Annnnnnnnnnnd he is crazy !

So YACF (Yet Anothger Crazy Effer) has been found, this time sending the "bombs" to 7-11 (so far) prominent Dems.

Cesar Seyac, Florida Man (pun intended), has been arrested and will face charges on this.

Good. Investigate and then prosecute to the full extent of the law.

Pour encourager les autres.

Pretty amazing work by law enforcement. Can't imagine where he got his inspiration.

Yet another crazy right winger. 😂
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Can't imagine where he got his inspiration.

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the FBI from Zeros to Heroes Suspect republican labeled crazy (code for he's not with us)


Pour encourager les autres. code for ANTIFA your next :bl:


Jeff sessions innocent till proven Guilty.. Code for remember Kavanaugh

the FBI from Zeros to Heroes Suspect republican labeled crazy (code for he's not with us)


Pour encourager les autres. code for ANTIFA your next :bl:


Jeff sessions innocent till proven Guilty.. Code for remember Kavanaugh

FFS, is anybody defending him or condoning what he did? are you responsible for anthony wiener?
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FFS, is anybody defending him or condoning what he did? are you responsible for anthony wiener?
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My post had nothing to with suggesting anyone is condoning what he did ... But I would suggest on thoses he targeted his views are not far from many conservatives impressions of them . of course Without the need to act violently towards them

My post had nothing to with suggesting anyone is condoning what he did ... But I would suggest on thoses he targeted his views are not far from many conservatives impressions of them . of course Without the need to act violently towards them

You are completely out of touch with reality.
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Was he driving Trumps campaign bus?

Was he driving Trumps campaign bus?

Haha!!
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You are completely out of touch with reality.
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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

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Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
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From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.


Laura Loomer
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So let me get his straight.

In the course of 2 days:

> An explosive device was found near George Soros’s home

> CNN In NYC is evacuated over a suspicious package

> Secret Service intercepted suspicious packages for Obama and Hillary Clinton

🤔

I’m not buying it. At all.

the 1 story on breitbart about the bomber 13 thousand comments

1st comment .. 400 likes

He is a DeepState false flag plant. They put him into action before Trump was even elected. This is the smoking gun that proves the deep state has been out to destroy Trump since day one. This guy is a communist antifa democrat who is taking the fall for money.


Ya ok I am the one of touch with reality :btu:

Wow.... just wow... Who finds or acknowledges all this nonsense? Is why I despise what political discussion passes for now. Inevitably it gets taken to the toilet.....

Imagine if all the effort put into conspiracy theories was actually directed to do some good.....

Just heard a classmate of mine also received mail.... Tom Steyer

I just received a suspicious package, looked a lot more like a bomb than this idiots "props"... it turned out my "bomb" was actually a 6 volt ignition coil and an ignition switch I ordered for a 1931 Model A....

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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

1:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018
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Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
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From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.


Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
So let me get his straight.

In the course of 2 days:

> An explosive device was found near George Soros’s home

> CNN In NYC is evacuated over a suspicious package

> Secret Service intercepted suspicious packages for Obama and Hillary Clinton

🤔

I’m not buying it. At all.

the 1 story on breitbart about the bomber 13 thousand comments

1st comment .. 400 likes

He is a DeepState false flag plant. They put him into action before Trump was even elected. This is the smoking gun that proves the deep state has been out to destroy Trump since day one. This guy is a communist antifa democrat who is taking the fall for money.


Ya ok I am the one of touch with reality :btu:

This is supposed to show you're in touch with reality?

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:rotflmao: Yes, surprising how many people on the left ware unwilling to acknowledge this.

the FBI from Zeros to Heroes Suspect republican labeled crazy (code for he's not with us)


Pour encourager les autres. code for ANTIFA your next :bl:


Jeff sessions innocent till proven Guilty.. Code for remember Kavanaugh

Are you really that out of touch? That twisted in your views that you are incapable of separating facts on the ground? That most of these extreme events and actors on both sides are, ya know, crazy?

BTW: "For the encouragement of the others" - may the other crazies see what happens when they play stupid games, may they get a roommate named Bubba for a few decades.

My post had nothing to with suggesting anyone is condoning what he did ... But I would suggest on thoses he targeted his views are not far from many conservatives impressions of them . of course Without the need to act violently towards them

And you are saying the Left harbors no destructive feelings for Trump (not a conservative) or Republicans, or Conservatives? Targeting their views are not far from many Leftists impressions of them?

Dinesh D'Souza
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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

1:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018
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Bill Mitchell
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Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
Ann Coulter
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@AnnCoulter
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More Ann Coulter Retweeted The Daily Caller
From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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@frankgaffney
None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.


Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
So let me get his straight.

In the course of 2 days:

> An explosive device was found near George Soros’s home

> CNN In NYC is evacuated over a suspicious package

> Secret Service intercepted suspicious packages for Obama and Hillary Clinton

🤔

I’m not buying it. At all.

the 1 story on breitbart about the bomber 13 thousand comments

1st comment .. 400 likes

He is a DeepState false flag plant. They put him into action before Trump was even elected. This is the smoking gun that proves the deep state has been out to destroy Trump since day one. This guy is a communist antifa democrat who is taking the fall for money.


Ya ok I am the one of touch with reality :btu:

No, actually sometimes you are not. As they are not ; ) - See BOTH SIDES :rtfm::hihi: (couldn't resist ; ) )

Yes they got him and good thing they did. Props to law enforcement on a job well done. Serve him justice and let him rot.

The following is something that could be relevant considering current events

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Letter to Nitin Nohria, Dean of the Harvard Business SchoolLife in the Anti-Trust World »
Making Everyone a Criminal
December 16, 2014, 9:49 am
From Atlas Shrugged:

Dr. Ferris smiled. . . . . ."We've waited a long time to get something on you. You honest men are such a problem and such a headache. But we knew you'd slip sooner or later - and this is just what we wanted."

[Hank Reardon:] "You seem to be pleased about it."

"Don't I have good reason to be?"

"But, after all, I did break one of your laws."

"Well, what do you think they're for?"

Dr. Ferris did not notice the sudden look on Rearden's face, the look of a man hit by the first vision of that which he had sought to see. Dr. Ferris was past the stage of seeing; he was intent upon delivering the last blows to an animal caught in a trap.

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

Here is the same thing, Obama Administration style

Major U.S. corporations have broadly supported President Barack Obama's healthcare reform despite concerns over several of its elements, largely because it included provisions encouraging the wellness programs.

The programs aim to control healthcare costs by reducing smoking, obesity, hypertension and other risk factors that can lead to expensive illnesses. A bipartisan provision in the 2010 healthcare reform law allows employers to reward workers who participate and penalize those who don't.

But recent lawsuits filed by the administration's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), challenging the programs at Honeywell International and two smaller companies, have thrown the future of that part of Obamacare into doubt.

The lawsuits infuriated some large employers so much that they are considering aligning themselves with Obama's opponents, according to people familiar with the executives' thinking.

"The fact that the EEOC sued is shocking to our members," said Maria Ghazal, vice-president and counsel at the Business Roundtable, a group of chief executives of more than 200 large U.S. corporations. "They don't understand why a plan in compliance with the ACA (Affordable Care Act) is the target of a lawsuit," she said. "This is a major issue to our members."

At the exact same moment, one branch of the Administration is encouraging an activity that another branch is working to criminalize.


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:rotflmao: Yes, surprising how many people on the left ware unwilling to acknowledge this.



Are you really that out of touch? That twisted in your views that you are incapable of separating facts on the ground? That most of these extreme events and actors on both sides are, ya know, crazy?

