The FBI believed Donald Trump's foreign policy aide Carter Page had "been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian government" during the 2016 election campaign, according to newly released documents.

Mr Page's relationships with Russian intelligence officials are highlighted in court applications which led to him being put under sur

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Trump again attacking the FBI and The DOJ shocking

Trump feels he is above the law and many of his supporters agree so sad for America we should start calling him Crooked Donald


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Congratulations to @JudicialWatch and @TomFitton on being successful in getting the Carter Page FISA documents. As usual they are ridiculously heavily redacted but confirm with little doubt that the Department of “Justice” and FBI misled the courts. Witch Hunt Rigged, a Scam!

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Looking more & more like the Trump Campaign for President was illegally being spied upon (surveillance) for the political gain of Crooked Hillary Clinton and the DNC. Ask her how that worked out - she did better with Crazy Bernie. Republicans must get tough now. An illegal Scam!

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saw a lot of coverage and posted a picture of one of their posters anti islam and i would suggest they were there for Tommy Robinson Trump just hitched a ride .. with another stand up guy


not sure what it has to do with the current topic

I guess we'll eventually find out about Page. So far no indictment or crime charged that he colluded with Russia to influence the election.

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Steve Bannon, contrary to what your article implies, is not alt-right. What is your definition of alt-right? Labels are easy ways to smear someone without having to thoroughly discuss his ideas. "Alt-right" has conveniently and wrongly been used to supposedly discredit most of the "conservatives" in the alternative media--even those who have disavowed any association with those who have started the alt-right movement and with those who consider themselves alt-right. Ridiculously, for example, Milo Yiannopoulos, a gay, Jew, married to a black man, is referred to as alt-right. He and the alt-right virulently disavow each other. The alt-right is a very small ineffective group whose values are used to discredit the larger and more effective advocates of "right wing" or "conservative" ideas.

The actual reason that Tommy Robinson was outside of the Court was not discussed by your article. Nor is it written about or discussed by mainstream media. Robinson has been, as have been several others, trying to bring attention to what, for years, has or had been going on in some English cities, a so-called "grooming" (a type of kidnapping girls, very harshly and violently treating thousands of young British girls to serve as sex toys by Muslims). The trial, finally a recognition by authorities, after years of what was going on with nothing being done about it, was still not being given the major attention that it deserved.

If that sort of thing had been going on in this country, there would be reporters all over the story and the trial. Free speech in Britain is a shadow of what it used to be.

saw a lot of coverage and posted a picture of one of their posters anti islam and i would suggest they were there for Tommy Robinson Trump just hitched a ride .. with another stand up guy


not sure what it has to do with the current topic

Your topic, for me, is your constant report of tweets that are supposed to make Trump look like a fool or like someone that is hated by our "allies." There is a lot of love for Trump in Europe that is not reported by our media, except occasionally as some fringe, kook, irrelevant and meaningless eruption.

Europe is having an "immigration" problem that is negatively impacting its established cultures, and which is increasingly being objected to by a large percentage of its citizens. That problem is centered around massive Islamic immigration.

And, as here, the mainstream Western European media, ignores the peoples concerns or accuses them of phobia. Eastern and part of Central Europe is rebuffing the forced EU immigration policy and bringing Merkel and her leadership to a brink of dissolution.

There has been the attempt to ignore the voices of dissent, pretending they didn't exist, confident that not giving it attention it would not be noticed and would go away, that all was well. Head-in-sand eventually backfires.

Your topic, for me, is your constant report of tweets that are supposed to make Trump look like a fool

Seems you dont understand who's Tweets I am posting they are Solely From Trump.. he's the only one responsible for why he looks like a fool ...

Europe is having an "immigration" problem that is negatively impacting its established cultures, That problem is centered around massive Islamic immigration.


WOW can you post a bigger Lie or you are not well informed with Facts... but you have a bag full of Fear on most topics ...

Germany/Population
82.67 million (2016) The number of people with an immigrant background in Germany 18.6 million in 2016, largely due to an increase in refugees,

Yep they are destroying German Culture over night and I guess for you Mexicans are killings our established cultures, her in the USA



found this interesting Mesut Ozil is widely viewed as one of the most talented players on the German national soccer team. But he says his days of playing for Germany, the country he was born in, are over.



Ozil said that in the eyes of his detractors, "I am German when we win, but I am an immigrant when we lose."

Europe is having an "immigration" problem that is negatively impacting its established cultures, and which is increasingly being objected to by a large percentage of its citizens.


Sounds like here with the settlers, the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Polish, Catholics of all types...
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Didn't Bannon when he was running it, say Breitbart was the platform for the Alt Right

Ridiculously, for example, Milo Yiannopoulos, a gay, Jew, married to a black man, is referred to as alt-right. He and the alt-right virulently disavow each other.
Seems like he made his name with inspiration from neo-nazi and other racist hate groups.

I feel bad for the guy actually. It seems like he really can't identify with who he is as a person so he takes it out on others.

I feel bad for the guy actually. He knows he is a huge piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& as a person so he takes it out on others.


Fixed it for you

found this interesting Mesut Ozil is widely viewed as one of the most talented players on the German national soccer team. But he says his days of playing for Germany, the country he was born in, are over.


Ozil said that in the eyes of his detractors, "I am German when we win, but I am an immigrant when we lose."


not sure what it has to do with the current topic

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Seems you dont understand who's Tweets I am posting they are Solely From Trump.. he's the only one responsible for why he looks like a fool ...



Wrong.

The thing is, you fixate on his foolish tweets (of which there are many), and you ignore his positive accomplishments. Have you ever posted whether or not your family is enjoying your tax cuts? Is your union happy that the national economy is growing, which means more tax dollars for the union members? What do you think of Apple paying 38 billion in federal income tax, thanks to tax incentives to bring foreign profits back to the US?

If we only learned about Trump form you, all we'd ever see, are the stupid tweets. And while it's fair to hold him accountable for those, it's also fair to give him credit where it's due. You don't do that. You ignore all the good., and only post the bad.

We are the sum total of all we do, not just the bad things we do. Do you agree with that, or not?

Seems you dont understand who's Tweets I am posting they are Solely From Trump.. he's the only one responsible for why he looks like a fool ...

Of course I knew that the tweets you posted were Trump's tweets. I said you constantly reported THOSE tweets which supposedly made him look foolish. Your selective reports had that intention.

Europe is having an "immigration" problem that is negatively impacting its established cultures, That problem is centered around massive Islamic immigration.


