i say no, that Pence runs with Nikki Haley.

I say yes, because he's a narcissistic #^&#^&#^&#^&
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I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection

I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection



Not If, When 👍
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why not he has nothing to lose.. and who on the right will challenge him any way for the nomination?

I just want to see how the left reacts if the repubs keep the house and senate and trump wins reelection

They'll go bonkers of they don't take the house. They've gone all-in on this kind of mob-like campaign strategy, they literally have nothing left, if it doesn't work, the snowflakes will implode, and by that, I mean completely implode.

why not he has nothing to lose.. and who on the right will challenge him any way for the nomination?

No one will challenge him if he runs again, and they'd have no reason to, he'd delivering on most of promises. The democrats primary challenged Jimmy Carter, because the country was falling apart. That's not happening now. Check your pay-stub and your pension investment returns.

No one will challenge him if he runs again, and they'd have no reason to, he'd delivering on most of promises. The democrats primary challenged Jimmy Carter, because the country was falling apart. That's not happening now. Check your pay-stub and your pension investment returns.

Well I’m retired so no pay stub to check, but I’m thankful I’m not to invested in the market, but even so I’m down 3% in one year. Not as rosey as you pint it.

Got one other word of caution for you “trillion” plus deficit.
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I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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except the peasants worked to earn their crumbs....the government is just taking fewer crumbs from the peasants who earned them...see how that works?..plus...it's better than an Obamaphone :jester:

Well I’m retired so no pay stub to check, but I’m thankful I’m not to invested in the market, but even so I’m down 3% in one year. Not as rosey as you pint it.

Got one other word of caution for you “trillion” plus deficit.
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well my whole ira is in the stock market and i love trump for it. true about the debt. he is judged by his whole term, not one year. the market is up nicely since january 2107.
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I love the announcement today that the Trump regime is going to release a mid income tax cut right before mid term elections in early November. It’s like throwing crumbs to the peasants.
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and obama did what, exactly, that helped us more? those crumbs were $200 a month to me. that’s not crumbs. maybe to you, not to this peasant. if you’re so offended by it, can we assume you aren’t keeping your extra take home pay you got from the first gop tax cut?
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It’s the irony of the timing.
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yeah, like the Kavanaugh accuser(s), the latest caravan from the south, happens all the time in politics, the "ironic timing" thing....at least this is a pleasant surprise:hihi:

and obama did what, exactly, that helped us more? those crumbs were $200 a month to me. that’s not crumbs. maybe to you, not to this peasant. if you’re so offended by it, can we assume you aren’t keeping your extra take home pay you got from the first gop tax cut?
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If I thought for a second Trump was the only reason for my retirement plan rise 1 I would be a fool. 2nd It was already going up 0n 9\30 \15 had 106 k 10\22\18 I have 136k my contributions have never changed the only time i have lost money was last month .. So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

I have much higher expectations from any POTUS.. then what my retirement balance looks like..

So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

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at least your Obamaphone still works :humpty:

If I thought for a second Trump was the only reason for my retirement plan rise 1 I would be a fool. 2nd It was already going up 0n 9\30 \15 had 106 k 10\22\18 I have 136k my contributions have never changed the only time i have lost money was last month .. So on paper Trump has changed nothing .. As for 200 buck a month From his Tax cut I know I am not seeing that ..

I have much higher expectations from any POTUS.. then what my retirement balance looks like..
congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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Nothing to see here

It’s the irony of the timing.
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Well, sometimes timing backfires

Why don’t you focus your anger on the possibility of the gop screwing with your SoCal security or Medicare.... seems like that will effect you more than focusing on warrens ancestry
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Why don’t you focus your anger on the possibility of the gop screwing with your SoCal security or Medicare.... seems like that will effect you more than focusing on warrens ancestry
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Anger??? What anger, I find the whole thing hysterical.

Although it does look like that triggered "someone" :hihi:

and you brought up the irony of Timing, she pulled this stunt to make Trump look bad, and it back fired on her. She is now a punch line.