BTW: "For the encouragement of the others" - may the other crazies see what happens when they play stupid games, may they get a roommate named Bubba for a few decades.



And you are saying the Left harbors no destructive feelings for Trump (not a conservative) or Republicans, or Conservatives? Targeting their views are not far from many Leftists impressions of them?



No, actually sometimes you are not. As they are not ; ) - See BOTH SIDES :rtfm::hihi: (couldn't resist ; ) )


the both sides do it argument isn't cutting it ....

Who do you think listens and reads and support those people in the Tweets and False flag comments ... and accept what they say as Truth? its the Trump supporter the right has used the conspiracy theory to motivate their base for years,,

But republicans can't control the run away conspiracy Train that they put in motion its been hijacked...

And moderates republicans are being left at the station ... but still refuse to admit it's happening ..

As for Who finds or acknowledges all this nonsense?

None of this is hidden! its proudly put over the airways and the Twittersphere. easy to find and harder to defend


just had a shooting at a synagogue


Mr Trump added that the incident had "little to do" with US gun laws. "If they had protection inside, maybe it could have been a different situation,"

.. even if the question was by a reporter he couldn't help himself

the both sides do it argument isn't cutting it ....

Who do you think listens and reads and support those people in the Tweets and False flag comments ... and accept what they say as Truth? its the Trump supporter the right has used the conspiracy theory to motivate their base for years,,

But republicans can't control the run away conspiracy Train that they put in motion its been hijacked...

And moderates republicans are being left at the station ... but still refuse to admit it's happening ..

As for Who finds or acknowledges all this nonsense?

None of this is hidden! its proudly put over the airways and the Twittersphere. easy to find and harder to defend


just had a shooting at a synagogue


Mr Trump added that the incident had "little to do" with US gun laws. "If they had protection inside, maybe it could have been a different situation,"

.. even if the question was by a reporter he couldn't help himself

Another nut job, but this guy was just right out of Hitler's play book, this was a hate crime pure and simple. Apparently he wasn't a Trump fan, likely due to the fact one of the family members is Jewish.

If we get to the point every church, high school play or football game and your local mall needs armed guards at every entry point then America Isn't all that Great after all. The internet, social media, changes in society over the last decade and yes the mood in this country today is making it so much easier for those on the brink of being your next nut job gone wild to do just that.

the both sides do it argument isn't cutting it ....

Who do you think listens and reads and support those people in the Tweets and False flag comments ... and accept what they say as Truth? its the Trump supporter the right has used the conspiracy theory to motivate their base for years,,

But republicans can't control the run away conspiracy Train that they put in motion its been hijacked...

And moderates republicans are being left at the station ... but still refuse to admit it's happening ..

As for Who finds or acknowledges all this nonsense?

None of this is hidden! its proudly put over the airways and the Twittersphere. easy to find and harder to defend


just had a shooting at a synagogue


Mr Trump added that the incident had "little to do" with US gun laws. "If they had protection inside, maybe it could have been a different situation,"

.. even if the question was by a reporter he couldn't help himself


No Wayne, it is BOTH SIDES that stir the passions and the crazy. It is BOTH SIDES that profit from wedging each against the other, that makes division possible. It is both sides that profit from partitioning society into controllable and finite groups.

It is also both sides that have the crazies and bear the responsibility.





Another nut job, but this guy was just right out of Hitler's play book, this was a hate crime pure and simple. Apparently he wasn't a Trump fan, likely due to the fact one of the family members is Jewish.

If we get to the point every church, high school play or football game and your local mall needs armed guards at every entry point then America Isn't all that Great after all. The internet, social media, changes in society over the last decade and yes the mood in this country today is making it so much easier for those on the brink of being your next nut job gone wild to do just that.


^^^^

Extremists always want to blame the other side as the reason. Wayne is a perfect example of such,and yes,they are on both sides. Some are so caught up they don’t recognize their path and it consumes them. Tread carefully ye #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& idiots,fate awaits you.
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Extremists always want to blame the other side as the reason. Wayne is a perfect example of such,and yes,they are on both sides. Some are so caught up they don’t recognize their path and it consumes them. Tread carefully ye #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& idiots,fate awaits you.
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If i am your example of an Extremists who always want to blame the other side as the reason. ! you have no idea who or what an extremist is LOL

All theses comments i posted from conservatives talking heads were clear example of who is driving extremist and conspiracy theories and those who's uses theses people as their only INFORMATION source or their Truth meter

again to just say "yes,they are on both sides." is a cop out.. others call call it

The balance fallacy is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when two sides of an argument are assumed to have equal or comparable value regardless of their respective merits,


When it comes to the rights use of conspiracy theories ,,, the right has no equal !!

Another nut job, but this guy was just right out of Hitler's play book, this was a hate crime pure and simple. Apparently he wasn't a Trump fan, likely due to the fact one of the family members is Jewish.

If we get to the point every church, high school play or football game and your local mall needs armed guards at every entry point then America Isn't all that Great after all. The internet, social media, changes in society over the last decade and yes the mood in this country today is making it so much easier for those on the brink of being your next nut job gone wild to do just that.

was not associating him with Trump (well see what the investigation says ) just pointing out another of the rights conspiracy Theories adopted by Trump the good guy with a gun theory throw out pretty quick

Go back and read your posts and tell me you think they portrayed you as stable,normal....whack job #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is more like it. But if that makes you tick then enjoy. Just don’t act like you are part of the solution to anything as there is a lot of hate and finger pointing coming from you on a constant basis. I understand why you feel so scorned and defeated but the first step is to accept the blame and then move on.
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If i am your example of an Extremists who always want to blame the other side as the reason. ! you have no idea who or what an extremist is LOL

All theses comments i posted from conservatives talking heads were clear example of who is driving extremist and conspiracy theories and those who's uses theses people as their only INFORMATION source or their Truth meter

again to just say "yes,they are on both sides." is a cop out.. others call call it

The balance fallacy is an informal logical fallacy that occurs when two sides of an argument are assumed to have equal or comparable value regardless of their respective merits,


When it comes to the rights use of conspiracy theories ,,, the right has no equal !!




Violence, regardless of the source, is wrong.
Stoking fears and the unhinged, regardless of political leanings, is wrong.
Calling for Revolution or Overthrow of the Gov, regardless of the partisanship, is wrong.
Dividing people, regardless of the goal, is wrong.


You cannot see that? Or does it not apply to you? Or it only applies to the side across from you?

Go back and read your posts and tell me you think they portrayed you as stable,normal....whack job #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is more like it. But if that makes you tick then enjoy. Just don’t act like you are part of the solution to anything as there is a lot of hate and finger pointing coming from you on a constant basis. I understand why you feel so scorned and defeated but the first step is to accept the blame and then move on.
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looks like I a caught one .... :fishin:

If you think Trump is a model POTUS and he is a just a Victim of hate
when he spews his Vitriol comments without pause .. that is the problem in this country. your a jerry springer fan . you are unable to see things for what they in denial... outraged by how you feel TRUMP is being Treated but no such outrage for those on the receiving end?

there's a name for it your an enabler and there is any army of you all willing to accept Trump view for a future that closely resembles the PAST

looks like I a caught one .... :fishin:

If you think Trump is a model POTUS and he is a just a Victim of hate
when he spews his Vitriol comments without pause .. that is the problem in this country. your a jerry springer fan . you are unable to see things for what they in denial... outraged by how you feel TRUMP is being Treated but no such outrage for those on the receiving end?

there's a name for it your an enabler and there is any army of you all willing to accept Trump view for a future that closely resembles the PAST

You really seem to be consumed with this hate thing. This is the first time I actually feel empathy for your situation. I really, sincerely, mean that. I hope you're OK.

