Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.

I heard they are down to just two members...Mary and Joseph

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Daily Digit is the story behind the numbers that make our world work. Today we’re looking at the advancing migrant caravan. According to U.S. defense officials, President Trump’s move to send troops to the U.S.-Mexico border could cost taxpayers $220 million. This figure could change depending on the size and scope of the mission. The Department of Defense estimates that 7,000 troops will be placed in California, Arizona and Texas in order to stop a caravan of 3,500 Central Americans seeking asylum, but President Trump has said he wants to send 15,000 troops to the border. The president has referred to the caravan as an “invasion”; however, a Pentagon risk assessment reportedly found that the caravan did not pose a threat to the United States.

I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.

I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.

pretty much sums it up.

meanwhile the rich are enjoying those tax breaks that will equate to debt being passed to our great great great grand kids..... :thanks:

I am not sure what is sadder. That the Pres. lies to his base about the migrant hoard of jacked up thyphus and black fever infested invaders rushing to invade our country and rape our women before they die or that his base believes him.

What is sad is your selective hyper-exaggeration (a sort of lie by the standards you apply to calling Trump's exaggerations and omissions lies).

pretty much sums it up.

meanwhile the rich are enjoying those tax breaks that will equate to debt being passed to our great great great grand kids..... :thanks:

It's a bit late to bring attention to the debt being passed on to our grandkids. That debt was already achieved before Trump. And there is no way to fix that if we must continue to fund all the federal "programs" that already were in the books before Trump. Adding to what is already unsustainable by adequately funding the military, which is actually one of the relatively few but hugely important duties of Congress and the President, can only be corrected by decreasing and eliminating the host of federal programs that should be left to local governments and individual citizens.

A reminder that Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the caravan, involving many families fleeing violence in their home countries, is full of criminals and "tough fighters". He has not offered any evidence for his claims.

"The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great-but must suffer the consequences!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)


Trump: Migrant caravan 'is an invasion'

"This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!" the president tweeted.

Trump offered no evidence while claiming there are "Many Gang Members and some very bad people" traveling in the caravan.


Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process. This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 29, 2018

Questioned repeatedly about the claim on Tuesday, Trump conceded that “there’s no proof of anything” but that terrorists “could very well be” among the group. “I think there’s a very good chance you have people in there,” he said.



Vice President Mike Pence earlier in the day asserted that “it’s inconceivable that there are not people of Middle Eastern descent in a crowd of more than 7,000 people advancing toward our border.”

Pence also said in remarks at a Washington Post event that “in the last fiscal year, we apprehended more than 10 terrorists or suspected terrorists per day at our southern border.”




The administration officials said Pence spoke inaccurately. The figure he cited was the overall number of known or suspected terrorists stopped from entering the country at all ports of entry. The U.S. maintains a global watch list of people with suspected terrorist connections who can be prevented from entering.

A reminder that Mr Trump has repeatedly said that the caravan, involving many families fleeing violence in their home countries, is full of criminals and "tough fighters". He has not offered any evidence for his claims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Presidential Proclamation Addressing Mass Migration Through the Southern Border of the United States
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The United States expects the arrival at the border between the United States and Mexico (southern border) of a substantial number of aliens primarily from Central America who appear to have no lawful basis for admission into our country. They are traveling in large, organized groups through Mexico and reportedly intend to enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and to seek asylum, despite the fact that, based on past experience, a significant majority will not be eligible for or be granted that benefit. Many entered Mexico unlawfully — some with violence — and have rejected opportunities to apply for asylum and benefits in Mexico. The arrival of large numbers of aliens will contribute to the overloading of our immigration and asylum system and to the release of thousands of aliens into the interior of the United States. The continuing and threatened mass migration of aliens with no basis for admission into the United States through our southern border has precipitated a crisis and undermines the integrity of our borders. I therefore must take immediate action to protect the national interest, and to maintain the effectiveness of the asylum system for legitimate asylum seekers who demonstrate that they have fled persecution and warrant the many special benefits associated with asylum.

In recent weeks, an average of approximately 2,000 inadmissible aliens have entered each day at our southern border. In Fiscal Year 2018 overall, 124,511 aliens were found inadmissible at ports of entry on the southern border, while 396,579 aliens were apprehended entering the United States unlawfully between such ports of entry. The great number of aliens who cross unlawfully into the United States through the southern border consumes tremendous resources as the Government seeks to surveil, apprehend, screen, process, and detain them.

Aliens who enter the United States unlawfully or without proper documentation and are subject to expedited removal may avoid being promptly removed by demonstrating, during an initial screening process, a credible fear of persecution or torture. Approximately 2 decades ago, most aliens deemed inadmissible at a port of entry or apprehended after unlawfully entering the United States through the southern border were single adults who were promptly returned to Mexico, and very few asserted a fear of return. Since then, however, there has been a massive increase in fear-of-persecution or torture claims by aliens who enter the United States through the southern border. The vast majority of such aliens are found to satisfy the credible-fear threshold, although only a fraction of the claimants whose claims are adjudicated ultimately qualify for asylum or other protection. Aliens found to have a credible fear are often released into the interior of the United States, as a result of a lack of detention space and a variety of other legal and practical difficulties, pending adjudication of their claims in a full removal proceeding in immigration court. The immigration adjudication process often takes years to complete because of the growing volume of claims and because of the need to expedite proceedings for detained aliens. During that time, many released aliens fail to appear for hearings, do not comply with subsequent orders of removal, or are difficult to locate and remove.

Members of family units pose particular challenges. The Federal Government lacks sufficient facilities to house families together. Virtually all members of family units who enter the United States through the southern border, unlawfully or without proper documentation, and that are found to have a credible fear of persecution, are thus released into the United States. Against this backdrop of near-assurance of release, the number of such aliens traveling as family units who enter through the southern border and claim a credible fear of persecution has greatly increased. And large numbers of family units decide to make the dangerous and unlawful border crossing with their children.

The United States has a long and proud history of offering protection to aliens who are fleeing persecution and torture and who qualify under the standards articulated in our immigration laws, including through our asylum system and the Refugee Admissions Program. But our system is being overwhelmed by migration through our southern border. Crossing the border to avoid detection and then, if apprehended, claiming a fear of persecution is in too many instances an avenue to near-automatic release into the interior of the United States. Once released, such aliens are very difficult to remove. An additional influx of large groups of aliens arriving at once through the southern border would add tremendous strain to an already taxed system, especially if they avoid orderly processing by unlawfully crossing the southern border.

The entry of large numbers of aliens into the United States unlawfully between ports of entry on the southern border is contrary to the national interest, and our law has long recognized that aliens who seek to lawfully enter the United States must do so at ports of entry. Unlawful entry puts lives of both law enforcement and aliens at risk. By contrast, entry at ports of entry at the southern border allows for orderly processing, which enables the efficient deployment of law enforcement resources across our vast southern border.

Failing to take immediate action to stem the mass migration the United States is currently experiencing and anticipating would only encourage additional mass unlawful migration and further overwhelming of the system.

Other presidents have taken strong action to prevent mass migration. In Proclamation 4865 of September 29, 1981 (High Seas Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to an influx of Haitian nationals traveling to the United States by sea, President Reagan suspended the entry of undocumented aliens from the high seas and ordered the Coast Guard to intercept such aliens before they reached United States shores and to return them to their point of origin. In Executive Order 12807 of May 24, 1992 (Interdiction of Illegal Aliens), in response to a dramatic increase in the unlawful mass migration of Haitian nationals to the United States, President Bush ordered additional measures to interdict such Haitian nationals and return them to their home country. The Supreme Court upheld the legality of those measures in Sale v. Haitian Centers Council, Inc., 509 U.S. 155 (1993).