WOW can you post a bigger Lie or you are not well informed with Facts... but you have a bag full of Fear on most topics ...

It seems that you are the one filled with fear over what Trump does, says, is, will be, and what he will do to the country and the world. And I am well informed about the immigration problem in Europe. The EU is teetering on the edge of being broken up because of the immigration problem.

Germany/Population
82.67 million (2016) The number of people with an immigrant background in Germany 18.6 million in 2016, largely due to an increase in refugees,

Yep they are destroying German Culture over night and I guess for you Mexicans are killings our established cultures, her in the USA

Where do you get that crap?

found this interesting Mesut Ozil is widely viewed as one of the most talented players on the German national soccer team. But he says his days of playing for Germany, the country he was born in, are over.

Ozil said that in the eyes of his detractors, "I am German when we win, but I am an immigrant when we lose."

Nice little anecdote. It may be an outlying fallout from the immigration problem. Or it may just be fickle soccer fans. Like those who love their heroes when they win and call them unflattering names when they lose. But it is not a refutation of there being an immigration problem.

Sounds like here with the settlers, the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Polish, Catholics of all types...
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No. It's a lot different. Those immigrants did not "groom" thousands of young American girls in various cities to be sex toys for their perverted men. They did not create no go zones for the police. They did not create large areas that lived outside of the local or national law, nor did they ask for their cultural or religious laws to supersede national or local laws. Nor did they create large portions of cities or towns that breed terrorism. And they got no more than freedom and personal responsibility from the US. They did not get all the perks that the Europeans provide the immigrants/refugees at the expense of their own citizens.

Didn't Bannon when he was running it, say Breitbart was the platform for the Alt Right

Whether he did or not, whatever the context may have been in either case, he did not claim to be Alt Right himself. And he demonstrably is not. He is an economic nationalist, not a white nationalist. His nationalism embraces "Americans" regardless of their color or ethnicity.

Seems like he made his name with inspiration from neo-nazi and other racist hate groups.

This is one of your patented statements that sounds like it means something but is actually incoherent.

I feel bad for the guy actually. It seems like he really can't identify with who he is as a person so he takes it out on others.

This is all unverified nonsense. Neo-Nazis hate him and he hates them. And what race does he hate? He is married to a black man. He is not "inspired" by Nazis and racists. Where do you get this stuff?

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I feel bad for the guy actually. He knows he is a huge piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& as a person so he takes it out on others.

Fixed it for you

This is way beneath your usually measured and moderate posts. And what do you mean by "takes it out"?

Europe does have an immigration problem and it is causing a lot of people to press back on their leaders.

That said, it doesn't mean all or most immigrants are bad but there are a enough that are problems and there is a result.

To blanket blame immigrants is bad and to blanket absolve immigrants does nothing to improve things.

To blanket blame immigrants is bad and to blanket absolve immigrants does nothing to improve things.
You can't overlook the integration issues. First generation seem to be fine but the second might not like feel they fit in. I've talked to a lot of German cab drivers...done my research.

This is way beneath your usually measured and moderate posts. And what do you mean by "takes it out"?
For an openly gay man to speak so openly about how terrible being gay is doesn't pass a basic smell test. His alleged abuse could be a part of this. I think he's conflicted and this conflict is manifest in his critical nature of political correctness, GLBT issues etc... etc... etc...

For an openly gay man to speak so openly about how terrible being gay is doesn't pass a basic smell test. His alleged abuse could be a part of this.

You may be suffering from dysosmia disorder. Who would know better about the problems of being gay than a gay person?

I think he's conflicted and this conflict is manifest in his critical nature of political correctness, GLBT issues etc... etc... etc...

He is quite comfortable in his confliction. Confliction admitted, perceived, cognitively understood becomes extremely elucidatory. When confliction is manifestly regulated by one's cool, it becomes superlatively evaluative in estimating the critical nature of issues adherent to or relative to one's own condition. It tends to make one more expert on matters . . . not less . . . etc.

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No. It's a lot different. This first one falls right in with your belief that Mexicans are retarded and child molesters
Those immigrants did not "groom" thousands of young American girls in various cities to be sex toys for their perverted men. They did not create no go zones for the police.
Little Italy, Southie, Chinatown, Koreatown
They did not create large areas that lived outside of the local or national law, nor did they ask for their cultural or religious laws to supersede national or local laws.
They were definitely allowed to take care of their own problems Nor did they create large portions of cities or towns that breed terrorism. And they got no more than freedom and personal responsibility from the US. They did not get all the perks that the Europeans provide the immigrants/refugees at the expense of their own citizens.
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No. It's a lot different. This first one falls right in with your belief that Mexicans are retarded and child molesters

This falls right in with your penchant for fake news. I never said that I believe that Mexicans are retarded and are child molesters.

Those immigrants did not "groom" thousands of young American girls in various cities to be sex toys for their perverted men. They did not create no go zones for the police.

Little Italy, Southie, Chinatown, Koreatown

Police had their normal presence and patrols and were not restricted from going into those ennclaves or did not stay away out of fear either of being assaulted or fear of being called racists if they enforced the law, or for fear that their own government would somehow punish them for some act of discrimination, or because nothing would change if they did try to enforce the law. And those communities had nothing even remotely similar to the Muslim "grooming" gangs.

They did not create large areas that lived outside of the local or national law, nor did they ask for their cultural or religious laws to supersede national or local laws.

They were definitely allowed to take care of their own problems

That comes with being free. We have less of that freedom now. And less of an inclination to take care of our own problems. Many are now more inclined to have the government take care of their problems.


Nor did they create large portions of cities or towns that breed terrorism. And they got no more than freedom and personal responsibility from the US. They did not get all the perks that the Europeans provide the immigrants/refugees at
the expense of their own citizens.

Exactly.

No. It's a lot different. Those immigrants did not "groom" thousands of young American girls in various cities to be sex toys for their perverted men. They did not create no go zones for the police. They did not create large areas that lived outside of the local or national law, nor did they ask for their cultural or religious laws to supersede national or local laws. Nor did they create large portions of cities or towns that breed terrorism. And they got no more than freedom and personal responsibility from the US. They did not get all the perks that the Europeans provide the immigrants/refugees at the expense of their own citizens.