Violence, regardless of the source, is wrong.
Stoking fears and the unhinged, regardless of political leanings, is wrong.
Calling for Revolution or Overthrow of the Gov, regardless of the partisanship, is wrong.
Dividing people, regardless of the goal, is wrong.
Spence is almost always wrong






fixed it :laugha:

fixed it :laugha:


Ohhhh

Violence, regardless of the source, is wrong.
Stoking fears and the unhinged, regardless of political leanings, is wrong.
Calling for Revolution or Overthrow of the Gov, regardless of the partisanship, is wrong.
Dividing people, regardless of the goal, is wrong.


You cannot see that? Or does it not apply to you? Or it only applies to the side across from you?


It's fantastic you see whats wrong I see it as well .. what's sad is you just see whats wrong .. and it ends there..with the the line they all do it... as if somehow they negate each other.. That is what puzzles me with Trump supporters the inability to demand better from The Potus... that's what I demand but It won't happen because he only plays to his base .. he can't see past the people in his rallies .. everyone else are enemies ... you and others may not see this a dangerous.. and are allowed your view .. I dont see republicans as a threat I see Trump and Trump alone as the greatest setback in American history

looks like I a caught one .... :fishin:

If you think Trump is a model POTUS and he is a just a Victim of hate
when he spews his Vitriol comments without pause .. that is the problem in this country. your a jerry springer fan . you are unable to see things for what they in denial... outraged by how you feel TRUMP is being Treated but no such outrage for those on the receiving end?

there's a name for it your an enabler and there is any army of you all willing to accept Trump view for a future that closely resembles the PAST
I have no outrage Wayne and I don’t know about JerrySpringer. If I enable anything that seems contrary to your idea of a normal home then I feel safer.
You are off the deep end,come back when the shrooms wear off. I hope you have somebody close to care for you while you are in this condition.
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It's fantastic you see whats wrong I see it as well .. what's sad is you just see whats wrong .. and it ends there..with the the line they all do it... as if somehow they negate each other.. That is what puzzles me with Trump supporters the inability to demand better from The Potus... that's what I demand but It won't happen because he only plays to his base .. he can't see past the people in his rallies .. everyone else are enemies ... you and others may not see this a dangerous.. and are allowed your view .. I dont see republicans as a threat I see Trump and Trump alone as the greatest setback in American history

No Wayne. You are unable to see it - it is wrong regardless.

And you don't demand better from him. You come across as a a full hard partisan.

He is a tool, he does good things he does bad things. But after 2 years of wereallgonnadieresist!

he only plays to his base .. he can't see past the people in his rallies .. everyone else are enemies ...

Trump only plays to his base? so at the state of the union, when he cheered low black unemployment, which part of his racist, deplorable, white nationalist, skinhead base was he playing to, exactly? Please
enlighten me?

Did you criticize Obama for his bitter clingers comment? Did you criticize Hilary for her basket of deplorable comment? Or are you only opposed to hate when it comes from the right? Lead by example.
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No Wayne.

You come across as a a full hard partisan.



c'mon...he's a moderate centrist with only facts and truth at his disposal :rtfm:

Trump only plays to his base? so at the state of the union, when he cheered low black unemployment, which part of his racist, deplorable, white nationalist, skinhead base was he playing to, exactly? Please
enlighten me?

Did you criticize Obama for his bitter clingers comment? Did you criticize Hilary for her basket of deplorable comment? Or are you only opposed to hate when it comes from the right? Lead by example.
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Trump has been working hard to get those deplortables deplorted!
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Trump has been working hard to get those deplortables deplorted!
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obama deported a huge number of illegals. how about that? it’s ok when he rips children from their parents ( he even gets a nobel peace prize), but an offense to God when Trump does it. Care to explain? I’m all ears.
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It’s simple. Trump is a douchebag narcissist with zero likable traits.
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It’s simple. Trump is a douchebag narcissist with zero likable traits.
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feel better?...;)

It’s simple. Trump is a douchebag narcissist with zero likable traits.
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so you react differently when two men do the same identical thing, based on your biases? nice to hear one of you admit it.
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WOW the synagogue-shooter had -antisemitism-conspiracy-theories



A social media post that appeared to be Bowers’ last before the attack was an attack on HIAS, a Jewish-run refugee charity, which he accused of working to “bring invaders in that kill our people”.

AKA Soros

It also resembles recent conspiracy-minded comments by mainstream Republicans about the so-called “caravan”


On 17 October, the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz sent out a tweet that read: “Footage in Honduras giving cash 2 women & children 2 join the caravan & storm the US border @ election time. Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” While attempting to explain the tweet, he made a similar charge about Soros and the Balkans.
that's even been suggested here about the Magical power of Soros

Its very clear who is playing the Conspiracy theories Game and its not both sides ... which has always been my point

so you react differently when two men do the same identical thing, based on your biases? nice to hear one of you admit it.
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Not really. I’m just trolling the usual suspects 😂
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Its very clear who is playing the Conspiracy theories Game and its not both sides ... which has always been my point


They only exist on the opposite side because when you believe the ones on the left, then it is not a conspiracy. :rotf3:

This is a really good point though - we need a Conspiracy Litmus Test.

Ranging from 9/11 Truthers (there are some here methinks), to Obama born in Kenya, to Socialism is a viable economic model (more than a few of those here)

Did you criticize Obama for his bitter clingers comment? Did you criticize Hilary for her basket of deplorable comment?
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Because there's no comparison between those two comments and the racist vile comments that come out of our presidents and lot of his followers daily.
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racist

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someone has a favorite word :kewl:

someone has a favorite word :kewl:

Well when you talk about some Republicans it seems to fit unfortunately. Look at the comments from Caesar - a self-proclaimed yuge Trump supporter.
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Well when you talk about some Republicans it seems to fit unfortunately. Look at the comments from Caesar - a self-proclaimed yuge Trump supporter.
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no...when YOU talk about republicans you can't help yourself...and it makes you feel better somehow:kewl:

no...when YOU talk about republicans you can't help yourself...and it makes you feel better somehow:kewl:

No it actually doesn't make me feel better. It makes me feel sad for the country. You just had three instances where unhinged people had views that where in line with some of the rhetoric that comes out of Trumps mouth.
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No it actually doesn't make me feel better. It makes me feel sad for the country. You just had three instances where unhinged people had views that where in line with some of the rhetoric that comes out of Trumps mouth.
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you seem desperate....

you seem desperate....

Why would I seem desperate I don't post like you do at all hours of the day and night with snarky comments.
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Can everyone ('cept Wayne) agree that both left and right have their crazy people?

Do we need to generate a list of crazy people that have demonstrated horrible behavior and their political leanings?

I totally agree that there's not jobs on both sides
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Why would I seem desperate I don't post like you do at all hours of the day and night with snarky comments.
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that's pretty snarky :uhuh:

I totally agree that there's not jobs on both sides

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huh?

huh?


