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Jim in CT
11-07-2018, 07:08 AM
no doubt was a good night for democrats nationally, without question. Kansas elected a democrat governor in a landslide.

CT went more blue, giving the democrats a larger share of the legislature. Which is kind of like buying Enron stock on the way down. Tolls are coming. We decided our take home pay was excessive and that we had too many teachers in public schools. Massive, massive tax hikes coming.

The Dad Fisherman
11-07-2018, 08:54 AM
Well, when I woke up this morning and saw the results, I dropped down on my knees in front of my house and Sky-Screamed "Why, Why" for 20 minutes :crying:, then I went to work and made sure I let everybody who voted Democrat know "That's NOT MY House of Representatives" :af: over and over again, then I went home sick. :yak4:

Now I just need somebody to recommend a good family owned business near the State House that I can go to so I can throw these real Sweet Bricks, that I brought from home, through their windows. :rocketem:



:jester: LOL, actually I got up, went to work, made coffee and am Adulting like normal.

Nebe
11-07-2018, 09:03 AM
I wish ted Cruz got flushed. I hate that prick.
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Cool Beans
11-07-2018, 09:08 AM
I'm just happy that we picked up seats in the Senate. Pretending to legislate by doing nothing does not impress me at all, but confirming judges does work for me. It will be business as usual for the House... we just wash and repeat the same crap every election. You can't blame either side for not doing a damn thing now, because each can blame the other.... Except the House has nothing to do with affirming judges and Presidential appointees, it's all the Senate and it looks like it may end up 54/46 or 55/45 so that will go much smoother for the next 2 years.

Pete F.
11-07-2018, 10:39 AM
I wish ted Cruz got flushed. I hate that prick.
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I thought Grandpa Munster's acceptance speech was actually somewhat inclusive. We will see what his actions are.

Ian
11-07-2018, 10:44 AM
I thought Grandpa Munster's acceptance speech was actually somewhat inclusive. We will see what his actions are.

He has no spine, he will just ride the breeze back to crazy town
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Pete F.
11-07-2018, 10:52 AM
He has no spine, he will just ride the breeze back to crazy town
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He almost lost to a guy campaigning on pretty liberal issues for Texas, he can't afford to alienate too many constituents.

scottw
11-07-2018, 12:20 PM
He almost lost to a guy campaigning on pretty liberal issues for Texas, he can't afford to alienate too many constituents.

riding the most expensive skateboard in campaign history and enjoying god status from the media and celebritydum :kewl:

Pete F.
11-07-2018, 12:51 PM
riding the most expensive skateboard in campaign history and enjoying god status from the media and celebritydum :kewl:
Pretty hard to beat an incumbent Senator, now add in past Presidential candidate.
I assume O'Rourke was not pushed on Fox and nobody in the USA has more media presence than Trump.
O'Rourke did very well in that race and Cruz doesn't want to go thru that again.

scottw
11-07-2018, 02:01 PM
Pretty hard to beat an incumbent Senator,

tell that to the ones that voted against Kavanaugh :D

Cool Beans
11-07-2018, 02:05 PM
tell that to the ones that voted against Kavanaugh :D

:humpty::agree::humpty:

Pete F.
11-07-2018, 03:24 PM
Next time Trump will be running himself, not campaigning for others 80+ times and still seats are in play.
Not quite as easy and who knows what else will happen in the next two years.

Pete F.
11-07-2018, 05:15 PM
tell that to the ones that voted against Kavanaugh :D

I thought tester voted no
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Cool Beans
11-07-2018, 05:57 PM
Is Montana one of those states that have a run off election on Dec 4th if neither candidate has 50%? because right now neither do.....

spence
11-07-2018, 09:18 PM
Is Montana one of those states that have a run off election on Dec 4th if neither candidate has 50%? because right now neither do.....
Actually he does. He won.

Anyone watch Trump’s press conference today? He’s freaking out. Just keeps getting lower and lower. I really hope he’s not making any foreign policy decisions in the near future.
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Ian
11-07-2018, 11:10 PM
Actually he does. He won.

Anyone watch Trump’s press conference today? He’s freaking out. Just keeps getting lower and lower. I really hope he’s not making any foreign policy decisions in the near future.
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You were OK with him making them in the past?
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spence
11-07-2018, 11:18 PM
You were OK with him making them in the past?
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Good point. I do think it’s going to get a lot worse.
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scottw
11-08-2018, 07:12 AM
great night for this democrat!!! sounds like Rhode Island

AUSTIN (KXAN) — A re-election celebration is underway in Pod 2 of the Montgomery County Jail after inmate number 232573 claimed victory in Texas House District 27. That inmate is known as Rep. Ron Reynolds, D-Missouri City, to the people on the outside.

Reynolds was unopposed in the race for District 27 and the latest vote totals show Reynolds garnered 47,305 votes in Tuesday's election.

Reynolds was booked into the county jail on Sept. 7.

After the 2015 conviction, a county judge handed down the jail sentence to the sitting lawmaker, but Reynolds spent the last three years appealing the conviction. Reynolds’ law license was suspended on May 2, 2016

RIROCKHOUND
11-08-2018, 07:22 AM
great night for this democrat!!! sounds like Rhode Island

AUSTIN (KXAN) — A re-election celebration is underway in Pod 2 of the Montgomery County Jail after inmate number 232573 claimed victory in Texas House District 27. That inmate is known as Rep. Ron Reynolds, D-Missouri City, to the people on the outside.

Reynolds was unopposed in the race for District 27 and the latest vote totals show Reynolds garnered 47,305 votes in Tuesday's election.

Reynolds was booked into the county jail on Sept. 7.

After the 2015 conviction, a county judge handed down the jail sentence to the sitting lawmaker, but Reynolds spent the last three years appealing the conviction. Reynolds’ law license was suspended on May 2, 2016

And in some red districts, it was what, two Rep's under indictment and a dead pimp elected?

Sea Dangles
11-08-2018, 07:37 AM
Just when the democrats gain some ground they celebrate by surrounding the home of a Fox News correspondent which was inhabited only by his wife and 4 children. Just more of the the Antifa warriors looking for justice for their party I guess. His wife locked herself in a room while security picked up talk of a pipe bomb.
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scottw
11-08-2018, 07:47 AM
And in some red districts, it was what, two Rep's under indictment and a dead pimp elected?

so no one "actually" in jail...

The Dad Fisherman
11-08-2018, 08:00 AM
And in some red districts, it was what, two Rep's under indictment and a dead pimp elected?

that could be read as they were the better option :hee:

scottw
11-08-2018, 08:44 AM
that could be read as they were the better option :hee:

I bet a lot a dead democrats voted for the dead brothel owner after he got endorsements from from bubba clinton and teddy k

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 11:22 AM
Just when the democrats gain some ground they celebrate by surrounding the home of a Fox News correspondent which was inhabited only by his wife and 4 children. Just more of the the Antifa warriors looking for justice for their party I guess. His wife locked herself in a room while security picked up talk of a pipe bomb.
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It's pathetic and SO stupid. I'm going to show everyone how opposed I am to fascism, by threatening to murder a TV host who has different opinions!

Tucker Carlson? Have you ever seen his show? He could not be more courteous or gracious to his liberal guests. How does he threaten anybody? He's as harmless as it gets. He's not Ann Coulter or Michael Savage.

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 11:23 AM
The democrats also picked up 7 GOP-held governorships. That's a big number.

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 11:48 AM
Actually he does. He won.

Anyone watch Trump’s press conference today? He’s freaking out. Just keeps getting lower and lower. I really hope he’s not making any foreign policy decisions in the near future.
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You're talking about the way he slapped Acosta around? I loved it. I criticize Trump all the time, but I loved this. It was glorious. It was exactly what Acosta had coming.

Acosta pretends to be a reporter, but constantly argues with Sanders and Trump. That's not reporting.

Costa tells Trump that the caravan isn't an "invasion" because they're still not here? Since when does proximity determine whether or not a group is invading or not? When the Nazis went into Poland, were they not invaders as they were approaching? isn't it the intent of the group that determines whether or not it's an invasion, rather than proximity?

Then Acosta criticized Trump for showing video od people ein the caravan throwing rocks and scaling walls, and Trump said "that's what happened, that's what they did, do you think they were actors?" Naturally, instead of answering, Acosts the weasel moved on to his next attack.

And the best part? When Trump was at his most angry, he brought up the way Acosta treats Sarah Sanders. I loved that loyalty, because it had to be genuine, because Trump was too angry to have been able to fake anything.

And that's what I'm trying to say, I loved the naked sheer authenticity of his loyalty to his press secretary. Acosta is a liberal weasel at a failing network, nothing more.

Slipknot
11-08-2018, 11:50 AM
Just when the democrats gain some ground they celebrate by surrounding the home of a Fox News correspondent which was inhabited only by his wife and 4 children. Just more of the the Antifa warriors looking for justice for their party I guess. His wife locked herself in a room while security picked up talk of a pipe bomb.
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I see now that the Dems have a win by one Rep. , that now we will see civility. What? Oh I guess NOT.

Wasn't this predicted by Trump?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/11/08/mob-tucker-carlsons-home-antifa-break-door-chant-fox-host/1927868002/

So they are chanting at a house "racist scumbag leave town". First of all Carlson is not a racist. The ones chanting screaming and damaging private property are the racists. This is a whole lot different than confronting him at a restaurant as it is where his family live. It is not acceptable by any means whatsoever even if some far right group did this to someone.

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 11:58 AM
Were the people in the synagogue at fault in any way? An extremist attacked them with much worse results.
Now you guys are equating Central American refugees or migrants with Nazis?
It’s okay if you do that?
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PaulS
11-08-2018, 12:08 PM
Just when the democrats gain some ground they celebrate by surrounding the home of a Fox News correspondent which was inhabited only by his wife and 4 children. Just more of the the Antifa warriors looking for justice for their party I guess. His wife locked herself in a room while security picked up talk of a pipe bomb.
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Antifa is in no way associated with the Democratic Party and in fact Democratic leaders have publicly denounced them. What a striking contrast to Trump rolling out the red carpet for white supremacists to be a part of the Republican Party. And therein lies the vast moral divide difference between today’s Democratic and Republican parties.

The right’s goal in creating this false moral and political equivalency is one thing and one thing only: It’s being done to give Trump supporters a talking point to pivot to when people raise the issue of white supremacists openly supporting Trump’s GOP. They can say, “But what about antifa?”—which replaces “but what about Hillary,” which replaces “but what about Obama,” etc.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-has-a-white-supremacy-problem-dems-dont-have-an-antifa-problem

spence
11-08-2018, 12:19 PM
The democrats also picked up 7 GOP-held governorships. That's a big number.

Maybe 8 and you forgot the 333 local seats flipped.
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Slipknot
11-08-2018, 12:25 PM
Antifa is in no way associated with the Democratic Party and in fact Democratic leaders have publicly denounced them. What a striking contrast to Trump rolling out the red carpet for white supremacists to be a part of the Republican Party. And therein lies the vast moral divide difference between today’s Democratic and Republican parties.

The right’s goal in creating this false moral and political equivalency is one thing and one thing only: It’s being done to give Trump supporters a talking point to pivot to when people raise the issue of white supremacists openly supporting Trump’s GOP. They can say, “But what about antifa?”—which replaces “but what about Hillary,” which replaces “but what about Obama,” etc.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-has-a-white-supremacy-problem-dems-dont-have-an-antifa-problem

that's rolling out the red carpet? and I'm sure you agree with that delusional opinion.

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 12:29 PM
Maybe 8 and you forgot the 333 local seats flipped.
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I was looking for that, I didn't forget anything, I don't dodge when my side loses and you know that. . DO you know how many state are controlled by each party, and how many are now split? Couldn't find that...

Those are good pickups at the state level.

PaulS
11-08-2018, 12:39 PM
that's rolling out the red carpet? and I'm sure you agree with that delusional opinion.

You were the one quoting SD who is trying to tie Antifa to the Dems. So who is delusional? I only cut and pasted - you wrote that post.

The racists on the right seem to think they have a friend in the White House and have stated so repeatedly.

scottw
11-08-2018, 12:45 PM
The racists

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you are consistent if nothing else :jester:

PaulS
11-08-2018, 01:01 PM
you are consistent if nothing else :jester:

I guess I could say the same thing about you.:as:

The Dad Fisherman
11-08-2018, 01:06 PM
The right’s goal in creating this false moral and political equivalency is one thing and one thing only: It’s being done to give Trump supporters a talking point to pivot to when people raise the issue of white supremacists openly supporting Trump’s GOP. They can say, “But what about antifa?”—which replaces “but what about Hillary,” which replaces “but what about Obama,” etc.


Which replaced "It's Bush's Fault"

PaulS
11-08-2018, 01:09 PM
no doubt was a good night for democrats nationally, without question.

A good night but I don't know if as good as expected???

Rep. held Ohio and Fl - both big.
Dems. got Wisc and can't recall if Colo. was D. before.

I was glad Collins (NY) lost. Hoping Hunter (Calif) and Menendez (NJ) would not win and King from Iowa or Idaho??.

I think people are deceived themselves if they thought Betto would win Fl. Abrams in GA and Menendez would loose in NJ.

I wanted the blond from Arizona to win - for selfish reasons:rotf3: although she needs smaller glasses.

The Dad Fisherman
11-08-2018, 01:15 PM
I think people are deceived themselves if they thought Betto would win Fl.

that would have been the biggest upset of the night, considering he was running in Texas :hihi:

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 01:15 PM
A good night but I don't know if as good as expected???

Rep. held Ohio and Fl - both big.
Dems. got Wisc and can't recall if Colo. was D. before.

I was glad Collins (NY) lost. Hoping Hunter (Calif) and Menendez (NJ) would not win and King from Iowa or Idaho??.

I think people are deceived themselves if they thought Betto would win Fl. Abrams in GA and Menendez would loose in NJ.

I wanted the blond from Arizona to win - for selfish reasons:rotf3: although she needs smaller glasses.

No, not as big as expected (maybe more accurately, not as big as hoped), not nearly what the GOP got in 2010. But the GOP was very, very lucky with which senate seats happened to be up.

But if I was a democrat, I'd be excited about how close the senate races are in AZ and TX. I'd also be scared to death about Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fall.

The Dad Fisherman
11-08-2018, 01:20 PM
Now you guys are equating Central American refugees or migrants with Nazis?
It’s okay if you do that?
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A, you have any names to put with the "You Guys" claim?

B, I know Jim used the word "Nazi" and "Trump"in a sentence without directly using it as an adjective to describe Trump, But Jim in no way was equating the refugees to the Nazis. He was using it to provide some context for the term "invasion"

Again, people wonder why the political climate is so banged up :rolleyes:

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 01:33 PM
On RBG
One would hope that the people appointed to the Supreme Court are wiser than the Democrats fears and the Republicans hopes, or vice versa.
They historically have been quite unpredictable, when you least expect it.

PaulS
11-08-2018, 01:43 PM
that would have been the biggest upset of the night, considering he was running in Texas :hihi:

voter fraud.

PaulS
11-08-2018, 01:47 PM
No, not as big as expected (maybe more accurately, not as big as hoped),

But if I was a democrat, I'd be excited about how close the senate races are in AZ and TX. I'd also be scared to death about Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fall.

Yes, should have said "hoped" by the Dems.

Rib injuries are painful. But if they happen on a Thurs. night the pain will be much less on Monday morn. Pain pills help:buds:

Inside joke.

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 01:47 PM
A, you have any names to put with the "You Guys" claim?

B, I know Jim used the word "Nazi" and "Trump"in a sentence without directly using it as an adjective to describe Trump, But Jim in no way was equating the refugees to the Nazis. He was using to provide some context for the term "invasion"

Again, people wonder why the political climate is so banged up :rolleyes:
Quite a Trumpian context, do you honestly think that the 1.5 million armed Nazis attacking Poland as they bombed their airfields and attacked their naval forces were doing so with the hope of living there among the people, or with the intent of being accepted as refugees?
What happened to the Caravan, funny that after the election it became a non issue.
The Central American issues still exist, nothing will be done to solve the underlying problems that are causing the migration. Sad

The Dad Fisherman
11-08-2018, 01:49 PM
What happened to the Caravan, funny that after the election it became a non issue.
The Central American issues still exist, nothing will be done to solve the underlying problems that are causing the migration. Sad

Well at least THIS makes sense.

Ian
11-08-2018, 01:49 PM
Costa tells Trump that the caravan isn't an "invasion" because they're still not here? Since when does proximity determine whether or not a group is invading or not? When the Nazis went into Poland, were they not invaders as they were approaching? isn't it the intent of the group that determines whether or not it's an invasion, rather than proximity?


I think the act of actually entering the country is needed in order for it to be an invasion:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

This isn’t an invasion. What Acosta was trying to say was that the administration and republican PACs used videos of people clamoring at fences and climbing over them when talking about the impending invasion by the caravan. They are hundreds of miles from our border and fences. The images they used weren’t of the caravan. Extremely misleading fear mongering in order to drive people to the polls.
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Slipknot
11-08-2018, 01:56 PM
You were the one quoting SD who is trying to tie Antifa to the Dems. So who is delusional? I only cut and pasted - you wrote that post.

The racists on the right seem to think they have a friend in the White House and have stated so repeatedly.


so thinking they have a friend equals Trump rolling our a red carpet? you cutting and pasting has to have a reason you cut and pasted and the reason is clearly not because you disagree. If Antifa is not on Trumps' side, they must be with those who are against Trump. Isn't that liberal logic?

I just call it like I see it.

I'll go back to work now, and Trump will keep getting things done.

PaulS
11-08-2018, 02:05 PM
so thinking they have a friend equals Trump rolling our a red carpet? you cutting and pasting has to have a reason you cut and pasted and the reason is clearly not because you disagree. I think he certainly doesn't dislike racists by his numerous past comments and retweets of quotes from racists. If Antifa is not on Trumps' side, they must be with those who are against Trump. Isn't that liberal logic?Not really understanding that statement but you and SD tried to tie antifa to the Dems - and it is wrong.

I just call it like I see it.So since you tried tying Antifa to the Dems. and that is not true - you are wrong and you should be glad I provided that link.

I'll go back to work now, and Trump will keep getting things done.

NM

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 02:54 PM
A, you have any names to put with the "You Guys" claim?

B, I know Jim used the word "Nazi" and "Trump"in a sentence without directly using it as an adjective to describe Trump, But Jim in no way was equating the refugees to the Nazis. He was using it to provide some context for the term "invasion"

Again, people wonder why the political climate is so banged up :rolleyes:

Lots of broken brains in the age of Trump. Thanks for clarifying what I said...

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 02:56 PM
I think the act of actually entering the country is needed in order for it to be an invasion:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

This isn’t an invasion. What Acosta was trying to say was that the administration and republican PACs used videos of people clamoring at fences and climbing over them when talking about the impending invasion by the caravan. They are hundreds of miles from our border and fences. The images they used weren’t of the caravan. Extremely misleading fear mongering in order to drive people to the polls.
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The invasion doesn't commence until they cross the border, fine. They're invaders en route. We really need to split these hairs?

Did they invade Mexico? Sure looked like it to me. Tearing down fences, climbing over walls.

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 03:39 PM
By that reasoning the "camps" that migrants, refugees or invaders are in would fall under the Geneva Convention, is that correct? And the people captured would be prisoners of war? He just opened up a whole new can of worms and I think/hope he will have a hard time getting our armed forces to commit war crimes.
This stuff has all been defined and Trump being "unconventional" is not helping.
History has shown us why diplomacy is important and less expensive than war, he can ignore history at our peril. His kids won't go to war, ours will.

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 03:54 PM
Maybe 8 and you forgot the 333 local seats flipped.
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"Antifa is in no way associated with the Democratic Party and in fact Democratic leaders have publicly denounced them. What a striking contrast to Trump rolling out the red carpet for white supremacists to be a part of the Republican Party. And therein lies the vast moral divide difference between today’s Democratic and Republican parties."

Oh give me a f*cking break. The only thing you said that's not insane, is that there's a huge moral divide between the two parties. You're 100% correct on that, but not in the way you suppose.

If I was a racist, I'd be a democrat. I'd want all blacks to live the way liberals have arranged for blacks to live in places where liberals run the show, Hartford, Chicago, DC. I'd give them all just enough welfare to avoid death, but not enough to get ahead, and strip them all of their ability to provide for themselves. That's liberalism.

Sea Dangles
11-08-2018, 04:26 PM
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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Slipknot
11-08-2018, 04:34 PM
They are Soros funded blackshirts comprised of useful angry idiots who are playing their part in the propaganda war to subvert our Republic.

Jim in CT
11-08-2018, 05:10 PM
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Well MSNBC and CNN keep saying it, so yes, you are supposed to believe it. And it's not the least bit stupid.

Ian
11-08-2018, 06:28 PM
The invasion doesn't commence until they cross the border, fine. They're invaders en route. We really need to split these hairs?

Did they invade Mexico? Sure looked like it to me. Tearing down fences, climbing over walls.

It’s not really splitting hairs... they’re not invaders until they make it to the border and then try to cross the border illegally. Until that point they’re just a migrant caravan trying to escape something.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 06:29 PM
"Ivasion" Webster definition #2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful.

Ian
11-08-2018, 06:31 PM
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 06:45 PM
Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
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This "not doing enough" is a political talking point. He has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren. He moved our embassy to Jerusalem. He has renounced David Duke several times. I don't know very many politicians that have done more.

Let me ask you directly: do you believe that Trump supports the KKK? Do you think he is a white supremacist?

detbuch
11-08-2018, 06:50 PM
What the Mainstream Media WON'T Tell You About The Migrant Caravan Crisis regarding who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

PaulS
11-08-2018, 06:52 PM
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/16189064/antifa-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right-mark-bray

PaulS
11-08-2018, 07:06 PM
They are Soros funded blackshirts comprised of useful angry idiots who are playing their part in the propaganda war to subvert our Republic.

I guess It's not only fish that take a Hook, Line & Sinker. Got any proof of this fantasy.
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spence
11-08-2018, 07:12 PM
I guess It's not only fish that take a Hook, Line & Sinker. Got any proof of this fantasy.
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I think it’s pretty funny that since Antifa is anti fascist they must be democrats.

While white nationalists are slobbering over trump like a hound dog in heat.

Just let that sink in.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 07:20 PM
I think it’s pretty funny that since Antifa is anti fascist they must be democrats.

It's not convincing to call yourself anti-fascist while acting like Nazi's and fascists.

While white nationalists are slobbering over trump like a hound dog in heat.

Just let that sink in.


So if someone slobbers over YOU that means you like that person. Just let that sink in.

detbuch
11-08-2018, 07:33 PM
This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/protesters-descend-on-home-of-fox’s-tucker-carlson/ar-BBPtkqt?ocid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

Ian
11-08-2018, 07:49 PM
This "not doing enough" is a political talking point. He has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren. He moved our embassy to Jerusalem. He has renounced David Duke several times. I don't know very many politicians that have done more.

Let me ask you directly: do you believe that Trump supports the KKK? Do you think he is a white supremacist?

No, but I don’t think he minds being supported by them. And I think he tactfully toss a line of saying some pretty effed up stuff just to appeal to them so they’ll vote for him.

I also don’t think he’s a white supremacist, but my explanation above works here too.

Now if you ask me if I mind that our country is run by someone with such a fragile ego and cheap conscience that he’s willing to pander to these people’s darkest beliefs, then my answer is yes, that bothers me and makes me believe he’s a spineless sh$thead who will literally say or do anything to make people like him.
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Ian
11-08-2018, 07:53 PM
This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/protesters-descend-on-home-of-fox’s-tucker-carlson/ar-BBPtkqt?ocid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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Pete F.
11-08-2018, 07:57 PM
I think the truth is closer to this
From the editor of The Week
When the white nationalist accused of killing 11 people arrived at an emergency room with several bullet wounds, he shouted, “I want to kill all the Jews!” The doctor and nurse attending him were Jewish, the hospital’s president, Dr Jeffrey Cohen belongs to the tree of life congregation Bowers attacked. They tended to Bowers as they would any patient. “We’re here to take care of sick people” Cohen said. You do what you think is right.
Cohen made a point of talking to Bowers, to see what kind of person would turn a AR15 on grandfathers and grandmothers and two disabled men.
He saw not a monster, but a “very lost guy” who’d listened to the “noise” telling him that white Christian America was being invaded by Jews, by a caravan of Central Americans, by foreign vermin.
Words mean things, Cohen said, Words are leading people to do things like this.
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Ian
11-08-2018, 08:00 PM
What the Mainstream Media WON'T Tell You About The Migrant Caravan Crisis regarding who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Any time I get linked to a YouTube video that actually says in its description “mainstream media”, I don’t watch it... it’s a personal rule I have
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Sea Dangles
11-08-2018, 08:01 PM
Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device If u don’t think antifa thinks they are affiliated with the libs then wake up. ButI am sure you can provide examples of the party trying to distance themselves.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 08:03 PM
No, but I don’t think he minds being supported by them. And I think he tactfully toss a line of saying some pretty effed up stuff just to appeal to them so they’ll vote for him.

I also don’t think he’s a white supremacist, but my explanation above works here too.

Now if you ask me if I mind that our country is run by someone with such a fragile ego and cheap conscience that he’s willing to pander to these people’s darkest beliefs, then my answer is yes, that bothers me and makes me believe he’s a spineless sh$thead who will literally say or do anything to make people like him.
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So, if Antifa types vote, who do you think they vote for when it's between a Republican and a Democrat? Do you think that privately Dems would mind if they got those votes? And I don't see this extraordinary effort by Dems to discredit Antifa and to distant themselves from them. And I recall, don't remember by who, some on the left trying to justify what Antifa does.

scottw
11-08-2018, 08:05 PM
pete scares me more than antifa...i hope he doesn't hear the wrong words and flip out

detbuch
11-08-2018, 08:07 PM
There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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Splain

spence
11-08-2018, 08:07 PM
People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Pete F.
11-08-2018, 08:11 PM
The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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spence
11-08-2018, 08:14 PM
The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 08:20 PM
Any time I get linked to a YouTube video that actually says in its description “mainstream media”, I don’t watch it... it’s a personal rule I have
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who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Removed the offending words. Now you can watch it.

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 08:20 PM
pete scares me more than antifa...i hope he doesn't hear the wrong words and flip out

I’m hunting this weekend with some very conservative people
They are not Trumplicans at all
The end result of Trump will not be good for the Republican Party or this country
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Ian
11-08-2018, 08:23 PM
So, if Antifa types vote, who do you think they vote for when it's between a Republican and a Democrat? Do you think that privately Dems would mind if they got those votes? And I don't see this extraordinary effort by Dems to discredit Antifa and to distant themselves from them. And I recall, don't remember by who, some on the left trying to justify what Antifa does.

Honestly, I don’t think they vote
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Ian
11-08-2018, 08:25 PM
who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Removed the offending words. Now you can watch it.

It’s not your words I was referring to... the video is from Judicial watch and literally says “what the mainstream media won’t tell you”

I am going out on a limb here and saying this isn’t the most unbiased source for information on this topic
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Pete F.
11-08-2018, 08:29 PM
You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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What are you insinuating that history counts?
Not in the world of real estate/Trump
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 09:07 PM
People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Your minimizing them as a handful (the article that PaulS posted said they were not a monolith but a part of various groups under the same umbrella) shows your bias.

And the "trying" here is not equating but associating. The constant association of Trump, or "Conservatives" with racism and white nationalism is an obvious construct for political ends. It's always a loose, fabricated connection. I'll directly ask you as I did Ian. Do you believe Trump is a racist, or a white nationalist, or anti-Semitic, or misogynist?

detbuch
11-08-2018, 09:13 PM
It’s not your words I was referring to... the video is from Judicial watch and literally says “what the mainstream media won’t tell you”

I am going out on a limb here and saying this isn’t the most unbiased source for information on this topic
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If you are only going to watch unbiased videos, then don't watch any that involve political viewpoints. Fox News (who were part of uncovering the facts in this video and broadcasting them) is not more biased than CNN or NBC or ABC. Maybe you just shouldn't watch or read any news outlet.

In this case, you're choosing to be willfully uninformed.

detbuch
11-08-2018, 09:15 PM
Honestly, I don’t think they vote
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That's incredible. But it is a convenient cop out.

Sea Dangles
11-08-2018, 09:28 PM
People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Jeff, if you were less biased and honest then you would just admit both sides do it. You have an infatuation with trying to prove one side does it more, or worse. This is where you lose credibility ,like most of the real snowflakes.
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Sea Dangles
11-08-2018, 09:31 PM
You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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Jeff, the Indians are not getting their land back and we will not be sending all the colored people back to Mother Africa. So stop.
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 09:34 PM
I think the truth is closer to this
From the editor of The Week
When the white nationalist accused of killing 11 people arrived at an emergency room with several bullet wounds, he shouted, “I want to kill all the Jews!” The doctor and nurse attending him were Jewish, the hospital’s president, Dr Jeffrey Cohen belongs to the tree of life congregation Bowers attacked. They tended to Bowers as they would any patient. “We’re here to take care of sick people” Cohen said. You do what you think is right.
Cohen made a point of talking to Bowers, to see what kind of person would turn a AR15 on grandfathers and grandmothers and two disabled men.
He saw not a monster, but a “very lost guy” who’d listened to the “noise” telling him that white Christian America was being invaded by Jews, by a caravan of Central Americans, by foreign vermin.
Words mean things, Cohen said, Words are leading people to do things like this.
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Dr. Cohen's words (noise) mean things. They might lead another anti-Semite to kill some more Jews. Referring to some "noise" that America was being invaded by Jews in the caravan could get more Jews killed.

Pete F.
11-08-2018, 09:42 PM
Jeff, the Indians are not getting their land back and we will not be sending all the colored people back to Mother Africa. So stop.
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See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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detbuch
11-08-2018, 09:50 PM
See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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Sometimes you see through the lens of what you consider the truth, other times you rely on dog whistles.

spence
11-08-2018, 10:04 PM
Jeff, if you were less biased and honest then you would just admit both sides do it. You have an infatuation with trying to prove one side does it more, or worse. This is where you lose credibility ,like most of the real snowflakes.
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By your logic both my neighbor’s yards are weedy even though one has a few thistles and the other hasn’t been mown in a year. How about a little analysis Chris. Take in a few variables and use the thinker. No honest observer can claim parity here.

As for the snowflake stuff, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.
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spence
11-08-2018, 10:20 PM
See what happens when you blow a dogwhistle
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I’m hiding the breadcrumbs.
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Sea Dangles
11-09-2018, 06:47 AM
By your logic both my neighbor’s yards are weedy even though one has a few thistles and the other hasn’t been mown in a year. How about a little analysis Chris. Take in a few variables and use the thinker. No honest observer can claim parity here.

As for the snowflake stuff, it says a hell of a lot more about you than it does me.
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Just more proof of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s turning a blind eye to their transgressions. Thanks for proving my point Jeff,your still unraveled I see.
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PaulS
11-09-2018, 10:21 AM
I forgot to say the people bothering Tucker C. are idiots.

Pete F.
11-09-2018, 10:24 AM
“The candidates who delivered the House majority largely hailed from the political center, running on clean-government themes and promises of incremental improvement to the health care system rather than transformational social change.”
NYT
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Pete F.
11-09-2018, 10:56 AM
Some People know Trump
Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino
"On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”

I know the real Trump better than most. For 3˝ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/donald-trump-says-hes-never-used-a-racist-remark-i-know-different-222314

detbuch
11-09-2018, 11:46 AM
Some People know Trump
Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino
"On Wednesday, the day after a midterm cycle dominated by President Trump’s divisive fear-mongering about immigrants invading our country, I listened as he told another of the lies for which has become so notorious. During his White House news conference he said, “I’ve never used racist remarks.”

I know the real Trump better than most. For 3˝ years, I worked in almost daily contact with him at the highest levels of the Atlantic City casino empire over which he once held sway. I saw him treat black people and minorities as inferior. I heard him say vulgar, bigoted things and I rebuked him for them. But he did not quit. Indeed, he has continued it to this day."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/11/07/donald-trump-says-hes-never-used-a-racist-remark-i-know-different-222314

I just can't get worked up by articles like this to care. The history of Presidents that exactly fit the profile of the Trump your author portrays, yet who were considered great because of their policies, dissuades me from caring about what O'Donnell thinks. Others think differently, positively, about Trump. I don't care what they think either. It is easy to create a hero or a bogyman by selecting or exaggerating or lying about things said and done.

I care about policies. About the kind of judges that are nominated. About not stepping all over the Constitution. When Trump, or any other President or politician, goes astray on those points, that is what bothers me.

detbuch
11-09-2018, 12:05 PM
“The candidates who delivered the House majority largely hailed from the political center, running on clean-government themes and promises of incremental improvement to the health care system rather than transformational social change.”
NYT
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Why are those things considered the political center? Why are they not merely political views. What's so "center" about them? My opinion is that the notion of the "center" has a perceptual quality of being good and right, balanced, solid. To me, claiming political ideas to be the center is a rhetorical trick to disparage other ideas and to promote those "centrist" ideas as the good ones.