It’s the irony of the timing.
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I wouldn't say irony
more strategic than ironic

letting the people who can use the tax cut most know about the plan ahead of the mid-term elections is smart if congress is to be able to pass it, so as long as the Right controls, it should pass. I'm not sure why even Democrats would not want tax cuts but everyone makes choices.

Well, sometimes timing backfires
Some people are told stories in their childhood that are believed to be true, others are taught to lie.

It seems the Trump family has been lying about their ancestry for a couple of generations. Donald Trump himself claimed in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal from 1987 that his father came to America as a boy, having emigrated from Sweden.

But it's not true. At least not according to the biographies The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire by Gwenda Blair, and The lost tycoon by Henry Hurt.


In their research into the Trump family, both author's have come to the conclusion that the Swedish origins was just a story invented by Trump's father. During the middle of the 19th century, Trump's true descent - German - was simply bad for business.

“In the 1940s, people, especially in the real estate industry in New York, didn't want to hear that somebody was German — so let's get rid of that. Let's be Swedish,” Gwenda Blair said in an inteview with Inside Edition.

According to the New York Times, Donald Trump even asked his father why he had to keep the lie going at the time of writing Trump: the Art of the Deal.


Henry Hurt writes that the reason for continuing the story was to not upset the Jewish tenants of Trump real estate, reports Aftonbladet.

The true story is that Trump's grandparents on his father's side came to America from the German town of Kallstadt in 1905. On his mother's side, Trump's ancestry is Scottish.

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.

Why don’t you focus your anger
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who is angry? we're all laughing :hihi:

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.

who cares?

Some people are told stories in their childhood that are believed to be true, others are taught to lie.

It seems the Trump family has been lying about their ancestry for a couple of generations. Donald Trump himself claimed in his book Trump: The Art of the Deal from 1987 that his father came to America as a boy, having emigrated from Sweden.

But it's not true. At least not according to the biographies The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire by Gwenda Blair, and The lost tycoon by Henry Hurt.


In their research into the Trump family, both author's have come to the conclusion that the Swedish origins was just a story invented by Trump's father. During the middle of the 19th century, Trump's true descent - German - was simply bad for business.

“In the 1940s, people, especially in the real estate industry in New York, didn't want to hear that somebody was German — so let's get rid of that. Let's be Swedish,” Gwenda Blair said in an inteview with Inside Edition.

According to the New York Times, Donald Trump even asked his father why he had to keep the lie going at the time of writing Trump: the Art of the Deal.


Henry Hurt writes that the reason for continuing the story was to not upset the Jewish tenants of Trump real estate, reports Aftonbladet.

The true story is that Trump's grandparents on his father's side came to America from the German town of Kallstadt in 1905. On his mother's side, Trump's ancestry is Scottish.

"I don't believe there's any Swedish ancestry whatsoever," biographer Gwenda Blair said.



So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

ironic timing...

So if Trump did a DNA test and it came back 1/1024th Swedish you'd be OK with his claims then?

for someone who isn't a fan of the "Whataboutism" you came back pretty quickly with a "Whataboutism"

I care more about his total indifference to truth than what his genetic heritage is.

Doesn't fit whataboutism definition, it's a reflection not a deflection.
Trump is the person who politicized the Pocahontas line

He too claimed a heritage that at best was suspect, but that likely he was taught to lie about.

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How about the timing of 10,000 immigrants marching towards the border just before the elections? That's a coincidence? Or are 10,000 poor people being used as pawns?

How about the timing of 10,000 immigrants marching towards the border just before the elections? That's a coincidence? Or are 10,000 poor people being used as pawns?


they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats

they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats
Hopefully that statement is not based on your understanding of who has the right to vote, or is that state tv's message?

they're trying to get here in time to vote for democrats

Scott, when I look at this party at the national level, and what I see here in CT...it's stupefying. Not only is it no longer the party of JFK, it's no longer even the party of Bill Clinton. I voted for Bill Clinton, and give him high marks on policy, low marks on his personal morals (sounds like Trump, doesn't it). Today, that party is unrecognizable as it marches further and further to the left. It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.

congratulations, you’ve made the most economically illiterate post in the history of the internet.

trump changed nothing? the tax cuts, the elimination of regulations, amount to ‘nothing’? Apple saying they are adding 20,000 new jobs is nothing?
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Trump has changed nothing for me he hasn't improved my life or my future or my children's..