Auto-correct. Pretty sure you can figure it out ; )

that's pretty snarky :uhuh:

I might have used another word to describe my post.
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Auto-correct. Pretty sure you can figure it out ; )

Yes, plus congested from a cold and rushing to leave for the giants game.
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Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”
Yes I do think this is something the person who nobody wants to call out for his behavior is responsible for
Back in 2011, an anonymous writer coined the term “stochastic terrorism” to refer to “the use of mass communication to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable,” or, in other words “remote control terror by lone wolf.”
https://qz.com/1436267/trump-stochastic-terror-and-the-hate-that-ends-in-violence/
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Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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You want a definitive source on why a lone wolf acts, there will never be one. Do you think that anything is permissible as long as most reasonable people would not act on what is said and it’s not your fault if someone takes what you imply as a task?
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You want a definitive source on why a lone wolf acts, there will never be one. Do you think that anything is permissible as long as most reasonable people would not act on what is said and it’s not your fault if someone takes what you imply as a task?
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You might want to check with Spence about context.

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-calls-for-action-after-new-fbi-data-shows-rise-in-hate-crimes


More hate crimes were carried out in the United States last year, with an uptick in incidents motivated by bias against Jews, Muslims and LGBT people, among others, according to new FBI data released Monday.

I am sure these hate crimes were equally distributed between conservative and liberal crazy perpetrators


What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

it's weird how auto-correct affects liberals far more than it affects conservatives....

Yes, plus congested from a cold and rushing to leave for the giants game.
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That must be hard - the Giants game, of course. :laugha:

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”
Yes I do think this is something the person who nobody wants to call out for his behavior is responsible for
Back in 2011, an anonymous writer coined the term “stochastic terrorism” to refer to “the use of mass communication to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable,” or, in other words “remote control terror by lone wolf.”
https://qz.com/1436267/trump-stochastic-terror-and-the-hate-that-ends-in-violence/
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I didn't read the link. Yes I have heard the term - Stochastic terrorism - and there is something there, there. However it is not a Trump only event nor is it new.

There have been lone wolfs inspired by "something" for millennia to go out and kill and do something, worked up by some entity. The Boilsheviks might have known a thing or two about it (before they ate their young), or any anarchist group for the past X centuries. To Al Queda / ISIS, PLO, NAZIs, and everything in between. Black Lives Matter fostered this which ended in multiple scenarios of cops being killed.


Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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I wouldn't trust Quartz but some of it is correct, it just blames one side

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-calls-for-action-after-new-fbi-data-shows-rise-in-hate-crimes


More hate crimes were carried out in the United States last year, with an uptick in incidents motivated by bias against Jews, Muslims and LGBT people, among others, according to new FBI data released Monday.

I am sure these hate crimes were equally distributed between conservative and liberal crazy perpetrators


What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

What about the rise in hate crimes before last year, and the year before that, and then again the year before that??

And no the crimes are not equally distributed between left and right crazy, it ebbs and flows, depending on many factors including when the pot is stirred by bad (or misguided) actors on either side.

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”


Should we consider how people react to mainstream media BS from commentators like Don Lemon, Mika Brzezinski/Joe Scarborough, Rachel Maddow, and media comedian/commentators like Noah Trevor, Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher? Are they responsible for stirring up Stochastic terrorism?

Or political "how aboutism" such as Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi--do they stir up any Scholastic terrorism.

And your article's using Bin Laden as an example of one who stirs up terrorism--That was his SPECIFIC INTENTION. Are you saying, or more appropriately for you, are you suggesting That Trump intentionally is stirring up shootings, killings, terrorism?

It appears to me that, if you are suggesting that, using a communication forum to express it, that is a sort of stochastic terrorism--stirring the pot of the "Trump-is-a-killer/Hitler/Nazi/white nationalist/blah, blah" syndrome. Which can lead to a lone wolf to go after him or after his followers.

If you are suggesting that Trump should change his tune, I would respond that such would be a surrender to the cacophonous Anti-Trump screeching that assaults him, and the rest of us, every day. And if you are suggesting that if Trump changed, the cacophony would also, I would say that you're dreaming. The anti-Trump narrative, with its extremist accusations and characterizations, is the only thing now that the left functionally has to defeat him and the Republicans.

Personally, whatever truth there is in your article, it is, at best, suggesting one of the minimal, collateral, dangers of free speech. To curtail speech because of that danger is the beginning of limiting speech because of many other small dangers and ultimately the elimination of the very anchor of political and personal freedom. To ban speech that may offend or possibly (not deliberately) stir to violence, limits speech to the most banal and barely utilitarian use.

Which would be very advantageous to authoritarian government.

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What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

I think there's a small number of very sick folks out there (you deal with some at work, I presume). They have probably always been out there, but it's a safe bet it's easier for them to find dark things online which fuel their fantasies.

I also think our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.
Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

True. But hating Trump and hating it when America sticks its neck out to help Israel, is becoming synonymous with Democrats. When will Israel stop picking on those innocent Palestinians, anyway?

But if you want a better example of a liberal sociopath, how about the guy in Dallas who assassinated the cops, is that good enough? Or was he actually a Republican too?

Who shot Scalise?

True. But hating Trump and hating it when America sticks its neck out to help Israel, is becoming synonymous with Democrats. When will Israel stop picking on those innocent Palestinians, anyway?
Every Democrat I know supports Israel, they just don't support a blind policy to aggression that isn't sufficiently justified and Israel frequently does cross the line with the US blocking them from accountability. I've said many times the situation there is a product of all parties involved.

But if you want a better example of a liberal sociopath, how about the guy in Dallas who assassinated the cops, is that good enough? Or was he actually a Republican too?
I don't know if he was a liberal or not but it is a good case for better gun control.

I don't know if he was a liberal or not but it is a good case for better gun control.

Is it a good case for better gun control when a cop shoots an unarmed person?

Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

Your talking on the edge of provoking stochastic terrorism.

I think there's a small number of very sick folks out there (you deal with some at work, I presume). They have probably always been out there, but it's a safe bet it's easier for them to find dark things online which fuel their fantasies.

I also think our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

it's been this way for some time .. totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men , which is clearly displayed in their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives some elected some not ..

Part of a Elie Wiesel quote I saw explained my position well

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room ... and I see that as taking a neutral position...

our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

it's been this way for some time .. totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men , which is clearly displayed in their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives some elected some not ..

Part of a Elie Wiesel quote I saw explained my position well

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room ... and I see that as taking a neutral position...

"it's been this way for some time "

Our moral compass has been broken for some time, I don't think it's always been this broken.

"totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men "

Maybe.

"just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room "

What's the elephant in the room, exactly? Trump? Republicans?

"and I see that as taking a neutral position"

I don't have a neutral position on violent crime. I can promise you that my position is different than your position...that doesn't mean I don't have a position.

"their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives "

Yes, if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

The ease of access to crazy: The Internet.

Before the Internet, most of the crazy were small fish in a big pond had some push pull from, ya know NORMAL society, to curb some of the extreme tendencies and tinfoilhat stuff.

The Internet, however, allowed whack jobs on both sides to silo into their own cess pools of crazy (see Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats) and when they found these conglomerations of nuttiness, they socialized less with more normal folk that could attenuate their crazy.

Now that they have found their crazy, the crazy biug fish in these small ponds (road puddles seemingly)of crazy tried to "one up" each other in a race of who could manifesto over whom further fueling the fire making the nuttiness go from ludicrous speed straight to plaid.

"it's been this way for some time "



"their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives "

Yes, if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

you avoid the elephant in the room once again ... you and others Have failed to address once the anti jewish conspiracies and other conspiracies promoted by prominent conservatives whom I have posted their tweets and they are very clear in their suggestions .. and how they are linked to the bomber and the shooter

with a lame response .. if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

ok so your not neutral its clear is this better your silent

Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

Anti-Jewish Conspiracies? Antisemitism?

See any good college campuses lately?

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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The ease of access to crazy: The Internet.