I am similarly acting to suspend, for a limited period, the entry of certain aliens in order to address the problem of large numbers of aliens traveling through Mexico to enter our country unlawfully or without proper documentation. I am tailoring the suspension to channel these aliens to ports of entry, so that, if they enter the United States, they do so in an orderly and controlled manner instead of unlawfully. Under this suspension, aliens entering through the southern border, even those without proper documentation, may, consistent with this proclamation, avail themselves of our asylum system, provided that they properly present themselves for inspection at a port of entry. In anticipation of a large group of aliens arriving in the coming weeks, I am directing the Secretary of Homeland Security to commit additional resources to support our ports of entry at the southern border to assist in processing those aliens — and all others arriving at our ports of entry — as efficiently as possible.

But aliens who enter the United States unlawfully through the southern border in contravention of this proclamation will be ineligible to be granted asylum under the regulation promulgated by the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security that became effective earlier today. Those aliens may, however, still seek other forms of protection from persecution or torture. In addition, this limited suspension will facilitate ongoing negotiations with Mexico and other countries regarding appropriate cooperative arrangements to prevent unlawful mass migration to the United States through the southern border. Thus, this proclamation is also necessary to manage and conduct the foreign affairs of the United States effectively.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, DONALD J. TRUMP, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including sections 212(f) and 215(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1182(f) and 1185(a), respectively) hereby find that, absent the measures set forth in this proclamation, the entry into the United States of persons described in section 1 of this proclamation would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and that their entry should be subject to certain restrictions, limitations, and exceptions. I therefore hereby proclaim the following:

Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. The entry of any alien into the United States across the international boundary between the United States and Mexico is hereby suspended and limited, subject to section 2 of this proclamation. That suspension and limitation shall expire 90 days after the date of this proclamation or the date on which an agreement permits the United States to remove aliens to Mexico in compliance with the terms of section 208(a)(2)(A) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1158(a)(2)(A)), whichever is earlier.

Sec. 2. Scope and Implementation of Suspension and Limitation on Entry. (a) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall apply only to aliens who enter the United States after the date of this proclamation.

(b) The suspension and limitation on entry pursuant to section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to any alien who enters the United States at a port of entry and properly presents for inspection, or to any lawful permanent resident of the United States.

(c) Nothing in this proclamation shall limit an alien entering the United States from being considered for withholding of removal under section 241(b)(3) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1231(b)(3)) or protection pursuant to the regulations promulgated under the authority of the implementing legislation regarding the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, or limit the statutory processes afforded to unaccompanied alien children upon entering the United States under section 279 of title 6, United States Code, and section 1232 of title 8, United States Code.

(d) No later than 90 days after the date of this proclamation, the Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall jointly submit to the President, through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, a recommendation on whether an extension or renewal of the suspension or limitation on entry in section 1 of this proclamation is in the interests of the United States.

Sec. 3. Interdiction. The Secretary of State and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall consult with the Government of Mexico regarding appropriate steps — consistent with applicable law and the foreign policy, national security, and public-safety interests of the United States — to address the approach of large groups of aliens traveling through Mexico with the intent of entering the United States unlawfully, including efforts to deter, dissuade, and return such aliens before they physically enter United States territory through the southern border.

Sec. 4. Severability. It is the policy of the United States to enforce this proclamation to the maximum extent possible to advance the interests of the United States. Accordingly:

(a) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid, the remainder of this proclamation and the application of its other provisions to any other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby; and

(b) if any provision of this proclamation, or the application of any provision to any person or circumstance, is held to be invalid because of the failure to follow certain procedures, the relevant executive branch officials shall implement those procedural requirements to conform with existing law and with any applicable court orders.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This proclamation shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This proclamation is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this
ninth day of November, in the year of our Lord two thousand eighteen, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-third.

DONALD J. TRUMP

“No lawful reason for entry”

BS- they are looking to apply for asylum.
That’s a big difference from trying to sneak in.
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Stephen Miller's hand shows there.
His family is ashamed.
All the rest of America should be also.

“No lawful reason for entry”

BS- they are looking to apply for asylum.
That’s a big difference from trying to sneak in.
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I'd wonder if 99% of this is already existing law.

We’re screwed... the snowflake gay ones got here first...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/lgbt-members-of-migrant-caravan-reach-us-border-say-they-endured-verbal-abuse-by-other-migrants
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Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.

as predicted

Not a peep about it since the election.

Fear buys votes I guess.

Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.

Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.
Every time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.53c932f81d23
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Every time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/?utm_term=.53c932f81d23
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Newsflash, police have to use their guns once in awhile.

This link really didn't refute what I posted either.

Kinda like the lack of "Innocent black men being gunned down by the police" stories since the 2016 election ended.
Still in the news quite a bit, especially the officers being held to account.
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Still in the news quite a bit, especially the officers being held to account.
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No it's not, it used to be an almost weekly occurence on CNN's website for a solid year leading up to the 2016 election. They were interviewing parents and covering the protests in the streets, after the election, barely a mention.

No it's not, it used to be an almost weekly occurence on CNN's website for a solid year leading up to the 2016 election. They were interviewing parents and covering the protests in the streets, after the election, barely a mention.

Drowned out by President Foot-in-Mouth, elections and wildfires as well... ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quz5A87Oqgc

The racist, white nationalist, Nazi,misogynist who hates dark skinned immigrants, DJT (who doesn't do anything) at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmKnSbfihZM

The racist, white nationalist, Nazi,misogynist who hates dark skinned immigrants, DJT (who doesn't do anything) at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmKnSbfihZM

Was he drunk?
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Was he drunk?
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Sure. You know . . . like . . . with power. Was probably seething with anger and stamping his foot that he had to fake it, or maybe enjoying the fakery since he always lies. Was secretly thinking, while faking his speechifying, of a way he could deport all these brown skins, even the ones behind and around him whom he had appointed to administrative posts.

Sure. You know . . . like . . . with power. Was probably seething with anger and stamping his foot that he had to fake it, or maybe enjoying the fakery since he always lies. Was secretly thinking, while faking his speechifying, of a way he could deport all these brown skins, even the ones behind and around him whom he had appointed to administrative posts.

He’s so inclusive, it really is impressive.
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He’s so inclusive, it really is impressive.
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So the video doesn't fit your preferred narrative?

The racist, white nationalist, Nazi,misogynist who hates dark skinned immigrants, DJT (who doesn't do anything) at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmKnSbfihZM



once again distracted by Trump's laser pointer ... you love your little snap shots of Trump appearing to be presidential ... while willfully ignoring the totality of his actions and statements outside stage events such as theses ... another email inspired youtube video for a target audience

some comments on the page

Trump is looking younger, most President’s age so fast in office! He is anointed by God������������

President Trump is going to fix the whole world....let us give thanks to God for this

188

Thank GOD for a great, magnanimous, transparent "real" authentic lover of all races and our Nation, President.

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The dems are the evil and President Trump is the LIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

they sound as if they are in a cult...

so no other POTUS has held such events ? with little fan fair or media coverage ..... say it ain't so

He spoke with such conviction. I mean he didn’t have to read a pre written speach or even pAuse to find his place.
So presidential. Bravo mister Trump!
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once again distracted by Trump's laser pointer ...