when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly??

this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

you are following Trumps laser pointer over the caravan of people conservatives gotta have themselves a Bogeyman

Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% driven in large part by a sharp decline in corporate tax revenues after the Trump tax cuts took effect. how this fit in to you economically bias brain

Scott, when I look at this party at the national level, and what I see here in CT...it's stupefying. Not only is it no longer the party of JFK, it's no longer even the party of Bill Clinton. I voted for Bill Clinton, and give him high marks on policy, low marks on his personal morals (sounds like Trump, doesn't it). Today, that party is unrecognizable as it marches further and further to the left. It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.

Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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Thanks for providing the DPW stereotype line. Are you anti coffee or union?
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Thanks for providing the DPW stereotype line. Are you anti coffee or union?
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No line I see it every day and have a friend who got into sh*t every day for wanting to put in a full day’s work after going to work for my towns DPW dept, while the long time employees just wanted to get thru the day doing the least they could get away with.

I’m against lazy slackers just getting thru the day, taking no pride in doing a good job and working hard and I’m sure you know it’s not limited to any town DPW dept. I’ve also had to rely on union workers working at their own pace, dragging a two day job into a week’s grind.
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Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus.

Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars handing Obama a 1.3 trillion annual budget.

Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion, which in light of the cards he was dealt was amazing. Now Trumps huge tax cuts for the rich just raised the 2019 deficit to 1 trillion.

What are the future generations going to be handed? The budget is a major issue in my mind, far more important, than making a campaign about stopping a couple thousand desperate soles fleeing the nightmare they used to call home.

I will wager a bet that the majority of those heading north would be harder workers than those lazy public workers I seeing texting or sipping coffee in their town DPW trucks. Those are also probably the very same class of people Trump hires to change the sheets and clean the toilets in the family hotels.
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"Bill may have had some of the same issues we see many of the powerful men getting caught in, but he handed Bush Jr a balanced budget with a 236 billion surplus."

This is why I said I liked Clinton, and I think he was a good POTUS. But with Clinton, as with Trump, I care more bout results than I do about whether or not I'd want the POTUS to date my mother.

"Bush Jr gave the rich a huge tax cut and launched wars"

He gave everyone who pays taxes, a tax cut. And last time I checked, the Senate (including Kerry, Edwards, Clinton, Biden, etc) voted for the Iraq War. Bush didn't do it unilaterally. He owns it more than anyone else. But Hilary was very much in favor of the Iraq War.
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And Bush didn't launch the Afghanistan War, Afghanistan did when it helped Al Queda murder 3,0000 Americans, maybe you heard about it.

"Obama cut the annual Bush deficit down to 587 billion"

I love cherry-picking. Obama also had deficits north of 1 trillion. Are presidents only judged by their lowest annual deficit? Is that how it works? The other 7 Obama deficits don't matter?

Can't we show a little bipartisan honesty? Bush spent a ton of money in response to 09/11. Obama spent 750 billion on a stimulus package that did nothing for anybody, it was a flop. That's not all that Obama did, he helped us recover from the recession, got unemployment down and the market up. But he spent like crazy. Like crazy. He did some good things, but he added a ton to the debt, and some of it was his discretion.

As to the hand he was dealt, dealt by whom? Did Bush cause the subprime mortgage crisis, all by himself?

Bush also launched a very expensive AIDS initiative, which is credited with saving the lives of over one million Africans. Read that again, a million lives. And no one knows about it, because the media hated him. He did more for the continent of Africa than any human being who has ever lived. And no one knows. It was called the Emergency Plan For Aids Relief In Africa. Very, very few people have done more good on this Earth.

Trump has changed nothing for me he hasn't improved my life or my future or my children's..

when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly??

this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

you are following Trumps laser pointer over the caravan of people conservatives gotta have themselves a Bogeyman

Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% driven in large part by a sharp decline in corporate tax revenues after the Trump tax cuts took effect. how this fit in to you economically bias brain

"Trump has changed nothing for me"

Unemployment is down, GDP is up, the stock market is up. At an absolute minimum, that means more tax dollars which pay your salary (well deserved salary by the way) and funds your benefits. Yes it does help you. Your pensions also has some exposure to the stock market, Trump is helping that grow, he is helping fund your pension.