Before the Internet, most of the crazy were small fish in a big pond had some push pull from, ya know NORMAL society, to curb some of the extreme tendencies and tinfoilhat stuff.

The Internet, however, allowed whack jobs on both sides to silo into their own cess pools of crazy (see Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats) and when they found these conglomerations of nuttiness, they socialized less with more normal folk that could attenuate their crazy.

Now that they have found their crazy, the crazy biug fish in these small ponds (road puddles seemingly)of crazy tried to "one up" each other in a race of who could manifesto over whom further fueling the fire making the nuttiness go from ludicrous speed straight to plaid.

IMHO the internet has caused much of our problems today and the youth of America are addicted to it, they fall into depression if they don't get their daily share of likes, tweets and hash tags.

Cesar Sayoc sent pipe bombs to the list of enemies provided by Trump at his rallies, which he attended and loved.
It must be that hatred is at fault, a vague hatred arising from nowhere in particular, though coming from both sides as well.
Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
Oh, the mindless hatred of mysterious vintage! Only by coming together, can we unify against properly understanding!

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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bingo.
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Trump is the best friend Israel has had in the Oval Office in a long time. Also, his daughter Ivanka and her husband, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jewish.

It is beyond insane to suggest that Trump is to blame for anti-Semitic violence. You people just reflexively blame him for everything. It's incredible to see.

Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more. And I don't know what Trump has said or done, that would make anyone think that he genuinely wants people to hurt Jews. You are hearing things that he has never said, it's like Trump is the Rotweiller and you are Son Of Sam.

And since you obviously feel his speeches matter, how come you all pretend he has never condemned racism? To you, his words only matter when he says something stupid, but when he says something valuable, that is to be ignored.

I saw Trump drink a glass of water yesterday! You know who else drank water? Hitler, that's who! Therefore, Trump is Hitler!

^ That's just about where your side is.

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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It’s sad how uninformed you are Reading the new might help .. please note I said might help
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Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more.

Where did I say Trump was anti-Semitic, you always have to make it that people are victimizing your tribe.
There is an effect when Trump launches his daily diatribe about the evil whomevers that are ruining his and your world.

Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
“I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered,” the alleged assailant wrote, moments before the murders. “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
Trump missed his opportunity to silence his critics again by attacking.
He refuses to speak to all, only his victimized base is important.
One week to go

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Again no mention from the faithful

Are you faithful to anything? Do you constantly mention things that disturb the narrative on which your faith is founded? Is it your responsibility in every instance to place Mea Culpas in the mouth of your faith?

Now if you have faith in nothing, why do you care so much?

about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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Your display of verbal gymnastics in this jumbled paragraph is a conspiracy theory accusing some whom you refer to as "you guys" of being implicit in conspiracy theories.

Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.

The President is not the only one who constantly mentions the "problem." The media does a more than adequate amount of mentioning it. Politicians, commentators of all sorts have been mentioning this "problem" for a long time. Should the "problem" not be mentioned because a Bowers might kill people? How many "problems" should not be mentioned because it might set off a nut?

“I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered,” the alleged assailant wrote, moments before the murders. “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
Trump missed his opportunity to silence his critics again by attacking.
He refuses to speak to all, only his victimized base is important.
One week to go


He spoke a strong message about the slaughter. His critics, including you, will not be silenced. You are free to speak, even if you, and the rest of his critics, are free to continuously say things that can stir up leftist hatred which might lead to violence. Your freedom to speak your anti-Trump mind should not be curtailed.

"If I had a son, he would look like Trevon Martin".

next day riots and protests.

*Crickets* here from these same people crying about every word Trump says.

"If I had a son, he would look like Trevon Martin".

next day riots and protests.

*Crickets* here from these same people crying about every word Trump says.
People didn't protest because of what Obama said, they protested because an innocent black kid got killed. I'd note the protests were planned in advance of Obama's remark.

People didn't protest because of what Obama said, they protested because an innocent black kid got killed. I'd note the protests were planned in advance of Obama's remark.

Right. Only republican words can inspire violence.

"People didn't protest because of what Obama said"

Oh, I see, you polled them all.

Right. Only republican words can inspire violence.

"People didn't protest because of what Obama said"

Oh, I see, you polled them all.
Spin this

Obama on Trevon Martin
THE PRESIDENT: I wanted to come out here, first of all, to tell you that Jay is prepared for all your questions and is very much looking forward to the session. The second thing is I want to let you know that over the next couple of weeks, there’s going to obviously be a whole range of issues -- immigration, economics, et cetera -- we'll try to arrange a fuller press conference to address your questions.

The reason I actually wanted to come out today is not to take questions, but to speak to an issue that obviously has gotten a lot of attention over the course of the last week -- the issue of the Trayvon Martin ruling. I gave a preliminary statement right after the ruling on Sunday. But watching the debate over the course of the last week, I thought it might be useful for me to expand on my thoughts a little bit.

First of all, I want to make sure that, once again, I send my thoughts and prayers, as well as Michelle’s, to the family of Trayvon Martin, and to remark on the incredible grace and dignity with which they’ve dealt with the entire situation. I can only imagine what they’re going through, and it’s remarkable how they’ve handled it.

The second thing I want to say is to reiterate what I said on Sunday, which is there’s going to be a lot of arguments about the legal issues in the case -- I'll let all the legal analysts and talking heads address those issues. The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that's how our system works. But I did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling.

You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear. The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Now, this isn't to say that the African American community is naïve about the fact that African American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact -- although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. They understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse is given, well, there are these statistics out there that show that African American boys are more violent -- using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African American community is also not naïve in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else. So folks understand the challenges that exist for African American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there’s no context for it and that context is being denied. And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.

Now, the question for me at least, and I think for a lot of folks, is where do we take this? How do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction? I think it’s understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests, and some of that stuff is just going to have to work its way through, as long as it remains nonviolent. If I see any violence, then I will remind folks that that dishonors what happened to Trayvon Martin and his family. But beyond protests or vigils, the question is, are there some concrete things that we might be able to do.

I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it’s important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government, the criminal code. And law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

That doesn’t mean, though, that as a nation we can’t do some things that I think would be productive. So let me just give a couple of specifics that I’m still bouncing around with my staff, so we’re not rolling out some five-point plan, but some areas where I think all of us could potentially focus.

Number one, precisely because law enforcement is often determined at the state and local level, I think it would be productive for the Justice Department, governors, mayors to work with law enforcement about training at the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that sometimes currently exists.

When I was in Illinois, I passed racial profiling legislation, and it actually did just two simple things. One, it collected data on traffic stops and the race of the person who was stopped. But the other thing was it resourced us training police departments across the state on how to think about potential racial bias and ways to further professionalize what they were doing.

And initially, the police departments across the state were resistant, but actually they came to recognize that if it was done in a fair, straightforward way that it would allow them to do their jobs better and communities would have more confidence in them and, in turn, be more helpful in applying the law. And obviously, law enforcement has got a very tough job.

So that’s one area where I think there are a lot of resources and best practices that could be brought to bear if state and local governments are receptive. And I think a lot of them would be. And let's figure out are there ways for us to push out that kind of training.

Along the same lines, I think it would be useful for us to examine some state and local laws to see if it -- if they are designed in such a way that they may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case, rather than diffuse potential altercations.

I know that there's been commentary about the fact that the "stand your ground" laws in Florida were not used as a defense in the case. On the other hand, if we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?