I was not distracted. I was focusing in with my laser pointer to catch him being impolite or disrespectful to brown skinned people. To see if he stomped his foot in a fit of anger at having to host such a group of foreign looking darkies. He was comfortable with them and praised them. And he willingly, politely, respectfully, and genuinely joined in their cultural celebration, and through it became, for the moment, joined as one people.

Your remark about the laser pointer gets me to wondering if your pointer is stuck up your Butt.

you love your little snap shots of Trump appearing to be presidential ...

You seem very agitated by them. To hate them and try to belittle them, to destroy them. Perhaps the point of your pointer is twisted inward and is giving you butt hurt? Might be better to remove it and expose it to the wide open space and light of things hidden to you . . . or which you purposely avoid.

while willfully ignoring the totality of his actions and statements outside stage events such as theses ...

How could I be unaware of his actions and statements with which you and others daily fill the stage of this forum. On the contrary, rather than ignoring the totality, I am filling in the missing parts, the missing scenes of your drama. I'm plugging in things that you willfully avoid and dismiss.

I'm using my pointer to direct you to those things that Make the totality closer to being actually total. But if you insist on keeping yours stuck in that dark place of your nether innards, your efforts will appear to many to be imbalanced, extreme--like some painful constipation that needs release.

another email inspired youtube video for a target audience

Again, your anal, butt-stuck laser pointer, tunnel vision deters you from seeing the total truth. In truth, the video did not arrive in my email. Actually, it is posted on the world wide net and is targeted to all who seek to expand their understanding about that which they presume to speak.

some comments on the page


Of course . . . if your version of totality hasn't totally destroyed the little gleam of truth, discredit it by using your fake, poop-coated pointer to guide us to the turds in the comment section.

Of course . . . if your version of totality hasn't totally destroyed the little gleam of truth, discredit it by using your fake, poop-coated pointer to guide us to the turds in the comment section.

Clearly you are in the club that see that clip as something to be praised showered with accolades.. which was posted with the those who feel Trump is persecuted as the target audience ...

What I see in the clip is a POTUS doing what he should be doing anyway ..just like those who came before him have .. it's their duty to recognize such things .... he deserves no praise for doing what right to start with.

these events are seen by many as window dressing and hollow gestures.. Because of Trumps endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for the office in which he sits making such events appear insincere

Trump can only cry wolf so many times ... people have already stopped listening

Clearly you are in the club that see that clip as something to be praised showered with accolades.. which was posted with the those who feel Trump is persecuted as the target audience ...

I see it as part of the totality that you are unable or unwilling to see. It deserves no accolades. For me it merely is what it is. Just as Trump's negatives are what they are. I don't consider it necessary to belong to a club to see things as they are. Perhaps you do. Perhaps you're in the club that can only see his negatives . . . and must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist. You likened those posting in the comment section of the video to a cult. Perhaps your club is like a cult . . . of implacable haters . . . or obstreperous Democrats.

What I see in the clip is a POTUS doing what he should be doing anyway ..just like those who came before him have .. it's their duty to recognize such things .... he deserves no praise for doing what right to start with.

To borrow and sort of paraphrase Mark Antony's famous quote in Shakespear's JULIUS CAESAR, I neither praise Trump, nor do I wish to bury him. I only wish to add what is right and just to his story--small bits of reality to add to the exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. He doesn't deserve praise for doing what's right, but he should be given recognition that he does do right.

these events are seen by many as window dressing and hollow gestures.. Because of Trumps endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for the office in which he sits making such events appear insincere

Yes, those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.

Trump can only cry wolf so many times ... people have already stopped listening

Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.

Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.

Seems like he can’t get enough, probably has a scanner at home so he can go chase accidents.
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Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.



How do know your a conservative snowflake

1st example.. when think others exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist.

Translation Trump is a Victim !! seeing or hearing what he's done or said actually exist. unless your a Trump supporter then they don't actually exist.

2nd double down and blame others for endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt

those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.

Translation Trump is a Victim but he is really a nice guy ? Who's responsible for Trumps image ... Trump is but just another example of wanting it both ways

like this Thread is it an invading army or is it a caravan of people escaping hardships ... it's clearly not equally both ...

Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.

Seems like he can’t get enough, probably has a scanner at home so he can go chase accidents.
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seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.

Finding todays forecast requires more effort

seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.



interesting that whacky leftists spend MUCH more time digesting and regurgitating faux news and trump tweets than your average right wing extremist...the plan appears to be working:cool:

Originally Posted by detbuch View Post
Apparently, you haven't stopped listening. Barely a day goes by that you don't post one of his tweets.



seems you 2 dont read the news much Trumps outlandish tweets are front and center no searching required.

Finding todays forecast requires more effort
I like to be informed Wayne but I don’t read the news much,you are correct. I refuse to live in such a manner. Look at what you have become as a result of your obsession. Trump is in your head 24-7. It can not be healthy but that is your choice.
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https://youtu.be/a5BLdmRKZ2g
https://youtu.be/kRtqQk_O9dM
I could post one for every year

The tweets Trump writes himself are easily identifiable
The comments are interesting
You guys should be defending him there also

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I like to be informed Wayne but I don’t read the news much,you are correct. I refuse to live in such a manner. Look at what you have become as a result of your obsession. Trump is in your head 24-7. It can not be healthy but that is your choice.
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I am just trying to MAGA .. I could easily sit on the sidelines and say nothing ... but where is the honor that .. I have never been as motivated to push back against an administration my whole life .. I wish that wasn’t the case .. but I can’t find anything positive that counters the negatives he’s promotes day in day out
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Your pride and passion is on display on a daily basis. Kudos are deserved for dedication. Trump is sure to provide you with job security in this life mission you have assumed. But you have my sympathy regardless of the impact you surely make for future generations.
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How do know your a conservative snowflake


When you call me one. I don't care to use that word, or words like #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, Democrap, Trumpets, etc. But if it soothes your anger to do so, or you're just trying to be funny, go for it.

1st example.. when think others exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist.

Translation Trump is a Victim !! seeing or hearing what he's done or said actually exist. unless your a Trump supporter then they don't actually exist.

I have not claimed that Trump is a victim. I have rebutted things said about him. Your translation is not correct. But that is not unusual for you. Not everything you say about Trump is true. I don't rebut what is true. I try to refute that which I think is not true or is exaggerated or misleading.

For example, in a thread I started yesterday, the first response was that Trump is a misogynist. I made a general rebuttal. Then Pete F., who has said several times that Trump is a misogynist, posted an article that actually and convincingly contradicted that notion. As well, it repudiated other negative things about Trump that are reiterated on this forum and in the MSM.

So, yes, I do believe that many things said about Trump are not true, or are misleading or exaggerated. Whether the misrepresentation is intentional or not may depend on the opinion of whatever type of "snowflake" you are.

2nd double down and blame others for endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt

I don't "blame" you for your endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt. I just point it out. You know . . . that laser pointer bit you like.

those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.

Translation Trump is a Victim but he is really a nice guy ? Who's responsible for Trumps image ... Trump is but just another example of wanting it both ways

Again, your false victim meme. And how do you translate that I said Trump is a "really nice guy"? At best, that's merely a ridiculous exaggeration. Or, if we use your standard for calling some things Trump said lies, then what you said here could be considered a lie.

And I don't know what your "wanting it both ways" thing is about. I don't dare "translate" it.

like this Thread is it an invading army or is it a caravan of people escaping hardships ... it's clearly not equally both ...

A caravan of thousands of people intending to illegally cross a border can absolutely be considered an invasion. Invasions are not just done by armies. You can invade someone's privacy. You can invade my space. And it can be an invasion even if it is done by those fleeing hardships. The two things can clearly be "equally both."

And if your claiming that they are escaping hardships, that is not enough to justify asylum.

And in the two videos that I posted of reporters who actually mingled with the caravanners, they found that it was not mostly women and children, but estimated to be about 5% women and children and about 95% men. And that photo-ops were selected by having mostly women and children pose, giving the appearance that that's what constituted the caravan. But, of course, those reporters were just lying. Of course.

FYI

current us troops in Afghanistan

US: 14,000

on the border


The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.



Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.



400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.

and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion

12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter :btu:

FYI

current us troops in Afghanistan

US: 14,000

on the border


The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.



Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.



400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.

and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion

12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter :btu:

Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?

Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries.

Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?

Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries.

The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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This is a different caravan. Probably more asylum seekers.🤷🏽#^&♂️
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The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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Were told that there's thousands more still on the way. But they're not all in one batch. It would be good if this first batch found it difficult to get what they want. That might discourage more.

But if this is going to be a continuous problem, would it not be better if we do the stitch in time thing and seriously stop it now rather than always play politics and keep it going?

Were told that there's thousands more still on the way. But they're not all in one batch. It would be good if this first batch found it difficult to get what they want. That might discourage more.

But if this is going to be a continuous problem, would it not be better if we do the stitch in time thing and seriously stop it now rather than always play politics and keep it going?

Look, I’m no bigger a fan of illegal immigration than the next person, but asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants, they’re using a legal process to seek asylum in this country.

Until we say we’re not going to allow that process to continue as written, then I don’t see a problem with a caravan of people marching across Montreal never mind all of Central America to follow that process and escape whatever they’re trying to escape.

The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.
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The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.

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huh???

Look, I’m no bigger a fan of illegal immigration than the next person, but asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants, they’re using a legal process to seek asylum in this country.

Until we say we’re not going to allow that process to continue as written, then I don’t see a problem with a caravan of people marching across Montreal never mind all of Central America to follow that process and escape whatever they’re trying to escape.

The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.
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First, the legal process does not give the seekers the option to choose which country they wish to go. The legal process requires asylum seekers to apply for it in the first country whose border they cross. That would be Mexico. It would be up to Mexico if they qualify for asylum.

Second, seeking better economic conditions is not a legal requisite for asylum.

Most of the immigrants that have been interviewed while traveling in the caravan say they’re doing it to make a better life. But they have been coached on what to say when they get to the border. So they will not say what they’ve candidly admitted to interviewers while traveling. If they are properly and effectively vetted, and they should have documents proving who they are and from whence they came, it can be decided at that point if they qualify. In most instances, they probably won’t have proper documentation with them.

And they must present themselves at a proper port of entry. The notion that they can come in mass numbers and bull rush the border, and claim asylum if and when they're caught, is not part of the legal process.

In any case, they are already outside of the legal framework. So they are not following the legal process as written. We are not legally required to accept them. We can do so, but if we do accept a significant number of them, we just encourage the continuation of large numbers of them coming here for a better life at our expense, and illegally

First, the legal process does not give the seekers the option to choose which country they wish to go. The legal process requires asylum seekers to apply for it in the first country whose border they cross. That would be Mexico. It would be up to Mexico if they qualify for asylum.

[COLOR="Red"]Not true A person may request asylum in any country outside their own; there is no obligation for an individual to claim asylum in the first country they reach. the “first country of asylum” principle refers to the expectation that countries should accept asylum seekers fleeing their neighboring countries. In the European Union, /COLOR]

We are not legally required to accept them. again not true An asylum seeker is entitled to stay in the country of asylum and have their claim heard. Host governments cannot force asylum seekers to return to a country where they fear persecution. can do so, but if we do accept a significant number of them, we just encourage the continuation of large numbers of them coming here for a better life at our expense, and illegally another untrue statement

dont confuse talking points with the law

Again Wayne, you are uninformed.
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dont confuse talking points with the law

https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/refugees-must-seek-asylum-in-first-eu-country-reached-court-1.614521

https://cis.org/Cadman/Why-Shouldnt-Central-Americans-Have-Apply-Asylum-Mexico

https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/refugees-must-seek-asylum-in-first-eu-country-reached-court-1.614521

https://cis.org/Cadman/Why-Shouldnt-Central-Americans-Have-Apply-Asylum-Mexico
Now since it fits your argument, EU court decisions apply here
Wishful thinking perhaps
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Now since it fits your argument, EU court decisions apply here
Wishful thinking perhaps
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EU Court decisions have to fit the UN convention, ergo they can fit all the other parties to the convention.

EU Court decisions have to fit the UN convention, ergo they can fit all the other parties to the convention.

Are you claiming that for all cases?
Warning could be a trick question
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Are you claiming that for all cases?
Warning could be a trick question
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If you know the answer to your question, why ask it? Just inform me. I'm not Professor Irwin Corey.

The 5,800 troops who were rushed to the southwest border amid President Donald Trump’s pre-election warnings about a refugee caravan will start coming home as early as this week — just as some of those migrants are beginning to arrive.


What a surprise .... Trump supporters duped again .... and again they won't say a word

The 5,800 troops who were rushed to the southwest border amid President Donald Trump’s pre-election warnings about a refugee caravan will start coming home as early as this week — just as some of those migrants are beginning to arrive.


What a surprise .... Trump supporters duped again .... and again they won't say a word

a word

a word
I remember a time not that long ago when conservatives would go berserk if anyone disrespected the troops let along openly denegrate them. What happened to those people?
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I remember a time not that long ago when conservatives would go berserk if anyone disrespected the troops let along openly denegrate them. What happened to those people?
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all of those horrible things you've been saying about conservatives all these years must be true I guess:rotflmao:

I remember a time not that long ago when conservatives would go berserk if anyone disrespected the troops let along openly denegrate them. What happened to those people?
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So if you disrespect some, you disrespect all. I think there was a time not that long ago, on this forum, that you and Paul S went a little batty if "conservatives" employed that paradigm.

So if you disrespect some, you disrespect all. I think there was a time not that long ago, on this forum, that you and Paul S went a little batty if "conservatives" employed that paradigm.
Not sure I remember that but go for it.
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Not sure I remember that but go for it.
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It's in the archives. :btu:

The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-ysidro-border-crossing-closed-us-fires-tear-gas-as-migrants-rush-toward-border/ar-BBQ4PyS?ocid=spartanntp

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mexico-deporting-nearly-500-migrants-after-california-border-blitz/ar-BBQ5K1h?ocid=spartanntp

Better panic
The numbers are dropping
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
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Better panic
The numbers are dropping
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
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From your article:
"The increase in the number of people seeking asylum is part of a larger shift in the reasons people give for entering the U.S. at the southern border."

And:

"today, the strongest pull for people crossing the border without authorization is the desire to be with family in the U.S."

The numbers of "asylum" seekers has indeed risen. And the "larger shift" in reasons for it, as quoted above, is not a valid reason to grant them asylum.

From your article:
"The increase in the number of people seeking asylum is part of a larger shift in the reasons people give for entering the U.S. at the southern border."

And:

"today, the strongest pull for people crossing the border without authorization is the desire to be with family in the U.S."

The numbers of "asylum" seekers has indeed risen. And the "larger shift" in reasons for it, as quoted above, is not a valid reason to grant them asylum.
In your opinion
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Better panic
The numbers are dropping
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/622246815/unauthorized-immigration-in-three-graphs
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We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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Put yourself as a parent in this situation. If I see or hear of tear gas being used I pull back to protect my children and wait my turn to enter the U.S. legally. No one wants to see kids being tear gassed but Parents/guardians carry the first line of responsibility in this situation.

300,000 +/- people are caught and deported at the southern border.
Nobody has good figures on how many are not caught.
A wall might cost between 10 and 30 billion dollars, nobody knows for sure other than that Mexico isn't paying for it and the billions don't include maintenance.
Now a 40' ladder is less than $500 and you have almost 2000 miles of border.
Build a wall, I'll buy stock in Werner.
We need a new comprehensive immigration plan and to help the nations that people are fleeing so they don't have to, along with improved border security.
Subsistence farmers facing bad guys and multiple seasons of drought with no crops are leaving because they see no other alternative, it's will likely die or might possibly die for choices in their minds. What choice would you make?

Actually I believe a lot of the asylum seekers are small business owners, they’re not poor relatively speaking hence why they’re such a target of crime.
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This person would tell you this if you are thinking of coming to this country now.

I am a refugee living in the United States and I know what it means to escape death. Still, I warn others not to come – they won’t be safe or welcome here
Don’t come here. If you are afraid for your life and you have no place to go, don’t pick this country. It is not safe for you here any more.

If you try to cross our borders, people in military uniform called border patrol agents, will arrest you, throw you in a freezing cage and subject you to all kinds of abuses. These agents who don’t speak your language will sit you down and interrogate you. It won’t matter if you didn’t understand their questions, they will write whatever they want in dozens of forms, make you sign them, and use them against you later as they try to deport you.

You will tell them that you don’t understand the forms, but they won’t care. They will tell you that if you don’t sign them, they won’t let you go free. So you will sign them. But even after signing the forms, they will keep you caged.

Rotting food, abuses from your jailers, and how much you miss your family may make you beg to be deported. You know that your deportation will mean returning to violence and possible death, but when you realize that this country doesn’t think of you as a person, you may pick dignity and death over being caged and treated like an animal.

You might be lucky and be among the very few who are released from immigration jail and allowed to live in our country while your asylum application is pending. This won’t mean that your immigration case will be over though. Your immigration case will not be solved for years, and even though you have a case for staying in this country, the government will make you wait for years before you get a final answer.

While you wait for your case to be heard, you won’t be given any help. You will be on your own finding a job, learning English, and adjusting to this country. But you knew that before deciding to come. You are fighter, so that won’t be a problem for you. You will work long hours, find a place to lay your head, learn English, and survive. After a couple of years of hard work and sacrifices, you will feel that there is some hope for your future. Maybe, you will start believing that the American dream is attainable.

Then, something unexpected will happen. You will get sick or you will get very depressed. Maybe you will be sad because you miss your family. Because of how sick or sad you were, you will sleep in one day, miss a shift at work, and you will be fired. You will run out of money and while looking for jobs, one day you will jump the turnstile to get on a train for a job interview. To you, it was worth the risk, but you miscalculated.

You will get arrested and charged with a crime for the first time in your life. You will swear never to make a mistake again but it will be too late. This arrest will lead you back to an immigration jail similar to the one you were released from years ago. You will wait in an immigration detention center for months before you see a judge.

The day of your immigration hearing you will be wearing an orange jumpsuit and will be shackled. You will go in front of an immigration judge who will reprimand you for the mistake you committed and tell you don’t have the right to a bail hearing. You will remain in jail indefinitely while your deportation proceedings are pending.

Because you are poor, you probably won’t be able to afford a lawyer and you won’t be given one. You will have to represent yourself in one of the most complicated legal systems in the world and all in a language you likely don’t speak. The judge will tell you to bring evidence to prove the terrible things that happen to you in your home country. But you won’t be able to get it because you are detained and can’t afford phone calls or experts.

The day of your final hearing, months after you were detained, you will face a lawyer from the government who will push for your deportation. The judge, who works with the government attorney five days a week and has a good relationship with them, will listen to them over you and order your deportation.

But let’s say you don’t get deported. If for some reason, and against all the odds, you find an immigration judge that listens to your story and understands your life is at risk if you return to your country, you will be granted permission to stay here. Then, you finally may feel that something good came your way.

That feeling will go away though. You will realize that having the ability to legally work and live in this country does not mean all your problems are solved.

But even if everything works out and you are never arrested, abused, murdered, or deported, you will never feel fully welcome here. No matter how much you work, how many sacrifices you make, the contributions you made to our country and the perfect English you have, you will always feel like an undesirable guest. Everybody in our government will make sure to let you know that you are not wanted here.

I know you have heard so many wonderful things about this place. I am sure that you heard that we were a “nation of immigrants,” correct? Well, that’s a thing of the past. We even changed the mission of the government agency handling asylum applications so it is clear to you. We are now “committed to protecting Americans, securing the homeland, and honoring our values.” What values, you ask? Well, whatever we pick to justify that you are not welcome here.

What is that? You still want to come?

I know. I know you will come because I am a refugee living in the United States and I know what it means to escape death. I am so ashamed that we will do this to you and I am angry because my new country has betrayed me and every other person who believed in it. This place is not what it used to be. Just know that.

Luis Mancheno is an immigration attorney in New York. He was granted asylum in the United States in 2009 after fleeing from his native Ecuador

This person would tell you this if you are thinking of coming to this country now.

I am angry because my new country has betrayed me and every other person who believed in it. This place is not what it used to be. Just know that.

Luis Mancheno is an immigration attorney in New York. He was granted asylum in the United States in 2009 after fleeing from his native Ecuador

Is this guy some expert on what this country used to be? Did it used to be the alternative to living in Ecuador? What is he doing to change Ecuador? Does he believe that half of Ecuador, or more, should come here and make this country what it used to be? Will that make Ecuador a better country?

It seems, if we're to believe the narrative, that the majority of Central Americans are oppressed, in danger of death, impoverished, and at the mercy of criminals. And this guy feels they must need to come to the U.S. and help America be what it used to be.

He is not grateful for being here as a successful (I presume) attorney, but feels that he has been betrayed by his new country. And that every other person who believed in it has also been betrayed. It sounds like he would be miserable wherever he lived unless the place was a reflection of what he believed--like he is the center of the universe, and it must listen to him.

We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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are we targeting kids for tear gas? or using tear gas when rocks are thrown at border patrol agents, which has tragic collateral damage? maybe the parents of these kids, should
not place their
kids near people throwing rocks at US law enforcement.

So you see no unusual
concerns with violence in Chicago, but you have concerns with responding when people throw rocks at american law enforcement officials. at least, that response bothers you, when the POTUS is a loathsome republican.

liberal =good, conservative=bad, no exceptions. Shocker.
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Is this guy some expert on what this country used to be? Did it used to be the alternative to living in Ecuador? What is he doing to change Ecuador? Does he believe that half of Ecuador, or more, should come here and make this country what it used to be? Will that make Ecuador a better country?

You've got a lot of questions for someone who only wants answers. He has an opinion on how America is now to Hispanic immigrants and a broken belief in what some think America was, I would think you would be happy with his viewpoint of Trump's America

It seems, if we're to believe the narrative, that the majority of Central Americans are oppressed, in danger of death, impoverished, and at the mercy of criminals. And this guy feels they must need to come to the U.S. and help America be what it used to be.

Where did he say that in any manner, shape or form?

He is not grateful for being here as a successful (I presume) attorney, but feels that he has been betrayed by his new country. And that every other person who believed in it has also been betrayed. It sounds like he would be miserable wherever he lived unless the place was a reflection of what he believed--like he is the center of the universe, and it must listen to him.

Chévere, we all have bad days, some would say the same about you and change.

We can still tear gas the kids though right?
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when the previous administration used pepper spray at the border, did you express concern? or is it only problematic to you, when the potus is a republican?

how about we have one set of rules for what’s acceptable and what’s not, and we apply those rules consistently, regardless of the party of the potus? What do you say?

When obama does it, it’s worthy of the nobel peace prize.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/11/25/flashback-border-patrol-agents-used-pepper-spray-on-rock-throwing-migrants-rushing-the-border-in-2013/
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Actually I believe a lot of the asylum seekers are Crack dealers, they’re not poor relatively speaking hence why they’re such a target of crime.
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I would not be shocked, you should adopt one.
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Pete F QUOTE:
You've got a lot of questions for someone who only wants answers.

I gave some possible answers at the latter end of the post.

He has an opinion on how America is now to Hispanic immigrants and a broken belief in what some think America was, I would think you would be happy with his viewpoint of Trump's America

I perfectly understood what his ethnically apologist opinion is. And his viewpoint of Trump's America, if it is actually that, is too limited in its scope and too self-centered to do much but beg for sympathy.

"It seems, if we're to believe the narrative, that the majority of Central Americans are oppressed, in danger of death, impoverished, and at the mercy of criminals. And this guy feels they must need to come to the U.S. and help America be what it used to be. "

Where did he say that in any manner, shape or form?

In the manner, shape and form of his whole essay.

"He is not grateful for being here as a successful (I presume) attorney, but feels that he has been betrayed by his new country. And that every other person who believed in it has also been betrayed. It sounds like he would be miserable wherever he lived unless the place was a reflection of what he believed--like he is the center of the universe, and it must listen to him."
Chévere, we all have bad days, some would say the same about you and change.[QUOTE/]

I have had bad days. I presume you also had them. I'm not aware of the bad days that change has had.

Migrant invaders throw rocks at border agents to prove they are serious about asylum?
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Migrant invaders throw rocks at border agents to prove they are serious about asylum?
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That's obviously fake news. The "migrants" are mostly women and children. Peaceful folk trying to escape violence. Women and children escaping violence would not throw rocks at other people.

And there aren't that many of them. Most have gone back. And they won't be arriving for awhile yet. It takes months to travel all that way on foot. So those probably aren't the migrants. Probably some local hooligans trying to make Trump look bad.

Actually I believe a lot of the asylum seekers are small business owners, they’re not poor relatively speaking hence why they’re such a target of crime.
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I wonder who is running their small businesses while they are off seeking asylum?

when the previous administration used pepper spray at the border, did you express concern? or is it only problematic to you, when the potus is a republican?

how about we have one set of rules for what’s acceptable and what’s not, and we apply those rules consistently, regardless of the party of the potus? What do you say?

When obama does it, it’s worthy of the nobel peace prize.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/11/25/flashback-border-patrol-agents-used-pepper-spray-on-rock-throwing-migrants-rushing-the-border-in-2013/
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once again you cant see the forest through the Trees

and justify it with with more whataboutism .. While completely ignoring how Trump has set the table and he has given what they call His commander's intent


The White House has authorized active-duty military troops stationed along the southwest border to use lethal force

Trump himself also suggested that the US troops US-Mexico border could use deadly force and fire on someone in the migrant caravan if the person threw rocks or stones at them.

I have no issue using tear gas to disperse any Mob after a superbowl or on the border but I assure you obama never restricted border agent rules of engagement.. nor did he personally give them the green light like Trumps has .. but it seems those on the right have adopted the everyone's done it... argument ....

once again you cant see the forest through the Trees

and justify it with with more whataboutism .. While completely ignoring how Trump has set the table and he has given what they call His commander's intent


The White House has authorized active-duty military troops stationed along the southwest border to use lethal force

Trump himself also suggested that the US troops US-Mexico border could use deadly force and fire on someone in the migrant caravan if the person threw rocks or stones at them.

I have no issue using tear gas to disperse any Mob after a superbowl or on the border but I assure you obama never restricted border agent rules of engagement.. nor did he personally give them the green light like Trumps has .. but it seems those on the right have adopted the everyone's done it... argument ....

It cracks me up, that pointing out obvious hypocrisy, is a character flaw of mine ( whataboutism), rather than a character flaw of
the hypocrites.

WDMSO, does it bother you that the obama administration also did this? Yes or
no?

I’d just like a little consistency, that’s all. If that makes me guilty of whataboutism, i could care less.

Rocks were thrown, and as far as i know, no shots were fired despite Trumps order that they kill everybody.

I don’t have a huge issue with shooting people who throw rocks at people we send to dangerous places. there’s an easy way to avoid getting shot to death - don’t throw rocks. How hard is that?
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It cracks me up, that pointing out obvious hypocrisy, is a character flaw of mine ( whataboutism), rather than a character flaw of
the hypocrites.

WDMSO, does it bother you that the obama administration also did this? Yes or
no?

I’d just like a little consistency, that’s all. If that makes me guilty of whataboutism, i could care less.

Rocks were thrown, and as far as i know, no shots were fired despite Trumps order that they kill everybody.

I don’t have a huge issue with shooting people who throw rocks at people we send to dangerous places. there’s an easy way to avoid getting shot to death - don’t throw rocks. How hard is that?
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1st you don't care about hypocrisy you just use it in an attempt to defend Trump and his actions ,,, trying to suggest both are the same it's a tactic used by the right daily

and not having an issue with shooting people who throw rocks goes along way in showing your lack of character .

and not having an issue with shooting people who throw rocks goes along way in showing your lack of character .

Maybe you want to take that up with Micheal Chesna's Widow?

Maybe you want to take that up with Micheal Chesna's Widow?
Ummmmm, not really.
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and not having an issue with shooting people who throw rocks goes along way in showing your lack of character .

Lack of character? You want to talk about lack of character? People who throw rocks at other people who are not doing anything to them don't show the character of anyone I want coming here.

Those folks are not asylum seekers. Never were assylum seekers. This is fake news being spoon fed to willing snowflakes. Open wide dummies.
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Maybe you want to take that up with Micheal Chesna's Widow?

another example of the right using a fallen officer who died doing his job to support the use of deadly force on people who throw rocks ..

making the suggestion these events are the same ....

Lack of character? You want to talk about lack of character? People who throw rocks at other people who are not doing anything to them don't show the character of anyone I want coming here.

So you either support the use of deadly force on all people in all events where things are thrown at police or you do not it's not a hard choice .

Or do you support this simply because of who they are are and where they are from

its sad that our troops in Afghanistan wouldn't shoot people who throw rocks in a combat zone .. yet some American here see no issue with the idea ... must be that MAGA thing :huh:

Those folks are not asylum seekers. Never were assylum seekers. This is fake news being spoon fed to willing snowflakes. Open wide dummies.
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what's the saying

one or a few bad apple spoils the (whole) barrel

its telling to see the right is focused on the Bad ombre

the left is focused on the assylum seekers


but anything that does not support the right view is considered Fake news .... everytime with any story any time of year ...

whos being spoon fed ? Open wide dummies. its you :wave:

what's the saying

one or a few bad apple spoils the (whole) barrel



Michael Jackson would be very disappointed in you :btu:

Those folks are not asylum seekers. Never were assylum seekers. This is fake news being spoon fed to willing snowflakes. Open wide dummies.
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I listened to NPR on the road the other day repeatedly state that "peaceful" migrants were "peacefully" gathering at the border when American Border Patrol members began shooting canisters of tear gas at their babies and children.

this must be what happened....:hihi:

dumber than trump democrats......

"Hawaii senator Brian Schatz wondered on Twitter if the use of tear gas violated the Chemical Weapons Convention (the answer is an emphatic “no,” and he deleted the tweet). Representative Barbara Lee of California described the gassing of “women and children” as an atrocity and called for U.N. inspectors. Progressive darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compared the migrants to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany."

dumber than trump democrats......

"Hawaii senator Brian Schatz wondered on Twitter if the use of tear gas violated the Chemical Weapons Convention (the answer is an emphatic “no,” and he deleted the tweet). Representative Barbara Lee of California described the gassing of “women and children” as an atrocity and called for U.N. inspectors. Progressive darling Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compared the migrants to Jews fleeing Nazi Germany."

Don't forget Alyssa Milano, she's become the defacto spokesperson for....well.....anything that bothers people.

Give me your tired,your poor and your rock throwers.
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another example of the right

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Every time you hit the keyboard gives me more insight into why you expect the government to take care of people.

But when his fearless leader decided to burn Branch Davidians in Waco it was business as usual. Short memories for the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. This has nothing to do with asylum,never did. Just gives the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s another reason to bash Trump for something they have given their own side a pass for. Revisionist history lessons given by the sheep dressed up as donkeys.
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This has nothing to do with asylum,never did.
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You’re correct here. This is simply about Trump using bigotry and fear to rile up the base by bringing out the worst in some people. He’s just using the easiest target he can find.
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It is actually Trump just doing what he said he would do. This is nothing new. Give props where due,the guy has the courage to do what is right for our safety. If these folks throw rocks at our border agents then what type of neighbors would they be? I find it hard to believe this is newsworthy.
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You’re correct here. This is simply about Trump using bigotry and fear to rile up the base by bringing out the worst in some people. He’s just using the easiest target he can find.
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Maybe the vile republicans staged the rock throwing to make their point.🙂
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It is actually Trump just doing what he said he would do. This is nothing new. Give props where due,the guy has the courage to do what is right for our safety. If these folks throw rocks at our border agents then what type of neighbors would they be? I find it hard to believe this is newsworthy.
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Please, I’ve seen worse at an Iowa State party and these were college students not desperate asylum seekers.

This immigration crisis is a fabrication to get votes and isn’t going to lead to any meaningful reform. It seeems to have caught your fancy though.
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This is simply about Trump using bigotry and fear to rile up the base by bringing out the worst in some people.
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So you blame Trump for some people throwing rocks?

I see

Point out one actual bonafide asylum seeker in that caravan Spence

Rock throwing people are awful, how dare anyone protest anything.
These guys must have been a bunch of criminal liberals, they certainly were in some peoples eyes.
https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/boston-massacre

So you either support the use of deadly force on all people in all events where things are thrown at police or you do not it's not a hard choice .

Or do you support this simply because of who they are are and where they are from

No, it is a hard (as in difficult) choice. It is a hard choice where in certain situations events can rise to the use of lethal force. Hopefully before that threshold is reached, non-lethal force can be substituted. There are vetted policies and procedures as to when that force can be applied - you do know this, right?

its sad that our troops in Afghanistan wouldn't shoot people who throw rocks in a combat zone .. yet some American here see no issue with the idea ... must be that MAGA thing :huh:

And I would expect the same restraint in the unlikely event this happened along the border for multiple reasons. First, restraint, they are (mostly) professional. Second, because, as you well aware, the Active Duty Army is Constitutionally Limited to what they can do along the border, and that they are in a support function.

Please, I’ve seen worse at an Iowa State party and these were college students not desperate asylum seekers.

This immigration crisis is a fabrication to get votes and isn’t going to lead to any meaningful reform. It seeems to have caught your fancy though.
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So,yes college is crazy and out of control sometimes. This is not what I would call behavior that is going to produce the golden ticket Jeff. If they are indeed desperate then it’s a shame they couldn’t find the clarity to be on their best behavior. Do you want to live next to folks who stone whomever does not give them satisfaction? Your judgement seems clouded Jeff. Reform is not the goal so I am not sure what you mean by that. The real goal is keeping borders secure which is something we can all agree is a good thing.
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Rock throwing people are awful, how dare anyone protest anything.
These guys must have been a bunch of criminal liberals, they certainly were in some peoples eyes.
https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/boston-massacre

So you are trying to draw a comparison simply because of rocks being used? Please tell me you are not that stupid.
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Please, I’ve seen worse at an Iowa State party and these were college students not desperate asylum seekers.

This immigration crisis is a fabrication to get votes and isn’t going to lead to any meaningful reform. It seeems to have caught your fancy though.
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it’s not a fake crisis. it might seem that way in new england where we don’t live amongst the illegal aliens.

the democrats want future voters, that’s what this is. If Mexican immigrants ever start voting republican, watch how fast the liberals change their tune, they’d ship every last one of these people to the southern tip of Tierra
Del Fuego.

Spence whats ‘bigoted’ exactly, about insisting that immigrants follow the rules? Do you tell your kids to cut lines when it’s convenient for them?
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it’s not a fake crisis. it might seem that way in new england where we don’t live amongst the illegal aliens.
It's totally a fake crisis Jim, border apprehensions are down more than 5 times what they were in 2000, the US based population of undocumented immigrants is estimated to have declined in the last decade. We still need comprehensive reform but this is exactly the wrong way to go about it.

the democrats want future voters, that’s what this is. If Mexican immigrants ever start voting republican, watch how fast the liberals change their tune, they’d ship every last one of these people to the southern tip of Tierra
Del Fuego.
This is perhaps one of the dumbest talking points out there. To apply for citizenship you have to have a green card for 5 years, which you're not going to get if you can't demonstrate you entered the US legally.

Even for those granted permanent asylum you still have to wait years to have your case heard, then if it's approved wait another year to get a green card and then 5 more before you can apply for citizenship.

Nobody is doing this to gain a handful of voters.

Spence whats ‘bigoted’ exactly, about insisting that immigrants follow the rules? Do you tell your kids to cut lines when it’s convenient for them?
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The Honduran refugees aren't trying to cut in line, they're seeking asylum which is perfectly legal. Many of them likely won't get it. If you can't understand the bigotry in the whole thing I'm not going to be able to help you.

Spence, not just letting in a huge number of un-vetted people who have shown a propensity at least of trespassing and destroying property, is “exactly the wrong way to go about it”?
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Maybe you want to take that up with Micheal Chesna's Widow?

So you are trying to draw a comparison simply because of rocks being used? Please tell me you are not that stupid.
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I'm not the only one.
People have thrown rocks forever.

I'm not the only one.
People have thrown rocks forever.

Common ground I guess🤪
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Common ground I guess🤪
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If he admits he's stupid. I'll gladly take one for the team :hihi:

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Lack of character? You want to talk about lack of character? People who throw rocks at other people who are not doing anything to them don't show the character of anyone I want coming here.

So you either support the use of deadly force on all people in all events where things are thrown at police or you do not it's not a hard choice .

It would be helpful if you actually read the posts you respond to. I said nothing about deadly force. Although, I suppose, a well placed rock could kill someone. But, because it was a rock, not a gun, I'm guessing you wouldn't consider it deadly force. And I didn't say anything about making a choice, hard or easy.

Maybe you were talking to somebody else? Or maybe you merely didn't have a clear idea, a cogent thought, a shred of awareness, about what you were saying.

Or do you support this simply because of who they are are and where they are from

Again, where do you get that I support "this" or anything else? Again, pay attention. Read the actual words before your eyes, not the pre-conceived ones floating in your skull, waiting to pounce them out at whoever crosses your path.

Actually, I did make an implication about "who they are".

But not about where they are from. Is that another ready made slander lurking in your "world view" to blindly hurl at someone who has said nothing about ethnicity? At someone whom you have no knowledge about where he stands on the matter? Is that a sort of finisher, a coup de grâce to convincingly prove the merit of your argument and the ugly bias of your opponent? If so, it is a particularly deceitful and disgusting tactic to use in a civilized discussion.

As to "who they are," I clearly and specifically said "People who throw rocks at other people who are not doing anything to them". And about them that they "don't show the character of anyone I want coming here."

Now if you want to comment on what I actually said, that might be of interest.


its sad that our troops in Afghanistan wouldn't shoot people who throw rocks in a combat zone .. yet some American here see no issue with the idea ... must be that MAGA thing :huh:

Are you're equating the border situation to a combat zone? That implies that the "caravan" is more of a forceful attempt to enter the U.S. (invasion?) rather than a peaceful attempt, by mostly innocent women and children who are accompanied by some men.

But when his fearless leader decided to burn Branch Davidians in Waco it was business as usual. Short memories for the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s. This has nothing to do with asylum,never did. Just gives the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s another reason to bash Trump for something they have given their own side a pass for. Revisionist history lessons given by the sheep dressed up as donkeys.
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again the facts dont support you

Republicans had hinted that they might unearth secret contacts between Mr. Clinton and officials like Mr. Hubbell, who played a role in the decision to attack the compound. But a panel of current and former officials of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Justice Department who were questioned today gave them no such ammunition.

"I did not talk to the President about Waco prior to the 19th," Mr. Hubbell said, referring to April 19, 1993, when Federal law-enforcement officers pumped tear gas into the compound in an effort to end a 51-day siege against the Davidians.

another attempt at whataboutism why am I not surprised

its not about the use of tear gas the facts clearly show Trump supporting the use of deadly force against people who throw rocks

Originally Posted by detbuch
Lack of character? You want to talk about lack of character? People who throw rocks at other people who are not doing anything to them don't show the character of anyone I want coming here.



Are you're equating the border situation to a combat zone? That implies that the "caravan" is more of a forceful attempt to enter the U.S. (invasion?) rather than a peaceful attempt, by mostly innocent women and children who are accompanied by some men.



clearly the opposite.. and if you cant see the difference I cant help you

No, it is a hard (as in difficult) choice. It is a hard choice where in certain situations events can rise to the use of lethal force. Hopefully before that threshold is reached, non-lethal force can be substituted. There are vetted policies and procedures as to when that force can be applied - you do know this, right?



And I would expect the same restraint in the unlikely event this happened along the border for multiple reasons. First, restraint, they are (mostly) professional. Second, because, as you well aware, the Active Duty Army is Constitutionally Limited to what they can do along the border, and that they are in a support function.

I know all about use of force policys civilian and military

My issue is and always has is you have a sitting POTUS giving his approval to use deadly force against people who throw rocks ... another example of his authoritarian mindset .. who doesn't care about those policys .. he sees them as obstacles

clearly the opposite.. and if you cant see the difference I cant help you

You're the one that brought up "combat zone" in relation to the situation at the border. Maybe you can be more clear how you compare the border thing with an Afghan "combat zone."

Trump said lethal force was acceptable IF NECESSARY. I don't believe he said it was OK just because people were throwing rocks. Did our troops shoot people in Afghanistan IF IT WAS NECESSARY?

Apparently, Mattis has it under his control. I think he knows what he is doing.

The memo written by Chief of Staff Kelly (not Trump) states that troops may "perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary," if there is "credible evidence and intelligence," including "a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention, and cursory search."

Beware of fake news.

leftist narrative "facts" train must not be derailed ...whooo...whooo

I love his passion but no,the facts don’t support him.
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Trump said lethal force was acceptable IF NECESSARY. I don't believe he said it was OK just because people were throwing rocks. Did our troops shoot people in Afghanistan IF IT WAS NECESSARY?

Apparently, Mattis has it under his control. I think he knows what he is doing.

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Well rocks were thrown, and no one was shot. So it would appear Trump didn't give a direct order.

You're the one that brought up "combat zone" in relation to the situation at the border. Maybe you can be more clear how you compare the border thing with an Afghan "combat zone."

Trump said lethal force was acceptable IF NECESSARY. I don't believe he said it was OK just because people were throwing rocks. Did our troops shoot people in Afghanistan IF IT WAS NECESSARY?

Apparently, Mattis has it under his control. I think he knows what he is doing.

The memo written by Chief of Staff Kelly (not Trump) states that troops may "perform those military protective activities that the Secretary of Defense determines are reasonably necessary," if there is "credible evidence and intelligence," including "a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary), crowd control, temporary detention, and cursory search."

Beware of fake news.

Consider it a rifle," trump said. "When they throw rocks like they did at the Mexico military police, consider it a rifle."

Sure he walked it back but it’s a full time job for his staff but that’s really the point
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wait....the left considers words ..."weapons"...but rocks aren't?

wait....the left considers words ..."weapons"...but rocks aren't?

Absolutely. The left weaponizes words by twisting them, or redefining them, to mean things that weaken and destroy their enemies. And they'll leave out words which also changes the meaning of what is said. Such as leaving out specific portrayals and delineations such as "if necessary" or:

“I will tell you this, anybody throwing stones, rocks, like they did to Mexico and the Mexican military, Mexican police, where they badly hurt police and soldiers of Mexico, we will consider that a firearm,” Trump said. “Because there’s not much difference. When you get hit in the face with a rock, which as you know, that was very violent a few days ago. Very, very violent.”

And it is especially easy to use Trump's words against him because he compresses larger ideas into syntax too narrow to express what he totally means. That habit may be accentuated by resorting so much to tweets which require smaller messages. He often has to explain later what he meant.

At any rate, the policy in place re use of force more fully explains what Trump didn't. And I suspect that Trump critics know this, but will continue their tactic anyway. WDMSO sort of admits that when he says "Sure he walked it back but it’s a full time job for his staff but that’s really the point." Isn't it necessary for a presidential staff to be "full time"? And he didn't say, to begin with, that such was really the point. He just wanted to paint Trump out to be some monster.

wait....the left considers words ..."weapons"...but rocks aren't?

Funny
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