"when is apple going to create these jobs you throw out regularly?"

Beats me. Were they lying to make Trump look good? You think Apple does that? They also paid a one-time tax bill of $38 billion, to bring back $250 billion. That's $38 billion the feds will have to help people. It's not me who throws that fact out there, Apple is doing it. I'm truly sorry if Apple's actions don't serve your political narrative, but when your agenda cannot hold up to good economic news, perhaps you need a new agenda.

"this line fits you 100% "This story has been catnip for conservative fans of the GOP tax bill. "

So Apple paying $38 billion in taxes, and adding 20,000 new jobs, is just "catnip"? It's not actually significant? Fascinating.

"Whats your take on this ?? US deficit rises 17% " My take is the same as it was when Obama added gazillions to the debt, that it's bad. I bet you didn't complain when Obama added trillions to the debt. But there is plenty of conservative hypocrisy on this issue, but not from me.

It wasn't that long ago, when it wasn't controversial to say "if you are a man, you should probably use the men's bathroom". Today, the democrats say I'm Archie Bunker for saying that.
Because as a society we've evolved...Trump looks like he wants to reverse that. It's sad.

Because as a society we've evolved...Trump looks like he wants to reverse that. It's sad.

That's one way of saying it. Another way, is saying that we (and I'm proud to not be included in that particular 'we') are getting too stupid and amoral to survive. Can't have chocolate milk in elementary school, or straws, but condoms are OK. Hooray!!

Because as a society we've evolved...Trump looks like he wants to reverse that. It's sad.

He wants to keep evolving it. It's sad that you think evolution only continues when leftists affect society.

The leftist's version of societal evolution is the Hegelian dialectic--thesis, antithesis, synthesis. Every evolutionary societal advance is a combination of or argument between opposing views such as: thesis (Obama administration) vs. antithesis (Trump administration) which evolves into the new, evolved, social order--synthesis.

That's one way of saying it. Another way, is saying that we (and I'm proud to not be included in that particular 'we') are getting too stupid and amoral to survive.
Funny, I think giving transgender people the respect to live their lives in as normal way a possible is a pretty intelligent and moral thing to do.

Funny, I think giving transgender people the respect to live their lives in as normal way a possible is a pretty intelligent and moral thing to do.

Respect is earned, not Legislated.

I, personally, don't care what barthroom they use.

Respect is earned, not Legislated.

I, personally, don't care what barthroom they use.
I think the years of being ostracized, repressed, humiliated and otherwise diminished as humans has earned plenty of respect.

Don't care what bathroom they use either.

Funny, I think giving transgender people the respect to live their lives in as normal way a possible is a pretty intelligent and moral thing to do.

The underlying implication in what you say is that transgenders are not normal. Which poses the question--is normalizing something an attempt to make normal something that is not normal? And does that transformation, that new "thesis" in your evolution of society, eliminate any distinctions in or between genders? And would that be the end of the evolutionary dialect, or would there be the eventual antithesis to your thesis? And that antithesis can, and would, come from the left and right. From the left, the tendency to evolve would be the erasure of the normal/abnormal paradigm toward eliminating old distinctions until, sexually, there eventually would be no differences.

Actually, the left's notion of "diversity" is a contradiction. It keeps evolving into sameness in order to secure its version of social justice.

Funny, I think giving transgender people the respect to live their lives in as normal way a possible is a pretty intelligent and moral thing to do.

and the rights of a little girl to go to a public restroom and not be scared? she doesn’t have those rights? because they are bigoted?
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since "plumbing" no longer has anything do do with whether one is "men" or "women"...shouldn't we "evolve" and just have one bathroom of everyone? it would make everything much easier:kewl:

I think the years of being ostracized, repressed, humiliated and otherwise diminished as humans has earned plenty of respect.

Don't care what bathroom they use either.

Blacks,Jews,Muslims,who are you talking about?
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Don't care what bathroom they use either.

Good for you. What about a 9 year-old girl who does care? Why don't her concerns, matter to liberals?