And for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like these "stand your ground" laws, I'd just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

Number three -- and this is a long-term project -- we need to spend some time in thinking about how do we bolster and reinforce our African American boys. And this is something that Michelle and I talk a lot about. There are a lot of kids out there who need help who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. And is there more that we can do to give them the sense that their country cares about them and values them and is willing to invest in them?

I'm not naïve about the prospects of some grand, new federal program. I'm not sure that that’s what we're talking about here. But I do recognize that as President, I've got some convening power, and there are a lot of good programs that are being done across the country on this front. And for us to be able to gather together business leaders and local elected officials and clergy and celebrities and athletes, and figure out how are we doing a better job helping young African American men feel that they're a full part of this society and that they've got pathways and avenues to succeed -- I think that would be a pretty good outcome from what was obviously a tragic situation. And we're going to spend some time working on that and thinking about that.

And then, finally, I think it's going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching. There has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven't seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have. On the other hand, in families and churches and workplaces, there's the possibility that people are a little bit more honest, and at least you ask yourself your own questions about, am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can? Am I judging people as much as I can, based on not the color of their skin, but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.

And let me just leave you with a final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn’t mean we’re in a post-racial society. It doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated. But when I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends and I seem them interact, they’re better than we are -- they’re better than we were -- on these issues. And that’s true in every community that I’ve visited all across the country.

And so we have to be vigilant and we have to work on these issues. And those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the better angels of our nature, as opposed to using these episodes to heighten divisions. But we should also have confidence that kids these days, I think, have more sense than we did back then, and certainly more than our parents did or our grandparents did; and that along this long, difficult journey, we’re becoming a more perfect union -- not a perfect union, but a more perfect union.

Thank you, guys.

Oh, I see, you polled them all.
OK, so over 100 protests were planned in less than 24 hours...right.

Spin this

Obama on Trevon Martin
THE PRESIDENT: I wanted to come out here, first of all, to tell you that Jay is prepared for all your questions and is very much looking forward to the session. The second thing is I want to let you know that over the next couple of weeks, there’s going to obviously be a whole range of issues -- immigration, economics, et cetera -- we'll try to arrange a fuller press conference to address your questions.

The reason I actually wanted to come out today is not to take questions, but to speak to an issue that obviously has gotten a lot of attention over the course of the last week -- the issue of the Trayvon Martin ruling. I gave a preliminary statement right after the ruling on Sunday. But watching the debate over the course of the last week, I thought it might be useful for me to expand on my thoughts a little bit.

First of all, I want to make sure that, once again, I send my thoughts and prayers, as well as Michelle’s, to the family of Trayvon Martin, and to remark on the incredible grace and dignity with which they’ve dealt with the entire situation. I can only imagine what they’re going through, and it’s remarkable how they’ve handled it.

The second thing I want to say is to reiterate what I said on Sunday, which is there’s going to be a lot of arguments about the legal issues in the case -- I'll let all the legal analysts and talking heads address those issues. The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner. The prosecution and the defense made their arguments. The juries were properly instructed that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant, and they rendered a verdict. And once the jury has spoken, that's how our system works. But I did want to just talk a little bit about context and how people have responded to it and how people are feeling.

You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there’s a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it’s important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn’t go away.

There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me. There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happens to me -- at least before I was a senator. There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often.

And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it’s inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear. The African American community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial disparities in the application of our criminal laws -- everything from the death penalty to enforcement of our drug laws. And that ends up having an impact in terms of how people interpret the case.

Now, this isn't to say that the African American community is naïve about the fact that African American young men are disproportionately involved in the criminal justice system; that they’re disproportionately both victims and perpetrators of violence. It’s not to make excuses for that fact -- although black folks do interpret the reasons for that in a historical context. They understand that some of the violence that takes place in poor black neighborhoods around the country is born out of a very violent past in this country, and that the poverty and dysfunction that we see in those communities can be traced to a very difficult history.

And so the fact that sometimes that’s unacknowledged adds to the frustration. And the fact that a lot of African American boys are painted with a broad brush and the excuse is given, well, there are these statistics out there that show that African American boys are more violent -- using that as an excuse to then see sons treated differently causes pain.

I think the African American community is also not naïve in understanding that, statistically, somebody like Trayvon Martin was statistically more likely to be shot by a peer than he was by somebody else. So folks understand the challenges that exist for African American boys. But they get frustrated, I think, if they feel that there’s no context for it and that context is being denied. And that all contributes I think to a sense that if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario, that, from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.

Now, the question for me at least, and I think for a lot of folks, is where do we take this? How do we learn some lessons from this and move in a positive direction? I think it’s understandable that there have been demonstrations and vigils and protests, and some of that stuff is just going to have to work its way through, as long as it remains nonviolent. If I see any violence, then I will remind folks that that dishonors what happened to Trayvon Martin and his family. But beyond protests or vigils, the question is, are there some concrete things that we might be able to do.

I know that Eric Holder is reviewing what happened down there, but I think it’s important for people to have some clear expectations here. Traditionally, these are issues of state and local government, the criminal code. And law enforcement is traditionally done at the state and local levels, not at the federal levels.

That doesn’t mean, though, that as a nation we can’t do some things that I think would be productive. So let me just give a couple of specifics that I’m still bouncing around with my staff, so we’re not rolling out some five-point plan, but some areas where I think all of us could potentially focus.

Number one, precisely because law enforcement is often determined at the state and local level, I think it would be productive for the Justice Department, governors, mayors to work with law enforcement about training at the state and local levels in order to reduce the kind of mistrust in the system that sometimes currently exists.

When I was in Illinois, I passed racial profiling legislation, and it actually did just two simple things. One, it collected data on traffic stops and the race of the person who was stopped. But the other thing was it resourced us training police departments across the state on how to think about potential racial bias and ways to further professionalize what they were doing.

And initially, the police departments across the state were resistant, but actually they came to recognize that if it was done in a fair, straightforward way that it would allow them to do their jobs better and communities would have more confidence in them and, in turn, be more helpful in applying the law. And obviously, law enforcement has got a very tough job.

So that’s one area where I think there are a lot of resources and best practices that could be brought to bear if state and local governments are receptive. And I think a lot of them would be. And let's figure out are there ways for us to push out that kind of training.

Along the same lines, I think it would be useful for us to examine some state and local laws to see if it -- if they are designed in such a way that they may encourage the kinds of altercations and confrontations and tragedies that we saw in the Florida case, rather than diffuse potential altercations.

I know that there's been commentary about the fact that the "stand your ground" laws in Florida were not used as a defense in the case. On the other hand, if we're sending a message as a society in our communities that someone who is armed potentially has the right to use those firearms even if there's a way for them to exit from a situation, is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace and security and order that we'd like to see?

And for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like these "stand your ground" laws, I'd just ask people to consider, if Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? And do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting Mr. Zimmerman who had followed him in a car because he felt threatened? And if the answer to that question is at least ambiguous, then it seems to me that we might want to examine those kinds of laws.

Number three -- and this is a long-term project -- we need to spend some time in thinking about how do we bolster and reinforce our African American boys. And this is something that Michelle and I talk a lot about. There are a lot of kids out there who need help who are getting a lot of negative reinforcement. And is there more that we can do to give them the sense that their country cares about them and values them and is willing to invest in them?

I'm not naïve about the prospects of some grand, new federal program. I'm not sure that that’s what we're talking about here. But I do recognize that as President, I've got some convening power, and there are a lot of good programs that are being done across the country on this front. And for us to be able to gather together business leaders and local elected officials and clergy and celebrities and athletes, and figure out how are we doing a better job helping young African American men feel that they're a full part of this society and that they've got pathways and avenues to succeed -- I think that would be a pretty good outcome from what was obviously a tragic situation. And we're going to spend some time working on that and thinking about that.

