and ask the snake why he had bitten him??

The snake said You knew what I was when you picked me up !! and slithered away

we all knew what Trump was on election day...

cant act surprised or outraged we are way past that

spence

07-16-2018, 06:08 PM

Obama did it repeatedly
I'd say you're just ignorant but that seems too easy.

scottw

07-16-2018, 06:49 PM

I'd say you're just ignorant but that seems too easy.

whatever soothes your hysteria...:love:

Sea Dangles

07-16-2018, 07:44 PM

Cuba,Iran,Syria....he did it over and over
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spence

07-16-2018, 08:29 PM

Cuba,Iran,Syria....he did it over and over
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You’re not dong this justice without more detail. I want to laugh louder...
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Pete F.

07-16-2018, 08:42 PM

Has he finally gone over the line with Fox
https://youtu.be/7rJ9LCHxi8o
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Sea Dangles

07-16-2018, 09:06 PM

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Pete F.

07-16-2018, 10:06 PM

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Давайте выпьем за успех нашего дела!
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JohnR

07-16-2018, 10:11 PM

This has generally been my big beef with Trump - and was long before the election. But we need hard proof. No amount of "Resistance" will change that.

I resent that the Dems of the last 20 years are only now getting tough on Russia and only because it hurts Trump.

There is a lot of gray, the NatSec folks did good work and some of them did sh!tty work. Some of them made bad decisions. I sure as hell hope we can come back from it. Higher ups from last admin effed this up as much as the current crew are doing - actually the current crew, the serious ones, are doing better. Just the HMFIC is the problem.

Grossly Negligent. :bsod:

Trump and the Fable of the snake. A boy saw a rattle snake who convinced him he was different not like other snakes if the boy carried him to the valley .. He did as the snake asked .. once there the snake coiled and bit him. he was shocked and ask the snake why he had bitten him??

The snake said You knew what I was when you picked me up !! and slithered away

we all knew what Trump was on election day...

cant act surprised or outraged we are way past that

And yet another example of ho hum. The Dems ran Hillary, a candidate so terrible, people voted for Trump in enough districts for her to lose.

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.

zimmy

07-17-2018, 12:11 AM

Obama sucks. He might be a better man the Trump but he had the opportunity to put this to bed back then and did not. He had the chance to put our Intel Services to fight this and he did squat.
I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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scottw

07-17-2018, 04:37 AM

scottw

07-17-2018, 04:45 AM

detbuch

07-17-2018, 05:02 AM

Pete F.

07-17-2018, 05:46 AM

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC :shocked:

Or Fox
https://youtu.be/7rJ9LCHxi8o
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The Dad Fisherman

07-17-2018, 05:58 AM

scottw

07-17-2018, 06:05 AM

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

Your candidate could not beat the Chump we saw today.

this would make a great tee shirt....

also

trump is more fun than waterboarding

PaulS

07-17-2018, 06:37 AM

There is no way Bama let's any meddling happen on his watch
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Spence asked you something - did you see it?

Got Stripers

07-17-2018, 06:49 AM

Who was President when all this hacking and election meddling was occurring?

I've heard his rationalization for not trying to put an end to it and it's a lame excuse, Obama had a duty to our country to stop the attacks regardless of the appearances. Like Trump, his base is ALWAYS looking backwards, blaming or rationalizing the actions of this clown, by comparing them to actions or inaction's of past administrations.

The base and vocal Trump supporters need to grow a pair and call a spade a spade. I think to catch the country and the man who ordered it red handed and to stand in front of the world not only say you believe Putin and Russia didn't hack, but to throw your intelligence community under the buss, is just wrong to say it mildly.

Trump is dangling on the ends of strings, being played by Putin, puppet and poodle.

The Dad Fisherman

07-17-2018, 06:54 AM

I've heard his rationalization for not trying to put an end to it and it's a lame excuse, Obama had a duty to our country to stop the attacks regardless of the appearances. Like Trump, his base is ALWAYS looking backwards, blaming or rationalizing the actions of this clown, by comparing them to actions or inaction's of past administrations.

The base and vocal Trump supporters need to grow a pair and call a spade a spade. I think to catch the country and the man who ordered it red handed and to stand in front of the world not only say you believe Putin and Russia didn't hack, but to throw your intelligence community under the buss, is just wrong to say it mildly.

Trump is dangling on the ends of strings, being played by Putin, puppet and poodle.