I think the years of being ostracized, repressed, humiliated and otherwise diminished as humans has earned plenty of respect.

Don't care what bathroom they use either.

Other than bathrooms, did transgenders not have the same civil rights as normal genders?

Good for you. What about a 9 year-old girl who does care? Why don't her concerns, matter to liberals?

Well if your 9 year old girl is going into any public rest room without a parent in tow, then I’d question their right to even bitch.
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Other than bathrooms, did transgenders not have the same civil rights as normal genders?

I knew a transgender guy/gal way back in the mid-80's who had credit cards for both genders...he/she was very successful and seemed pretty unoppressed.... and it was always fun to see which one would show up

Well if your 9 year old girl is going into any public rest room without a parent in tow, then I’d question their right to even bitch.
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Would you take a 9 year old little girl into a public restroom?
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Well if your 9 year old girl is going into any public rest room without a parent in tow, then I’d question their right to even bitch.
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when my wife has
my 3 boys and they need to go, after the age of 7 or 8, they went into their bathroom and my wife waited. she doesn’t go in there with them.
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To be quite honest, women have bigger concerns about straight men almost any place, then the relatively few transgender individuals in a bathroom.
In Vermont all single user restrooms are supposed to be gender neutral.
Just don’t push the button labeled ATR if you’re a male.
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Would you take a 9 year old little girl into a public restroom?
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Had three boys and I never allowed them into a public rest room at that age without me.
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Had three boys and I never allowed them into a public rest room at that age without me.
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when your boys were 9, they were never with their mom and had to use a public restroom? not ever? my wife takes
my three boys all kinds of places when i’m at work, and she no longer takes them into the ladies room with her, that stopped at about age 4-5. the reason why she stopped taking them
into the ladies room, is that to many people, it’s normal to share a restroom with people who share your genetalia, especially if you’re a female.
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In Vermont all single user restrooms are supposed to be gender neutral.

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??

Had three boys and I never allowed them into a public rest room at that age without me.
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That doesn’t answer my question.
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Would you take a 9 year old little girl into a public restroom?
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I have baby-sat my nieces a zillion times, and I can't tell you how many times, when they were around 9 years old, I walked them to the entrance of a public women's room and waited. It never occurred to me that I'm narrow-minded for not being comfortable with a grown man walking in there with my nieces. It never occurred to be that if Willie Horton said "I'm a woman", that courtesy suggests that I hold the door open for him/her so he could follow my nieces in there.

In a perfect world, all public restrooms would be single toilet and gender neutral. But they weren't built that way originally (because the people who built them never fathomed we'd go this far over the edge), and we can't retroactively modify all of them to make it so.

So someone is going to have to sacrifice personal comfort for the comfort of others. I don't especially like the idea of asking little girls to make the sacrifice so that adult males can go into the ladies room. I don't want to see those people harassed in the mens room either, but I'm of the opinion that adults make sacrifices for children, not the other way around.

If you look at some of the designs for new gender neutral bathrooms it will make more sense.
Instead of having a room with sinks and somewhat of an enclosure around toilet/urinals, they have a common washing room and private toilet rooms with no gaps to look thru (either way).
Pretty scary apparently

If you look at some of the designs for new gender neutral bathrooms it will make more sense.
Instead of having a room with sinks and somewhat of an enclosure around toilet/urinals, they have a common washing room and private toilet rooms with no gaps to look thru (either way).
Pretty scary apparently

You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.

If you had the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a moment, you'd see it. But liberals struggle to accept that some people disagree with them, and some who disagree, are actually normal, rational, nice people. We aren't all sub-human. But in this case, you are mocking the notion that any woman could ever have a legitimate reason to not want to share a restroom with a man. Nit everyone is exactly like you, not everyone feels exactly the same way. Solipsism (the belief that everyone is just like me), is rabid among liberals.

I have baby-sat my nieces a zillion times, and I can't tell you how many times, when they were around 9 years old, I walked them to the entrance of a public women's room and waited. It never occurred to me that I'm narrow-minded for not being comfortable with a grown man walking in there with my nieces. It never occurred to be that if Willie Horton said "I'm a woman", that courtesy suggests that I hold the door open for him/her so he could follow my nieces in there.