And then, finally, I think it's going to be important for all of us to do some soul-searching. There has been talk about should we convene a conversation on race. I haven't seen that be particularly productive when politicians try to organize conversations. They end up being stilted and politicized, and folks are locked into the positions they already have. On the other hand, in families and churches and workplaces, there's the possibility that people are a little bit more honest, and at least you ask yourself your own questions about, am I wringing as much bias out of myself as I can? Am I judging people as much as I can, based on not the color of their skin, but the content of their character? That would, I think, be an appropriate exercise in the wake of this tragedy.

And let me just leave you with a final thought that, as difficult and challenging as this whole episode has been for a lot of people, I don’t want us to lose sight that things are getting better. Each successive generation seems to be making progress in changing attitudes when it comes to race. It doesn’t mean we’re in a post-racial society. It doesn’t mean that racism is eliminated. But when I talk to Malia and Sasha, and I listen to their friends and I seem them interact, they’re better than we are -- they’re better than we were -- on these issues. And that’s true in every community that I’ve visited all across the country.

And so we have to be vigilant and we have to work on these issues. And those of us in authority should be doing everything we can to encourage the better angels of our nature, as opposed to using these episodes to heighten divisions. But we should also have confidence that kids these days, I think, have more sense than we did back then, and certainly more than our parents did or our grandparents did; and that along this long, difficult journey, we’re becoming a more perfect union -- not a perfect union, but a more perfect union.

Thank you, guys.

My spin is this...it's grossly irresponsible for any president, of any party, to speak this way until the investigations are complete. But Obama is above all that, he doesn't have to wait for silly things like facts to come in, which is why he could say that the Cambridge police acted stupidly (before he knew what had taken place), when what they did was put themselves potentially at risk to protect homeowners in that area.

OK, so over 100 protests were planned in less than 24 hours...right.

How do you know that more people didn't show up, maybe the most violent ones, because of what Obama said? You don't. So you are speculating, and as a shock to all of us, your speculation clears Obama of any wrongdoing.

My spin is this...it's grossly irresponsible for any president, of any party, to speak this way until the investigations are complete. But Obama is above all that, he doesn't have to wait for silly things like facts to come in, which is why he could say that the Cambridge police acted stupidly (before he knew what had taken place), when what they did was put themselves potentially at risk to protect homeowners in that area.
What Obama said was

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Not sure how any rational person could disagree with that.

How do you know that more people didn't show up, maybe the most violent ones, because of what Obama said? You don't. So you are speculating, and as a shock to all of us, your speculation clears Obama of any wrongdoing.
Yes, that free wheeling incendiary rant that Pete posted. :doh:

How you can even think to find parity with Trump's bigoted, dishonest and utterly amoral vitriol he spews daily to thunderous applause is mind boggling. Note to Jim, if white nationalists and anti-Semites are routinely praising what the president is saying, maybe there's a little fire under all that smoke.

What Obama said was

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Not sure how any rational person could disagree with that.

You do know that Not Commenting at all is also an option.

You do know that Not Commenting at all is also an option.
Yes, he could have been more presidential like Trump was when John McCain passed.
Nobody is asking for perfection, a little empathy and compassion for others is all that is needed.
But a bully can never show any weakness for fear that it will reveal his inner being to all.
There is a little baby under that facade and he's scared.

What Obama said was

"I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home, and, number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there's a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

Not sure how any rational person could disagree with that.

"But I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry"

If one of my kids refused to cooperate with a police officer who was trying to help them, I'd expect my kid to get a negative response, and I'd be angry at my kid, not at the police, who are trying to help.

"the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home"

People get arrested every day while inside their own home.

Not a syllable form Obama to suggest that the cops were trying to help, and that his pal Skip contributed to it.

"Not sure how any rational person could disagree with that"

Of course not, you get goosebumps at everything he says.

Yes, he could have been more presidential like Trump .

Hey, NOW LOOK at who is engaging in whataboutism!!

How about we have one set of standards that we apply to both Obama and to Trump? How about we honestly admit when either one of them screwed up, and we honestly admit when either does something that helps the country? Too much to ask?

I'll start...Obama did a good job helping the economy recover, he did a poor job at easing racial tensions and respecting religious freedoms when he didn't like the situation (he tried forcing Little Sisters of the Poor to provide recreational contraception as part of healthcare, they had to go to the SCOTUS to prevail).

Trump is also helping the economy, but does an awful job at not offending people with his mannerisms and his tweets and his vindictiveness.

Both of them added large amounts to the debt.

Spence, WDMSO, Pete - you should try it. I can compliment Obama and I can criticize Trump, and neither one causes my head to explode. It's called honesty. You might like it if you give it a try. You seem terrified, absolutely terrified, of even attempting it.

Yes, he could have been more presidential like Trump was when John McCain passed.
Nobody is asking for perfection, a little empathy and compassion for others is all that is needed.
But a bully can never show any weakness for fear that it will reveal his inner being to all.
There is a little baby under that facade and he's scared.

Pretty amazing leap you made there.

From Obama, 2 cambridge cops, and a professor right to Trump.

Living rent free in your head since 2016

If one of my kids refused to cooperate with a police officer who was trying to help them, I'd expect my kid to get a negative response, and I'd be angry at my kid, not at the police, who are trying to help.
If the police came to my door and demanded I get out of my own house the first thing I'm going to do is ask what it's about. He then proved he was the occupant and was arrested anyway.

People get arrested every day while inside their own home.
Not ones who haven't broken any laws.

People didn't protest because of what Obama said, they protested because an innocent black kid got killed. I'd note the protests were planned in advance of Obama's remark.




Innocent ???
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Pretty amazing leap you made there.

From Obama, 2 cambridge cops, and a professor right to Trump.

Living rent free in your head since 2016
Not my leap
It started with trevon Jim brought up Cambridge and I responded to your post
Meanwhile Jim’s head is exploding
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If the police came to my door and demanded I get out of my own house the first thing I'm going to do is ask what it's about. He then proved he was the occupant and was arrested anyway.


Not ones who haven't broken any laws.
why was he arrested? why wasn’t the cop punished? this is a state with a black governor, in a country with a black president at the time,,town might have had a black mayor. was it all racism?
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Note to Jim, if white nationalists and anti-Semites are routinely praising what the president is saying, maybe there's a little fire under all that smoke.

using that logic, i can say that antifa and black lives matter most certainly like what obama has to say, so do you hildnibama accountable for what these groups do?

lowest black unemployment and poverty ever. if he’s a racist, he’s not a very good racist.

Your side also said McCain and his supporters were racist. so it kind of falls on deaf ears at some point.
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If the police came to my door and demanded I get out of my own house the first thing I'm going to do is ask what it's about. He then proved he was the occupant and was arrested anyway.


Not ones who haven't broken any laws.

he was arrested for disorderly conduct. is there a law that says you can’t be guilty of that crime at your own address?
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Spence, here’s how an honest person processes the Gates attest, given neither of us was there.

The charges against Gates were dropped, so his conduct wasn’t that disorderly. The officer wasn’t disciplined, so presumably it was concluded he acted in good faith.