A) did you read what the comment was in response too.
B) I’m far removed from his “Base”. I didn’t vote for the man, or the woman for that matter.
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wdmso

07-17-2018, 07:12 AM

The Still better than Obama crowd ... Just shows how hate over rides reason and past presented Facts ..

I cant go to work and have an inmate hang it up and die then blame the other shift for not finding the rope...

But here and other places Trump can blame everyone else and the parrots repeat the message as Truth with out missing a beat

scottw

07-17-2018, 07:15 AM

The Still better than Obama crowd ...

actually...I think it's "still better than Hillary" crowd :laugha:

The Dad Fisherman

07-17-2018, 07:39 AM

actually...I think it's "still better than Hillary" crowd :laugha:

Some just can't seem to get that simple fact straight :hihi:

JohnR

07-17-2018, 07:41 AM

I met you long ago at a meet up at m and d's and respect you for what you have provided with the site, but you are dead wrong. Obama was always doing what he thought was best for the country. Same for Bush 1 and maybe even Reagan. Trump is treasonous and only does what he thinks is best for him. Anyone who still supports him can go to Guantanamo as a threat to the Homeland for the next decade or so as far as I am concerned. You say Obama's foreign policy was a disaster. This guy is legitimately the most dangerous thing to happen to our country in the 4 decades I have been alive.
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I've always been a fan of yours - other than your politics where we can generally disagree. I generally try not to hold people's politics against them as I do not think it is fair, nor is it just. Same with religion or any other important things because character is what counts.

I think Obama was a decent man, a good father, and a missed opportunity. If his politics were (a lot) more moderate I might have even been a fan. His politics were not and in many of his actions, he acted, ahem, stupidly.

He was President, and in charge from 2009-2017, during the Russian influence campaigns. His NatSec community were moving that info up the chain and he said to lay off. A dedicated and significant IC response was turned down. Remember he told Putty not to interfere. Sadly his lukewarm leading from behind did not inspire greatness nor instill fear into the Russian Mob Boss. If these bad things WRT to Trump happened and Obama knew about it (plus Clapper and Brennan) then there should be hell to pay.

So, yes, the Russian Campaign happened on his watch.

The dumpster fire of the Hillary server DOJ/FBI investigation happened on his watch. Leading from behind happened on his watch, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, happened on his watch. Not keeping China in check happened on his watch. Letting the Taliban know how long they had to wait us out was on his watch. The terrible Iran Nuclear Deal happened on his watch.

Letting a "regional power" like Russia dominate Foreign Policy in the Middle East, Europe, and here in the USA, happened on his watch. Horses and Bayonets and everything.

Bad things happened on his watch - we can debate how much was Obama's fault and how much would have occurred regardless, but he was the Captain of the ship.

So yes, Obama failed enough during is tenure to be a poor president IMO. No, he was not the worst ever as many would say nor was he the greatest President ever like his sycophants will FREQUENTLY chant. But if you want to send me to Gitmo because I am not being a sycophant for Obama, go ahead.

As I have stated many times, I had to chose between corrupted Hillary (who should have gone to jail for her server) and the marginally successful & terrible real estate magnate that probably has more negative ties to the Russian State Mob going back 20 years - and we still need PROOF from Mueller if he did something wrong and over a year in there is not (yet) proof.

Neither of these choices are ones I can live with so I wrote someone else in.

The 1980s called, they want their Leadership back.

Sea Dangles

07-17-2018, 08:21 AM

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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spence

07-17-2018, 09:05 AM

He was President, and in charge from 2009-2017, during the Russian influence campaigns. His NatSec community were moving that info up the chain and he said to lay off. A dedicated and significant IC response was turned down. Remember he told Putty not to interfere. Sadly his lukewarm leading from behind did not inspire greatness nor instill fear into the Russian Mob Boss. If these bad things WRT to Trump happened and Obama knew about it (plus Clapper and Brennan) then there should be hell to pay.
The significant election meddling wasn't even brought to Obama's attention until the summer of 2016. It's not like they have real-time visibility into everything that's going on and it's not like there was no response. Obama did choose to delay some of the response until after the election to not create an even bigger election issue. Neither option was ideal so they drew a moderate line. I don't have an issue with that.

Regardless, what's even the point? Much larger issue is we have a national security apparatus insisting Russia will do it again and a POTUS who still denies it ever occurred.

Sea Dangles

07-17-2018, 09:11 AM

Very misguided
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JohnR

07-17-2018, 09:53 AM

A) did you read what the comment was in response too.
B) I’m far removed from his “Base”. I didn’t vote for the man, or the woman for that matter.
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Dude - yer my Spirit Animal

:lama:

The significant election meddling wasn't even brought to Obama's attention until the summer of 2016. It's not like they have real-time visibility into everything that's going on and it's not like there was no response. Obama did choose to delay some of the response until after the election to not create an even bigger election issue. Neither option was ideal so they drew a moderate line. I don't have an issue with that.

Regardless, what's even the point? Much larger issue is we have a national security apparatus insisting Russia will do it again and a POTUS who still denies it ever occurred.

And it a problem with the previous administration for one reason, and a problem for the current administration in another.

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.

spence

07-17-2018, 10:05 AM

Gee - wish we had some warning on whom would be our number one geopolitical foe.
Yea, Obama took office and instructed the gov to cease all counter intelligence operations around Russia. It's a wonder how we even detected it in the first place. Good thing special agent McBiff wondered why that BLM meme kept on showing up in his facebook feed.

I think people have watched so many movies they think we have super powers, minority report kind of stuff. We're good yes, but you can't unhack something.

Pete F.

07-17-2018, 10:10 AM

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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spence

07-17-2018, 10:17 AM

Now Trump will slowly walk it back
Watch his tweets, he’s started already
Mr it’s all me
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The tragic irony is that Trump supporters say they like him because he's a tough guy and stands up for America. Yet in front of Putin he's a lapdog and betrays his own nation.

zimmy

07-17-2018, 11:03 AM

someone has been watching way too much MSNBC :shocked:

Haven't seen a TV in more than a week, luckily.
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zimmy

07-17-2018, 11:10 AM

Thanks John, nice response to a misguided attack.
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I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo ;). Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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spence

07-17-2018, 11:26 AM

I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions.
Most presidential rankings I've seen put Obama in the low teens, some even top ten.

Trump right now is in Harding territory.

JohnR

07-17-2018, 12:15 PM

I was trying to point out that I wasn't trying to attack him personally, but clearly didn't come across that way. I just think he is wrong when he says Obama sucks. Obama may not have done everything right, but his reasons for handling the Russia thing the way he did were best intentions. I also don't think John is supporting trump in this so no need for him to go to Guantanamo ;). Spring a guy who favors a Russian president with Soviet era behavior over the u.s. intelligence agencies is treasonous. If Obama or Hillary did this, there would be right wingers taking up arms in the street.
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You mean like Bernie? :eyes: :thanks: :laugha:

PS - I was not feeling so much a victim of attack. I do think Obama is not in the top 20, let alone Besty Evahhh. I gave my reasoning for this.

JohnR

07-17-2018, 12:21 PM

spence

07-17-2018, 12:42 PM

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.
Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

zimmy

07-17-2018, 12:56 PM

PS - calling this Treason and Impeachable and a modern day Pearl Harbor or 9/11 with a dash of Handmaiden's Tale is no different than many on the right calling for O to be impeached. A high bar must be met and it has not been.

If the IC or Mueller determines that Trump IS under Putin's thumb - AND CAN PROVE IT - than we have something we need to follow.

I've stated before I do not like how T gets all meek around VVP and this is one of my biggest concerns.
It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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JohnR

07-17-2018, 03:46 PM

Doesn't meet the standard for Treason but he certainly could pass the bar for impeachment. Indictments have been handed out and Trump is impeding prosecution of the law against his oath to defend the Constution. Clinton was impeached for far, far less.

No

It is a betrayal of the country. It gives aid and comfort to an enemy. It puts a foreign entity above the country. True, it is not to an enforceable standard. 9/11 was an outside entity attacking us and the country was united against it. This is the most powerful person in the world, with support of 30-40 percent of the country, aligning with a modern dictator over crimes against our democracy. It will be a full chapter in the history books in twenty years.
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And, no.

Actually you are correct, the people that write the history books
tend to be pretty left leaning.

We need real, irrefutable evidence of RUS smothering DJT. The bar must be high

JohnR

07-17-2018, 03:50 PM

PS

Most things you see now be VERY suspicious of - NOW is the time that both sides will be hammered by RUS meme engines and bots.

zimmy

07-17-2018, 03:54 PM

No

And, no.

Actually you are correct, the people that write the history books
tend to be pretty left leaning.