In a perfect world, all public restrooms would be single toilet and gender neutral. But they weren't built that way originally (because the people who built them never fathomed we'd go this far over the edge), and we can't retroactively modify all of them to make it so.

So someone is going to have to sacrifice personal comfort for the comfort of others. I don't especially like the idea of asking little girls to make the sacrifice so that adult males can go into the ladies room. I don't want to see those people harassed in the mens room either, but I'm of the opinion that adults make sacrifices for children, not the other way around.

My thoughts exactly.
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You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.

If you had the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a moment, you'd see it. But liberals struggle to accept that some people disagree with them, and some who disagree, are actually normal, rational, nice people. We aren't all sub-human. But in this case, you are mocking the notion that any woman could ever have a legitimate reason to not want to share a restroom with a man. Nit everyone is exactly like you, not everyone feels exactly the same way. Solipsism (the belief that everyone is just like me), is rabid among liberals.

It’s a bunch of single stall baths off a hallway with a common sink area
They have locked doors
If each one had a sink inside so it met your idea of a bathroom it would it be acceptable wouldn’t it
Open up a little bit, you’re getting a bit rabid

I suppose the touchless restrooms with no door bothers you also
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You're missing the point. Lots of women don't want to be in the room with a man, doesn't matter if the toilet stalls go to the ground. I can't say I'd be comfortable with a woman sharing a rest room with me, but at least I know I don't need to fear of getting attacked. Women don't have that luxury.
Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?
i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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I’ve heard of straight men going into women’s restrooms and attacking them
I’d bet it’s far more common than cross dressing rapists
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Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

is a "transgender woman" a guy that thinks he's a girl or a girl that thinks she's a guy?...I get these confused...or does it just work either way?

is a "transgender woman" a guy that thinks he's a girl or a girl that thinks she's a guy?...I get these confused...or does it just work either way?
Confusion is typical for you, isn’t it?
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i’ve heard of men claiming to identify as a woman, attack and harass women in the ladies room. if you can’t foresee that this could happen, you are the most naive person who ever lived.
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Never heard of it happening. Rarely a man goes into the woman's bathroom but there's nothing stopping them from doing this already.

Have you ever heard of a transgender woman attacking another woman?

Its not about being attacked, its about the fact that it just makes some women feel uncomfortable. And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people.

Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman.

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

Confusion is typical for you, isn’t it?
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I'm usually confused and amused by the nonsense you post..care to provide an answer?

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.



what is wrong with these women???

Never heard of it happening. Rarely a man goes into the woman's bathroom

so you are what?...studying this?

I'm usually confused and amused by the nonsense you post..care to provide an answer?

Look for yourself if you’re that interested
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I’ve heard of straight men going into women’s restrooms and attacking them
I’d bet it’s far more common than cross dressing rapists
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That's what I mean, straight men. And you would make it much easier for them to get access to ladies rooms, all they need to do is say "I identify as a woman", and you'd hold the door for them to stroll right in. It's the heterosexual predators that women need to worry about. It never occurs to you that one of them would lie about identifying as a woman, just to get access to the ladies room? Seriously?

Its not about being attacked, its about the fact that it just makes some women feel uncomfortable. And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people.

Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman.

Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

"And the fact that they aren't comfortable with it is being completely ignored because they are worried about the comfort of a smaller group of people."

A small group, anointed by liberal with victim status. And I don't deny these people have a really tough time fitting in.

"Basically the fact that a Trans-gendered woman not feeling comfortable using a restroom with Cis-gendered Males is more important than Cis-gendered women not feeling comfortable using a restroom with a Trans-gendered woman."

Blech.

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Some women don't like male doctors, they just don't feel comfortable with them.

Exactly. Exactly, exactly.

It never occurs to you that one of them would lie about identifying as a woman, just to get access to the ladies room? Seriously?

I've decided to become Gender-Fluid, I figure I can claim I'm female when it's convenient so I can get into all the different Ladies Nights and get $3 draughts. :hee:

That's what I mean, straight men. And you would make it much easier for them to get access to ladies rooms, all they need to do is say "I identify as a woman", and you'd hold the door for them to stroll right in. It's the heterosexual predators that women need to worry about. It never occurs to you that one of them would lie about identifying as a woman, just to get access to the ladies room? Seriously?

