Anyone know this fisherman from Warren?

http://www.thenewportbuzz.com/fisherman-cited-for-exceeding-striped-bass-catch-limit/16852

and I bet Those fish weren't destined for mass......another slap on the wrist I'm sure
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Not this guys first time getting caught.

https://patch.com/rhode-island/narragansett/ma-fishermen-arrested-illegal-striped-bass-fishing-ri-waters

Not this guys first time getting caught.

https://patch.com/rhode-island/narragansett/ma-fishermen-arrested-illegal-striped-bass-fishing-ri-waters

Interesting - guy has a Mass comm license. This is his second bust - will/should he loose his license?

Yesterday in Point Judith, Officers Jeff Mercer and Anthony Esposito of DEM’s Division of Law Enforcement (DLE) seized 13 striped bass – 12 more than allowed for a recreational angler – from a Warren man returning from a fishing trip near Block Island. Upon boarding the boat, the Environmental Police Officers observed two stripers in plain sight but found the other 11 fish hidden in a compartment under the bow. Officers Mercer and Esposito charged Michael A. Saviano, 37, of Warren, with one count of exceeding the possession limit of striped bass and one count of failure to cut the pectoral fin. RI fisheries regulations require removing the right pectoral fin of a striped bass that’s at least 34 inches long at the time of harvest to signify that it was caught recreationally. It is illegal for recreational anglers to sell their catch.



The fisherman potentially faces $1,200 in fines — $100 for each fish illegally taken. DLE donated the fish to Amos House, the Providence-based social services agency that runs the state’s largest soup kitchen.



For more information on fishing seasons and catch limits, visit http://www.dem.ri.gov/marine (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dem.ri.gov%2Fmarine&h=AT0YGY3wro8hy8Zsy6k0VDsr0yYKaHW4AS7MEX5Qu6CCc_VW BzjVJ378yD6fNB0jbfJGQ6h_0R_MfygqZfUCV1aiVeZrcP8A_9 wlzHfSWZiZSrMh0YSstrQsK86ofevoFgfovP8Gnd0nerK9Y1KT 5rFr67zExG6TEOBWdMec6hNTVbMvifY02PtY4opB-nlyq4tD-lzxixTUReDiHkLe6vVqWXcelslJgirgERt6DD5xxVYsv0qzIWq 2CChnis83XsKPfJ12oQne1z5jb2nl-t6TYSL5ergOJjh3uH3uIMjb4fVrOnEkxrB19WBmTSnOGNiYdTu GMlzAKRvsmm5ua5cVX-wXg6jWkG_FoDfjOlL2tCtEr__vp4veq6bCNa4SeilU8ZUmAn1C yBc77ZVjMezc8o0Iylo)



From DEM

sick of these people getting off the hook over and over with a skimpy fine that is just a part of doing business...
Drop the Effing HAMMER already!!!!

Pop an eye out 👁.
Poaching pirate needs a patch.
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From the Block?

From the Block?

more than likely

1200$ in fines vs 50,000$ he probably made this summer

$5 per pound x 20# per fish x 12 fish = $1200. So all he loses is the day..... Not much of a deterrent IMO. Especially for a repeat offender.

Should load his boat with all his gear in a car crusher and make him watch... then load his truck in it for good measure.

While I agree with all of the sentiment... When you figure the degenerates that most judges see in a day, A guy keeping more fish than allowed is ridiculously trivial. Sucks, but sadly true.

While I agree with all of the sentiment... When you figure the degenerates that most judges see in a day, A guy keeping more fish than allowed is ridiculously trivial. Sucks, but sadly true.

Exactly my thoughts.

&&&&&&&&&& that,s exactly the way most judges see it >>>>>>>>>its only a fish ><>

Take the boat, gear, truck..everything 1k per fish fine, lose of license for 2 yr., Stop pussyfooting with these f'uk's.

Blackball this ahole !!
Mr. Michael A. Saviano of 424 Water Street in Warren RI

The judges jaded view of "it's just a fish" is exactly why these guys get away with it and continue to poach.

Of course when its compared to other crimes, it seems like no big deal...
But if that's how judges are going to operate, then dismiss my next damn
speeding ticket!

Just imagine what the Canal triads poach to bring to the restaurants they wash dishes in.
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2nd offense should be boat and truck confiscation with the proceeds of the sale of the aforementioned to go to habitat restoration and shoreline access improvements.
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Just imagine what the Canal triads poach to bring to the restaurants they wash dishes in.
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you mean those are striped dollar bills swimming in that canal?

2nd offense should be boat and truck confiscation with the proceeds of the sale of the aforementioned to go to habitat restoration and shoreline access improvements.
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This
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1) RI cannot revoke a MA commercial license
2) the 1200 fine is the maximum provided for by RI law.
3) if you don't like it get off your ass and write your state legislators to increase the fines, bitching about it here will accomplish nothing.

But why can't MA revoke his license? Does their authority to do so only apply to violations occurring in MA or does it apply to anyone who holds a MA license?

But why can't MA revoke his license? Does their authority to do so only apply to violations occurring in MA or does it apply to anyone who holds a MA license?

Because he didn't do anything wrong in MA! Think of it this way, I'll assume you have aMA or RI drivers license, if you get caught speeding in CT and don't pay the fine or show up in court, CT can't suspend your RI drivers license, all they can do is to suspend your right to drive in CT. But in this case they didn't even have a RI license so RI can't do much besides fine him.

1) RI cannot revoke a MA commercial license
2) the 1200 fine is the maximum provided for by RI law.
3) if you don't like it get off your ass and write your state legislators to increase the fines, bitching about it here will accomplish nothing.

:agree:

Because he didn't do anything wrong in MA! Think of it this way, I'll assume you have aMA or RI drivers license, if you get caught speeding in CT and don't pay the fine or show up in court, CT can't suspend your RI drivers license, all they can do is to suspend your right to drive in CT. But in this case they didn't even have a RI license so RI can't do much besides fine him.

That doesn't answer the question. Obviously RI can't revoke a MA license, but why can't MA....no matter where the offense took place? Don't they control the rules for who gets or looses a license?

He has a MA license. If I have a MA driver license and am caught driving drunk at 120mph in RI, I would think MA has the option, if they choose, to suspend my license as a danger to the people of MA (though perhaps not). If I had a license to carry a firearm in MA and was guilty of a firearm violation in another state wouldn't I lose my MA license? He has a MA fishing license....not some constitutional right to sell fish in our state. He is presumably guilty of a fishing violation. Is MA legally obligated to ignore this or can they act at their own discretion to revoke his privilege to sell fish in the state? If not, why not and by what statute are they prohibited from doing so?

Because he didn't do anything wrong in MA! Think of it this way, I'll assume you have aMA or RI drivers license, if you get caught speeding in CT and don't pay the fine or show up in court, CT can't suspend your RI drivers license, all they can do is to suspend your right to drive in CT. But in this case they didn't even have a RI license so RI can't do much besides fine him.

Actually they can, trust me, I know from experience :hee:
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I guess if they let him sell the fish in Mass, he might have lost his license there.



Actually they can, trust me, I know from experience :hee:
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:rotflmao:

Can anyone point out a case of poaching in Mass where the poacher lost their license or had it suspended? Judges seem to be quite liberal in that regard with slaps on the wrist and tiny fines so maybe the point is moot. Sad state of affairs.
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if they had waited until he crossed into Ma, he would have broken the federal Lacy Act ><><

Who are this guys friends / fishing partners that they aren't giving him
a mountain of headache for being a poacher lowlife???


maybe his friends are all poachers too...

Who are this guys friends / fishing partners that they aren't giving him
a mountain of headache for being a poacher lowlife???


maybe his friends are all poachers too...

birds of a feather...

if they had waited until he crossed into Ma, he would have broken the federal Lacy Act ><><

But if they invested the time to follow him and nab him across state lines with MA also involved, they would have violated both RI's and MA's "DEM/EPO LAZY Act".

Can anyone point out a case of poaching in Mass where the poacher lost their license or had it suspended? Judges seem to be quite liberal in that regard with slaps on the wrist and tiny fines so maybe the point is moot. Sad state of affairs.
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It happens but not enough. A lure builder up there got caught poaching and lost his license for 3 years.

License ??
We don’t need no stinkin license ! 👨🏻

if they had waited until he crossed into Ma, he would have broken the federal Lacy Act ><><

Right! And that can carry some stiff penalties. However they would have had to coordinate with the MA authorities, since the RI authorities couldn't arrest him in MA.

no they don,t .the feds would make the arrest ><

take the boat and attach the anchor he's not using to his ankle.......

its time to make poaching penalties hurt a little more. and to get judges to take these kinda things seriously...

for instance- 3 guys in CT were caught with 40-something stripers a few years ago. cops sued fish-sniffing dogs to find them all. all were shorts. only 1 of them had a license.

total fine was $25 for fishing w/o license. they were all seen back fishing 1 week later

no they don,t .the feds would make the arrest ><

The feds would show up about a week later!

its time to make poaching penalties hurt a little more. and to get judges to take these kinda things seriously...

for instance- 3 guys in CT were caught with 40-something stripers a few years ago. cops sued fish-sniffing dogs to find them all. all were shorts. only 1 of them had a license.

total fine was $25 for fishing w/o license. they were all seen back fishing 1 week later

Several busts in CT were tossed out due to lack of evidence. Apparently some attorney came up with the great idea that if the cops didn't have physical proof (video/photographic evidence) of the suspect stashing fish in the woods nearby then they could have been placed there by anyone. Now they have to catch them on video to get the charges to stick.

Several busts in CT were tossed out due to lack of evidence. Apparently some attorney came up with the great idea that if the cops didn't have physical proof (video/photographic evidence) of the suspect stashing fish in the woods nearby then they could have been placed there by anyone. Now they have to catch them on video to get the charges to stick.

You don't think its a good idea to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty?

Hey!!
What’s up with all the fish in the trunk of your car ?

I don’t know ? I didn’t put them in there. Someone else must’ve done it. Yeah....that’s it ! Someone else did it.
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You don't think its a good idea to have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty?

I find the need to provide video/photo evidence a bit much. Is the same required to prove possession in other infractions? To me a police officer saying he saw Joe Poacher stash 24 short striped bass in a burlap sack in the woods 20 feet from where he was seen fishing is evidence enough. I still trust the police, but perhaps that is because I live my life wholly above the law.

Legal residence?

I find the need to provide video/photo evidence a bit much. Is the same required to prove possession in other infractions? To me a police officer saying he saw Joe Poacher stash 24 short striped bass in a burlap sack in the woods 20 feet from where he was seen fishing is evidence enough. I still trust the police, but perhaps that is because I live my life wholly above the law.

I think its IS REASONABLE that guys who were caught fishing in the immediate vicinity where fish are stashed illegally were the ones doing the stashing

I find the need to provide video/photo evidence a bit much. Is the same required to prove possession in other infractions? To me a police officer saying he saw Joe Poacher stash 24 short striped bass in a burlap sack in the woods 20 feet from where he was seen fishing is evidence enough. I still trust the police, but perhaps that is because I live my life wholly above the law.

I'm pretty sure you are misstating the issue. If a cop sees someone stashing a short, that's good enough. But its not good enough if he finds a burlap bag full of shorts 20 feet from a fisherman, without actually seeing said fishermen put a fish in the bag.

I'm pretty sure you are misstating the issue. If a cop sees someone stashing a short, that's good enough. But its not good enough if he finds a burlap bag full of shorts 20 feet from a fisherman, without actually seeing said fishermen put a fish in the bag.

Exactly, otherwise it would be way too easy to "set up" a guy you don't like. For instance, I know BillyBob is going fishing at his favorite spot right after work, so I head out there before him "plant" the bag of shorts and wait to see him start fishing and then call the EPO anonymously.

If the guys name is BillyBob, shouldn’t he be fishing the CT river for catfish, sorry I know it’s a serious subject but I couldn’t resist😬
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It happens but not enough. A lure builder up there got caught poaching and lost his license for 3 years.

that same guy who sells to all the shops still? Those shops that buy from a know poacher? Those shops are just as guilty if you ask me. But guys keep buying his plugs, plus he was allowed into the collectors show last yr in Bourne.

Who was it,don’t be a pussy, put a name to it.
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Who was it,don’t be a pussy, put a name to it.
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This

^^^^^^^^^
Double this - ^^^^ Who is it?

https://www.mass.gov/decision/in-the-matter-of-derek-p-ashcroft-and-commercial-boat-permit-dmf-id-no-167437-with
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Those shops are just as guilty if you ask me.

Guilty of what? Poaching? Doing business with a known poacher?
Guilty of free enterprise capitalism?
A bit of a stretch there don’t ya think?

I’m pretty sure he must have taken his share of lumps but I am not in the loop so maybe not. I didn’t know he lost license for 3 years. Thanks Toby.
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Guilty of what? Poaching? Doing business with a known poacher?
Guilty of free enterprise capitalism?
A bit of a stretch there don’t ya think?

I’m pretty sure he must have taken his share of lumps but I am not in the loop so maybe not. I didn’t know he lost license for 3 years. Thanks Toby.
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I just don't get it what's all this concern for a poacher. The way I see it is if someone steals a TV from my house its between that guy and me. However, a poacher steals from every one. And its not just that fish, its the potential of that fish. How many times could people enjoyed catch and releasing that fish? what about the legit commercial guys or the rec who wants a fish for their family. Lastly what about the future fish that could be produced by that fish? I would never purchase plugs from that individual. Furthermore I would think long and hard about patronizing stores that sell his stuff. And if I did need something from that store I would be tempted to express my feelings to the owner. Guess I am a mean guy or an internet troll. To me its black and white.

I don't know what concern it is you are talking about. I do not condone poaching but I am not going to blackball a shop, the shop owner did not poach fish. Life is about choices, you can choose to spend your money where you want. You can choose to be mean or a troll, no skin off my back. I am glad to learn that someone actually lost a license for once.

I would never buy those plugs. Maybe he feels bad and has repented but why buy from him when you can buy great quality from stand up guys that really mean what they say and care about the resource.
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