We need real, irrefutable evidence of RUS smothering DJT. The bar must be high

Pretty sure it is coming. Once we get the dirt from Flynn and Cohen, it will be crystal clear.
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spence

07-17-2018, 04:32 PM

PS

Most things you see now be VERY suspicious of - NOW is the time that both sides will be hammered by RUS meme engines and bots.
Do you think Mueller's team is being hypnotized by memes?

What's known already is pretty damning. Two credible threads of collusion (one proven) and it's looking like three separate lines of meddling with the social media campaign, DNC hack and now the NRA money scheme.

It's like the house is burning down and some are wondering if they smell smoke.

JohnR

07-17-2018, 05:00 PM

Pretty sure it is coming. Once we get the dirt from Flynn and Cohen, it will be crystal clear.
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Dunno - we'll see. Need something concrete.

Do you think Mueller's team is being hypnotized by memes?

What's known already is pretty damning. Two credible threads of collusion (one proven) and it's looking like three separate lines of meddling with the social media campaign, DNC hack and now the NRA money scheme.

It's like the house is burning down and some are wondering if they smell smoke.

Not at all. I want to see US IC chasing the foreign guys stirring the pot.

Two credible threads? Name one. RUS influence measures during the campaign is not something Mueller can crush Trump on. It is a big problem but you need proof Trump did it - brought RUS in or used RUS intel systems - irrefutable proof.

spence

07-17-2018, 05:06 PM

Two credible threads? Name one. RUS influence measures during the campaign is not something Mueller can crush Trump on. It is a big problem but you need proof Trump did it - irrefutable proof.
If you pin it on the campaign it's going to be nearly as damaging to Trump even if you don't have evidence he directed it. Might not result in instant impeachment but it's going to hurt bad. I can't believe he wasn't in the loop, not for a second.

Hell, Don Jr already admitted to collusion even if it wasn't successful. The new indictments draw an evidenced connection from the DNC hack to someone in frequent contact with sr campaign members. The circle is getting tighter...

detbuch

07-17-2018, 05:30 PM

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqDmTftW94&t=2692s

wdmso

07-17-2018, 05:53 PM

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqDmTftW94&t=2692s

In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[19][20][21] In the open letter, the group said:

[A]ccusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[20]

guess Russia never invade they did

Binney claims the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false, and that the DNC e-mails were leaked by an insider instead

On January 23, 2018, Binney made an appearance on the Infowars During the show, host Alex Jones announced that Binney had been able to provide him with the actual memo, and the purported leaked document was shown on air.[27] However, this was in fact a public document that had been available on the website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence since at least May 2017.

should we take him seriously no but some one has

spence

07-17-2018, 06:16 PM

Good god, they shot down a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing passenger aircraft.
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detbuch

07-17-2018, 06:55 PM

In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[19][20][21] In the open letter, the group said:

[A]ccusations of a major Russian "invasion" of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the "intelligence" seems to be of the same dubious, politically "fixed" kind used 12 years ago to "justify" the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[20]

guess Russia never invade they did

Binney claims the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election is false, and that the DNC e-mails were leaked by an insider instead

On January 23, 2018, Binney made an appearance on the Infowars During the show, host Alex Jones announced that Binney had been able to provide him with the actual memo, and the purported leaked document was shown on air.[27] However, this was in fact a public document that had been available on the website of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence since at least May 2017.

should we take him seriously no but some one has

Did you watch the video?

Pete F.

07-17-2018, 07:45 PM

Did you watch the video?

If it’s on video that makes it true
Next you’ll be saying the twin towers was fake
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Jim in CT

07-17-2018, 07:49 PM

a modern day pearl harbor. so not only trump hitler, he’s also the japanese military industrial complex. that’s some kind of super villain.
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detbuch

07-17-2018, 07:57 PM

If it’s on video that makes it true
Next you’ll be saying the twin towers was fake
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Did you watch the video?

Nebe

07-17-2018, 08:54 PM

detbuch

07-17-2018, 10:42 PM

The world is fixated on this outrageous circus event while the gop quietly plods on... systematicly taking apart everything that was put into place to protect us from pollution, Corperate greed, human rights, reproductive rights and public education. Wake up people

But her emails!!!!!
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What you call corporate greed will find ways to make profits off of products and systems that protect us from pollution. And all those other things as well. As long as we are able to protect and promote some form of free market, you won't have to worry about your pet rights disappearing. And free market competition will create constant innovation to make it cheaper and better.

On the other hand, if government bureaucratic geniuses regulate how, what, when, where and how much, in crony partnership with "greedy" corporations, costs will go up, innovation will go down, and we will need government assistance to pay for it all.

Got Stripers

07-18-2018, 07:09 AM

What you call corporate greed will find ways to make profits off of products and systems that protect us from pollution. And all those other things as well. As long as we are able to protect and promote some form of free market, you won't have to worry about your pet rights disappearing. And free market competition will create constant innovation to make it cheaper and better.

On the other hand, if government bureaucratic geniuses regulate how, what, when, where and how much, in crony partnership with "greedy" corporations, costs will go up, innovation will go down, and we will need government assistance to pay for it all.

Please explain to me what products the top 100 are producing that we are buying, other than gas, oil, coal? So if regulation on the top polluters is lightened and they can stop investing in technology to keep up with ever tightening regulations to stem global warming, why would then not just increase their bottom line instead of spending that money to reduce emissions?

While your view on the open market is valid, I personally believe corporate greed is sometimes more of a driving factor, than investing in making a better product for the consumer. I've seen it first hand and while the company I worked for was small potatoes, their profits were in their pockets well ahead of improvements for the people making those profits go up.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

JohnR

07-18-2018, 07:12 AM

JohnR, I respect your objectivity and knowledge of U.S. intel, what is your opinion of this:

That I don't have an hour to watch it ; )

At least not yet anyway

Jim in CT

07-18-2018, 07:32 AM

The world is fixated on this outrageous circus event while the gop quietly plods on... systematicly taking apart everything that was put into place to protect us from pollution, Corperate greed, human rights, reproductive rights and public education. Wake up people

But her emails!!!!!
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pollution- us led the world in decrease of carbon emissions last year.

corporate greed - has always existed, yet right now unemployment is very low, and take home pay for folks is up thanks to tax cuts.

human rights - are being trampled how, exactly?

reproductive rights - just say abortion, why do you have to use a sanitizing euphemism? if you are embarrassed to say it, why do you support it?

public education- we spend TONS on public education. the problem is we spend on teachers pensions, which does nothing to help kids. that and crappy parents. that’s trumps fault? or the gop?
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Got Stripers

07-18-2018, 07:54 AM

pollution- us led the world in decrease of carbon emissions last year.

Emissions were on the decline long before Trump took office and while I know global warming to Trump and many is just another hoax, it's a problem that this administration and the next half dozen must take seriously. Pulling out of treaties helping reduce emissions helps our future generations how?

corporate greed - has always existed, yet right now unemployment is very low, and take home pay for folks is up thanks to tax cuts.

Stay tuned. If you think Trump pulling the US back into onto Trump island is a good thing for the long term economy, well I hope your not willing to bet your 401K on it. America first may make a catchy campaign slogan, but we need our allies and trading partners to make not only our economy work, but the global economy and well being a well.

human rights - are being trampled how, exactly?

Probably better in a separate thread.

reproductive rights - just say abortion, why do you have to use a sanitizing euphemism? if you are embarrassed to say it, why do you support it?

All for choice and even if the next justice is confirmed, I can't see Row vs Wade being overturned. I've known two women date raped in their youth, choice allowed them to have a life and a college education.

public education- we spend TONS on public education. the problem is we spend on teachers pensions, which does nothing to help kids. that and crappy parents. that’s trumps fault? or the gop?
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Way to complicated to comment on here.

wdmso

07-18-2018, 08:35 AM

The world is fixated on this outrageous circus event while the gop quietly plods on... systematicly taking apart everything that was put into place to protect us from pollution, Corperate greed, human rights, reproductive rights and public education. Wake up people

But her emails!!!!!
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Dark Money Groups Get A Little Darker, Thanks To IRS

Until now, tax-exempt groups under Section 501(c) of the tax code have had to identify donors of $5,000 or more on their annual tax returns.

The IRS calls the move a "significant reform to protect personal information." Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said the change "will in no way limit transparency."

"Trump's Treasury Department made it easier for anonymous foreign donors to funnel dark [secret] money into nonprofits."

The new change is a small step in a conservative campaign to repeal disclosures and limits on advocacy money that doesn't go directly to candidates or political parties. Donor disclosure to the IRS "can easily be abused to suppress First Amendment rights," said David Keating, president of the anti-regulation Institute for Free Speech.

tearing down the system brick by brick

wdmso

07-18-2018, 08:58 AM

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!

5:53 AM - Jul 18, 2018
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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Some people HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin of Russia. They would rather go to war than see this. It’s called Trump Derangement Syndrome!

the below tweet is spot on

Trump lies.
He does lie.
He did lie.
He lied.
He had lied.
He has lied.
He has been lying.
He was lying.
He is lying.
He would lie.
He will lie.

Then he will lie about the lie.

Then he will lie about having lied about the lie denying the lie.

detbuch

07-18-2018, 09:29 AM

Trump lies.
He does lie.
He did lie.
He lied.
He had lied.
He has lied.
He has been lying.
He was lying.
He is lying.
He would lie.
He will lie.

Then he will lie about the lie.

Then he will lie about having lied about the lie denying the lie.

If you say so, it must be true.

wdmso

07-18-2018, 11:31 AM

If you say so, it must be true.

Not if i say so.. because he said so he lied and has lied and still lies I am sorry that those pesky facts keep showing up . keeping you on the defensive :kewl:

PaulS

07-18-2018, 11:34 AM

at the higher ends of intelligence

So said the stable genius.:tooth:

wdmso

07-18-2018, 11:40 AM

detbuch

07-19-2018, 12:15 AM

Please explain to me what products the top 100 are producing that we are buying, other than gas, oil, coal? So if regulation on the top polluters is lightened and they can stop investing in technology to keep up with ever tightening regulations to stem global warming, why would then not just increase their bottom line instead of spending that money to reduce emissions?

While your view on the open market is valid, I personally believe corporate greed is sometimes more of a driving factor, than investing in making a better product for the consumer. I've seen it first hand and while the company I worked for was small potatoes, their profits were in their pockets well ahead of improvements for the people making those profits go up.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

I am assuming that profit can be made in green energy. Perhaps I'm mistaken. If it can, what is stopping it?

JohnR

07-19-2018, 07:18 AM

Just in more fake news

Maria Butina Was In Contact With Russian Intelligence, Feds Say In New Documents

whats even more outrageous !!!

She was indicted on Tuesday by a grand jury

(these Americans on the jury must be deep state moles going along with this witch hunt ) how else can the right explain it ??

Good, if she is guilty I hope she is found guilty.

In 50 years the future Anderson Cooper will be claiming her innocence like good 'ole EthelR

I bet there are close to a thousand Chinese spies in the US. Stealing everything not nailed down, influencing politicians, corrupting others.

This is what adversary governments do

Sea Dangles

07-19-2018, 07:22 AM

Just as the USA does overseas.
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scottw

07-19-2018, 07:24 AM

Just as the USA does overseas.
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stop it...we never spy, hack or try to influence others

scottw

07-19-2018, 07:26 AM

maybe it's me...but the dems are acting more like they are concerned Muller doesn't have the goods than confident that he does...

Sea Dangles

07-19-2018, 07:50 AM

They are hoping, maybe praying for him to crash.
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JohnR

07-19-2018, 07:52 AM

Just as the USA does overseas.
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Not to the degree that RUS/PRC do. We rely more on technical listening means . Though we are not hacking en masse like the Russians or Chinese

wdmso

07-19-2018, 08:11 AM

Good, if she is guilty I hope she is found guilty.

In 50 years the future Anderson Cooper will be claiming her innocence like good 'ole EthelR

I bet there are close to a thousand Chinese spies in the US. Stealing everything not nailed down, influencing politicians, corrupting others.

This is what adversary governments do

She asked Donald Trump a question about Russian sanctions at a public event, met Donald Trump Jr. with Torshin at an NRA dinner, and reportedly bragged that she helped the Trump campaign communicate with Russia.

FreedomFest conference in Las Vegas in July 2015. Trump, in fact, called on her to ask a question. (chance? or staged ?)

Trump answered by talking about how “the whole world hates us” under Obama, and then said, “I know Putin, and I’ll tell you what, we get along with Putin.” He continued: “I don’t think you’d need the sanctions. I think that we would get along very, very well. I really believe that.”

Following Donald Trump's election in 2016, she and Torshin discussed their predictions for secretary of state, and whether that was good for "our people," ( casual talk between friends? the GOP has knitted a sweater over 2 FBI agents text messages ) who was Romney who got selected Tillerson whom Trump never met but who was given the medal of friendship by who else but Putin

This is what adversary governments do.. nice false equivalence.. you know as well as anyone else this is not just your run of the mill corporate espionage case not even close