Ever seen a drag queen?
You’d hold the door and never know
Probably stare at their ass also
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I've decided to become Gender-Fluid, I figure I can claim I'm female when it's convenient . :hee:

So should we start referring to you as Spence 2.0?

So should we start referring to you as Spence 2.0?

I ain’t that fluid
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Ever seen a drag queen?
You’d hold the door and never know
Probably stare at their ass also
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Where is it written, that for men to use the ladies room, they have to be unrecognizable as a man? Where did you get that from?

I've seen drag queens who had full beards, but wore ladies' wigs. If a guy is happy with a beard and a wig, I say he should go for it. But I don't want him in a public restroom with my wife, and sure as hell not with my daughter if I had daughters. You are making stuff up as you go along, in a desperate attempt to justify your opinion.

I've decided to become Gender-Fluid, I figure I can claim I'm female when it's convenient so I can get into all the different Ladies Nights and get $3 draughts. :hee:

I identify as a millionaire, so where can I get my Bentley?

Here's the difference between the parties. If I said "I am a bird", a conservative would tell me I need to see a psychiatrist. A liberal would help me knock down my house, and build a nest where my house once stood. Honest to God that's just about where we are. Liberals are just about at the point where every conceivable human impulse is to be encouraged and celebrated, the weirder the better.

the bathroom bill has been on the books for 2 years and no of the fear mongering presented by conservatives has happened ...

I work at a female correctional facility I can assure you. the women I have seen with transgender dysphoria if they walked into a men's room you would not even notice them ...

if forced to use a women's restroom all the little girls and your wifes who you fear will be attacked would be saying WTF is this man doing in a ladies rest room..


But seeing many people have zero encounters that they know of or know any of these people personally .. these fairy tales come to life until it happens in their family then their tune changes

the same fairy tales were associated with desegregation ,Gays , gay marriage and I would guess by some who are using fairy tail of we need the protection of innocent women and children from Men claiming to be a women

If I said "I am a bird", a conservative would tell me I need to see a psychiatrist. A liberal would help me knock down my house, and build a nest where my house once stood.

That is about the most accurate statement that I think I have ever read in the political forum! Perfect depiction of where we are as a country today!

Look for yourself if you’re that interested
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This is the same defense Spence uses when feeling trapped
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Where is it written, that for men to use the ladies room, they have to be unrecognizable as a man? Where did you get that from?

I've seen drag queens who had full beards, but wore ladies' wigs. If a guy is happy with a beard and a wig, I say he should go for it. But I don't want him in a public restroom with my wife, and sure as hell not with my daughter if I had daughters. You are making stuff up as you go along, in a desperate attempt to justify your opinion.
How far apart do mens and women’s rooms need to be
You are somehow under the impression that all that would happen is a couple of new signs
Yet you are concerned about sending young children into a bathroom that has a typical configuration today
Have you even looked at what is proposed for gender neutral restrooms
Your attitude towards women is very similar to conservatives throughout the world, Christian and Muslim alike
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This is the same defense Spence uses when feeling trapped
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No just when some are being intellectually lazy.
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well my whole ira is in the stock market and i love trump for it. true about the debt. he is judged by his whole term, not one year. the market is up nicely since january 2107.
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How you doing today?
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No just when some are being intellectually lazy.
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Go back to the thread,you got caught saying more stupids and started pouting. Lots of that lately but you feel cornered.
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the bathroom bill has been on the books for 2 years and no of the fear mongering presented by conservatives has happened ...

I work at a female correctional facility I can assure you. the women I have seen with transgender dysphoria if they walked into a men's room you would not even notice them ...

if forced to use a women's restroom all the little girls and your wifes who you fear will be attacked would be saying WTF is this man doing in a ladies rest room..