Yet Obama didn’t put any of the blame on his friend, and pointed to centuries of racism. And as always, you get the tingle in your leg at the brilliance of his words, you get weak in the knees like a kid at a New Kids On The Block concert.
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On Henry Louis Gates arrest
Apparently Obama in order to be more divisive organized a meeting between the two men, and after the Beer Garden Summit both parties involved issued statements.
Both Crowley and Gates issued post-meeting statements. Crowley commented that he and Gates discussed the topic "like two gentlemen, instead of fighting it out either in the physical sense or in the mental sense, in the court of public opinion." Gates commented that he hoped "that this experience will prove an occasion for education, not recrimination. I know that Sergeant Crowley shares this goal." In an interview with The New York Times, Gates further commented on the meeting, "I don't think anybody but Barack Obama would have thought about bringing us together [...] the president was great – he was very wise, very sage, very Solomonic." When asked for his impression of Crowley, Gates joked: "We hit it off right from the very beginning [...] when he's not arresting you, Sergeant Crowley is a really likable guy."

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Or more properly, "We are waiting for Law Enforcement to gather the facts, if necessary with the assistance of Federal Resources"

Or more properly, "We are waiting for Law Enforcement to gather the facts, if necessary with the assistance of Federal Resources"

It's not like somebody died :huh:

Cambridge cops arrested a Cambridge man, then let him go, Nothingburger. Is the President of the USA supposed to comment on these things whenever they happen in this country

Unless of course there was a great Photo Op at the end of the rainbow :hihi:

It's not like somebody died :huh:

Cambridge cops arrested a Cambridge man, then let him go, Nothingburger. Is the President of the USA supposed to comment on these things whenever they happen in this country

Unless of course there was a great Photo Op at the end of the rainbow :hihi:
There are a lot of What about opportunities there:bl:

why was he arrested? why wasn’t the cop punished? this is a state with a black governor, in a country with a black president at the time,,town might have had a black mayor. was it all racism?
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Apparently he kept asking for the officer's name and badge number and the cop didn't want to give it to him. He just few in from China, can't get his door open and maybe he's a little cranky. Not worthy of arrest in your own home when you've done nothing wrong.

Yet Obama didn’t put any of the blame on his friend, and pointed to centuries of racism.
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Actually Obama was saying that just because of a history of racism we don't know enough to claim it was a factor here. And getting arrested in your own home unless there's a damn good reason is pretty stupid.

Actually Obama was saying that just because of a history of racism we don't know enough to claim it was a factor here. And getting arrested in your own home unless there's a damn good reason is pretty stupid.

Interesting . . . so damned good reasons are not required for getting arrested outside of your home.

There are a lot of What about opportunities there:bl:

Which all the more validates what TDF said.

God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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dont change the topic were talking conservatives reinforcing conspiracy theories... which you still won't admit has happened
is this what they need to do calling for the slaughter of jews? for you to hear the dog whistle blown by some

you cant see the Soros attacks aren't just attacks on Soros the person but attacks because Soros is Jewish But then again you saw attacks on obama as just attacks ,, and none had anything to do with him being black...


here are some the Bomb responses

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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

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Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
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From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.

On 17 October, the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz sent out a tweet that read: “Footage in Honduras giving cash 2 women & children 2 join the caravan & storm the US border @ election time. Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” While attempting to explain the tweet, he made a similar charge about Soros and the Balkans.

funny you even made the suggestion Soros was responsible for the carvan

some jews think open letter to Trump

"For the past three years your words and your policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement," the letter says. "You yourself called the murderer evil, but yesterday’s violence is the direct culmination of your influence."

more caravan tweets

Twitter last week that a foundation led by George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal activist, was the driving force behind a caravan of thousands of migrants headed toward Mexico’s border with the United States.


Donald J. Trump
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The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!

https://stream.org/george-soros-hijack-christian-churches/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=MeM_l5mkyYc

Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and others stick with conspiracy theories after mail-bomb suspect’s arrest

dont change the topic were talking conservatives reinforcing conspiracy theories... which you still won't admit has happened
is this what they need to do calling for the slaughter of jews? for you to hear the dog whistle blown by some

you cant see the Soros attacks aren't just attacks on Soros the person but attacks because Soros is Jewish But then again you saw attacks on obama as just attacks ,, and none had anything to do with him being black...


here are some the Bomb responses

Dinesh D'Souza
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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

12:21 PM - Oct 25, 2018
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Bill Mitchell
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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

1:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018
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Bill Mitchell
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Wait let's see. "Bombs" sent in envelopes creating maximum suspicion (because they look and feel like bombs). You send them from the same district you are actually in. Your van is covered in Trump stickers to point of being ridiculous.

This guy WANTED to be caught.

Limbaugh, who speculated Wednesday that a Democrat may have sent the bombs because “things are not working out the way they thought” in the upcoming midterms,

This van, every window has stickers, decals, bumper stickers. There’s so many of ’em you can’t see out of these windows . . . How in the world does a van like that in South Florida not get defaced? There’s a lot of Democrats down in South Florida. There are a lot of people that hate Donald Trump down here. This guy driving that van, that van would have tomatoes all over it and rotten eggs, swastikas would

have been painted on it—any number of things would have been done to deface it.

President Trump’s favorite Fox Business pundit, Lou Dobbs, also climbed aboard the #FalseFlag train on Thursday. “Fake News—Fake Bombs,” he tweeted. “Who could possibly benefit by so much fakery?” He followed that up with another doozy: “Fake News had just successfully changed the narrative from the onslaught of illegal immigrants and broken border security to ‘suspicious packages.’”
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From the Haymarket riot to the Unibomber, bombs are a liberal tactic.

Michael Savage:

Claimed a "high probability that the whole thing had been set up as a false flag to gain sympathy for the Democrats No.1, and No. 2, to get our minds off the hordes of illegal aliens approaching our southern border,"

Frank Gaffney
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@frankgaffney
None of the leftists ostensibly targeted for pipe-bombs were actually at serious risk, since security details would be screening their mail. So let’s determine not only who is responsible for these bombs, but whether they were trying to deflect attention from the Left’s mobs.


Trump backers who have suggested the bombs are a liberal hoax:

Ann Coulter
Rush Limbaugh
Michael Savage
James Woods
Mike Flynn Jr.
Frank Gaffney
Kurt Schlichter
Candace Owens
David Horowitz
John Cardillo
Laura Loomer
Jacob Wohl
Chadwick Moore
John Lott


Candace Owens:
I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives. The only thing
‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL OUT for midterms.

On 17 October, the Florida congressman Matt Gaetz sent out a tweet that read: “Footage in Honduras giving cash 2 women & children 2 join the caravan & storm the US border @ election time. Soros? US-backed NGOs? Time to investigate the source!” While attempting to explain the tweet, he made a similar charge about Soros and the Balkans.

funny you even made the suggestion Soros was responsible for the carvan

some jews think open letter to Trump

"For the past three years your words and your policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement," the letter says. "You yourself called the murderer evil, but yesterday’s violence is the direct culmination of your influence."

more caravan tweets

Twitter last week that a foundation led by George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal activist, was the driving force behind a caravan of thousands of migrants headed toward Mexico’s border with the United States.


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
The very rude elevator screamers are paid professionals only looking to make Senators look bad. Don’t fall for it! Also, look at all of the professionally made identical signs. Paid for by Soros and others. These are not signs made in the basement from love!

https://stream.org/george-soros-hijack-christian-churches/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=MeM_l5mkyYc

Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and others stick with conspiracy theories after mail-bomb suspect’s arrest

So they believe all that. Obviously you don't. So what. Sometimes conspiracy theories (opinions) are right. Often they are not. You constantly theorize and opine on what is really in the minds of Trump and his supporters, or anyone you disagree with. Maybe you should stop doing that. Or else accept that others do the same thing without losing you nuts over it.