You probably need to read up on your history. There were all kinds of similar "justifications." The Italians were fascists, they made there own neighborhoods and didn't integrate socially or religiously. The Irish, besides being consider low class drunks, had the Dead Rabbits and similar groups that did create portions of towns that terrorized and bred terrorism. They created no-go zone for the police and became the police. In all the cases, bigotry and stereotype supersedes reality. That said, I am sure the Russians have provided you plenty of information, so you might know more than I do. Heck, I didn't even know of Hillary's pizza shop until last summer when an in-law informed me about it and told me I would also vote for trump if I read all the things she had read about Hillary :tm:.

You probably need to read up on your history. There were all kinds of similar "justifications." The Italians were fascists, they made there own neighborhoods and didn't integrate socially or religiously.

Did the police walk their beats? Did the fascists create grooming gangs that kidnapped thousands of young American girls for sex toys for Italians? Did they ask or demand that they be allowed to create fascist law that superseded US law? Were the fascist immigrants given social welfare perks? Did they have to pay their own way here? Were their girls killed if they associated with non-fascists?

The Irish, besides being consider low class drunks, had the Dead Rabbits and similar groups that did create portions of towns that terrorized and bred terrorism. They created no-go zone for the police and became the police.

Did the majority of Irish in those towns condone and support the hooligans? Was it part of being Irish, part of the Irish culture, part of Irish law, to create no go zones for non-Irish police, terrorize all who are not Irish, export that terrorism outside of their enclaves, demand that such Irish "code" supersede US and local law? Did they kill their daughters if they shamed them by intimately associating with non-Irish? Did they do anything similar in deed and scale such as kidnap thousands of non-Irish girls and "groom" them into being sex slaves? Were Irish immigrants given the kinds of perks to attract them coming here as is given to the Muslim immigrants in Europe, or even given to them here?

In all the cases, bigotry and stereotype supersedes reality.

There is something fundamentally different about Islam compared to the fundamental similarities of different ethnicities in Western culture? And it goes all the way into the core of being Muslim. And it is fundamentally antithetical to Western values. It is not just another case of ethnic quirks or limitations.

That said, I am sure the Russians have provided you plenty of information, so you might know more than I do. Heck, I didn't even know of Hillary's pizza shop until last summer when an in-law informed me about it and told me I would also vote for trump if I read all the things she had read about Hillary :tm:.

For sure. I have this locked in Russian connection. Believe me. Hillary and Pizza don't go together . . . on the other hand, she IS a kind of fascist.

Way too many generalizations in that to even bother with. You wanna go down the road of the Catholic priests and make generalizations? There are problems with every group that involves humans. When you say it goes to the core of being Muslim, that reflects on you, not Islam.

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Way too many generalizations in that to even bother with. You wanna go down the road of the Catholic priests and make generalizations?
They were not generalizations. They were specific questions.

There are problems with every group that involves humans.

That is a generalization.

When you say it goes to the core of being Muslim, that reflects on you, not Islam.

It reflects my study of Islam. As it does the opinion of MANY scholars of that theocratic system. It reflects the opinion of converts and atheists who left that system. It reflects the understanding of those Muslims who want to reform their theocracy--it has not yet been reformed.

And it was about specific problems arising from that theocratic, cultural system in England and Europe. Actual problems that I did not invent. And the divide in Europe, over its Muslim immigration problem is large and a potential break-up of the EU. And a major reason the Brits voted for Brexit.

It was not about Muslims in the U.S.

Way too many generalizations in that to even bother with. You wanna go down the road of the Catholic priests and make generalizations? There are problems with every group that involves humans. When you say it goes to the core of being Muslim, that reflects on you, not Islam.

the homosexual predators who became priests, did not seduce boys in the name of catholicism, they were not motivated to do so, by catholicism. as they fondled young boys, they didn’t cry out that jesus is great.

there is one religion, one, that cultivates large numbers of people willing to commit atrocities in the name of that religion. there is a reason why that is. you can ignore that if you want, but if your beliefs require you to ignore facts and empirical evidence, it might be time to get some new beliefs.
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You may be suffering from dysosmia disorder. Who would know better about the problems of being gay than a gay person?



I'm pretty sure Spence talked to a bunch of Gay Hair Dressers, so, he's done the research.

It was not about Muslims in the U.S.

An important distinction, Muslims here are doing a good job of assimilating. Not in Europe, where they want to set up places in their new countries, that look and operate like their old countries. That's a problem.

Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is awesome. Multiculturalism, isn't. Someone said "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion". That's not that far off.

I'm pretty sure Spence talked to a bunch of Gay Hair Dressers, so, he's done the research.

That's exhaustive, thorough, credible research.

Wrong.

The thing is, you fixate on his foolish tweets (of which there are many), and you ignore his positive accomplishments. Have you ever posted whether or not your family is enjoying your tax cuts? Is your union happy that the national economy is growing, which means more tax dollars for the union members? What do you think of Apple paying 38 billion in federal income tax, thanks to tax incentives to bring foreign profits back to the US?

If we only learned about Trump form you, all we'd ever see, are the stupid tweets. And while it's fair to hold him accountable for those, it's also fair to give him credit where it's due. You don't do that. You ignore all the good., and only post the bad.

We are the sum total of all we do, not just the bad things we do. Do you agree with that, or not?


.... if he didnt tweet stupid #^&#^&#^&#^& i would not post any of his Tweets ...

you keep saying all the Good I have yet to see all this good you keep saying is out there.. and how Trump is the only responsible party for this goodness ..??? My investments have be affected by him positively but by perception not policy .... and thats about where it ends

An important distinction, Muslims here are doing a good job of assimilating. Not in Europe, where they want to set up places in their new countries, that look and operate like their old countries. That's a problem.

Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is awesome. Multiculturalism, isn't. Someone said "immigration without assimilation, is an invasion". That's not that far off.


Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..

But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....

what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??

How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??

The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here!

I'm pretty sure Spence talked to a bunch of Gay Hair Dressers, so, he's done the research.
Do you need a referral?

the homosexual predators who became priests, did not seduce boys in the name of catholicism, they were not motivated to do so, by catholicism. as they fondled young boys, they didn’t cry out that jesus is great.


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No, they used the trust created by the church as a tool to commit those acts. The tremendous power of the leadership of the church from parish to Rome, given by the church and parishioners, created a safe haven for those criminals to assault thousands of children. Muslim extremists distort Islam for their purposes. Obviously there is a connection between Islam and terrorism that can't be ignored. You are right that Muslims wanting to create countries in countries is a problem. It is interesting you say Muslims here are doing a good job assimilating since the Republican party platform is that we need to keep them out because they don't assimilate.
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the Republican party platform is that we need to keep them out because they don't assimilate.

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huh??

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you keep saying all the Good I have yet to see all this good you keep saying is out there.. and how Trump is the only responsible party for this goodness ..??? My investments have be affected by him positively but by perception not policy .... and thats about where it ends

"you keep saying all the Good I have yet to see all this good you keep saying is out there"

This shows the magnitude of your bias.

"how Trump is the only responsible party for this goodness "

I bet you didn't say that about Obama when the economy rebounded.

"My investments have be affected by him positively but by perception not policy "

Right, right. His policies have done nothing. The tax cuts (especially the corporate tax cut), the incentives to bring foreign profits back, the elimination of tons of regulations...none of that helped boost the economy. Nope, none of it.

You aren't capable of judging him fairly.

Many who claim they (immigrants ) dont Assimilate .. Feel Multi-ethnicity within a nation, is not awesome. Multiculturalism, is even worse. And any immigration is an invasion..

But what is Assimilation to theses people? Who don't understand the term or how it even works or what it looks like ....

what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable??

How does an Immigrant Assimilate thats acceptable in America Today ??

The current climate: I feel the answer is anywhere . But here!

"And any immigration is an invasion"

Who is saying that legal immigration, done by people willing to assimilate, is bad? Who?

"what does Assimilation look like how is measured what level is considered acceptable?? "

FFS, look it up in the dictionary.

As far as Muslims go, it means letting girls go to school instead of enslaving them, not forcing them to dress like ninjas if they don't want to, and accepting duly constituted civil laws even when they conflict with your religion. Embracing the culture of your new country, instead of wanting to incinerate everyone who embraces that culture, would also be a good start.

Demonizing others is not the path to a free society
https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/14/if-islam-is-a-religion-of-violence-so-is-christianity/amp/
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Right, right. His policies have done nothing. The tax cuts (especially the corporate tax cut), the incentives to bring foreign profits back, the elimination of tons of regulations...none of that helped boost the economy. Nope, none of it.
Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed. Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders. The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative. Multi-nationals will be able to shift production (hurting American workers) but the smaller businesses and especially farmers are going to get hammered.

They say we're going to see a massive increase in GDP soon because corporations are stockpiling to prepare...then...

It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out. We're just in an endless cycle of walk backs, reactionary counter measures and instability. This isn't a way to run a government.

Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed. Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders. The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative. Multi-nationals will be able to shift production (hurting American workers) but the smaller businesses and especially farmers are going to get hammered.

They say we're going to see a massive increase in GDP soon because corporations are stockpiling to prepare...then...

It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out. We're just in an endless cycle of walk backs, reactionary counter measures and instability. This isn't a way to run a government.

"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.

Demonizing others is not the path to a free society
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No it is not.

And no one has been demonized more than Trump. A good portion of it is fair and accurate. A good portion of it is not.

"Wages have actually dropped since the tax cut was passed"

There are articles saying June 2018 was a big month for wage gain. I guess it depends on the agenda of the person answering the question. How does low unemployment, fail to help wages?
Here is the data on wage Gains, they are insignificant
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000003?output_view=net_1mth

"Nearly all the tax cut benefits have gone to large shareholders"

The wealthy will ALWAYS disproportionately benefit when the economy improves. That cannot fail to happen. When the stock market soared during the Obama years, did that not benefit the wealthy more than the poor? Yet all fair people gave Obama credit, right? You have fun trying to explain the difference. Why was it terrific when income inequality increased during the Obama years, but as soon as Trump took the oath, income inequality is evil.
Without the But....
The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years, leaving you with payments. If you were in a higher tax bracket it would not. Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day

"The corporate response to the trade war is overwhelmingly negative"

That's true, and he is taking heat for that.

I see you made zero mention of unemployment. Hmmm, I wonder why?
Nor did you mention tariffs and how they will affect the great tax cut you received def. a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports.

You cannot win this one Spence, you can only expose the degree of your partisan bias.

"It seems like all of Trump's policy is so off the cuff nothing is thought out"

He beat (not by a close margin, either) the most inevitable candidate ever. The economy is soaring. Jihadists are on the run. And he nominated (from the perspective of most of his supporters) two spectacular Supreme Court picks.

He shoots from the hip without thinking, FAR too often. But he doesn't do it all the time. Again, you focus on the bad, and ignore the good (or try to make it seem like the good, isn't really all that good).

You did the exact opposite from 2009 - 2016. The exact opposite.

"This isn't a way to run a government"

His personal behavior is repugnant. As far as policy goes, I like most of what he's done, certainly not all. Unfortunately, character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was on the GOP ballot in 2008 and 2012, but the liberals and the media didn't respect it. They demonized it. So we nominated someone who, if he's effected at all by watching his opponents go berserk, it makes him ecstatic.

When you side decides to play fair, maybe the GOP will again nominate a person of character. As long as your side chooses to fight dirty, don't be shocked when we nominate someone who can handle it.
His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

His method isn't hard to emulate:
Now my opponent, I have a nickname for him, I really shouldn't say this but, no I shouldn't say it. OK, I call him Big Baby Donny Bonespurs. I know it's not nice to make fun of someones aliments, but his seem to miraculously disappeared after the Vietnam War.
He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best. What do you have, the highest healthcare costs in the world along with the highest pharmaceutical costs in the world, he's certainly made that the greatest, hasn't he? And how much more does your insurance cost now? Your kid has a congenital defect, well sorry you cant get insurance, should have thought of that before you had it.
Let's look at the National debt, When Baby Donny took over it was 4 Trillion less than it is now, but I thought he said he was going to cut it more than anyone else could. Just another Baby lie, I guess
Now let's look at infrastructure, Baby Donny knows how to build things, he can get things done for less, but so far he has produced nothing at all.
I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.

I really shouldn't talk about his morals, well actually i cant because he doesn't have any.
:thanks:

http://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/trump-saves-jewish-3-year-olds-life/

Just like Hitler would have done...helped save a little Jewish boy.

"The taxbreak that let you buy your camper will evaporate in a few years"

Says who?

I'll be making more then...we did think it through.

"Meanwhile the Deficit grows by the day"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-09/trump-promised-to-eliminate-national-debt-in-eight-years-good-luck-with-that

Funny how people's concern for the deficit depends ENTIRELY on the party of the sitting POTUS. If you liked Obama's policies, you can't be a deficit hawk now. You just can't.
Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?

"Nor did you mention tariffs "

The hell I didn't. Trump is getting a lot of heat (fairly) for them. So now that I addressed that, can you admit that low unemployment is great, or not?

"He told you he would solve all your healthcare issues, you would have the greatest healthcare ever, the best"

He deserves criticism for failing to deliver, just as Obama deserves criticism for being cosmically wrong about lowering costs by $2500 a year, and being able to keep your doctor. Trump and the GOP blew healthcare, they just blew it. And many conservatives were furious about it.

If he fails to get an infrastructure plan through (as Obama failed) he deserves heat for that.

You don't have to convince me that Trump has serious flaws. I concede that. You are the ones that can't concede the good that he has done.
I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/05/17/trump-lags-behind-his-predecessors-on-economic-growth/

I don't feel the need to concede anything, as far as praising Baby Donny he does plenty of that himself
But like most of what he says it is not quite true.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/05/17/trump-lags-behind-his-predecessors-on-economic-growth/

"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.

"Your theory then, is that with a failing economy you Obama should have decreased the deficit?"

no. My theory is that if liberals weren't worried when Obama increased the debt, they shouldn't be concerned that Trump is increasing the debt. Is that going too fast for you?

" don't feel the need to concede anything,"

So you point out all the bad stuff he does, but can't accept the good things he does. That's the very definition of bias.

You can't concede that lower unemployment is a good thing. But I bet you had no trouble admitting it was good, when Obama was POTUS.
You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama, you are incorrect.
Believe it or not, I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few.
In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view, your children and mine will not thank us for that.

"You assume that because i don't find Trump qualified or competent that i voted for Obama"

Never said a word about how you voted, not a word.

"I and some other republicans will not have the wool pulled over our eyes by a con man who claims many things and produces few. "

me either. I can accurately point out the good and the bad. You can't, by your own admission (you refused to concede that low unemployment is good, and you admitted that your refusal was based on a desire to not say anything complimentary of Trump) accept the good.

"In one election cycle deficits have gone from bad to good in your view"

Who said that? Obama added more to the deficit than Trump did, and he didn't put any money in my pocket by doing so. Trump is generating deficits, but at least helping almost everyone along the way.

You're a Republican? Right.....

Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant
I've said plenty of times Trump already gives himself more credit than he's due.
You've sold your children's future, put your values away and what did you get for it?
A camper
Two Supreme Court picks

Do you need a referral?

No, I need Rogain

huh??

This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification

On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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Republican, not a Trumplican, short for Trump Supplicant



wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?

wouldn't that be a Trumplicant ?

No, he has it right.

This is from a Fox news interview about a Muslim ban. Let me know if you need more clarification

On Fox News, Trump said this of Muslims who immigrate to the United States: "Assimilation has been very hard. It's almost — I won't say nonexistent, but it gets to be pretty close. And I'm talking about second and third generation. They come — they don't — for some reason, there's no real assimilation."
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nothing on FOX news is true...

and how is anything trump says the "republican party platform"? remember...the democrats(and the russians) elected him

Big gains for working people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-18/trump-s-tax-cut-hasn-t-done-anything-for-workers
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nothing on FOX news is true...

and how is anything trump says the "republican party platform"? remember...the democrats(and the russians) elected him

He is the Republican party. The party of Reagan died.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4658807/bush-regan-1980-pres-primary-debate-immigration-remarks

The party of Reagan died.



know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump :huh:

Big gains for working people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-07-18/trump-s-tax-cut-hasn-t-done-anything-for-workers
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know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump :huh:

The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall

Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America

The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.

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It’s the deficit, not crumbs
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter, below 2017’s pace, and considerably less than in 2014 and 2015:
This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. By this point, almost all economists recognize that income tax cuts no longer stimulate the economy enough to reduce deficits, as supply-siders thought they would back in the 1980s. But economists still held out some hope that lowering the corporate tax, which is believed to be more harmful than the personal income tax, would have a more salutary effect on the budget. Unfortunately, that hope appears to be fading, as fiscal deficits increase rapidly.
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall

Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America

I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.

The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.

The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc...

prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.

What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?

Have fun with that answer.

We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way.

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This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. .
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.


Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?

What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?

Have fun with that answer.

We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way.

Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.

The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger.

That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.


Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?
You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO

Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.

The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger.

As I've said, I have very little anger. I don't have much, politically speaking, to be angry about. November may change that. You are misinterpreting (in my opinion), my logic, for anger.

Paul, some people are, in fact, pieces of sh*t.

You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO

"You always get lost in But Obama"

And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.

"Obama's worked better than Bush's "

You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.

"Trump didn't start out in a hole"

No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.

Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.

"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"

Not until Bush jr.

"Limiting political speech"

Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter.

prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.

Yeah, they are.

The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.

The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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I agree no one ever hated anyone as much as Trump. Not only is he an idiot and dangerous for the country, but he is an all around terrible person. Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.

Being angry is not the problem. Being angry for the reasons the trump rally attendees are angry is the problem.
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"You always get lost in But Obama"

And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.
I don't see where I am being hypocritical by being concerned about the budget and the deficit, your typical answer is whatabout which only deflects from the issue being discussed, what evidence have you seen that the tax cuts are producing longterm economic gains? The things i see are not good

"Obama's worked better than Bush's "

You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.

"Trump didn't start out in a hole"

No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.

Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.

"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"

Not until Bush jr.

"Limiting political speech"

Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter.
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO until Baby Donny Bonespur
You have a short memory, this was your comment in another thread
"Stupid move, with awful optics, by a petty man. Even Obama, also a vindictive thin-skinned baby, never went this far.

Not a good month for Trump..."

There is a lot of passion on both sides, that's a good thing. It means people care.
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Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.

No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.
I wasnt aware that was happening. Aholes in all walks of life. I think it was RIJimmy that said "people suck"
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.

Someone’s got to do it.
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO until Baby Donny Bonespur
You have a short memory, this was your comment in another thread
"Stupid move, with awful optics, by a petty man. Even Obama, also a vindictive thin-skinned baby, never went this far.

Not a good month for Trump..."

"I don't see where I am being hypocritical "

I didn't mean you specifically, but liberals in general. All of their concerns flip flop depending on who is POTUS, there's no principled convictions there.

"your typical answer is whatabout "

I think I only go there when the hypocrisy is laughable. That's not my "typical" answer, my typical answer is to point to actual empirical evidence.

Not sure what you mean by my short memory. I said it wasn't a good month for Trump, he acted stupidly, and I stand by that. I still like much of what he's doing.

I wasnt aware that was happening. Aholes in all walks of life. I think it was RIJimmy that said "people suck"
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Quick story.

My mother in law passed away last November the weekend before Thanksgiving. So we had the funeral the saturday after Thanksgiving. After the funeral we were all hanging out at her house having a couple of drinks and just shooting the breeze. My son comes up and said that his girlfriends mom wanted to come by and give her condolences and if that was cool. I was like "Of Course it is" I hadn't met her yet so this was our first time meeting.

So my son comes up with her and introduces her to us, and my wife's uncle (a foaming at the mouth Trump hater) immediately asks her who she voted for? Not a "Hi" or "Nice to meet you" it was 'Who did you vote for?"

She gets the look on her face because she knows what's coming next and say " I voted for Trump". My wife's Uncle immediately launches into a tirade about Trump and why she would ever vote for him, asks her what her stance is on abortion, and ends the whole thing with "What the F**k is wrong with you?"

The woman's only crime was casting a vote for someone he didn't like and the only thing she wanted to do was pay her respects for HIS SISTER!!!

After she left I looked at him and asked him "What the F**k is wrong with you?". he honestly thought he didn't do anything wrong.

These are the people I'm talking about, the true Trump haters that can't reside in the world of common decency just because his name is mentioned.

I get why people don't like the guy, hell, I think he is a class A douche, but I would never EVER treat somebody that way over a friggin vote they cast.

I've heard/seen people calling other people racists, and other names, just because they voted for him. It's rediculous. I've been called that just because I won't roll over and disavow is very existence. And I didn't even vote for the guy, I just don't let him reside in my head rent free.

Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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See above

Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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Black unemployment has never been lower. If he's a racist, he's apparently not a very good racist.

Hilary, in a prepared speech, called half the country deplorable, irredeemable, racists, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. Why isn't that as bad as anything Trump has ever said?

When Trump bashes those who disagree with him, he gets called out for it - as he should.

When Obama ("Republicans gotta stop just hatin' all the time") or Hilary do the same thing, they get a pass. Why? Because they are more polished and articulate? Is the delivery more important than the message? I don't think so.

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1147356]
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
/QUOTE]

Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.

Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.

Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.

The GDP numbers are going to be very high, mostly fueled by companies stockpiling goods and materials to avoid paying higher prices due to the tariffs.

It's not spin, it's all in the numbers.

Of course Trump is going to take another victory lap and you'll once again fail to see beyond your nose.

[QUOTE=Pete F.;1147356]
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
/QUOTE]

Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.

Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.
Soaring?

Remember this is a country, not a real estate deal, you need good longterm policy, not just a great meeting.
Lots of people in my industry who have concerns, do you think this is a liberal publication?
https://www.constructionequipment.com/what-equipment-manufacturers-are-saying-about-trump%E2%80%99s-tariffs?eid=216737013&bid=2184490

Meanwhile Bernie and the chick from Queens had thousands attend a rally in flyover land that promoted the things that obviously scare you most.
Healthcare
Social Security
Housing
Education
Elderly
Campaign Finance
Gun Control
Criminal Justice Reform
Climate Change
Women's Rights
Immigration

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1147405]
Soaring?

Remember this is a country, not a real estate deal, you need good longterm policy, not just a great meeting.
Lots of people in my industry who have concerns, do you think this is a liberal publication?
https://www.constructionequipment.com/what-equipment-manufacturers-are-saying-about-trump%E2%80%99s-tariffs?eid=216737013&bid=2184490

Meanwhile Bernie and the chick from Queens had thousands attend a rally in flyover land that promoted the things that obviously scare you most.
Healthcare
Social Security
Housing
Education
Elderly
Campaign Finance
Gun Control
Criminal Justice Reform
Climate Change
Women's Rights
Immigration

At that rally, they also gave an ovation to a cop killer.

"Women's Rights". If you want one example to illustrate everything that's wrong with liberalism, it's the use of that term. Why can't you just say "abortion"? That's the only specific right that we really differ on, yet you need to use a sanitizing euphemism.

I am a huge believer in women's rights - right to vote, to dress how they want, to choose whether to work or stay home with the kids, I am in favor of all kinds of rights. But you feel the need to frame this issue in such a way, as to make it seem like those who disagree with you on abortion, are somehow against "women's rights" in some macro kind of view.

It's nonsense. I can tell you what I believe without having to disguise my beliefs, to make it sound like I believe something other than what I actually believe. What does it say about your opinion, that you need to disguise it as something else?

I'm not afraid of any of the things on that list. From what I saw, the liberals were big on promises, short on plans to pay for it. I don't know if the promises of free stuff, especially coming from a new York socialist who is so dumb that she doesn't know what "unemployment" is (she thinks unemployment I slow because people work two jobs), are going to win people over in middle America. But we'll soon see.

That young socialist from new York city is so stupid, she makes that Miss South Carolina beauty contestant from a few years ago, sound like Margaret Thatcher.

You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO

he loves to leave out facts and big picture

the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[16] By 2014 the loan program had wiped out its losses, including a $528 million loss from Solyndra, and was operating in the black.

I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.

The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.

The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc...


A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save will save about $650. a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month


If the taxes went this way see above we would be in agreement ... this would be great for America the single mother and middle class family would have real disposable money they could spend save or re invest and the business guy falls into a movie and mini golf and should be happy he gets a tax break :tm:

he loves to leave out facts and big picture

the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.[16] By 2014 the loan program had wiped out its losses, including a $528 million loss from Solyndra, and was operating in the black.

Nope. I said the stimulus didn't pay for itself, which was totally distinct from the recovery/reinvestment act, which I understand not only paid for itself, but may have turned a profit? But I was talking about the Obama stimulus bill (price tag around 750B), which was a flop. Huge promises of shovel ready jobs, and later, even Obama was laughing that they weren't as shovel ready as he thought. Ha ha ha, we wasted three quarters of a trillion.

A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save will save about $650. a month

A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 save more than $13,000. 1083 a month

A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month


If the taxes went this way see above we would be in agreement ... this would be great for America the single mother and middle class family would have real disposable money they could spend save or re invest and the business guy falls into a movie and mini golf and should be happy he gets a tax break :tm:

The business guy takes significant risks that the employees don't take. And it's healthy for him to be incentivized to launch start-ups. Have you ever worked in the private sector, even for a day? Liberals have this notion that private sector "business" is bad. Where do you think the tax dollars get generated, which fund every cent of your compensation?

But I was talking about the Obama stimulus bill (price tag around 750B), which was a flop. Huge promises of shovel ready jobs, and later, even Obama was laughing that they weren't as shovel ready as he thought. Ha ha ha, we wasted three quarters of a trillion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-the-stimulus-work-a-review-of-the-nine-best-studies-on-the-subject/2011/08/16/gIQAThbibJ_blog.html?utm_term=.a91be058f3cb

A good read on the subject. Summary = the stimulus worked.

See above

That was a complete jackhat move. It isn't unique to one side for someone to be that big of a jackhat but that is pathetic.
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A good read on the subject. Summary = the stimulus worked.

Good you summarized for him. Jim thinks the black unemployment rate after 1+ year of trump in office has correlation to Trump's level of racism. SAD!
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a new York socialist who is so dumb that she doesn't know what "unemployment" is (she thinks unemployment I slow because people work two jobs), are going to win people over in middle America. But we'll soon see.

That young socialist from new York city is so stupid, she makes that Miss South Carolina beauty contestant from a few years ago, sound like Margaret Thatcher.
Guess you got the Faux spin on that one
You don’t know anybody who works two jobs?
How does that get counted in the employment calculations
https://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-working-more-than-one-job-to-make-ends-meet-2017-8
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Guess you got the Faux spin on that one
You don’t know anybody who works two jobs?
How does that get counted in the employment calculations
https://www.businessinsider.com/more-americans-working-more-than-one-job-to-make-ends-meet-2017-8
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does your brain literally shut off when something happens that makes someone in your side look stupid.

of course i know people working two jobs.

that’s not the point.

the point is, if i have a job, and i take a second job, THAT DOESN’T LOWER UNEMPLOYMENT. whether i have one job or ten jobs, the unemployment rate stays the same. this ditzy socialist from Queens, didn’t know that. she thought low unemployment WAS BAD, because she thought it was achieved by people working multiple jobs.

i’m sorry, but someday you’re going to have to settle with the fact that there are a few morons on the left.
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A good read on the subject. Summary = the stimulus worked.
shocker that you came to that conclusion. i mean, we are stunned.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing? well. i still don’t claim to understand it, but the stick market reacted favorably to it. so the people living where the tires meet the road, thought it was beneficial.

can your psyche accept that?
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Jim,
I've worked with guys like Trump
Identify a problem
Blow it up as much as possible and tell everyone you have a problem.
Piss everyone off
The problem gets solved, they always do
Run around telling everyone they solved the problem and they should be praised
Other guys would just solve the problem in cooperation with the others involved.
Then I solicit pricing from the subs or suppliers involved and they say who's the PM, if it's him I don't want anything to do with it or I'm adding.
Not the way to manage effectively longterm, but it is certainly Baby Donny Bonespurs method

Good you summarized for him. Jim thinks the black unemployment rate after 1+ year of trump in office has correlation to Trump's level of racism. SAD!
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Trump (and the entire GOP) celebrated low black unemployment at the SOTU address. The dems sat there, miserable.

I don't think Trump is singularly responsible for low black unemoployment. But he sure seemed happy about it, and your side clearly saw it as no reason to celebrate.

And for god damn sure, that DOES say something about each side's views on race.

Jim,
I've worked with guys like Trump
Identify a problem
Blow it up as much as possible and tell everyone you have a problem.
Piss everyone off
The problem gets solved, they always do
Run around telling everyone they solved the problem and they should be praised
Other guys would just solve the problem in cooperation with the others involved.
Then I solicit pricing from the subs or suppliers involved and they say who's the PM, if it's him I don't want anything to do with it or I'm adding.
Not the way to manage effectively longterm, but it is certainly Baby Donny Bonespurs method

Means always justifies the ends in Trump camp.
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Jim,
I've worked with guys like Trump
Identify a problem
Blow it up as much as possible and tell everyone you have a problem.
Piss everyone off
The problem gets solved, they always do
Run around telling everyone they solved the problem and they should be praised
Other guys would just solve the problem in cooperation with the others involved.
Then I solicit pricing from the subs or suppliers involved and they say who's the PM, if it's him I don't want anything to do with it or I'm adding.
Not the way to manage effectively longterm, but it is certainly Baby Donny Bonespurs method

"Other guys would just solve the problem in cooperation with the others involved"

True. Many politicians, especially presidents, like to take credit for the sunrise. Trump isn't unique in that regard.

shocker that you came to that conclusion. i mean, we are stunned.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing? well. i still don’t claim to understand it, but the stick market reacted favorably to it. so the people living where the tires meet the road, thought it was beneficial.

can your psyche accept that?
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please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

My opinion is that Trump's tariffs were a negotiation ploy, not an economic strategy. Without that ploy, getting others to meaningfully come to the table would be an exercise in futility. These negotiations are a first, meaningful, step, not an end product. All the first, tentative, agreements can lead to the end product, but not if there is no motive on one side to get there.

Negotiating, meaningfully, by all sides toward zero tariffs can get there if the alternative is tariff war. The U.S. complacently allowing others to impose tariffs without retaliating gives us no leverage.

A first, small step, showing good faith I presume, the EU will import MORE soybeans from us and create stations to import natural gas from us (not a good thing for Russia). Everything else mentioned can now be seriously discussed and agreed to. I didn't see any mechanism being developed to resolve these issue before, except to bitch and whine about it.

please show me theses EU concessions .. of which you speak if you can ....


PDF
European Commission - Statement
Joint U.S.-EU Statement following President Juncker's visit to the White House
Washington, 25 July 2018

We met today in Washington, D.C. to launch a new phase in the relationship between the United States and the European Union – a phase of close friendship, of strong trade relations in which both of us will win, of working better together for global security and prosperity, and of fighting jointly against terrorism.

The United States and the European Union together count more than 830 million citizens and more than 50 percent of global GDP. If we team up, we can make our planet a better, more secure, and more prosperous place.

Already today, the United States and the European Union have a $1 trillion bilateral trade relationship – the largest economic relationship in the world. We want to further strengthen this trade relationship to the benefit of all American and European citizens.

This is why we agreed today, first of all, to work together toward zero tariffs, zero non-tariff barriers, and zero subsidies on non-auto industrial goods. We will also work to reduce barriers and increase trade in services, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, medical products, as well as soybeans. EU already imports the majority of soybeans from the us

This will open markets for farmers and workers, increase investment, and lead to greater prosperity in both the United States and the European Union. It will also make trade fairer and more reciprocal.

Secondly, we agreed today to strengthen our strategic cooperation with respect to energy. The European Union wants to import more liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the United States to diversify its energy supply.

Thirdly, we agreed today to launch a close dialogue on standards in order to ease trade, reduce bureaucratic obstacles, and slash costs.

Fourthly, we agreed today to join forces to protect American and European companies better from unfair global trade practices. We will therefore work closely together with like-minded partners to reform the WTO and to address unfair trading practices, including intellectual property theft, forced technology transfer, industrial subsidies, distortions created by state owned enterprises, and overcapacity.

We decided to set up immediately an Executive Working Group of our closest advisors to carry this joint agenda forward. In addition, it will identify short-term measures to facilitate commercial exchanges and assess existing tariff measures. While we are working on this, we will not go against the spirit of this agreement, unless either party terminates the negotiations.

We also want to resolve the steel and aluminum tariff issues and retaliatory tariffs.



Soybean prices plunge to a 10-year low i understand seeing this from a making money point of view how ever if the US economy is booming under the current system ? what Are his Trade tariffs expected to do ?? endless Growth is not sustainable ... above is the EU press release nothing no details just more negotiation than Trump claims it as a win Trump is doing what he did in his Business He is playing with other peoples money he is exposed to no risk

What you posted, says that we will work together toward goals like zero tariffs. Perhaps (I don't know) that helps u sore than it helps them. I watched CNN last night, and on CNN (not known to lie in favor of Trump), their business guy said the market went up yesterday because of favorable reaction to what they discussed. So the markets, who know more about this than either one of us, responded favorably. I can accept that for what it is. You cannot, and must find another explanation.

The markets would be very happy if he just shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up

The markets would be very happy if he just shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up

Again, you are making up gibberish. The market is doing well since he took the oath (no thanks to Facebook, yeesh). The market likes him.

wrong place

What you posted, says that we will work together toward goals like zero tariffs. Perhaps (I don't know) that helps u sore than it helps them. I watched CNN last night, and on CNN (not known to lie in favor of Trump), their business guy said the market went up yesterday because of favorable reaction to what they discussed. So the markets, who know more about this than either one of us, responded favorably. I can accept that for what it is. You cannot, and must find another explanation.

the EU concessions that you dismissed as nothing?

But thats not what you said.. you said they made concessions to Trump please don't move the goal posts .. the market is happy because the agreed to keep talking and it didnt get worse .... not because of any details... or things got better ... this is the part you avoid like the plague ... nothing has fundamentally has changed.. if it has were are the agreements with numbers and amounts and time lines for implementation if i had that info I could have a different view but I do not ...

Trump took an old dull penny and gave you a shiny penny ..... and some how you think its not the same penny .... thats the genius of Trump ....

Again, you are making up gibberish. The market is doing well since he took the oath (no thanks to Facebook, yeesh). The market likes him.
I didn't say the market was doing bad, it would do better if he shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up
Just because you think he is the second coming, I thought you were a christian. Remember, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me
I'm not making up anything, don't think his effect on the markets from tweets about the Federal reserve rates, tariffs, etc is inconsequential and without costs to business. Turmoil is not good for planning.
Here, read this radical news instead of State news
https://www.reuters.com/trump-effect/business-economy
or the economist or wall street journal

I didn't say the market was doing bad, it would do better if he shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up

What evidence do you have of that?

Just because you think he is the second coming, I thought you were a christian. Remember, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me

I don't recall Jim saying that Trump is the second coming. Could you verify that? Nor do I recall Jim saying that Trump is a God. Maybe you could also verify that?

I'm not making up anything, don't think his effect on the markets from tweets about the Federal reserve rates, tariffs, etc is inconsequential and without costs to business. Turmoil is not good for planning.
Here, read this radical news instead of State news
https://www.reuters.com/trump-effect/business-economy
or the economist or wall street journal

The markets go up and they go down on a daily basis due to various events and political statements. I don't think you would prefer that various problems should not be addressed because that would negatively affect the market. I may be wrong, maybe you would prefer that.

There was no way to correct various countries imposing tariffs on certain US goods, nor the misappropriation of American intellectual property without retaliating or threatening to do so. Trump has laid down the gauntlet, but also opened the doors to negotiations that can lead to the removal of American tariffs--the old carrot and stick thing. There are, at least, movements now in that direction. Even merely signaling that should have a positive effect on the market. And accomplishing zero tariffs should stimulate it even more.

I didn't say the market was doing bad, it would do better if he shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up
Just because you think he is the second coming, I thought you were a christian. Remember, Thou shalt have no other gods before Me
I'm not making up anything, don't think his effect on the markets from tweets about the Federal reserve rates, tariffs, etc is inconsequential and without costs to business. Turmoil is not good for planning.
Here, read this radical news instead of State news
https://www.reuters.com/trump-effect/business-economy
or the economist or wall street journal

Pete, how many times has Jim specifically told you he can't stand Trump but thinks he has done some good things? Now you use a phrase like second coming..... seriously,are you slow or just stupid?
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I didn’t say the market was doing bad
I said it would do better if he shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up
Jim instantly assumes that I can give him no credit
I think he would get better results with a little moderation
He’s like the boy who cried Wolf
And while Jim purports to detest him he is willing to toss his values aside as long as he gets something immediately
Stupidity is buying into Baby Donny Bonespurs Con Job
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Jim has an opinion,do you even understand what an opinion is? It is what Jim thinks. Not what you say he should think. I hope you understand the difference.

Meanwhile you give a perfect example of the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& left and their shortsighted ways. If you concluded that Jim considered Trump the second coming then you are just plain ignorant. Thanks for displaying your confusion and arrogance for all to see.
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President Donald Trump's former lawyer has said his client knew in advance of a June 2016 meeting between his aides and a Russian delegation that offered to help his campaign, US media report.

Pete, how many times has Jim specifically told you he can't stand Trump but thinks he has done some good things? Now you use a phrase like second coming..... seriously,are you slow or just stupid?
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It's difficult to have a serious conversation sometimes. They can't respond to what you actually say, so they respond as if I said something like "Trump is the second coming".

Nothing dishonest there, nope.

When your beliefs render you incapable of responding to what someone says, it might be time to re-examine those beliefs.