But seeing many people have zero encounters that they know of or know any of these people personally .. these fairy tales come to life until it happens in their family then their tune changes

the same fairy tales were associated with desegregation ,Gays , gay marriage and I would guess by some who are using fairy tail of we need the protection of innocent women and children from Men claiming to be a women

I'd imagine that your job gives you a very unique, and a very valid, insight into these kinds of things. But not all women are in prison, and a lot of normal women are uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with a man, and I don't think it's weird for them to feel that way. My brother went to Connecticut College, a very liberal private college. In the 1990s, one dorm there decided that since they were so evolved, they'd make the bathrooms co-ed. Some kids were fine with it. Some, mostly girls, refused to go in the bathrooms in their dorm.

the bathroom bill has been on the books for 2 years and no of the fear mongering presented by conservatives has happened ...

I work at a female correctional facility I can assure you. the women I have seen with transgender dysphoria if they walked into a men's room you would not even notice them ...

if forced to use a women's restroom all the little girls and your wifes who you fear will be attacked would be saying WTF is this man doing in a ladies rest room..


But seeing many people have zero encounters that they know of or know any of these people personally .. these fairy tales come to life until it happens in their family then their tune changes

the same fairy tales were associated with desegregation ,Gays , gay marriage and I would guess by some who are using fairy tail of we need the protection of innocent women and children from Men claiming to be a women

"the bathroom bill has been on the books for 2 years and no of the fear mongering presented by conservatives has happened ... "

That's actually not true, you can google it. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but there have been cases of weird men taking advantage of liberalism to gain access to the ladies room to do weird, very weird, things.

How far apart do mens and women’s rooms need to be
You are somehow under the impression that all that would happen is a couple of new signs
Yet you are concerned about sending young children into a bathroom that has a typical configuration today
Have you even looked at what is proposed for gender neutral restrooms
Your attitude towards women is very similar to conservatives throughout the world, Christian and Muslim alike
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"How far apart do mens and women’s rooms need to be"

Don't know, don't care. This is about allowing men to use a ladies room.

"you are concerned about sending young children into a bathroom that has a typical configuration today "

First of all, it's not just me who is concerned. A lot of people are, mostly women. I am responding to their concerns. You are dismissing their concerns as illegitimate.

Isn't your side saying, at the moment, that we should be believing all women? How come that doesn't apply here? Have fun with THAT.

Never heard of it happening. .

Shocker. Because they won't report such things, on MSNBC.

"How far apart do mens and women’s rooms need to be"

Don't know, don't care. This is about allowing men to use a ladies room.

"you are concerned about sending young children into a bathroom that has a typical configuration today "

First of all, it's not just me who is concerned. A lot of people are, mostly women. I am responding to their concerns. You are dismissing their concerns as illegitimate.

Isn't your side saying, at the moment, that we should be believing all women? How come that doesn't apply here? Have fun with THAT.
Have you even looked at what is proposed for gender neutral restrooms

A little bit on changing how we view restrooms and i think it very directly addresses some people's concerns
Restrooms aren’t normally given prime positions in building planning. “There’s a tendency in architecture where bathrooms get the least thought; you just work by code,” says Cassell. This is a problem on multiple levels and contributes to a lack of interest in their design. Then there are the safety concerns. As Nardella notes, “Usually they end up in the back corner of the building, the least safe part. No one is there to see them, monitor them. We should be asking: How can we make them appear better so we can integrate them into the rest of the building’s public space?” (Many new Chain store designs have the Restrooms in front)
Ultimately, these changes are relatively simple to conceptualize. And while there is value in same-gendered spaces, expanding unisex restrooms offers safety and protection to far more than just transgender people—from the mom who doesn’t want to send her 8-year-old into the men’s room alone to an elderly person who might need a caretaker of the opposite gender’s help when using the facilities. In this way, unisex restrooms address a whole host of demographic changes and design problems.

“This is just better design,” Nardella says. “Better for everyone.”

read the whole article here, it has some layouts and discussion of options
https://qz.com/933704/how-to-design-transgender-friendly-bathrooms-that-make-people-of-all-genders-feel-safe/

FYI the bathrooms at the Air France terminal at Charles de Gaulle are all unisex. No one seems to be freaking out or looking under the doors at everyone else.
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great potty talk....you guys are hilarious...impressive urinal knowledge :rotflmao: